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Obit: Katie Lee, "Ten Thousand Goddam Cattle"
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Subject: seeking Katie Lee recording From: Rex Date: 18 Feb 06 - 03:44 PM I'm looking for 10,000 Goddam Cattle as recorded by Katie Lee sometime in the 60s. This should have been made into a CD but apparantly not yet. I've hunted the web and ebay. So I'm out of ideas and its time to see if the Mudcat folks have an answer. I'm wanting to hear her recording in any form. LP, cassette or cd. Well I'll download them if that works. But its a double album with some great material. Here's hoping some Katie Lee fan out there knows where to find it. Adios, Rex |
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Subject: RE: seeking Katie Lee recording From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Feb 06 - 04:14 PM Hmmm. I think somebody here mentioned having that recording, Rex. I hope they'll surface. In the meantime, see the crosslinked threads, and:
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Subject: RE: seeking Katie Lee recording From: Rex Date: 22 Feb 06 - 02:47 PM Hey Joe, I sure appreciate you finding quite a bit on Katie Lee. Also thanks to rlr for contacting me. I've sent off an inquiry to the Glen Canyon Institute. Word is that the above mentioned recording was available on a double CD. I've found nothing about it. But Katie was remastering the recording and was going to rerelease it. If anyone knows about this the Glen Canyon folks should. I'll let you know what I hear from them. Rex |
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Subject: RE: seeking Katie Lee recording From: katlaughing Date: 22 Feb 06 - 02:52 PM Rex, The Glen Canyon folks are who got me through to her. Their addy to order the tapes/CDs is in this thread and my initial posting includes a message from Herself, as well as the addy at Glen Canyon to which I sent my original query. They are good folks! Good to see you here, again. luvyakat |
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Subject: Folklore: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Francy Date: 09 Mar 06 - 12:41 AM I have begun reading her book 10,000 GD cattle for the umteenth time.....It is so good, with many valuable renditions of old cowboy songs & poems, and lots of great information she gathered from other artists and friends.....Is she still alive ? Last I heards she was somewhere in Arizona. She is somewhere in her mid 90's.... would like some more info on this marvelous lady.....Frank of Toledo |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle From: Desert Dancer Date: 09 Mar 06 - 01:07 AM I thought I'd seen her mentioned in the paper recently -- she was at this event this past weekend: Honor the Canyon Women in Your Life! - The Friends of Saguaro National Park is very pleased to announce their spring 2006 event, "Canyon Women," featuring three amazing Arizona women: Katie Lee, Betty Leavengood, and Lauray Yule. Ticket sales go towards preservation and outreach efforts for Saguaro National Park. She had a memoir out in 2004: Sandstone Seduction : Rivers and Lovers, Canyons and Friends, by Kate Lee. "Lee's earthy Arizona memoir, peppered with b&w photos of men, friends, rocks, and rivers, limns her love affair with the Southwest, where she grew up in the 1940s. Lee has been a singer, actress, musicologist, and activist on behalf of wilderness, but it's her skill as a storyteller that's the point here. Essays, recollections, journal entries, and snippets of letters ramble through the years like water through Lee's beloved Glen Canyon." Annotation �2004 Book News, Inc., Portland, OR (booknews.com) Plenty of Google material, try this: http://myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=k_lee, or Wikipedia. :-) ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Francy Date: 09 Mar 06 - 11:12 AM Thank you Becky in tuscon...........Frank of Toledo |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Rex Date: 09 Mar 06 - 01:15 PM I believe Katie is 85 now. It just seems that she must be older for all that she has done in her life. As I understand it, she is still doing talks on the Glen Canyon. But I haven't heard anything from the Glen Canyon Institute regarding my inquiries. If you want some more things about Katie, do a search in the archives at NPR. She was part of a story on Lake Powell last year. They have some other stories about her as well. Rex |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Francy Date: 09 Mar 06 - 01:27 PM Thank You Rex................Frank of Toledo |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Desert Dancer Date: 02 Aug 10 - 07:03 PM This past weekend during a contra dance camp we had a 30-minute