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BS: Abu Hamza Guilty

Keith A of Hertford 07 Feb 06 - 09:23 AM
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greg stephens 07 Feb 06 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,Alan Morrison 07 Feb 06 - 02:08 PM
GUEST,open mike 07 Feb 06 - 02:13 PM
Alba 07 Feb 06 - 02:25 PM
Peace 07 Feb 06 - 03:27 PM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Feb 06 - 03:45 AM
Dave Hanson 08 Feb 06 - 03:55 AM
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Dave Hanson 08 Feb 06 - 04:38 AM
Paco Rabanne 08 Feb 06 - 10:47 AM
sapper82 08 Feb 06 - 11:11 AM
Pied Piper 08 Feb 06 - 11:14 AM
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Subject: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:23 AM

On 6 counts of incitement to murder, and two of fomenting racial hatred.
Strangely, he was not arrested until USA requested extradition on conspiracy to kidnap charge.
Lucky he was convicted because he could have successfully appealed against extradition on grounds that he would face death penulty in USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:24 AM

penalty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:36 AM

Another martyr??


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Subject: BS: Abu Hamsa guilty
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:06 PM

I think we're getting a bit carried away dealing with self-apponted representatives of God like old Hookie. Also, I wouldn't have thought prison is quite the right place for him, where he will be as happy as a sandboy preaching more self-aggrandizing lunacy to other inadequates. Couldn't we just deport him, or put him on some self-help TV show or something?
    Seems to me if we find them guilty, then we're stuck with feeding them in prison and giving them just the environment they want. Find them not guilty(see the recent BNP trial) and they are back on the streets smirking unpleasantly. Wouldn't it be a bit more grownup not to try them in the first place?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:08 PM

Yes just saw it. Said day for freedom of speech. A lot of what was reported in court seemed as if the police were at their work again, after all, London Met, Police have a long history of setting people up under government advice. The guy has a lot of local support and is respected in the area. Sad day. At least it looks as if he will be released around November.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,open mike
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:13 PM

who is he and what is he accused (or guilty) of?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Alba
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:25 PM

There's a piece here Open Mike: Blue Clicky
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 03:27 PM

Maybe Allah will take him away for good. I certainly hope so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:45 AM

As I said, the police/DPP were actually very reluctant to charge him. They have had the evidence for years.
Their hand was forced by the US. If they had not charged him they would have had to extradite, but our system would not allow that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:55 AM

Hook bloke should count himself bloody lucky to get only seven years [ out in 18 months ] he came back fron Afghanistan with no hands and only one eye.

Alan Morrison should fuck off and try living in a totally intolerant society instead of supporting these evil people who abuse our tolerant society.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Cobble
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:31 AM

They havent had the extradition case yet he could still be shipped out, the sooner the better. The US has a better way of dealing with these people.

          Cobble


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:38 AM

They should send him back to Afghanistan to see what else they can chop off him.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 10:47 AM

Unfortunately we can't deport him because he is a "British Citizen" would you believe!! He gained citizenship in the 1980's after living here as an illegal immigrant for a couple of years. Bloody good job Hitler is dead, I bet he would be allowed to stay here as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: sapper82
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:11 AM

Ted, his British Citizenship has been removed. Now let's get him removed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Pied Piper
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:14 AM

Apparently the French security services had agents in the Mosque and reported his behaviour to our government but nothing was done.

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:34 AM

Thanks for that Sapper82, I didn't know. Let's deport him to Hull!


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:44 AM

So much for the freedom of speech in this country. The man and his followers are allowed by British Law to have a voice. Such bigots here, then I see the Name Ted ! Yes anti Irish, Anti Muslim Anti Arab Ted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:53 AM

Yes Alan, I do have a tendency to dislike people who blow us. Their Nationality though is ireelevant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:16 PM

"Yes Alan, I do have a tendency to dislike people who blow us."

No comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:19 PM

Oh Ted, you naughty boy,You don't like people to blow you ! Such smut.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:40 PM

It is clear from this conviction that there was no need for the further legislation that Mr Blair wanted and that we only very narrowly escaped.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:14 PM

I think he must have been named after a 'Carry On' film.

