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Celebrating St David's Day

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Subject: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 02:52 PM

Llantrisant Folk Club is celebrating Dydd Gwyl Dewi - St David's Day - at a special singer's and players' night on Wednesday, March 1st. Welsh culture, her songs and music, will be highlighted, as well as the tradition of England and Europe - it's going to be a great night out, and it all takes place at The Windsor Hotel, Pontyclun, at 8.30pm. See you there!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 04:17 PM

I'll be at the Drovers in Carmarthen tucking into a nice bowl of cawl, some Welsh cheese and some Penderyn whisky. We're having a storytellers' night as well. Ought to be interesting (and delicious)!

Have a happy!

Pob hwyl
siân


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Chris in Wheaton
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:09 AM

It's not exactly folk, but the Song for Wales show will be webcast tomorrow -
Amy Wadge is a favorite.
http://www.s4c.co.uk/canigymru/e_webcast.shtml

Hwyl, Chris


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:29 AM

Hmph.

It's a shame more Americans of Welsh descent don't observe March 1st. In fact, the more recent "Celtic revivals" over here seem to barely acknowledge the Welsh--at least, by comparison to how strong representation is for the Gaels.

I've always wondered whether it was because Welsh immigrants here either settled in isolated pockets and kept to themselves (like the coal-mining communities in eastern Pennsylvania, where you'll find the really strict traditionalists to this day) or else got so assimilated into mainstream America, their descendants have no connection with their roots.

Dydd Gwyl Dewi hapus all the same. :)

~Fionn

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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:34 AM

Ah, St Davy's Day...a fine day for knocking someone's leek about their pate!

~D


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:50 AM

:::snicker:::

I always loved that bit from Henry V. :)

It's a bit frustrating that if you should try to observe the leek tradition in the States, you buy them from the grocer's and they're too darned thick and fat to stick in a hatband!

The stalk-ends that would otherwise fan out so nicely are always cropped too...sigh.

(Yes, there's always daffodils, but you just can't make good soup out of them afterwards.)

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:55 AM

God bless Wales and it's mountain bike trails!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 03:53 PM

I do hope that the heavy snow forecast for Wales tomorrow doesn't ruin too many St David's Day celebrations...


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:20 PM

Yes, it's all true about the gigantic American leek, but methinks that they're viewed as fairly esoteric item here in the colonies in any case. I live near Boston, and have actually had the experience of arriving at the grocery checkout with a bunch of leeks (I love 'em, especially in potato leek soup) and having the cashier have NO notion of what they were; a scandal!

~D


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Kaleea
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:24 PM

What is David the Saint of?


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 03:38 AM

Oh God - it's snowing heavily! Talbot Green is facing a white-out!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Splott Man
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 04:22 AM

Woke up to beautiful scenery this morning. The drive to work was something else though.
St David's day March in Cardiff, starting at Y Mochyn Du at 2.30 I believe. One day we'll get our national holiday back.

Hogiau Gororau are playing there lunchtime, then after the march they're coming to Llantrisant to do a mini spot.

Watch out for road closures in Cardiff tho' 'cos Betty's in town to open the new Assembly building.

Hwyl Fawr

Splott Man


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 04:27 AM

I expect the daffs will be tall enough for you to see the flower heads long enough to pick them.
And don't take a leek in the snow - they will know by the yellow marks ;@).
Enjoy your National day.
Quack!
Geoff.


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 04:31 AM

Dr Price, thanks for giving me a laff to start the day! Talbot Green and 'white out' in the same sentence!

Sorry - I'm lapsing into Canadian again!

Yep - it's white in Carmarthen town too, but it's more sleet than snow. Still, I imagine that panic is writ large across the county. I too hope that the celebrations won't be cancelled. It's great to go into town at lunchtime to hear some of the junior schools doing their party pieces. I used to have an office above the town square and we got a great view of all the junior school kids marching up to the town hall in their Welsh costumes. To adapt the old joke about the New York St David's Day parade: 5 miles long and 3 feet high.

I think I'll down tools at 11 to watch Lizzie open the Assembly building. Gotta get m'self down there for a guided tour.