concert from Katie Lee in Jerome, Arizona, where she is now resident. She is 90 years old and frustrated by her guitar playing, but sounded and looked great to me. Feisty as she must ever have been. Apropos of a Burl Ives thread that was just revived, in answer to the question, "Who was your favorite performer that you ever worked with?", she replied that she always performed solo, but Burl Ives was the one who really helped her in with advice on starting her career in singing. She said that his most important piece of advice was to always say/send a thank you to anyone who wrote anything about you, to thank the event organizers, and to thank the sound technician. She also mentioned that she was the first performer at Chicago's "Gate of Horn". She's got her own web site now: www.katydoodit.com, where you can read all about her, as well as purchase cds, books, and dvds. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 02 Aug 10 - 10:50 PM Her cd, "Ten Thousand goddam Cattle," has that song and several others from the book by that name. |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: katlaughing Date: 02 Aug 10 - 10:55 PM What a treat to get to see and hear her! Thanks for the info. kat |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: pdq Date: 02 Aug 10 - 11:32 PM The town where Katie Lee lives is over a mile high and is very camera-friendly. |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 GD Cattle) From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Aug 10 - 11:53 PM Katie was the first one I ever heard sing Tom Russel's great song--"Gallo Del Cielo" Katie, be well!! Love, Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Midchuck Date: 03 Aug 10 - 09:40 AM Spent some time on her website last night. I think I'll get a couple of CDs, and maybe that poster...as long as it was taken in '57 and not in the last couple of years. I suspect Kendall's lyrics announce a universal problem... Peter |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 03 Aug 10 - 11:42 AM The title reminds me of something I just read in a book about cattle ranching in the Flint Hills of Kansas. There was a cowboy who told everybody that sure, he ate beef. He didn't actually like it, he just did it for the revenge. |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Art Thieme Date: 03 Aug 10 - 07:21 PM I always really looked forward to driving through the Flint Hills of Kansas on my way from Chicago to Winfield for the Walnut Valley Festival. It felt like going to another planet. As an early astronaut said of the surface of the moon, "Magnificent desolation." And as Jerry Rasmussen has written "I pity any dog that's lookin' for a tree!" Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: GUEST Date: 04 Aug 10 - 12:24 AM I read "Goddam Cattle" a couple of years ago and was very interested in the fact that Katy was friendly with James Grafton Rodgers the author of Santa Fe trail & Old Dolores.(Both great songs) I wrote to her in order to purchase a CD and when it arrived included was a nice hand written letter. Its great to hear that she is still singing. I am intending to do some snowbirding around that end of Arizona next winter. Hopefully I will have the opportunity to meet Katy in person. Eric Armstrong |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: GUEST,Guest Zeph Date: 04 Aug 10 - 02:38 PM A titbit which might be of some relevance here...in 1983 Kate Wolf wrote a song called "Old Jerome", about the city, but dedicated to Katie Lee, whom Kate Wolf met there and described as "a remarkable woman". The song has a line in it, "But there's a fire burning bright in Old Jerome", which is, I think,a reference to Katie Lee. I wonder if anyone can add anything further to this?? |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: open mike Date: 04 Aug 10 - 02:50 PM She lives in Jerome, AZ...an historic mining town . here is her song 10,000 Goddam Cattle in the digital tradition i could not find it with "search" but i see there is a link to it at the beginning of this thread HERE http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=41414#597640 is a song Kate Wolf wrote (Old Jerome) while visiting Katie Lee. |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Artful Codger Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:41 PM Just to correct a misleading impression: "10,000 Goddam Cattle" is technically Owen Wister's song ("Ten Thousand Cattle Straying"); and although few people use either the original tune, taken from a French opera, or the tune Wister later wrote and published, Lee did not write the tune in her book; it is "traditional". |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Desert Dancer Date: 05 Aug 10 - 04:37 PM Katie sang both Old Jerome and 10,000 Goddam Cattle in her short performance last weekend. My interpretation of "fire burning bright in Old Jerome", based on the brief intro to the song that Katie did then, is that it refers to the revival of the town by the artists and others who moved in in the '70s and later. ~ Becky in Long Beach, now |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Aug 10 - 08:12 PM Adding to Artful Codger's post, Katie said of TTGC- Katie said: "My melody was learned from the singing of Sam Hinton, La Jolla, Calif. 