BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic

Subject: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: stevenrailing
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:16 AM

Sadly they seem so emotional ALL the time, and over-emotional people are always selfish i think, as they in think in terms of emotional gratification, either in a good way or bad way.

As for logic, it seems something alien to woman maybe? They can't think 10 steps ahead, all they see is the now in front of them.

Tell me all women are not the same?

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: GUEST,zigz
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:24 AM

Good one, stevenrailing !

ok, this thread is my fault, cos I asked if all men are selfish ! But, hey, rather than bow out, I am going to say that, well, yes, it might be ineteresting to have a chat about women ( perhaps )appearing to be emotional all the time and whether they have a problem with logic.

Anyone got any answers ?

( Heee heee !)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:24 AM

Stop being so hysterical and emotional. Calm down and give us some numbers and statistics to look at so we can make a rational and logical response.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Peace
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:26 AM

LOL

Good one, Carol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: nutty
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:27 AM

Please don't generalise. Everybody is different.

I get hell from my family because I abhor housework and do the absolute minimum. Not womanly you see ..... even got a subscription to Good Housekeeping Magazine as a Christmas present from my big sister.

BUT I love computers .... doing a maintenance course at present .... and hope to build my own soon. Definitely not womanly.

I am a good cook though .... I love cooking ..... but then, all the best cooks are men. Aren't they??

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:28 AM

Bleah! See my answer in the "are men all selfish" thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:36 AM

Of course women no less capable of thinking logically then men.






It's just they choose not to....
<>

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:40 AM

No, they are not incapable of it and are often better at it than many men or other women, and sometimes even moreso than dolphins, unicorns and Star Beings.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: LilyFestre
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:42 AM

Whew...what hole did you crawl out of? ;)

I agree that women (including myself) are more emotional but that doesn't mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that we can't think logically too.

I also think that how emotional a woman is has to do with hormone balance. I wish men could be in our shoes for just one month....I don't think this kind of question would ever be raised again! No woman that I know enjoys being emotional...hell, if it was just one or two emotions, that would be fine, but we get at least 5 different personalities (each with their very own strong emotions and thoughts) courtesy of mother nature.

You get erections and we have mood swings....I'd say both affect our thinking. ;P

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:46 AM

A wise man once said that womens biggest problem is that their ovaries clutter up their thinking.
Not me I hasten to add, I wouldn't dare!!

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Peace
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:47 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Peace
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:49 AM

Guys: I don't want to tell ya what to do, but if you have the brains God gave a turnip, it is a really good time to be QUIET.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:50 AM

What is it about my tounge-in-cheek posts that causes the cat to eat half of them!

Of course women no less capable of thinking logically then men.






It's just they choose not to....
He says, ducking, as Crystal come looking for him with a rapper sword and a chocolate shortage!

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 12:16 PM

No, they're not. THEY'RE JUST NOT, OKAYYYY!!!!!????

Oh, drop it. I don't want to talk about it...


;>)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 12:24 PM

Good grief. Talk about wide swings- from one side (at the mercy of our hormones) to the other (liking to work with computers)- surely, that should give us a hint that women are no less individualistic than men?

Most of the women I know are not subject to uncontrollable urges, whether it is to weep or to chatter or to giggle. The only time that I think it is normal to go through such turmoil is at menopause-and that, I submit, is as normal as turmoil at puberty. And related, as well. A great many things laid to hormones, in my opinion, are unresolved psychological issues.

I don't think men are less emotional. They have different ways of showing turmoil, however.

As for female hormones versus testosterone- well, which one lends itself more to aggression?

Not that I'm opinionated.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 12:58 PM

Man, are you suicidal!??

'Tis often said by male chauvinist piggies that women's judgment is impaired by their hormones. Okay, I'll buy that, up to a point (but I won't pay much for it!). But think on this:    because women's hormones generally follow their regular biological cycle (normally 28 days), their moods are relatively predictable. The woman in question has a pretty good idea of how she's liable to be feeling within a given period of time within that cycle and may very well defer judgment on an important matter until she knows that her thinking will not be influenced by whatever mood swings she may feel subject to.

Men's moods, on the other hand, are not that cyclic and predictable. There are all kinds of things that can set off a testosterone attack. On an otherwise pleasant morning, as the boss is driving in to work, someone cuts him off in traffic, triggers a surge of adrenalin and testosterone, a veritable a cocktail of rage, and he spends the rest of the day at work ripping people's heads off.

I would be a lot more comfortable with a woman president than with a man—especially considering the events of recent years.

There is nothing rational about the Iraqi war. It floats on an ocean of testosterone.

