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BS: joining the masons

GUEST,undecided 02 Feb 06 - 08:52 AM
Paul Burke 02 Feb 06 - 09:16 AM
Paco Rabanne 02 Feb 06 - 09:18 AM
number 6 02 Feb 06 - 09:36 AM
GUEST 02 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM
Paco Rabanne 02 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM
John MacKenzie 02 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM
GUEST,guest 02 Feb 06 - 10:13 AM
katlaughing 02 Feb 06 - 10:39 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 02 Feb 06 - 10:40 AM
Ron Davies 02 Feb 06 - 11:14 AM
number 6 02 Feb 06 - 11:47 AM
manitas_at_work 02 Feb 06 - 11:49 AM
John MacKenzie 02 Feb 06 - 12:06 PM
number 6 02 Feb 06 - 12:17 PM
number 6 02 Feb 06 - 12:18 PM
jacqui.c 02 Feb 06 - 01:04 PM
Georgiansilver 02 Feb 06 - 01:13 PM
number 6 02 Feb 06 - 02:10 PM
Peace 02 Feb 06 - 02:33 PM
Gervase 02 Feb 06 - 02:41 PM
mack/misophist 02 Feb 06 - 02:41 PM
Alan Day 02 Feb 06 - 02:57 PM
tarheel 02 Feb 06 - 03:20 PM
Peace 02 Feb 06 - 04:13 PM
Cluin 02 Feb 06 - 04:15 PM
number 6 02 Feb 06 - 04:51 PM
Cluin 02 Feb 06 - 05:02 PM
GUEST,sorefingers 02 Feb 06 - 07:01 PM
kendall 02 Feb 06 - 10:57 PM
katlaughing 02 Feb 06 - 11:11 PM
John MacKenzie 03 Feb 06 - 03:39 AM
GUEST,Boab 03 Feb 06 - 03:59 AM
Big Al Whittle 03 Feb 06 - 06:19 AM
GUEST,Joe Soap 03 Feb 06 - 07:12 AM
GUEST 03 Feb 06 - 08:52 AM
number 6 03 Feb 06 - 08:56 AM
frogprince 03 Feb 06 - 10:39 AM
Bonecruncher 04 Feb 06 - 01:15 AM
Les in Chorlton 04 Feb 06 - 04:03 AM
Teribus 04 Feb 06 - 05:26 AM
Dave Hanson 04 Feb 06 - 05:29 AM
Alan Day 04 Feb 06 - 08:35 AM
Les in Chorlton 04 Feb 06 - 12:39 PM
GUEST,sorefingers 04 Feb 06 - 12:59 PM
Les in Chorlton 04 Feb 06 - 01:16 PM
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Subject: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST,undecided
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 08:52 AM

Hello there - I was wondering if I could ask the wisdom of mudcaters; I was asked if I would like to join the freemasons in the uk; should I accept; what are the pros & conc; most of my friends are anti; any pros out there; what should I do?


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Paul Burke
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 09:16 AM

If you're a crawler, join. In return for a bit of posey ceremony, you get the opportunity to network with anyone that matters in your area.

If you aren't into sucking up to rich bastards, stay honest.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 09:18 AM

Join. It's an honour to be asked. Then network away! Worked for me!


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 09:36 AM

A Freemason cannot solicit membership inot the fraternity .... Masons cannot go and ask if you want to join.

You have to ask one, to become one.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM

If you want to be a back scratching bumlicker then fire away otherwise join the rest of humanity who can live without the need of a secret handshake.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM

True number 6, that is the theory, but in the real world it often happens the other way around.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM

I was offered and turned it down, I am a member of the Groucho Marx school on this one.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 10:13 AM

My brother-inlaw joined them and He is a total ass licking egomaniac asshole, and He usually hangs around only those folks who will boost his ego for his own gratification. In reality he is an insecure wimp, but I guess belonging to an exclusive club like this makes him feel more important than the average person who is smarter and more ethical than He is.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 10:39 AM

Guest, undecided,

If you do a search using "freemasons" you will find many posts by Mudcatters who are either members or have known members. Lots of helpful advice, and, of course, naysayers.