Oh - and apparently Dewi is the patron saint of Wales, and doves. Go figure.

Oh look. It's snowing again.

sian


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:36 AM

Who was St David? The Wikipedia, the free internet encyclopaedia, does a much better job than I:

"St David, born in 521AD and died in 587AD, (known in Welsh as Dewi Sant) was a church official, later regarded as a saint and as the patron saint of Wales. David contrasts with other national patron saints, such as England's St George, in that relatively much is known about his life.

"Rhygyfarch wrote that David was the son of Sanctus Rex Ceredigionis, where Sanctus has been interpreted as a proper name and its owner honoured by Welsh Christians as St Sant, but the Latin phrase means "holy king of Ceredigion". The king of Ceredigion in the 510s was Gwyddno Garanhir, according to regional tradition. His title Garanhir (crane legs) certainly indicated spiritual accomplishment to the Druids who bestowed it. As son of King Gwyddno, David was grandson of King Ceredig, nephew of King Maelgwn of Gwynedd, and brother of Elphin, the heir to the Kingdom of Ceredigion and the foster-father and first patron of the bard Taliesin.

"He became renowned as a teacher and preacher, founding monastic settlements in Britain and Brittany in a period when neighbouring tribal regions (that were to be united as England three hundred years later) were still mostly pagan. He rose to a bishopric, and presided over two synods, as well as going on pilgrimages to Jerusalem (where he was anointed as a bishop by the Patriarch) and Rome. St David's Cathedral now stands on the site of the monastery he founded in a remote and inhospitable part of Pembrokeshire.

"The Monastic Rule of David prescribed that monks had to pull the plough themselves without draught animals; to drink only water; to eat only bread with salt and herbs; and to spend the evenings in prayer, reading and writing. No personal possessions were allowed: to say "my book" was an offence. He lived a simple life and practiced asceticism, teaching his followers to refrain from eating meat or drinking alcohol. His symbol, also the symbol of Wales, is the leek.

"The best-known miracle associated with St David is said to have taken place when he was preaching in the middle of a large crowd. When those at the back complained that they could not see or hear him, the ground on which he stood is reputed to have risen up to form a small hill so that everyone had a good view. The village which is said to stand on the spot today is known as Llanddewi Brefi. A more mundane version of this story is that he simply recommended that the synod participants move to the hilltop.

"The document that contains much of the traditional tales about David is Buchedd Dewi, a hagiography written by Rhygyfarch in the 11th/12th century. One of Rhygyfarch's aims was that his document could establish some independence for the Welsh church, which was risking losing its independence following the Norman invasion of England in 1066. It is significant that David is said to have denounced Pelagianism during the incident before the ground rose beneath him.

"William of Malmesbury recorded that David visited Glastonbury intending to dedicate the Abbey, as well as to donate a travelling altar including a great sapphire. He had a vision of Jesus, who said that "the church had been dedicated long ago by Himself in honour of His Mother, and it was not seemly that it should be re-dedicated by human hands". So David instead commissioned an extension to be built to the abbey, east of the Old Church. (The dimensions of this extension given by William were verified archaeologically in 1921.) One manuscript indicates that a sapphire altar was among the items King Henry VIII confiscated from the abbey at its dissolution a thousand years later. There are unverifiable indications that the sapphire may now be among the Crown Jewels.

"His last words, according to the Buchedd Dewi, were "Be steadfast, brothers, and do the little things".

"Unlike many contemporary saints recognised by the Welsh, David was canonised, by Pope Callixtus II in 1120."

(An interesting and very pleasing fact on this, our St David's Day: This morning I looked at the list of Mudcat threads, and topping the list there were no less than FOUR Welsh items of interest - The Valley Folk Club, Pontardawe; St David's Day; Easter at Miskin; and I've totally forgotten the last one! Like a rainbow, the list had faded in just a few moments - but it did my heart good!)


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:44 AM

Got it - it was a notice for a session, taking place in The Falcon, Godre'aman, on April 1st. My deepest apologies, Splott Man!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Splott Man
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 07:41 AM

The Kilbride Bros are also in town, Churchill Way around 1pm.

