BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: leftydee
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:57 PM

Diana,

I'm interested to know if you think outing a CIA agent is traitorous.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:49 PM

Whoops! Buggered up that link somehow

Lowery Bio HERE

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:45 PM

I'm not sure how one could go about celebrating Coretta Scott King's life without references to politics... Like her husband, her entire life was surrounded in politics...

Yes, there was one reference to WMD's... Big deal... Only a true partisan would let that one reference tarnish a 2 hour plus celebration... Yet partisan folks is just like that...

Heck, Democrats, Greens, liberals and oprogressives had to put up with a month's worth of Reagan worshiping after President Reagan died but fir the most part we just let what became a one month long Republican circle jerk go on with very little protest...

Yet one 3 second long mention of WMD's at a civil rights leaders funeral and that's seems to be what at least one poster will remember of this funeral...

Like I said.... partisan...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:36 PM

Douggie's just being his normal asshole self.

Among other things, what's with the parentheses around "pastor"? The Reverend Joseph Lowerey is an ordained Methodist Minister & a co-founder with Dr. King of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Short Bio
HERE

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:25 PM

And from Doug, as usual, a breath of stale air.

Diana - I didn't hear any reference to WMDs, but what Jimmy Carter (probably the last president who was a genuinely good man) mentioned was the fact that both MLK and his wife had their civil rights violated by illegal wiretaps.

At the funeral of a person who devoted her life to the struggle for civil rights, I don't see that as being out of place.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:24 PM

Call it what you wish, Alba! I, however, am not a racist and how anyone could read that into my my post tells me just how twisted the thinking of some of you people is. The post did not denigrate Mrs. King or the good work she and her husband did. I think a six hour funeral service for ANYBODY is a bit over the top! You will also note that I included in my post IMO. Or perhaps in the opinion or those of you who find fault with the post people are not entitled to their own opinion in this thread. Must agree with the "lefty" screwballs! Right.

Funerals are not a suitable place for partisan posturing and is an insult to the memory of the person in the casket!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:22 PM

Well, Ol' Bill's blowjob was about sex, but it got political in one helluva hurry, so I guess someone's funeral could be misinterpreted too.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:19 PM

Welcome aboard, WooBerry!

I was not advocating the "low road," (as Martin Gibson—who knows more about low roads than anyone else here on Mudcat—claims). And I agree that the ballot box is the way to handle it.

But that, by itself, is not enough. Merely voting on election day is the bare minimum. If you feel strongly about the issues, you need to get involved in campaigning for your position and for candidates who hold that position. Among other things, that means being politically active, keeping thoroughly informed, and discussing the issues with others (as one attempts to do here on Mudcat—and, one hopes, elsewhere as well!). In any discussion, here or elsewhere, using abusing language about office holders and candidates—and about each other—is counterproductive. It only irritates people and muddies the discussion. Calling someone a "moron" or a "scumbag" says nothing about the person being insulted, but it does speak volumes about the person who feels it necessary to use that kind of language.

Not my style.

Prior to the last presidential election, among other things, I attended my party caucus and voted for David Kucinich, the candidate whose views came closest to my own. He didn't make the "finals," but at least I made my opinions known. In the next presidential campaign, I will also attend my neighborhood caucus. That's being a part of the "informed electorate" that Thomas Jefferson said is necessary if democracy is to survive.   

Merely disagreeing with Martin Gibson does not qualify as "taking the low road."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: WooBerry
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 06:19 PM

What is nasty, or even rude about Doug's post?
He has freedom of speech as well.
Personally, I think funerals should be a celebration of the life of the person who died, and in the case of a religious person, joy at their reunions with loved ones, not political platforms.

Diana

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:11 PM

Amos I had some trouble finding reference to the Eulogies delivered at Mrs King's Funeral through my usual places but found this which gives a reasonably balanced report: Link

Doug R...Rude!! Is this new Conservative lingo for anyone who airs their Freedom of Speech in Public in this Country but only applies if the People doing so are disagreeing with the actions of the current Administration!
Nasty is what I would call your post Doug, not rude, just nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:59 PM

Racism is a subtle thing, ain't it.

There's nothing at all subtle about our boy Douggie.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:26 PM

I didn't hear the service, but what was it the pastor said about WMDs in his "outrageous" talk? I find it hard to imagine that including an acronym in a speech of and by itself is grounds for outrage, except perhaps to those who are predisosed to it by reason of some sense of guilt or some such.

Did he say they were good things? I can see how that would be inappropriate. Or did he say they had been used as an excuse for a war which Coretta King took a position against?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 02:37 PM

Good lord. You can't mean it, DougR? What has the Queen of England done in comparison with what Coretta Scott King spent her life in?

Racism is a subtle thing, ain't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:33 AM

WooBerry: A breath of fresh air!

