BS: Shotgun Cheney

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:36 PM

Did you say Bush was seen over on a grassy knoll!

Holy Sh^t

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:34 PM

Well, have you seen the pictures of the bush on the grassy knoll?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:25 PM

was there a 2nd shooter though?
or at least 250 others who shot at the same time?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:24 PM

All us liberals who complained when Cheney went duck hunting with Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia must now have a change of heart in light of recent events.
                                           SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:20 PM

Funny that. Often at accident scenes when we can smell alcohol on the breaths of casualties, they too have always had just one beer. Interesting that, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:15 PM

"The local admin didn't even know it was required or they would have informed him when they WERE ASKED FOR ALL NECESSARY PERMITS!!! "

Interestingly enough gnu, that is not a defence in Australia - a fisherman went bankrupt when fined (large court costs when he fought it in court!), EVEN THOUGH HE HAD ASKED WHERE HE WAS ALLOWED TO FISH, as he wasn't given all the proper paperwork!

I agree with the 'innocent till proven guilty' thing - but Lindy Chamberlain was 'convicted by the media', and I doubt if any person on the jury had not had their opinion warped by the media.

However, Justice is supposed to be be blind to the status and wealth of a person - hah! - it seems that many people EXPECT that Cheney should be treated no different to any poor schmuck like you or I who finds himself in the same circumstances.

Recently, a famous Aussie sportsman backed over his own daughter in his own driveway - she recovered, and he was not charged with anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: gnu
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:01 PM

"Ummm, nope. Needed a quail stamp. Didn't have it."

But... he was licensed.... read the news!!! Sweet Jaysus... ere ye stunned? The stamp just came out. The local admin didn't even know it was required or they would have informed him when they WERE ASKED FOR ALL NECESSARY PRMITS!!! Good sufferin fuck!! I can't believe you said that.

"If you're of the opinion that saying "Go f*** yourself" to a Senator is a "sport"."

I have no idea what you meant by this. But... I am a Canuck. Unlike you Yanks, when someone needs to be told to go FUCK THEMSELVES, we do... and we follow up. You and Dick work that one out.

"Why? Would he have shot Kennedy? I think you missed the prior poster's point. (hint: he was helping Cheney's case a bit by the comparison)"

Gee. You are so intelligent that you missed my point. I wish I could hold a candle to you. Seriously, I rather not. Try to catch my drift there, smartass.

"Your next paragraph is so long and so full of shit... I am paraphrasing here..."

... that is doesn't deserve a response.

"Gnu, I notice you're getting a bit testy here. Why?"

Why? Gee. That really makes me sad. I just cannot comprehend that so many people who seem to stand for "right" and "justice" and so on can be so bloodthirsty, can be so willing to convict a man with no proof, can judge a man guilty before the facts are known. And, it's not just Dick. It happens every day. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Innocent until proven guilty. Am I wrong?

Read the thread on the guy who shot the raptor in England just recently. Same thing. People wanted to "punish" the man for things they could only assume he might have done. Sick puppies!

I just thank goodness that there is a British law system in effect and not mob rule or idiot rule where I am.

BTW... I am no fan of Dick, or Junior... not by a long shot.

Hehehehehe... hey... if ya can't laugh....

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:47 PM

From what I've heard the VP has said that he had a beer during lunch before they went out shooting in the afternoon. Is that common among quail hunters ? Would you feel entirely comfortable knowing that your hunting buddies had A beer at lunch ?

I'm not trying to be confrontational - but I am asking what is the common behavior among the guys you hunt with and how you feel about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: gnu
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:26 PM

Hunting 101 courses? You bet. I agree. I think that every single person who wants to go hunting or wants to voice their opinion on hunting should have to take the appropriate courses in order to be safe while hunting and to be safe while while voicing their opinions on hunting.

But, of course, that will never happen. To some people, apparently, it's a crock of shit. No matter what. It's all in vogue to have a popular opinion without knowledge and say it really loud so it sounds good. No matter what. Don't matter. It's just bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Arne
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:10 PM

gnu:

Cheney WAS licensed, ...