The building is open officially now, I work just down the road, so I can go to Assembly now before starting work, just like the old days.


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 07:57 AM

I'd wear a leek behind my ear, but there's none in the fridge (and my co-workers would look askance).

I was born in the mining country of Michigan's Upper Peninsula -- hence growing up eating pasties. Curmudgeon and I even served pasties at our (do it yourself) wedding reception.

Dinner well in hand!

Linn


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 08:11 AM

As it's St David's Day, see Tune Add: The Tops In National Anthems for a new take on how Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau came to be Wales' National Anthem!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 08:28 AM

So - the Senedd is now well and truly opened. Yea!

The Queen wore mink, or some other dead animal. Camilla had the world's biggest flower on her hat. Charles sported a spring onion; very nouvelle cuisine. Lizzie obviously hadn't been told of the Welsh tendency to double up on the chorus if the hwyl took hold, so moved off before the National Anthem was quite finished but, hey, I'm in a forgiving mood.

And didn't the building look BRILLIANT! Take the tour.

Re: the Welsh in Pennsylvania, one reason why we dispersed quite quickly after emigration was education. The Welsh were one of the most highly educated 'peasantry' in Europe (in English and in Welsh) so could quite quickly integrate into the broader society. This actually worked against maintaining the culture in an ex-pat context.

siân


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: David C. Carter
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 08:32 AM

I've had several calls this morning,one of them from my wife at work,telling me she's taking me to dinner tonight.We don't usually do this,because here in France, St David's Day falls on the 29th December.Who am I to argue!Have a good time everybody.

David


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Dave Earl
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 08:47 AM

Celebrate!! If only I didn't have to work.

David


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 09:31 AM

Ah! You mean, we can celebrate St David's Day in March AND in December? Hmmm. I like it!

siân


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: David C. Carter
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 09:45 AM

See you all after Christmas then!

David


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 10:28 AM

Just bought a small pot of dwarf-daffodils, a good red cheese, and the makings for a hearty leek soup later tonight. :)

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: SussexCarole
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 02:50 PM

Welsh sox in post Linn


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:11 PM

is this code??


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Splott Man
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 04:19 AM

Bat Goddess.

To cook a Welsh pasty properly, you have to steam it in an Expresso machine jet. The inside turns to a solid mush, the temperature of a volcano, and the crust turns to leather. Aah the wonders of Valleys Cuisine.


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 04:28 AM

Carole, that sounds like the penultimate line to that old joke:

The man from MI6 arrived in Llanlyfli with an urgent message for the government undercover agent, but he'd forgotten the house number. All he knew was the street and the name Jones. So he decided to find the first Jones in that street and knock on the door, which he did. Mr Jones comes to the door, and the man from MI6 whispers covertly, "Welsh sox in post Linn".

"Ah," beams Mr Jones. "You want number 6 - Jones the Spy"

Hmm. Maybe you need to be drunk for that one to really work ...

Had a really good day yesterday. Finished off with a double Penderyn and an evening of very funny poems and stories (by John Bilsborough) at my local. Just what a community festival / holiday should be. Roll on, Dec 28!

sian


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 07:57 AM

Relaying a message from Splott Man:

"Another great night at Llantrisant Folk Club last night. Over 20 bods including Hogiau'r Gororau from northeast Wales, and a bunch of the musicians from Y Mochyn Du. Also a couple of local guys who have a pop cover band who did a hilarious parody of James Blunt's Your Beautiful.


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Dr Price
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 08:10 AM

Splott Man, I'm confused. A SOLID MUSH? I think we should be told.


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 09:20 AM

Ah, Carole! Have you received the lobsters and moose?

Keep me posted! (she added conspiratorially)

Linn


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Splott Man
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 11:32 AM

Dr Price, you've obviously never had a Bracchi Steamed Pasty. It's an indescribable texture. Solid mush is the closest I can get.

thanks for the footnote Bat Goddess.

Oops. Has my cookie gone AWOL again?