I thougt the whole "Celebration of Life" thing for Coretta King was a bit over the top myself. One might have thought the Queen of England died. The remarks of that outrageous "pastor" and those of former president Jimmy Carter (the worst in U. S. history IMO) were inappropriate and rude. The funeral should have been free of politics.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: WooBerry
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:18 AM

michaelr,

I thought what Dick Cheney said was very rude and inappropriately uttered! (Although I don't blame him for his thoughts!. Calling someone a traitor as hate speech is like calling someone a scumbag, yes. But calling someone a traitor who has given away military secrets is the truth.
My handle I've had since 1992, when I got on AOL for the first time.
There is a story of course.

My musical interests derive from early indoctrination from my father, who even though being one of "Barry's Boys" was a Joan Baez and CMT fan. Since I started teaching Sunday School, I have found a wealth of folk songs which the children (and I) like that are singable, and scripturally accurate. I am looking on gathering a group of them which can be modified to fit my particular program.

I will present them to a group next fall (conference)
I am also interested in genealogy
In real life I am an anesthesiologist.

Now do none of you find it outrageous that the "pastor" who presided over Coretta King's funeral thought it was a good forum to bring up WMDs?

I shall remain out of any camps or factions if I can,

Diana

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:20 PM

Yeah, Diana, listen to the hate-monger of Mudcat, Mertin Giobson himself..

Go click on his name... What will happen is a complete list of his postings with the exceptions on a spell of his GUEST, Martin Gibson's posts..

Yeah, read a few of them, especially his views on woman... And be sure to read all the ones where he goes days without posting one single post that doesn't have some reference to genitals in it...

Yeah, Martin Gibson, above anyone here in Mudville, has been the most vulgar and hatefilled poster, bar none...

So before you attach yer future to his star, check him out... You siad you don't particularrly like the term "scumbag". I don't either yet "scumbag" is a compliment to some of the crap that Martin has spewed here at this forum...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Once Famous
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:42 PM

Hi diana, pay no attention to MichaelR and many of the other American dissenters and left wing lugnuts.

They're just unsatisfied with many of the good things in life and just live for a handout and ridicule everything that is good about the world as they exist on the fringe of society.

They just so mcuh hate the truth especially about themselves.

Appreciated your post. I was raised to respect the office of President, also.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:30 PM

WooBerry -- (great handle!) -- allow me to jump in here.

I'd like to remind you that Vice President Dick Cheney told an elected representative of the American people to go fuck himself on the floor of the Capitol. I'm hard put to imagine anything more vulgar trying to pass for political discourse.

And yes, calling an Americat compatriot a traitor pretty much equates to calling him a scumbag, I'd say. And if you're saying that being critical of Bush's Iraq policy is "leaning toward the traitorous", that puts you squarely in "Martin Gibson"'s camp -- one of the most vulgar people I've come across.

Welcome to the Mudcat, Diana. Tell us about your musical interests sometime. Meanwhile, Be warned it's not safe here below the line.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Once Famous
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:32 PM

Don has chosen the low road and has exercised his double standard of free speech.

Very well put, WooBerry.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: WooBerry
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:04 AM

Well Greg,

I have not heard the president call people names in a public forum, and if I did, I would say that it is not appropriate. I think vulgar speech brings a society down (depending on the forum of course). I don't think that traitor or enemy is a vulgar term, in the same category as "scumbag." I think that people who validate and support states who are America's enemies, are leaning toward the traitorous. What they do with those feelings is what determines whether or not they are actually enemies or traitors themselves.

Greg, all of us have referred to other people rudely. We are human beings after all. It is a shame that some things get caught on tape (both sides!) and reverberate through the media until everyone thinks it is the status quo to talk about other people in a demeaning way.

Wesley, I don't find the name shrub vulgar or offensive. I also think that people can disagree with other people's polictical opinions and that doesn't make them stupid or traitorous. I applaud that this country supports free speech. But I mourn the loss of collegiality between parties or rivals. The rhetoric from both sides is so oppressive!

Don, I do agree that it is our patriotic duty to criticize the actions of the officer if we believe his/her actions are in error. I just think the remedy should be the ballot box, not the low road.

Diana

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:35 PM

Hey Amos---leave McGonnagal alone---
"Upon yon hill there staunds a coo---
"It's no there noo--
"--It must hae shiftit,"

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:17 PM

And, Dougie, you call yerself a Republican??? I 'd hardly belive it...

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:32 PM

Let the haunting begin.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: DougR
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:29 PM

Peace: you are a conservative? Well blow me down! I never would have thunk it.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 08:17 PM

Hey, I'll have to admit to callin' Bush both a "liar" and a "crook" becuase I deeply feel he is both of those but...

... I'd never call him a "scumbag", or anything like that...