Ummm, nope. Needed a quail stamp. Didn't have it.

... Cheney WAS a sport,...

If you're of the opinion that saying "Go f*** yourself" to a Senator is a "sport".    ;-)

... Ted Kennedy was NOT present, ...

Why? Would he have shot Kennedy? I think you missed the prior poster's point. (hint: he was helping Cheney's case a bit by the comparison)

... and, of course, the resposibility remains with the shooter... UNLESS SOME IDIOT FUCKS UP AND WALKS INTO YOUR LINE OF FIRE!!!!

Ummmm, nope. You're responsible for making sure that what's in front of you is something you want to hit ... when you pull the trigger. That's the way it works. Bullets (and shot) move a whole lot faster than people can. Good example of this is deer hunting with a thirty ought: If you can't see where your bullet is going to end up through foliage, etc., you shouldn't be pulling the trigger. Lots of people ignore this, and lots of people get hurt because of this. Which is why my brother refuses to go out in rifle season rather than bow/shotgun season. But that's just prudence on his part; if he went in rifle season and someone shot him, it would still be their fault albeit his misfortune. IOW, just because you can't see clearly is NOT something that absolves you of responsibility (this WRT the "sun's in my eyes" cockamamie various Cheney apologist have tried to float). As for whether the guy "walked into [Cheney's] line of fire", guess we don't know that ... but it's irrelevant! Cheney's "line of fire" shouldn't have been at another person.

Gnu, I notice you're getting a bit testy here. Why?

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: gnu
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:09 PM

Minds me of the two brothers in Albert County, New Brunswick some years back. First morning of deer season (Virginia Whitetail), they separate and head in along a farm field (their own farm). A few minutes later, one calls to the other. Buddy walks out and plows the moose right in the chest. His brother was holding up a moose head from a poached moose (we won't say who poached the moose). Needless to say, how the hell do you charge one or the other with what?

But... I am sure some of you will be sure to hang one or the other.

Anyway, the insurance companies have kept it in court for years.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:48 PM

I happen to think there are two sides to this whole thing, and neither guy is right.

1) When ya hunt, it is good policy that your hunting buddies know where you are
2) You know where your hunting buddies are
3) You don't ever shoot at something you
      a) don't intend to kill
      b) aren't sure is something you want to kill

4) Don't just jump up and say, "SURPRISE"

I think the friggin' lot of them need some serious 'Hunting, 101' courses and I am of the opinion none of them should be allowed out without their mothers.

The guy that got shot was reckless; the guy that shot him was reckless.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: gnu
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:42 PM

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! He sure did!! Picked a piss poor huntin buddy, dinnit'e? Ah, well. It could happen to anyone. I ever tell ya about the time I met with this here fellah what was huntin with us what had the safety on his 303 off?

Be damned if this here fellah was all shook up when I arrived. Told me about a deer feedin in a meadow 175 out. I asked him why he didn't take it. He asked if the 303 would reach that far!!! That's when I noticed his safety was off. I asked him if he was still all shook up. When he answered no, I asked him why his safety was off. He replied that is was on... my cousin had lent him the rifle and told him forward was safe.

I asked for the gun. He obliged. I pulled the safety back, placed the gun on the toe of my boot, curled my toes back (I ain't stunned altogether) and pulled the trigger. Nothin. I put the safety forward, offered the gun to him and said, "Your turn." He thought better of it! He's a good huntin buddy now. Still can't hit the broad side of a barn, but that's fine, on accounta we don't hunt much, really. Been years since I actually used a gun fer huntin.