He was born Mostafa Kamel..........I kid you not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:16 PM

Cigarette tycoon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:58 PM

Wonder if they will de-hook him when he arrives at his prison? Nasty things hooks...but I guess there will be a few people who will say that de-hooking the man is to dissable him..maybe they will give him a rubber hook.

The man was guilty of inciting hatred, he made use of a lberal countries laws to stay free for a long time. He was tried in a court of law with a jury and found guilty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 05:00 PM

He should do the world a favour and die quietly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 05:43 PM

No need for us, or Alan to worry. Out in eighteen months with a guaranteed free trip to the US of A - I hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:03 PM

Yanks are having him next. gets 7 years, but only serves 18 months. Still the faster we ship him to the USA the better. Wonder how he will be treated there, might be shipped out again on one of the holiday flights, the ones where you are tortured at the other end, Hopefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:12 PM

We did not charge him before because we are a multicultural society and we are that politicaly correct now, no one DARED to charge him, its only the publics anger that has made these Numptys charge him at last. Blair, the copper, would rather have had him round for tea I suspect than arrest him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:14 PM

Is it any wonder the BNP is gaining more credibility daily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:15 PM

With who? Idiots?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:19 PM

Was on the news tonight, even some of the french government have been calling our Capital city LONDANISTAN. Makes you proud to be BRITISH doesn't it....


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:21 PM

The French are up to their arses in alligators. ANYthing they can do to take attention away from their own difficulties is a blessing for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:24 PM

There are more and more idiots finding themselves thinking like the BNP lot, if our ethnic friends carry on as they did at the weekend, it is the best recruiting sergeant the BNP could ever have wished for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:27 PM

Then have SAS find the instigators and deal with them. Handling people who threaten you as though they have rights is a bunch of bullshit, IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:44 PM

But do your own torturing, ok, Big Phil? I think we in the US are doing more than enough already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:45 PM

My understanding of this is that this guy has been living off benefits for both himself and his family since he first got to the UK. In the meantime he has been openly preaching hatred and dissent against the people of the west, including his hosts, and has been linked to known terrorists.

He was banned from his local mosque by his own people because they did not agree with the message that he was putting across and he then began preaching in the street where he could be heard by anyone who cared to listen and you can bet that included the security agencies. I doubt that there was any need to set him up on false charges.

There is such a thing as biting the hand that feeds you. I voiced the same opinion as Big Phil last night. I hate the BNP and all it stands for but I can see the attraction for some people. To watch a man like this effectively try to ignite uprising against his host country whilst living off that country makes me want to spit, particularly when the government are too lily livered to put a stop to it.

What's the betting that they will not agree to extradition when he gets out because he might face the death penalty in the USA?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 02:27 AM

No way will this lily livered government of ours send Hook Bloke to the USA, in case they might be nasty to him.

The BNP only attracts thickos and morons but there are a lot of them out there.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 03:33 AM

Don't expect extradition soon. Remember he was arrested on an extradition warrant and only charged to prevent the extradition. Remember that his trial was delayed for months because he had an ingroing toenail!
18 months is plenty of time to come up with more minor charges.
Remember that the book he was convicted of possessing was given back to him by the police years ago. Likewise the speech tapes. All that has changed is the extradition warrant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Walrus
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 03:44 AM

Any attempt to extradite Abu Hamza will be (probably sucessfully) opposed on the grounds that he might face the death penalty in the US.

One solution would be for the US Government to take the possibility of the death penalty for the cited offences off the table. The extradition rules don't say anything about life imprisonment somewhere less than conducive to comfort (Alaskan wastes, Arizona desert, Guantanamo etc.).

As his British Citizenship has been revoked and he was originally Egyptian, his family should also be deported to Egypt - let his extended family support the rest of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 04:06 AM

He is appealing his revoked citizenship, on full legal aid.
The process will be a long one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Walrus
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:14 AM

But if he's a not British (or even an EU citizen), is he entitled to legal aid?
If he is, should he be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:25 AM

How can you ask such a rabidly racist question?
It is British citizens who quite rightly are usually refused it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:26 AM

'Should he be entitled to legal aid?' Much as I despise what I have heard and read of the man, why should he not be? The fact that even the most loathsome criminal is entitled to his day in court and a (hopefully) fair trial - including the right of appeal - is what sets our country apart from the Afghanistans of this world. I, for one, find that a comfort of sorts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:51 AM

Yo Chris,
         How racist of you! How do you that Afghanistan isn't a shining beacon of tolerance, fair play and reasonable courts...... I'll get my coat!