1948, though I had heard Shorty Mac and Buck sing and play different ones. Harland Thompson, a producer at Paramount studios wrote a verse in 1948, and one I have not included anywhere was sung with relish by Shorty Mac ten years before that. While in Hollywood a record company wanted me to do a sanitized version of this great song. I told them to go fry eggs on a spit, and for spite I now include ol' Shorts verse: I wisht I had a nickle For every single mile I've chased them fuckers outta the bush By Christ I'd have a pile, a pile. You bet I'd have a pile." About Owen Wister's tunes: Owen Wister wrote the words to Ten Thousand Cattle Straying in 1888 in Wyoming........ He put it to an air from an old French opera, which probably didn't make it sound very cattle-like. Later, in 1904 he composed another melody for it which was published by Witmark and used in the stage version of his famous novel The Virginian. That melody is also quite complicated for cowboy-style consumption, and bears no resemblance to the melody or words printed here, nor to what I've heard cow folks sing." pp. 229-230, Katie Lee, 1976, Ten Thousand Goddam Cattle, Northland Press, Flagstaff. |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Aug 10 - 08:18 PM Sheet music to the second Owen Wister song, TTCS, on line at University of Colorado Digital Sheet Music Collection, Music Library. |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Aug 10 - 08:26 PM Owen Wister's second tune and lyrics already posted by Artful Codger. Origins Ten Thousand |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Sep 11 - 02:13 PM An Arizona Legend: Jerome's Katie Lee to be inducted into Arizona Music Hall of Fame ~ Becky in Long Beach (when not in Tucson, Ariz.) |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: open mike Date: 29 Sep 11 - 02:50 PM Yes, this wonderful woman will be honored this weekend.. 33rd Annual Folk Music Festival in Prescott, Arizona on October 1, 2011 her web site has info about an exhibit at the Cline Library complete with a slideshow... http://www.katydoodit.com/pages/Katie_Cline_NAU.shtml |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Desert Dancer Date: 08 May 15 - 03:01 PM No particular music content here, but some great Katie Lee: a clip from the documentary DamNation -- 'DamNation': "Desert Goddess" Remembers Arizona's Glen Canyon ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Rex Date: 08 May 15 - 03:19 PM Hmm, seems I started this thread. Katie is still alive and kicking. She's had a few health issues which is to be expected for one who has seen 95 passes of the seasons. Just to make it handy, below is a link to her website where you'll find much of what is spoken above. Her recordings, books and movie/media appearances. Among them is her movie, The Last Wagon that she made as a documentary about cowboy song legends Gail Gardner and Billy Simon. Gail Gardner tells of writing his song, the Sierry Petes. Billy Simon sings Border Affair. You won't find these links to the past anywhere else. Rex Arizona's Real Katie Lee Website |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Desert Dancer Date: 22 Jul 15 - 08:41 PM Here is a recent feature on Katie, from Arizona Public Media (the Tucson-based PBS station). The River Woman ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Rex Date: 24 Jul 15 - 10:48 AM Hey Becky, thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen it. Rex |
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Subject: RE: Where is Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle) From: Desert Dancer Date: 02 Nov 17 - 01:17 AM Katie Lee passed away today at age 98. Arizona icon, Jerome?s Katie Lee, dies at age 98 JEROME ? Widely recognized as ?one of the Southwest's most outspoken and beloved environmental activists and authors? Arizona icon Katie Lee has died at the age of 98 at her home in Jerome. Lee passed away peacefully in her sleep Nov. 1, explained close friend Kathy Williamson. There will be a ?life celebration? for the famous Jerome resident, Williamson said, but no specific plans at this time. The news quickly spread through the small community Wednesday. Richard Martin, who owns Jerome Gulch Radio, was a long-time