My uncle was one and he was one of the most honest, kindest men to ever walk this earth. My sisters and I all became members of Job's Daughters, under his aegis.

There is a lot of truth and beauty in the rituals, etc. and it does not have to be about the connections, though why wouldn't one want those, too? Those of like mind often support one another through business, aid and assistance, etc.

Listen to what you heart says and go from there...


all the best,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 10:40 AM

I was once asked to become a mason. I turned the offer down. Standing on a scaffold in the hot sun lifting heavy bricks and concrete blocks just isn't my cup of tea.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 11:14 AM

I've heard that they do a lot of good charitable work--as well as probably being the inspiration for Mozart's "Magic Flute" (obviously just the libretto).


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 11:47 AM

I am a Freemason, though I haven't been to lodge in 8 years, I'm certainly not a crawler, nor back scratching bumlicker. Niether was Amadaeus Mozart (yes the magic flute).. of course there are a few that meet those characteristics I'm sure ... but those qualities have nothing in common with Masonry. Those qualities are unfortuantely found in many humans.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 11:49 AM

You could just join a Morris team! The same sort of networking and charitable work is there. You may have to wear your costume in public but there's no initiation rites or terrible oaths and it's a whole lot cheaper!


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 12:06 PM

And if you're a Catholic you can still take communion if you're a Morris Dancer.
G ☺


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 12:17 PM

You can become a Freemason if your are Catholic, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim or whatever your religion is ... I knew this was coming.

The myth came about of Freemasons forbidding Catholics was due to the Catholic church itself ... The Catholic church forbids Catholics from becoming a Mason ... why, because FreeMasonry has been open to all religeons. A criteria in becoming a Freemason is that you beleive in s supreme being albeit God, Yahweh, Mohammid or whatever.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 12:18 PM

My appologies Giok ... I gotcha there ... good one!

G

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 01:04 PM

Depends why you want to join and what you think the benefit will be to you.

My ex was invited to join - to my knowledge Freemasons do not, in general, advertise their membership so it could be difficult to ask to join, at least in the UK.

It basically just seems to be another club, but with more secrecy than normal. They do do charitable works - we asked them to supply a computer to a family with a chronically sick child and they were able to do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 01:13 PM

Please check out this website.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 02:10 PM

Jacqui ... Britain appears to be more secretive about Freemasonary than over here in Canada and the U.S. ... some Freemasons here have Masonic Symbols on their car ... in Toronto it is very comon to see bumper stickers and licence plate holders advertising "ask one to become one" ... Freemasons are much more open in the U.S. and canada.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 02:33 PM

Have been asked three times. Said thanks and no three times. I'm with Giok and Groucho on this. If I needed ceremonies I'd still belong to a church.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 02:41 PM

Generally a harmless bunch - the link from Georgiansilver above is a complete load of lunatic paranoid bunkum, by the way - and greatly into good works in the very dullest, Round Table and Rotarian sense.
Surely you'd have more fun playing music of an evening rather than trotting along to a mutual back-scratching session with a bunch of lower middle-class white men.
I've been asked a few times, but would rather go to the pub with friends, play music, shoot the breeze or whatever. But for those that have trouble getting a social life together and want some ready-made friends, maybe masonry's the answer.
If it is the answer, it must have been a very dull question, though!


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: mack/misophist
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 02:41 PM

About Catholics and Masons: my aunt, a devout Catholic, told me my father was excommunicated because he wore his Masonic apron to mass. She says that's because Mason's have 'secrets' they can't talk about in confession. Hence a Mason's confession is considered incomplete so he can't take communion. Makes sense to me, even though I'm neither.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Alan Day
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 02:57 PM

I am a Mason and in fact I am the Organist, but play on my concertina.
I have been a member now for over twenty five years,during this time I have never received a favour or given one.If you are interested in
joining you ask ,you should not be asked to join.The Freemasons do a lot of good charity work and most Hospices are supported by this organisation.
My greetings to fellow members on this site.
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: tarheel
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 03:20 PM

i am a Freemason too,Alan...i am so good at it that i can look at folks in a crowd and tell who are masons and who are not...if you are a Freemason then you know how to do that too...
my grandfather was a Freemason and use to tell me that when he rode the train that he would watch the folks at the next station and know who were Freemason at the depot before he got off the train...
greetings to you too,Al and to the other members in here!
tar...