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 09:50 AM

we have extradited people before on condition that the death penalty is not used.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 11:38 AM

And another thing....

I wonder if we'd all be having so much fun thinking of ways to engineer the most draconian punishment possible for this man if he looked like Art Malik or Imran Khan instead of being a fat, ugly, slobbery-faced lump of lard with one eye and a hook. Or isi it easier to believe that ugly people are bad?

By the way, Eric the Red, love the 'Hook Bloke' remark. Pity Funny Looking Blind Bloke isn't still Home Secretary, or that Wheelchair Boy isn't still US President, or Baldy Cancer Bird isn't still Northern Ireland Secretary. Oh, the fun we could have had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 11:41 AM

If he is not a UK citizen on completion of his 18 months inside deport the beggar to Egypt, I am sure that this could be arranged via a one night stop-over in the United States of America, where goodness knows what could happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Dr Hook
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 01:03 PM

Perhaps AirCIA could arrange the flights for him?

If Abu Hamza didn't exist, he would have had to have been invented! What a gift as a bogeyman for the 21st Century - "Watch out children, the mad mullah with the hook will get you!!!"

A pox on all religion, all religionists and all those gullible enough to believe the crap that is promulgated in the name of religion.

Oh, and a pox on the BNP, too. Must be galling for them, they are failed racists as well as failed human beings!


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 03:16 PM

Funny isn't it , how the most fervent supporters of our "free and democratic system" like Keith, Teribus ect, suddenly turn into Saddam Hussein over the actions of one deluded cleric.

Maybe the system is not as strong as we have been led to believe...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 02:47 AM

Chris B, I was merely using his epithet created by Sir jOhn from Hull,
but do you think this piece of filth is worthy of any respect, he comes from Egypt, why didn't he preach his filth there ? Why didn't he stay in Afghanistan ? I'll tell you why, cos they chopped his fucking hands off, thats why, so don't give me any shit about respecting him.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 04:12 AM

So sad to see those who attempt to paint a moralistic lifestyle making attacks on the disabled. Oh dear, such nice people let their guard down and the true personality is revealed. This man fought for what he believed in. Just like so many British veterans of World War two and Iraq 1991. Do you judge them the same way ? Verbal attacks and mocking remarks. Then again talking is what most of the above names are only capable off !


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 04:23 AM

Not like our war veterans really.
Some of the things he said.
You can kill a Kaffir for any reason, and even if there is no reason it is OK.
The extradition is for his part in the taking and murdering of some helpless western tourists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:40 AM

Eric,

So if jOhn from Hull had called him a fat one-eyed paki would you have done the same? Or can you not find another way of attacking Hamza without referring to his disability? Or would that involve expending effort on something excessively challenging - like reading?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:23 AM

I may well be predjudiced about Hook Bloke but not because of his nationality, I really can't imagine why you give him so much sympathy, he openly preached that it was ok for the true believers [ them ] to kill non believers [ us ] in a country where him and his family are living off the state, and silly buggers us let him do it, and you feel sorry for him ? get real.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:33 AM

What have the British done in other countries for hundreds of years ? Spot the difference. Yes preached their word, killed those who opposed them, turfed people of their lands and after it all said Jolly good show. You make me sick with your defence of your warped mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:35 AM

Eric, where have I expressed any sympathy for Hamza? All I've done is condemn the use of language that would embarrass the most retarded playground bully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:47 AM

Eric - I think he lost his hands in an explosion - possibly whilst he was making or setting a bomb, but I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Sorry Chris and Alan, but I don't take account of the man's physical disabilities when thinking about what he has done.

This man is a guest in my house and lives on my 'charity' (for want of a better word). He makes no contribution AT ALL for the benefit of his hosts or anyone else and, in fact, does his damndest to turn others against me. Unfortunately the master of the house does nothing to put a stop to this, even when some of the man's own people show their disapproval by banning him from their temple. I would like to know why, as a nation, we are expected to accept this behaviour.