I didn't particularlly like Clinton either but did once defend him aginst someone calling him a "scumbag"... Liar? Now that's a different story...

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 07:48 PM

Well said, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 06:56 PM

One can have respect for the office of the President of the United States without having respect for the person who holds that office. One respects what the office should be. If the person in that office fails to live up to the demands of the office and shows by his policies and actions that he is not worthy of the office, that doesn't mean one respects the office any the less.

When one is in the military, one may have contempt for an officer who is stupid and arrogant. But when you salute that officer, you are saluting the uniform, not necessarily the man. Same idea.

By the same token, it is one's patriotic duty to criticize one's country's leaders when one judges them to be in the wrong. Not to do so, mindlessly accepting what they do merely because they are the leaders, verges on treason. At the very least, it is a failure to do one's duty as a citizen.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 06:35 PM

But I would never call the president of our country a vulgar name...

Why in heavens name not, Woo? He regularly refers to his political opponents as traitors and enemies, and as a$$holes & worse- and he's been caught on tape doing so - as have members of his cabinet.

Just following the example of the U.S Head of State, is all.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 06:28 PM

"Junior high stuff is much more desirable than your stuffy old man stuff, WesleyS."

That explains it! Well, Wesley, now we know where Martin is coming from. I can't say I'm the least bit surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 05:16 PM

Woof !! Woof !! Woof !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Once Famous
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 04:58 PM

Junior high stuff is much more desirable than your stuffy old man stuff, WesleyS

No one should ever grow up to be like you.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 04:56 PM

Diana - I happen to call the President "Shrub" - it's a small bush. I can think of other things to call him but I don't. It's a trend to call the other team by funny names. It blows off steam.

Former Speaker of the House Jim Wright told me that in years past the two "teams" would have argued about a bill on the floor but then they were still good enough friends to go out for a beer later. That just doesn't happen anymore. Too much animosity.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: GUEST,G
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 04:49 PM

"Speaking to the unreasonable" - thanks for the reminder, Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: WooBerry
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 04:38 PM

I do object to some of President Bush's entitlement spending. But I would never call the president of our country a vulgar name. It just demeans the whole country, and it only hurts us in the long run, whichever side you are on. What I find so difficult about either side is the absolute intolerance to any beliefs or strategies other than one's own. And then rather than debating the issues, it all degenerates to name calling....

Diana <---going back to the conservative Anglican boards :)

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Amos
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 12:27 PM

Or that he is speaking to the unreasonable.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:46 AM

He who establishes his argument by noise and command, shows that his reason is weak.- Michel de Montaigne

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Pied Piper
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:12 AM

Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv'ry Tay!

Oh my God it's catching.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:08 AM

I find them also to be very humorless.

There's nothing funny about what the BuShites are doing to the country- and to the world, Woo. Picture's pretty grim.

That may have something to do with it.

And if you're a REAL conservative, you should be pretty upset yourself at the BuShite's antics, no?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:48 AM

O si bili, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O nobili, demis trux
Si vats enim, causen dux.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: WooBerry
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:42 AM

I am a conservative, and while I don't find the post offensive, I find it very tiresome, and boring. I live in MA so I hear the same thing day in and day out from people who are not trying to make jokes, and it gets really old. This is why I wouldn't bother posting on the non music threads. If you want to pick some group to make fun of, try your own group. I find them also to be very humorless.

Semper ubi sub ubi is not real latin, because wear as in don clothing is not the same word as wear (as in a slang word for clothing in Latin)

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:22 AM

...Lasciate ogni speranza voi che entrate..."

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:15 AM

"...Lasciate ogni speranza voi che entrate..."

"Pluritas non est ponenda, sine necessitate"

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:16 AM

WOW - Not that's a retort right up there with "I know you are but what am I??" Really junior high stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Feb 06 - 06:55 PM

Now your talking about Wesley's putz. Or is that a pee shooter?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Peace
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 08:09 PM

I read somewhere that there is a 2 mm. Google it if ya want.

I would guess that's about a .08

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 08:09 PM

Thanks, JimmyT, but the Wes Ginny Slide Rule has been secretly plotting to put poor ol' me in the Smithsonian.... I think the P-Vine might be in on it as well...

Now that's the blues...

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: GUEST,G
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 07:21 PM

Speaking as a Conservative, I do not find this thread offensive but somewhat erroneous with regard to the first post....

Wesley S, Neocons ARE Conservatives also. You obviously have confused them with Dems. Simply change the word "Neo-con" to Democrat and the accuracy of this thread will be restored.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Peace
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 07:02 PM

"Speaking of calibers - what's smaller than a .22 ?"

.177 air rifle.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 06:37 PM

The most offensive acronym of all is NFL. Trust me. Any Lithuanian knows in a heartbeat just what that is all about.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Neo-con invasion
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 06:31 PM

FOTL = Found Out Too Late