friend of Lee?s and said he talked to her two days ago. ?She sounded great,? Martin said. ?We had a great relationship. I was a kid from the West. She was kid from the West.? Martin said he met Lee when he was renovating her Jerome house and she asked him to scan some of her Grand Canyon slides that she took on the Colorado River before the Glen Canyon Dam was built between 1956 and 1966. Martin said these included old photos of the canyon, wooden boats and such. Martin said Lee refused to raft in the Grand Canyon after the dam was built. She called it a ?sewer, a septic tank,? Martin said. ?Katie was very a skillful writer,? Martin said. ?She really captured the feeling of the West.? Tommy Anderson, owner of Tommy Rocks in Jerome, said he just saw Lee at the Jerome Humane Society fundraiser a few weeks ago and she looked great. ?She was full of giggles and full of laughs,? Anderson recalled. Lee was also full of energy last May when she wrote the play: ?Maude, Billy and Mr. B.? at Mingus Union High School and came out on the stage at end of the play to join in a waltz. In an impromptu move, Lee started kicking her feet and legs up in the air toward the audience, Anderson said while imitating the move. Everyone else had to join in, he added. Stage and screen actress According to Arizona's Real Katie Lee Web Site, Lee, who was born in Tucson, ?began her professional career in 1948 as a stage and screen actress. She performed bit parts in motion pictures in Hollywood; had running parts on major NBC radio shows, including The Great Gildersleeve and The Railroad Hour with Gordon McRae; was an actress and folk music director on The Telephone Hour with Helen Parrish in the early 50s. ?Katie Lee is venerated as the most flamboyant of knights among a growing legion of pro-wilderness activists,? her web site bio states. ?Katie has taken up the torch that conservationists Edward Abbey and David Brower left burning after they died - to sing, write and lecture about the importance of preserving and restoring wilderness refuges; the histories of ancient races embedded in its sinuous sandstone canyons; and the lonesome characters the West still breeds. Today, her unwavering commitment to her principles and feisty eloquence are primarily directed at draining Powell Reservoir and freeing the Colorado River through Glen Canyon ?Her career odyssey began in Hollywood and ended in Jerome, AZ where she now lives. She has published five books, including a trilogy about Glen Canyon, recorded 14 CDs, made two DVDs, and has become much sought-after for appearances in TV shows and documentary films about the Southwest.? Lee came to Jerome in 1971 In an Oct. 20, 2014 feature story in The Verde Independent by Jerome historian Diane Sward Rapaport ? author of Home Sweet Jerome: Death and Rebirth of Arizona's Richest Copper Mining City ? Rapaport wrote that Lee had lived in Jerome since 1971 and is best known as ?one of the Southwest's most outspoken and beloved environmental activists and authors.? ?Ever since Glen Canyon was buried by Reservoir Powell,? wrote Rapaport, ?Katie Lee has sung, stomped, photographed, written about, fought to let the Colorado River run free. She has inspired many to reconsider the issue of dams, particularly the 'deadbeat' dams that have become obsolete, and to consider the considerable environmental damage they have spawned. ?Dam Dams? reads the license plate of her Prius.? 2014 ?Triple Career Milestones? Rapaport noted that 2014 was a year of ?Triple Career Milestones? for Lee. ?First she is one of the emotional stars of two films: "DamNation" and "Wrenched." Her latest book, The Ghosts of Dandy Crossing," was published in May by Ken Sanders' Dream Garden Press. Hance Editions in Flagstaff has just released a special edition of a dozen black and white classic portraits taken by photographer Martin D. Koehler of a nude Katie at 37 years old in the canyons of Glen Canyon that she so loved. No wonder Katie Lee is in a triple tizzy.? Her book, ?Ghosts of Dandy Crossing? is a triple love story,? Rapaport continued. ?The characters that lived around Dandy Crossing, now Hite Marina, before the river rose to drown it; the love of the beauty of Glen Canyon that would soon be drowned; and Katie's love affair with a a cowboy/miner. Katie is one of the few writers I know whose words can weave us into the magic spell that the canyons of the southwest have-and this book does it very well. The book is one of the few historical documents about the life lived in Hite Canyon before the dam.? The ultimate free spirit A free spirit who was known to have ridden her bicycle around Jerome in the nude, ?Anyone who has ever hiked or boated with Katie in the wilderness knows she will shed her clothes as quickly