I would condemn anyone, whatever race or creed, for this sort of behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:18 AM

Yes you are wrong


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:26 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri#Early_life


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:26 AM

Jacqui asked for correction if she was wrong.
So what did happen to him Guest?
He himself is reluctant to talk about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:32 AM

Seems even wikipedia don't have an answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 09:18 AM

Please GUEST 10 Feb 06 - 07:33 AM, please do tell us, "What have the British done in other countries for hundreds of years ?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:26 AM

On April 13, 1919, thousands of Indians gathered in Jalianwalla Bagh in Amritsar, Punjab – in defiance of a law that banned the meeting of more than five Indians. British and gurkha troops entered the building, covered the exits, and systematically gunned down hundreds of unarmed men, women, and children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:28 AM

In 1768 British troops were sent to Boston to keep order. Children called the redcoat soldiers "lobster backs" and hit them with eggs. Many fist fights broke out between colonists and soldiers.
       On March 5,1770, Boston colonists began throwing rocks and snowballs at the British soldiers. Crispus Attucks led the protest saying, " The way to get rid of these soldiers is to attack the main guard. Attucks was in slavery but he escaped and was living in Boston. Following Attuck's charge, the colonists rushed towards the soldiers. Before the colonists got to the soldiers someone yelled, " Fire!" and the soldiers shot at the crowd. The first to die was Attucks. Altogether, five colonists were killed.
       This events shocked Boston. Newspapers reported the killings is in bold letters that said The Boston Massacre. For many years everyone knew March fifth as Massacre Day in Boston.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:31 AM

In Iraq some of the killings of Iraqi civilians by the British Army are being investigated by the RMP.(2) Not only has this practice been condemned by the High Court of Northern Ireland, it is also contrary to international human rights law such as the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR).

The United Kingdom is signatory to the ECHR. The Convention has extra-territorial applicability in that contracting states must also take responsibility for the actions of its armed forces outside its national territory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:32 AM

And that should not have happened. I would condemn any government that ordered or condoned that sort of action.

No major power in the world comes out as squeaky clean but please don't tell me that I cannot object to the behaviour of others because of something that took place before my parents were born. That is not a guilt trip that I will accept - it's just a way of excusing present criminal behaviour when there is no rational reason for acceptance of that behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:33 AM

On 6 September 1971 Annette McGavigan, was shot and killed by British army troops. The identity of the regiment and the soldier who shot Annette has never been confirmed. All that is known is that soldier 'B' and soldier 'C' opened fire during the incident.
There was rioting going on in and around the Little Diamond, at the edge of the Bogside. British soldiers were positioned in the grounds of the old post office. During the rioting, two nail bombs were thrown at the soldiers. They replied by opening fire into a crowd of young people, mainly girls. Annette was in the crowd; she was hit by a bullet in the back of the head and died instantly.
The soldiers claimed that there was a gun battle, eyewitnesses refuted this.
There is no evidence of a proper investigation by the RUC into her death. The soldiers' version of events went unchallenged because their statements were taken by the Royal Military Police. No soldiers have ever been prosecuted with her killing.
Annette was 14 years old.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:35 AM

If I held public meetings at which I told my followers to kill all non-Christians, I'd be prosecuted. He got what he deserved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:35 AM

*** A gang of armed British men ("soldiers") was caught laughing and clapping as they beat-up an Iraqi family for fun, punching a pregnant woman who begged them to stop hurting her children, so violently that one of them died. ***


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:37 AM

In the rocky Kenyan hills of Dol Dol, the picturesque terrain of thorny thickets stands out. This is the land where British soldiers have loved to practise every year for decades now. Dol Dol is remote and out of the way.

While it was common knowledge that the British "disciplined forces" left hundreds of unexploded bombs in this Maasai territory--an issue that saw the British defence ministry recently part with [pounds]4.5 million in an out-of-court settlement to over 200 Maasai victims of unexploded ordnance--little was known about the rape of Maasai girls and women until recently.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:39 AM

A Kenyan delegation has presented a petition on behalf of hundreds of alleged victims of rape by British soldiers.

Dozens of women in bright tribal dress stood outside the British High Commission in Nairobi singing and waving banners.