Only thing we really need guns for is the people that tell us we shouldn't have them. They scare me shitless.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:19 PM

Hi, Gnu. So, are you saying that Cheney fucked up?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: gnu
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:08 PM

AHa!!! Found it! Finally! Had another PM. Go figure. Well... had a bunch, but, mostlu from assholes. You know how it is. But, this one was from someone I respect, so even though I asked for "no more", I will respond to

"Accidents happen, but .... I've spent 1000s of hours (literally) bird hunting and have never shot anyone , been shot or, for that matter, ever knew anyone that was. Regardless, if it's an accident it means it was a mistake and I can live with that. However, the resonsibility remains with the shooter. Part of field hunting etiquette requires that you know where your companions are. Another part means respecting the working dogs and shooting that low is questionable. Plus, good ethics require that you're properly licensed. It looks to me that Mr Cheney ain't quite the sport that the media reports. My biggest complaint is that it appears that he tried to pull a Ted Kennedy."

The PM'er wanted to know why I replied to his post by saying, "Bullshit."

At the time of these posts, Cheney WAS licensed, Cheney WAS a sport, Ted Kennedy was NOT present, and, of course, the resposibility remains with the shooter... UNLESS SOME IDIOT FUCKS UP AND WALKS INTO YOUR LINE OF FIRE!!!!

WHAT THE SWEET FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE NOT FUCKIN GET????

This is sunset time... for good. This is just too fucking unreal for me. A bunch of people who have no idea of what took place and have every idea that to hang an innocent man is a good idea. Mark my words... it's people like you who deserve DICK!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: kendall
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:01 PM

One of those news programs has been hashing this over, and one of the reporters said Cheney has and has had a drinking problem.

The jokes should stop. If the man dies that will be the real tragedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:03 PM

Funny, isn't it, how fat boy can stand up and tell the world how bad he feels about damaging a single, aged, white Republican lawyer; but the fact that he has grimly and blindly pursued the slaughter of scores of beautiful women and children, and the wholesale production of widows and orphans, and the ruination of hndreds of American families through loss or dementia...why that's all right, isn't it? Why, he was jes' doing his job and following orders, wasn't he?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 03:57 PM

the thing about shooting is the trousers. you get to wear those pants that you stick in your boots - I bet you feel like Patton smooching round in those.

photo opportunity gone wrong.

they're lucky it wasn't a massacre.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 11:39 PM

That's a great idea, gnu. I'm making one of those T-shirts for myself ASAP.

Too bad I'll have to wait until spring to wear it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 07:27 PM

From the Mangled Lyrics Thread

when you feed something thru the Google translator a few times..

OH -, Lawd, Cheney, Bam-Ba-Lamm (2x)
Cheney huntin ' went thick thick, the Bam-Ba-Lamb (2x),
him einsackte a lawyer, Bam-Ba-Lamb (2x),
but it is not not dying yet......,
Where' D thick Cheney which germinate you?

which I think is even closer to the truth (given the 4 letter word substitute for 'germinate') (thick thick - ROFL)

(Incidentally, the French apparently have no Dick...)

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 11:56 AM

conservatives never have been straight shooters, just lying bastards

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 11:28 AM

20:52AM post = cynical satire or the actual rhetoric behind closed republican doors.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:52 AM

Ebbie, yeah I too noticed Dick's vicarious thrill turn real.

..........................
George W said Dick and I have made the ultimate sacrifice in losing our privacy during this campaign.
He has a point.
Cheney is entitled to his privacy in this time of war.

THIS WAS just a private shooting among friends.
Its nobody elses business.
Just like if I shot you in the eye at a carnival.
When you bought a ticket you assumed the risk.
Besides its your fault for being in the way of my pellet.
The last thing we need is a frivilous lawsuit when its your fault for getting peppered, salted, or even highly seasoned.

THE ONLY SAD PART is that after they took this guy to the remote and tiny clinic in Mayville over rough country roads, instead of a real hospital in Corpus Christy over super highways or even a helicopter AND THEN STUPIDLY went public anyway the next day.

-I bet someone at the tiny clinic called the sheriff and screwed up the whole cover up!!! blabber mouth bastards were probably democrats.-

It all could have remained under the radar in a small clinic in the boondocks, but noooo... someone decided to get a family member of Cheney's lobbiest at the local Gazette involved.