Splott Man


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:02 PM

Good lord, the day's nearly over and we've overlooked the Gwyl Ddewi greetings!

I've been for my cawl and caws, had my sip of Penderyn and my pwdin Efa, worn m' daff into town and cooed at all the ciwt widdle kiddie-widdies in their costumes singing their party pieces out on the town square. Went to Google something and see that Google is all daffed up. All's right with the world!

So ... Gwyl Ddewi ddedwyd i chi i gyd! A blissful St David's Day to all!

As above, rejoice and "Do the little things!"

sian


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:37 PM

Ran a folk club for 25 years. Do they call me Dai the Folkie?
Brought up 5 kids. Do they call me Dai the Dad?
Have designed and built computer systems all over the world. Do they call me Dai the Computer?

One sheep, that's all it was. Just one...

Happy St David's day one and all and celebrate my Christening while you are at it. Mind you, someone baptised in a C of E church, by a Russian Orthodox priest being named after a Welsh saint is a bit much I suppose. Wonder what my great gran from Rhuddlan would have made of it:-)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: David C. Carter
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:18 PM

It's about 23:10 here,so just enough time to say Happy St David's day to everybody.

I spent the afternoon having a few sherberts in The Auld Alliance Pub, here in in Paris,Well,you do what you can!

Cheers
David


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:31 PM

Dave P - the Welsh are a truly wide church. Turns out that my friend's cousin Roger, with whom she had lost touch over the years, resurfaced, rebranded as Father Deiniol head of the Orthodox Church in Wales. Go figure! Even stranger that she recognized him behind the rather impressive beard he now sports. Interesting bloke: even has managed to start up an Orthodox choir in Blaenau Ffestiniog.

Dave C - your country salutes you.

sian


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: CET
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:48 PM

It's only 5.43 p.m. here, so there's still plenty of time to wish everyone a happy Saint David's Day. I wish I could down a Penderyn too, but the Liquor Control Board of Ontario doesn't carry it (and it's Lent and I've given up booze).

Sian, somewhere I have a cassette of Fr. Deiniol and crew singing the Orthodox liturgy in Welsh.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:12 PM

I'm actually a Man of Kent, but having studied at Bangor, I have a lot of affection for Wales. Dydd Dewi Sant yn hapus!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Dame Pattie Smith EPNS
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:45 PM

I had a great afternoon marching in the procession through Cardiff. I was behind the Adamant band (New Orleans Jazz) in full Welsh costume including tall hat carrying the flag of Owain Glyndwr. After on my way back to the car I got stopped so many times to have my photo taken and people ask questions about the procession. So before the day is out "Gwyl Dewi Sant Hapus" - Happy St. David`s Day


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Chris in Portland
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:59 PM

We're celebrating tomorrow and Saturday in Portland, OR.
I'll be singing in Welsh at the Artichoke coffeehouse on Friday, and with my band at the Welsh Society of Portland's 100th St. David's Day program on Saturday. Welsh culture is alive and well in Portland.
But the Chicago Welsh have us beat with their booking of Cerys Matthews for their St. David's Day dinner.
Gwyl Dewi Sant Hapus i chi gyd, Chris yn Portland
ps Saw Amazing Grace earlier today - great job, Ioan!!


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: GUEST,Cats
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 06:24 AM

As nearly half the staff at my school are either Welsh or of Welsh descent, it was given out in morning staff briefing that it was St David's day. There again in Cornwall we are your celtic cousins. Just wait for Monday - it's our St Piran's day.


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: sian, west wales
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 03:53 PM

CET - I know where there's 3/4 of a bottle of Penderyn sitting on a bedroom table in the Niagara Penninsula ... (I keep it there for emergencies on visits home!)

And that tape is pretty scarce these days. About time for Father D to get it on to CD. I passed his Church twice today. Shoulda called in ...

sian


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Subject: RE: Celebrating St David's Day
From: Anne Lister
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 04:56 PM

There I was, in prison in Portland, and telling Welsh stories to the prisoners. Couldn't get a leek anywhere, though. Should have picked a daff.
Oh, and that was Portland Dorset, by the way.

Anne


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