BS: Abu Hamza Guilty

Subject: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:23 AM

On 6 counts of incitement to murder, and two of fomenting racial hatred.
Strangely, he was not arrested until USA requested extradition on conspiracy to kidnap charge.
Lucky he was convicted because he could have successfully appealed against extradition on grounds that he would face death penulty in USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:24 AM

penalty!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:36 AM

Another martyr??

Subject: BS: Abu Hamsa guilty
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:06 PM

I think we're getting a bit carried away dealing with self-apponted representatives of God like old Hookie. Also, I wouldn't have thought prison is quite the right place for him, where he will be as happy as a sandboy preaching more self-aggrandizing lunacy to other inadequates. Couldn't we just deport him, or put him on some self-help TV show or something?
    Seems to me if we find them guilty, then we're stuck with feeding them in prison and giving them just the environment they want. Find them not guilty(see the recent BNP trial) and they are back on the streets smirking unpleasantly. Wouldn't it be a bit more grownup not to try them in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:08 PM

Yes just saw it. Said day for freedom of speech. A lot of what was reported in court seemed as if the police were at their work again, after all, London Met, Police have a long history of setting people up under government advice. The guy has a lot of local support and is respected in the area. Sad day. At least it looks as if he will be released around November.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,open mike
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:13 PM

who is he and what is he accused (or guilty) of?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Alba
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 02:25 PM

There's a piece here Open Mike: Blue Clicky
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 03:27 PM

Maybe Allah will take him away for good. I certainly hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:45 AM

As I said, the police/DPP were actually very reluctant to charge him. They have had the evidence for years.
Their hand was forced by the US. If they had not charged him they would have had to extradite, but our system would not allow that.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:55 AM

Hook bloke should count himself bloody lucky to get only seven years [ out in 18 months ] he came back fron Afghanistan with no hands and only one eye.

Alan Morrison should fuck off and try living in a totally intolerant society instead of supporting these evil people who abuse our tolerant society.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Cobble
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:31 AM

They havent had the extradition case yet he could still be shipped out, the sooner the better. The US has a better way of dealing with these people.

          Cobble

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:38 AM

They should send him back to Afghanistan to see what else they can chop off him.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 10:47 AM

Unfortunately we can't deport him because he is a "British Citizen" would you believe!! He gained citizenship in the 1980's after living here as an illegal immigrant for a couple of years. Bloody good job Hitler is dead, I bet he would be allowed to stay here as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: sapper82
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:11 AM

Ted, his British Citizenship has been removed. Now let's get him removed.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Pied Piper
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:14 AM

Apparently the French security services had agents in the Mosque and reported his behaviour to our government but nothing was done.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:34 AM

Thanks for that Sapper82, I didn't know. Let's deport him to Hull!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:44 AM

So much for the freedom of speech in this country. The man and his followers are allowed by British Law to have a voice. Such bigots here, then I see the Name Ted ! Yes anti Irish, Anti Muslim Anti Arab Ted.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:53 AM

Yes Alan, I do have a tendency to dislike people who blow us. Their Nationality though is ireelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:16 PM

"Yes Alan, I do have a tendency to dislike people who blow us."

No comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Alan Morrison
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:19 PM

Oh Ted, you naughty boy,You don't like people to blow you ! Such smut.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:40 PM

It is clear from this conviction that there was no need for the further legislation that Mr Blair wanted and that we only very narrowly escaped.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:14 PM

I think he must have been named after a 'Carry On' film.

He was born Mostafa Kamel..........I kid you not.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:16 PM

Cigarette tycoon?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 04:58 PM

Wonder if they will de-hook him when he arrives at his prison? Nasty things hooks...but I guess there will be a few people who will say that de-hooking the man is to dissable him..maybe they will give him a rubber hook.

The man was guilty of inciting hatred, he made use of a lberal countries laws to stay free for a long time. He was tried in a court of law with a jury and found guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 05:00 PM

He should do the world a favour and die quietly.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 05:43 PM

No need for us, or Alan to worry. Out in eighteen months with a guaranteed free trip to the US of A - I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:03 PM

Yanks are having him next. gets 7 years, but only serves 18 months. Still the faster we ship him to the USA the better. Wonder how he will be treated there, might be shipped out again on one of the holiday flights, the ones where you are tortured at the other end, Hopefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:12 PM

We did not charge him before because we are a multicultural society and we are that politicaly correct now, no one DARED to charge him, its only the publics anger that has made these Numptys charge him at last. Blair, the copper, would rather have had him round for tea I suspect than arrest him.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:14 PM

Is it any wonder the BNP is gaining more credibility daily.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:15 PM

With who? Idiots?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:19 PM

Was on the news tonight, even some of the french government have been calling our Capital city LONDANISTAN. Makes you proud to be BRITISH doesn't it....