BIG MISTAKE

They may have well gone to the closer big hospital in the first place if they were going to go public.
Someone dropped the ball and it may have been Karl Rove.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: kendall
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:51 AM

Now the right wingers are saying that the 28 guage shotgun is like a bb gun. What kind of idiot would make such a statement? Is it wishful thinking or stupidity?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:47 AM

Good luck to the man shot. This will be a better outcome than the 12 year old boy who was shot by his Father while hunting in the Midwest last season. He died.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: kendall
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:45 AM

Vice president Aaron Burr ruined his career by shooting Alexander Hamilton. Let's hope history repeats itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:31 AM

Just occurred to me- finally Cheney got to know what it's like to be in combat- hey, the other man was armed too, wasn't he?

Bless his heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:24 AM

Alfred E Newman: "What, me worry?" No, Cheney isn't worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 10:21 AM

I don't think anyone suggested that if the man should die it could be construed as murder. On the other hand, many a person has been charged with and convicted of manslaughter and even negligent homicide, even when the felon had no such thought as to the outcome of his action.

I hope the man lives (I know- big of me) but I dearly hope that Cheney is a worried man.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 09:12 AM

Jon Stewart's Daily Show was absolutely ruthless with this football -- they had me rolling on the floor laughing.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 08:57 AM

All of you are missing the point.   The real question is whether the quail represented a "clear and present" danger to the United States.

Clearly, Cheney didn't have the proper stamp to hunt birds.   Again, the real question nobody is asking- Did he have the proper stamp to hunt lawyers?   If so, what is the problem?

Just remember- Guns don't shoot people- Vice Presidents do.

Now, If we only send Cheney on a "turkey" hunting trip to the Senate there would be about 45 more vacancies.

PS:   This is the first time I can remember that this forum stook up for the rights of a lawyer.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: kendall
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 08:38 AM

There is no way this can be spun into murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: gnu
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 08:04 AM

I can just see it now... "I went hunting with Dick and all I got was this lousy tee shirt." Appropriately covered with holes and red splotches.

Money in the bank.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,Dewey
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 07:24 AM

Dianavan, Is your desire for a manslaughter conviction, because you do not like Mr. Cheney as a person? and/or the Republican Leadership specifically?

A conviction against the Vice President for murder is highly unlikely.

On the flip side, however, there is no such thing as a "Private Shooting Among Friends"

The public had a right to know about this incident and preferrably the VP should have issued a statement in his own behalf immediately and forerightly. Politically, it was a dumb move to limit knowledge of the incident to a few Good Ole Boys on the Farm.

Dewey

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 06:57 AM

Oh, Lawd, Dick Cheney, Bam-ba-lamb (2x)
Dick Cheney went a huntin', Bam-ba-lamb(2x)
Bagged himslef a lawyer, Bam-ba-lamb(2x)
But he hasn't died yet......
Dick Cheney where'd you shoot from?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 06:04 AM

Just read this in a press release -

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals said it has sent a letter to the chairman of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission urging that Cheney's hunting license be revoked.

Can't make 'em up better than that!

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 01:47 AM

marks - I don't think its an easy way out especially if the man dies 'of complications'.

I don't want the geezer to die but I would like to see Cheney due some time for manslaughter.

Now that would be karma.

Maybe there is a Goddess.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,marks
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 11:52 PM

Call me conspiratorial but - I have thought for some time Cheney would not serve out his term. Has a history of heart health problems, and ethical problems as well.

Now the plan.

Cheney resigns citing emotional distress piled on top of all the rest of his problems.

Dubya then names Condoleeza Rice as VP to serve the remainder of his term. Makes sense, Secretary of State might be a natural to move up.

Comes the 2008 election, and Condi now gets the nod as the Republican presidential nominee to run against whoever the Dems agree on. (Hillary for a guess.)

Mind you I do not think this is a plot, just a way for Cheney to resign with sympathy. Its an easy way out.

Comments?