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:13 PM

And there is the 'proof positive' as to why I would never be a freemason.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:15 PM

Whooooooooo... spooky stuff, kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:51 PM

Oh come on Peace ... you'd look cute in one of those aprons !

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 05:02 PM

From the tongue-firmly-crammed-in-cheek department:

The Stonecutter's Song
(from The Simpsons)

Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do... We do!

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do... We do!

Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do... We do!

Who robs the cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do... We do!


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 07:01 PM

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

Says all there is to say about such things! And to think some people belive the US was founded by Masons! Phaaaaaaatttttt


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: kendall
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 10:57 PM

Only a handful of Presidents have not been Masons.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 11:11 PM

Thomas Jefferson was very involved in the early days of Rosicrucians in America; of course, we call ourselves "walking questions marks" being quite capable of thinking for ourselves.

tarheel, you have got to be the most ultra-conservative and contentious Mason I've ever known of...


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 03:39 AM

Ah Kendall I would join too if I was looking for more votes, and of course I would not keep it too quiet that I had done so.
"Hello Mr Rich possible party donor, let me squeeze the knuckle of your hand!"
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 03:59 AM

---And I'd share a word, Alan and tarheel----


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 06:19 AM

ask yourself, did the masons do Mozart any good?

not one of them got him a gig when he was hard up.

when he was pissed he wrote that bloody tune about the apron that fiddle players are terminally addicted to.

no wonder Salieri did him in.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST,Joe Soap
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 07:12 AM

I've been a Freemason for over twenty years in the UK, and like others here have experienced a wide variety of different types. It IS a tenet of the society that members should not seek to exploit their membership for gain and that too has been my experience. But folks do like to deal with like folks whether it's the local Morris team, golf club, Am Dram society where they meet or not.
As has been said above, hman nature is the issue and there is good and bad inn all.
Freemasons in this country DO give vast amounts of money (as well as time) to charities - non-masonic ones and international disaster relief funds too.
For some members it is merely a dining club. For others who take the teachings and allegorical rituals seriously it adds a philosophical and moral dimension which many find lacking in modern life. Others enjoy being on committees and organising events.
For me, one of the best things was typified by the time when I visited another lodge and at the dinner afterwards sat and talked with 4 others...one a High Court Judge, one a window cleaner, one a business executive, one a nurse.
There are few opportunities where one may get to meet people from such diverse backgrounds - and we all benefitted from each other's perspectives on life.
I've also seen younger men transformed over a number of years, growing in confidence as they take on more Masonic work. People who could never have imagined themselves public speaking, organising events and so on.They had clearly grown in confidence, understanding and mutual respect.
I have no hesitation in recommending you join.
Joe Soap


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 08:52 AM

I think you should join. Then you could rise above that bunch of "lower middle class white men". Maybe even become as special as Gervase.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 08:56 AM

Well said Joe Soap.

Unfortuantely, as is evident in the GUEST's post above, ignorance prevails here in the Mudcat.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 10:39 AM

Speaking from the U.S.: I'm not a mason, and personally have never gotten interested in becoming one. Of the signers of our Declaration of Independence, one or two may not have been masons; it doesn't seem to have done to much harm. My father-in-law, and at least two close friends and a number of our broader circle, are masons. None of those I know at all well are people who need anyone to tell them what they think or what to do; it's just one part of their social lives and their inclination to charitable involvement.
As for Tarheels mystic ability to spot another mason accross the desert wastes...pffffft.(Does it work something like "gaydar?)