as she possibly can, and not put them on again until she gets close to her car,? Rapaport reported. ?In her words, [I have been] ?hiking freely and in tune with nature for at least half of those years. When I met Glen Canyon it was love at first sight- a place far from the inbred taboos of our society- closer to a dreamland than to reality. I have never posed as a model and am not doing so here ... only doing what I always did in Glen Canyon- climbing, dancing, walking, touching, talking to the stone, swimming in the river, lying in the shallows, sliding down the falls, crawling through ruins, inching up crevasses, hanging from tree limbs, covering myself with mud, playing, singing, living with the canyon. I can always tell when a model is photographed in a place she's never seen or experienced before; it's in body language that can't be hidden.?" Rapaport?s story in the Verde Independent continued that in 2014, ?Two films show Katie being interviewed and singing about the loss of Glen Canyon -- "Wrenched" and "DamNation." The film "DamNation" is a documentary about America's lost and endangered rivers and the dams that block them. Producers Travis Rummel and Matt Stoecker dub Katie Lee "The Grand Dame of Dam Busting." Rapaport continued: ?Producer ML Lincoln's film "Wrenched" is a gut-wrenching documentary about the community of activists that were inspired by the work of Edward Abbey, who wrote so eloquently about the lonesome and beautiful places of the Southwest. www.wrenched-themovie.com. Abbey fought with his pen to help prevent wilderness desecration from industries that care only for the money they produce. Today, profits from pollution are virtually synonymous with big business. Katie Lee sings and talks her way right into your heart in that film. "Wrenched" was shown in Flagstaff last week and the film received a standing ovation.? Arizona Music and Entertainment Hall of Fame Williamson said Lee was one of the first independent-label musicians, walking away from a major music label. In 2011, The Verde Independent reported that Lee was inducted into the Arizona Music and Entertainment Hall of Fame during an Oct. 1 ceremony at the Elks Theater in Prescott Lee joined a long list of Hall of Fame inductees, including Stevie Nicks, Dick Van Dyke, Tanya Tucker, The Kingston Trio and Steven Spielberg. Linda Ronstadt, another inductee, once told Katie, "I listened to your records since I was a kid." "Katie, through music and writing, has been an outspoken activist for the environment," said Noel Fray, Jerome resident and member of the Hall of Fame's board of directors. "I've known her for years. She has been a strong entertainer." At the time, the Sharlot Hall Museum in Prescott reported that "Katie Lee is an Arizona icon who began her career as a stage and screen actress before becoming a fixture in coffee houses and cabarets throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico as a folksinger. She has emerged as one of the Southwest's most outspoken environmental activists, using her music and feisty eloquence to both entertain and educate." In addition to her stage- and screen-actress career in such productions as ?The Great Gildersleeve? and ?The Railroad Hour? with Gordon McRae, Lee was an also an actress and folk music director on the ?The Telephone Hour? with Helen Parrish before leaving Hollywood to pursue her folk singing career. "In the beginning, I was working in coffee houses," she told The Verde Independent in 2011. "I was traveling by myself all over the United States in my T-Bird (1955). Just me and my guitar." Over the years, Lee built up an impressive list of credits. She has written books, songs and poems. Many of her photographs, songs and poems have been published in periodicals and anthologies such as Arizona Highways, Mountain Gazette, American Whitewater Journal and many others. In addition to recording numerous albums, Lee has been interviewed on National Public Radio, and she has been featured in television and independent film specials. She also has won a number of awards, including the Cine Golden Eagle. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle)(1919-2017) From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Nov 17 - 01:54 AM She sure was an interesting personality. May she rest in peace. Here's a recording of Katie Lee singing "Gunslinger": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjXv7g1l-Ss -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Katie Lee (10,000 Goddam Cattle)(1919-2017) From: open mike Date: 01 Nov 18 - 12:25 PM remembering the passing of the legendary Katie (10,000 God Dam Cattle) Lee. one year ago. A fighter, a lover and an inspirational character!! |
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