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 11:45 PM

Thanks for the link, Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 10:55 PM

I still can't get over that after shooting this guy there had to be blood all over the place, the poor guy must have screamed himself hoarse, it must have been mightily unpleasant, yet as soon as the med team whisks the guy off to the hospital, these people sit down to eat!!!

And after the guy is shot, this Armstrong woman blames it on him! These must be some really swell, compassionate folk. "We're not going to accompany you to the hospital because we're all so hungry that not even your disgusting bloodied features and the shock of being cause because I accidentally shot you in the face and chest can keep us from the table but keep us posted on the phone while we eat."

Jesus, if that doesn't demonstrate the coldness of people like Cheney and his friends what does? Armstrong even stated that Cheney was "cool" while waiting for his medical team to arrive. Yeah, he was cool--I'll bet he was ice-cold in fact. Ever see this guy trying to smile?? Jesus, it's like it takes every ounce of his will to accomplish what must obviously be a very difficult task for him. It's enough to chill John Gotti's blood. I've never seen anyone manage to look so hopelessly constipated. You wonder how he sends your kids off to die in his useless quagmire of a war that was born of his quest to expand executive power to that of emperor? Look at that smile. That's how.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 09:55 PM

So far everyone here has made good points. But I have TWO QUESTIONS THAT NO ONE HAS ASKED...

1 With Cheney's personal medical team with him at the hunting party, why did they transport the victim over many miles of unimproved ranch roads to a TINY VILLAGE CLINIC (Mayville?) instead of going to the closer and larger hospitals in Corpus Cristy over super highways, or even call in a helicopter with all of the state of the art communication systems that can start a nuclear war.

2 We have all heard the downplay rhetoric by Cheney's lobbiest regarding peppering and it all being the victims fault for not announcing himself and those silly superficial wounds and joking with nurses etc
The man was in INTENSIVE CARE for two days and now back in INTENSIVE CARE again.
SO maybe there has been a touch of spin to soften the go fuck yourself edges of Dick Cheney. What I would like to know is WHERE IS LYNN CHENEY. Dick Cheney's wife is incommunicado. Is she missing? Is she also at an undisclosed location or is she at her Bethesda address down the road from me?

Again why did they take this old guy to podunk central for treatment
and where is Lynn Cheney? Where is Dick for that matter.




Senator Alan Simpson said today sic "its all the media's fault for making a mountain out of a mole hill and that the big papers are jealous of the Texas Gazzette". He says the unwashed people aren't concerned about White House communications but rather a media that is heartless and out of control. "The media makes me SICK"

bad spin Al. Even a dog knows when it has been kicked on purpose or accidentally.

Like Rita Cosby's ass, there is no getting around it, WE SMELL A COVER UP GONE BAD.

Chris Matthews said to Bill Mahre " The Cheney people didn't call the WHite house for a day or even the police, there seemed to be little concern for anyone but Cheney...
Bill Mahre: Yeah Chris, You'd think it was a Hurricane.

now how should I illustrate the real chain of events hmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: number 6
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 09:24 PM

Who knows ... a 78 year old male with a pellet stuck to his heart is pretty close to knocking on heaven's door.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: kendall
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 09:22 PM

If it had been buckshot, the man would be dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 09:16 PM

Donuel-

Ms. Rice may not appreciate your artwork (but I do).

Be sure you lock your doors securely this evening.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: SharonA
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 08:59 PM

According to Forbes' timeline, the hunting party had taken a lunch break before the incident occurred, so perhaps they'd been drinking. But with Cheney's heart condition, would HE have been drinking??

A lot of the details we're being given don't add up for me...

How is it that, at 30 yards and clothed in hunting gear which should have included an orange vest or jacket plus chilly-weather gear, Ol' Harry could have been peppered with buckshot in the upper chest at such a deep level that it was not removed and either entered his heart or later moved there through the bloodstream to cause his heart attack today?