"Bring it on!!"
                —George W. Bush (doing his John Bloody Wayne impression)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Peace
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 01:04 PM

Margaret Thatcher then having had too much testosterone?

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 01:42 PM

Sharp tongues at twenty paces, stevenrailing? Or perhaps you'd like to duke it out at the keyboard? You're in dangerous waters, fella. Listen to Amos and Don and Bruce. They know what they're talking about.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 02:01 PM

I just keep thinking of the line that Norm gave on Cheers -
"You know the saying - women, you can't live with them. Pass the beer nuts".

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 02:03 PM

I wish men could be in our shoes for just one month....I

you'd know what a drag it is to be you.....

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 03:05 PM

"Are women incapable of thinking in logic?"

no. They just pick & choose when & how to indulge.....just as men do, though often in different situations.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 04:09 PM

Oh yeah! Just look at folks like Grace Hopper and Ada Byron Lovelace and Marie Curie and Sandra Day O'Connor and Sister Mary Celine Fasenmyer and Hypatia and Elena Lucrezia Cornaro Piscopia and Theano and Caroline Herschel and....

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:11 PM

but can they cook?

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:15 PM

Individual differences always outweigh inherent differences between gender, culture, race, etc. and thus make stereotyping a useless practice at best, a hurtful, obfuscating and destructive one at worst.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:46 PM

I know that in jr. high school, the most interesting, intelligent, reasonable people I saw were female. I never lost that perspective that some women had every ability and talent that some men did.

Many years later, I was complemented by a woman (temporary girlfriend) for not insisting that *I* carry the groceries home from the store and for allowing her to choose, decide, and have opinions without judging them as 'women's. It pleased me a lot to have my attitude noticed.

(and, of course, there are women who would have been insulted if I didn't carry the groceries....*shrug*. I try to read what make people comfortable.)

short answer...it's dangerous to generalize too much...even if stand-up comedians make their living exploiting stereotypes

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: LilyFestre
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:48 PM

Mabye I painted to strong of a picture about hormones....I didn't mean that leads to uncontrollable weeping, etc...but they certainly do have an effect!

And Brucie....The longer I know you, the smarter I KNOW you are!

Guys: I don't want to tell ya what to do, but if you have the brains God gave a turnip, it is a really good time to be QUIET

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:03 PM

" the brains God gave a turnip"

the line I always liked was "The brains god give a retarded rubber duck"

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: M.Ted
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM

Women tend to be more quick witted than men--better verbal skills, better organizational skills, way better social skills. Women are smart enough to obscure their thought processes enough so that men cannot anticipate what they are thinking, or what they are going to do.

Men tend to think that anything they don't understand must not be logical, and so women are not logical.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 07:13 PM

" Women are smart enough to obscure their thought processes enough so that men cannot anticipate what they are thinking, or what they are going to do."

ummm...I'm not sure I consider that to BE smart. Handy in 'some' circumstances, perhaps...briefly....but I am attracted to women who strive to be VERY clear in most things. It can ease communication a lot. ;>)

Do the women here actually cultivate that ability? and if so, why?

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 07:46 PM

I was playing poker on line this week when a fellow player asked where I was from. I responded "Maine". He said Germany (meaning he was from Germany) and I said "No, U.S.". DOH Guess I wasn't thinking logically.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:06 PM

Well, steven, ol' Bobert will set you straight here since I haoppen to be a trained observer of womenz and what I have scientifically concluded is that they is all nuts!!! Now you can't argue with science, can you??? Nope the Womenz people is all wired wierd... No, make that real wierd...

I have used the example of the grocery store in the past... Aman goes into the grocery store and fully expects to have to pay for the groceries... Right??? Now a womans goes into the grocery store and when it comes to checking out they have the deer-in-the-headlights look on their womenz faces (which I might add, look a lot better than us men...) when the cashier says that will be $_______... It don't matter how much or little the groceries are its like the first time they ever been told that would, ahhhhh, be asked to pay for the groceries... Am I right???... Then they indignantly go thru their purses trying to figure out how they are going to pay foer the groceries... Meanwhile, behind them in line are several men who not only know they have to pay for the groceries but they already have their money or credix card out to do so...

See... Wiring problem... Same womanz can go to the grocery store a thousand times and still never figure it out???

But they is purdy and we loves 'um even if they are all nutso...

... so repeat after me, steve, an' tyhis little situat5ion that you have going will just disappear. Ready? Here goes: "Womens is nutz but they cook better and look better than Bubba..."

There, that's all you need to know, steve...