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 01:15 AM

GUEST, undecided
Although you might have been approached regarding your interest in Freemasonry, the basic tenet is that you must ASK to join.
Masonry in UK is purely a system of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols.
It is not a secret society as it is well known that the movement exists. It is a society WITH secrets, in exactly the same way as any family has its own secrets that are not discussed outside of the family.
Much of the criticism from outsiders is due to misunderstanding of the principle that a Mason is bound to serve a friend or Brother in time of need before the interests of non-Masons. However, there is nothing in Masonry which is incompatible with your civil, moral or religious duties. Masonry is a meeting together of people with similar interests, in the same way as a golf or cricket club or any other similar club you would like to name.
Much of the work of Freemasonry is charitable, for which Masons generally give out of their own pockets. They do not usually raise money by donations from the public. Certainly, Freemasons have their own charities which they fully support such as rest homes for elderly Masons and their wives. This is similar to many other bodies such as Trade Unions. Much of the charity donations is given to Churches, Hospitals, medical schools and universities, buying and maintaining hospital equipment such as scanners, and many local activities.
A quick summation of Freemasonry is that it will cost you a lot of money but make you a lot of friends.
Seek and you will find. ASK and you will be given. Knock and it will be opened unto you.
Greeting to other Masons on this site and I wish you well.
Colyn.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 04:03 AM

So, a society with secrets complains that we outsiders do not really understand it?


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 05:26 AM

I have never understood why anyone would want to become a member of a 'secret society'


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 05:29 AM

What confuses me is WHY people feel the need to join a secret society, anyone can do good deeds, anywhere, anytime, so don't give us that crap about not getting any personal benefit.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Alan Day
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 08:35 AM

I am interested in the tradition of Masonary.Some of the nicest blokes I have ever met have been Masons.A Society with secrets is not the same as a secret society.The Moustrap still showing after many years has secrets.Would you want to go and see the Moustrap if the killer`s name was put up on a placard outside? Why should joining members be told the full ceremonies prior to the performance it would spoil the ceremony for them.It is in books if they really wanted to know.
I cannot understand why some people from a position of complete ignorance,become an authority on a subject they know nothing about.
If you are interested in tradition and Masonary why not join.If you know nothing about the subject, why make up things which are totally untrue.
Al
ps Good meeting last night.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 12:39 PM

It has a rather conservative image or is that its substance?

Will the Masons be having a big campaigne to convince us that they are really just rather shy socialists who are secretly working for the redistribution of power and wealth?


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 12:59 PM

Hmmm seems to me that sometimes positions of authority are given to Mason brothers precisely because the individual is as thick as a short plank, and will do as bid!

Some of us, like Mr Jefferson, believe it is the very last thing before senility or stupidity takes over. IOW it shews to me a weak character developed throungh low of failing intelligence; for example, doddering old age - very common to see old foagies with the symbols on their cars!

Often occult practice is mixed with the devils craft in creating such things as familiars and the like with which - usualy old farts - try to control other people.

A sad and retarded thing, in this the information age, where we can without control read about/ see and study whatever we like; moreover, unless the evil craft wishes to descend down to the level of the Chinese and control the Intenet, that trend will grow and their society, secret or otherwise, will wither.

So joining them is like turning off - if your's works and you could usefully still ask a real question, remain among the living. But perhaps, you lately fell foul of some Nigerian scam? or some other con that caused you to doubt your own brain? That's not unusual if you are old. Joining the Masons may make you feel better but it won't save you from con-men, instead you will develop a new outlook on other minorities from your own.

In sort of slangy world, Masons are old farts who are scared to go down town in case some black person should show them to be the senile old farts, basicaly dumber than the dog, that they really are.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 01:16 PM

Nicely understated sorefingers. But I bet black Masons will be claimed as I type.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: number 6
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 04:02 PM

Teribus ... "I have never understood why anyone would want to become a member of a 'secret society'"

maybe they would to 'learn the secrets'

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 04:16 PM

Join up.

If you don't like what goes on, then quit.


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: Alan Day
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 04:21 PM

You prove my point sorefingers.
You have not got a clue what you are talking about.
Masonary is open to all race and religion and all walks of life .We have young old in our Lodge.
Why not investigate a subject before trying to write about it.
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: joining the masons
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 05:19 PM

"It is a society WITH secrets, in exactly the same way as any family has its own secrets that are not discussed outside of the family."

When a family has secrets, the secret is often about abuse.

The daughters of Masons are quite often tightly controlled by their fathers and seem to have a basic personality flaw. Could this be the reason?

Secrets are unhealthy. It leads to all kinds of speculation.


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