Many of them brought along mixed race children


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:44 AM

Veterans of the Mau Mau rebellion are demanding billions of Kenyan shillings in compensation from the British government for war crimes committed against them. The Mau Mau was a secret association that fought against British rule in Kenya in the 1950s for land and political freedom.

The veterans of the Mau Mau say that the British government should admit responsibility for the loss of life, property and the pain inflicted upon hundreds of thousands of Kenyans during what the colonialists dubbed the "Emergency" from 1952 to 1960. They added that, if necessary, they would sue the British government at the International Court of Justice if it did not admit liability.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:37 PM

Hell's teeth GUEST is that all you can come up with for a period in History spanning some 250 to 300 years:

Boston 1768 and 1770 on both occasions the troops themselves were attacked first and quite rightly defended themselves. The first instance resulted in a few fist-fights, in the second five colonists were killed when they deliberately attacked the troops - with rocks and snowballs - it would appear that this crowd were not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

On April 13, 1919, Jalianwalla Bagh in Amritsar, Punjab – Caused uproar within the Government in India and back in Britain the Officer Commanding, I think his name was Dyer, was court-martialled for exceeding his orders and sent home in disgrace.

In Iraq is this the case that the High Court threw out and stated that it should never have been brought in the first place. The case where all the witnesses admitted that they lied to obtain the £120 per day to attend the trial and testify. You were asked to give examples of "What have the British done in other countries for hundreds of years ?" Not what they are being accused of doing, not what they are suspected of having done, you Muppet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:51 PM

Please note friends overseas, this is the typical reply when one is banged to rights.You make up your own minds. What a fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 01:15 PM

Kathleen Feeney was another young girl suposedly killed by British troops in N.Ireland. 30 years later the IRA man really responsible confessed to ease his consciencee.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1667997,00.html

This report suggests that the same was true of poor Annette's death. Who knows?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 03:11 PM

Keith, thread title is Abu Hamza Guilty. Not an Irish thread.
If by any chance you want to attack the Provisionals, no problem, count me in. Game on when your ready.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Canada Dry
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:20 PM

Abu O'Hamza. Knew there was something funny about that guy. How does he hold his Guinness ?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Epona
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:43 PM

Reading through this post has got me thinking: you're more than welcome to ship him over to the US. To be more specific, Texas. They love the death penalty in Texas!

E


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:54 PM

Don't forget to fill the plane with paddies too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Epona
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:57 PM

I don't know if the Texans like paddies or not...I never asked them. But, they like trucks, dogs, guns, big belt buckles and the death penalty.

Just as a side note: the Rio Grande is not grand at all. Don't let the name fool you.

E


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM

Doesn't matter if they like paddies or not, they can't get away with what they did. Ask the expert above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Epona
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:11 PM

Okay, "expert above". What did the Texans do that they can't get away with? Or is it the paddies that can't get away with what they did? In that case, what did the paddies do? How about Abu Hamza? How do you think he would "hand"le Texas? HAH. I crack myself up.

E


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Epona
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:15 PM

Umm...I have another question. Who's the expert above?

E


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 04:33 AM

God?


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 07:23 AM

I will resist the offer of a row about Irish political violence with Divis, as I am still licking my wounds from our last one.

A survivor of the tourist murders was on radio today.
He had heard one of his captors speaking to hamza saying, "we have the goods as ordered, there are American and British packages"

Hamza is known to have supplied their satellite phone and to have spoken to them from London before and during the kidnapping.

He appears to have been the guiding hand in the operation.
Sorry. guiding hook.

The conversations were intercepted but under british law can not be used as evidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 07:11 AM

Somewhere above I said,
"Don't expect extradition soon. Remember he was arrested on an extradition warrant and only charged to prevent the extradition. Remember that his trial was delayed for months because he had an ingroing toenail!
18 months is plenty of time to come up with more minor charges.
Remember that the book he was convicted of possessing was given back to him by the police years ago. Likewise the speech tapes. All that has changed is the extradition warrant. "

The European Court of Human Rights has blocked his extradition while they deliberate.
If he might get a life sentence, they will no let him go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 08:00 AM

Do we assume then that Abu Hamza has human rights but Gary McKinnon doesn't?


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