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:21 PM

The French are up to their arses in alligators. ANYthing they can do to take attention away from their own difficulties is a blessing for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:24 PM

There are more and more idiots finding themselves thinking like the BNP lot, if our ethnic friends carry on as they did at the weekend, it is the best recruiting sergeant the BNP could ever have wished for.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:27 PM

Then have SAS find the instigators and deal with them. Handling people who threaten you as though they have rights is a bunch of bullshit, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:44 PM

But do your own torturing, ok, Big Phil? I think we in the US are doing more than enough already.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 09:45 PM

My understanding of this is that this guy has been living off benefits for both himself and his family since he first got to the UK. In the meantime he has been openly preaching hatred and dissent against the people of the west, including his hosts, and has been linked to known terrorists.

He was banned from his local mosque by his own people because they did not agree with the message that he was putting across and he then began preaching in the street where he could be heard by anyone who cared to listen and you can bet that included the security agencies. I doubt that there was any need to set him up on false charges.

There is such a thing as biting the hand that feeds you. I voiced the same opinion as Big Phil last night. I hate the BNP and all it stands for but I can see the attraction for some people. To watch a man like this effectively try to ignite uprising against his host country whilst living off that country makes me want to spit, particularly when the government are too lily livered to put a stop to it.

What's the betting that they will not agree to extradition when he gets out because he might face the death penalty in the USA?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 02:27 AM

No way will this lily livered government of ours send Hook Bloke to the USA, in case they might be nasty to him.

The BNP only attracts thickos and morons but there are a lot of them out there.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 03:33 AM

Don't expect extradition soon. Remember he was arrested on an extradition warrant and only charged to prevent the extradition. Remember that his trial was delayed for months because he had an ingroing toenail!
18 months is plenty of time to come up with more minor charges.
Remember that the book he was convicted of possessing was given back to him by the police years ago. Likewise the speech tapes. All that has changed is the extradition warrant.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Walrus
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 03:44 AM

Any attempt to extradite Abu Hamza will be (probably sucessfully) opposed on the grounds that he might face the death penalty in the US.

One solution would be for the US Government to take the possibility of the death penalty for the cited offences off the table. The extradition rules don't say anything about life imprisonment somewhere less than conducive to comfort (Alaskan wastes, Arizona desert, Guantanamo etc.).

As his British Citizenship has been revoked and he was originally Egyptian, his family should also be deported to Egypt - let his extended family support the rest of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 04:06 AM

He is appealing his revoked citizenship, on full legal aid.
The process will be a long one.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: The Walrus
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:14 AM

But if he's a not British (or even an EU citizen), is he entitled to legal aid?
If he is, should he be?

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:25 AM

How can you ask such a rabidly racist question?
It is British citizens who quite rightly are usually refused it.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:26 AM

'Should he be entitled to legal aid?' Much as I despise what I have heard and read of the man, why should he not be? The fact that even the most loathsome criminal is entitled to his day in court and a (hopefully) fair trial - including the right of appeal - is what sets our country apart from the Afghanistans of this world. I, for one, find that a comfort of sorts.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:51 AM

Yo Chris,
         How racist of you! How do you that Afghanistan isn't a shining beacon of tolerance, fair play and reasonable courts...... I'll get my coat!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 09:50 AM

we have extradited people before on condition that the death penalty is not used.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 11:38 AM

And another thing....

I wonder if we'd all be having so much fun thinking of ways to engineer the most draconian punishment possible for this man if he looked like Art Malik or Imran Khan instead of being a fat, ugly, slobbery-faced lump of lard with one eye and a hook. Or isi it easier to believe that ugly people are bad?

By the way, Eric the Red, love the 'Hook Bloke' remark. Pity Funny Looking Blind Bloke isn't still Home Secretary, or that Wheelchair Boy isn't still US President, or Baldy Cancer Bird isn't still Northern Ireland Secretary. Oh, the fun we could have had.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 11:41 AM

If he is not a UK citizen on completion of his 18 months inside deport the beggar to Egypt, I am sure that this could be arranged via a one night stop-over in the United States of America, where goodness knows what could happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: GUEST,Dr Hook
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 01:03 PM

Perhaps AirCIA could arrange the flights for him?

If Abu Hamza didn't exist, he would have had to have been invented! What a gift as a bogeyman for the 21st Century - "Watch out children, the mad mullah with the hook will get you!!!"

A pox on all religion, all religionists and all those gullible enough to believe the crap that is promulgated in the name of religion.

Oh, and a pox on the BNP, too. Must be galling for them, they are failed racists as well as failed human beings!

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 03:16 PM

Funny isn't it , how the most fervent supporters of our "free and democratic system" like Keith, Teribus ect, suddenly turn into Saddam Hussein over the actions of one deluded cleric.

Maybe the system is not as strong as we have been led to believe...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Abu Hamza Guilty
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 02:47 AM

Chris B, I was merely using his epithet created by Sir jOhn from Hull,
but do you think this piece of filth is worthy of any respect, he comes from Egypt, why didn't he preach his filth there ? Why didn't he stay in Afghanistan ? I'll tell you why, cos they chopped his fucking hands off, thats why, so don't give me any shit about respecting him.

eric