Harry is reported to have said he would not release a statement about the incident out of respect for Cheney, but since the statement released to the press blamed Harry for being in the wrong place without announcing himself, why would he not release a "mea culpa" statement out of "respect" for Cheney? (I suspect that he was told not to say anything because, under medication, he could have said something -- like the truth -- that would have contradicted the ranch owner's statement to the local press in Corpus Christi.)

Where was Dubya when all this was happening? We're told Andy Card and Karl Rove talked to him an hour to an hour and a half after the shooting, and I guess we're supposed to believe that, but I can't help wondering... was Bush actually a member of this hunting party? Was Bush actually the shooter?

Why was the White House press secretary not told of the shooting till 6:00 a.m. the next day? Why was the first statement made by the ranch owner, Katharine Armstrong, to her good buddy the reporter in Corpus Christi at noon Sunday, instead of by the press secretary to the AP and other national and international reporters on Saturday evening? Why did the statement mention "the Vice President" over and over without mentioning Cheney's name -- was Armstrong afraid she would slip and say "Bush" instead of "Cheney"?

Lots of other details about the timeline fail to add up, too, Something definitely smells here, and it ain't gunpowder.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 07:02 PM

The possibility exists that the reason that there was a significant lag between the incident and its being reported was to ensure that all traces of any alcohol were gone. There is no longer any possibility of metering any alcohol use but I think it's pertinent to ask whether the hunters had been drinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 05:09 PM

Well, enough. I think that Cheney violated one of the Big Ten rules of safe shooting and that there is responsibility on both sides.

As for shooting at lawyers -- try it. My wife, an attorney, can outshoot me and I'm a fair-to-middlin' shot with pistol, rifle, and shotgun. The first weapon she ever fired was a .45 Colt's revolver and she still has it.

So much for this thread and me. Ta-ta.

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 04:58 PM

Not that Cheney has the temperement to start yelling at people to go fuck themselves, but we should trust the inate feelings of children and how they react to him.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/cheneybird.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: CET
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 04:52 PM

The "no excuses" line was what first came to my mind. I'm not a hunter, but I've fired on rifle and pistol ranges many times, and I know that you don't fire except at a properly identified target.

However, after reading everything above I find that I can't entirely buy the anti-Cheney line.

Yes, you have to identify your target and know what is behind it before you shoot. That's why there can never be an excuse for shooting your hunting buddy because you thought you were shooting at a moose. From what gnu says, quail shooting is different. There doesn't seem to be any reason to believe that Mr. Cheney did not identify a quail, or that he was shooting outside of his assigned field of fire. The suggestion is that his hunting partner moved into his zone, without announcing himself. If he was screened by brush or tall grass, he might not have been visible even if he was wearing an orange vest. I believe I read in a newspaper today that the victim was actually hidden.

Shooting too low is of more concern. Obviously, if Mr. Cheney had fired at the correct angle the pellets should have gone right over the other man's head. Still, that seems less reprehensible to me than just blasting away without knowing where you are shooting.

I would also be interested in knowing whether Mr. Cheney had been regularly checking the position of the other hunter, and when was the last time he had checked his position before firing the shot. The answers to those questions would make some difference in assessing his degree of culpability. Unlike some of the people who have posted so far, I don't feel confident in opining about Mr. Cheney without knowing the answers.

One more point. In Texas, to the best of my knowledge, the presumption of innocence still applies. It would be for the prosecution to prove him guilty in a court of law, not for him to prove the opposite.

Finally, if I never hear another witless crack about lawyers from some undereducated jerk, that will be just fine, thank you very much. Guest: the next time you get wrongly charged, my guess is that you will be the first one looking for a good defence counsel who will go toe to toe with the prosecution on your behalf. And if you get convicted, I hope you find an appellate lawyer who will sweat blood for you. So all in all: FOAD!

There. I feel ever so much better now.

CET

Subject: RE: BS: Shotgun Cheney
From: number 6
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 04:51 PM

Maybe Dick forgot to put in his contact lenses that day ... did anyone give that a thought.

sIx