Dr. Bobert
(PHD in womenz and other natural disasters...)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: LilyFestre
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:33 PM

Bobert,

    My experience has been completely opposite of what you just posted! Women KNOW what their bill will be as most of us have it budgeted out long before we ever got to the store. Perhaps that deer in the headlight look is because something got rung up incorrectly, hmm? I can only speak for myself here, but I have the check made out and the check register all ready made out...all I need is the total before I ever get the cashier. My stuff is also on the belt in order...heavy stuff first (goes in the cart first...dog food, cat food, water, laundry detergent, canned goods, etc.), produce and crushables last. I have NEVER seen a man do that...EVER.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:35 PM

We got better things to worry about, Michelle.   ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: LilyFestre
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:44 PM

Better? Hmm..maybe you do and maybe you don't (and really, this isn't a worry at all!). That is a teeny, tiny portion of life, certainly nothing huge. I'll wager you are the man pitching a hissy fit when your bread is all smushed though....

And if ya'll have better things to think about, Bobert wouldn't be here with his observation, would he? Hmm?

:) Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:45 PM

Well, steve, ol buddy...

Firget everything I just tolt you about womenz... Me and the Wes Ginny Slide Rule is going back to the drawing board and do a little more scratchin' since it has come to our attention that there is one womanz out there who actually understands the grocery store...

There must be a better explaination and we're on the case, pal, so don't fret 'er loose no sleep over it, ya' hear but keep them last words of wisdom close to heart: "Them womens cook and look better than Bubba..."

Them words is gonna have to holt you 'til me and the WGSR can get this thing rethinkerated correctly...

Doc Bobert
(PHD in womenz but still on the case, too...)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:50 PM

" I have NEVER seen a man do that...EVER. "

*grin*...follow me sometime, Michelle. I used to teach grocery checking and bagging groceries, (back when it was an art to pack paper bags so they wouldn't tear), and I often insist the checker let me do it myself. (Many checkers totally ignore the sane pattern I set the groceries out in, even when I put my mesh bags between each section).

Hey, Bobert...I suspects you are generalizing again...*grin* (all Indians walk in single file...at least the Indian *I* saw was walking in single file)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 09:03 PM

I'll wager you are the man pitching a hissy fit when your bread is all smushed though...."


Not if I did the smushin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 09:06 PM

Now, now, now, Bill...

Me and Al Gore invented the grocery bag, gol danged it and there ain't nuthin that you and Michelle could teach either of us about packing groceries... No sir (and mame...)...

Plus, when I was a freshmen in college I worked nights at Giant Food and not only honed my skills as a packer but also "division"... Ya see that was way back when stuff was like 3 for 79 cents and the customer only wanted two and you had to do the math in yer head and punch in the correct amount on the cash register...

"Generalize"??? Me???

Dr. Bobert
(PHD in grocery bags and generalizations...)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: LilyFestre
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:02 PM

Bobert....LOL....*G*

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:30 PM

yeah, yeah, Bobert...I did that division. I ran a manual NCR cash register (with the subtotal bar and all, and a crank for when the power was off). I taught division (3 for 79¢ is a relatively hard one...27¢ apiece)and packin' the bags and making change and had a couple of aisles I had to order and stock, too. (candy & gourmet). And I won bets as to whether I could pick up 4 (four) loaded bags and two gallons of milk (in the glass jugs) and carry them to the car in one trip. (not a sane bet, but fun to collect)....*sigh*..."It was all so different before everything changed."

Now I shop at Trader Joe's for as much as I can, 'cause they still have decent paper bags that you can pack right.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:45 PM

Funny. I, to, did the grocery store; only we did it all on paper, jotting down the items and tallying them up afterwards. Got real fast at multi-column 'rithmeticking, which has stood me in good stead ever since. Bagged 'em, hauled the crates and the cartons, made the sodas and weighed the hamburger.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: GUEST,M.Ted
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:00 AM

BillD--You kind of miss the point, which is that if someone knows what to expect from you, they can control you--if they don't, you are in control.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: GUEST,stevenrailing
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:19 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: M.Ted
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM

Women tend to be more quick witted than men--better verbal skills, better organizational skills, way better social skills. Women are smart enough to obscure their thought processes enough so that men cannot anticipate what they are thinking, or what they are going to do.

Men tend to think that anything they don't understand must not be logical, and so women are not logical.

I'm going to presume you have not had much experience with women!

Quick witted? Have you ever over-heard the 'wit' you profess women spout in your local supermarket with each-other?

Verbally better?????????????? You start a debate with your woman, you put forward your reasons why, she sees that in fact you were right, then says "oh god, shut up, just drop it". verbal skills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obscure their thought process? that is one way of putting it mildly. You are exactly right about men not anticipting what women think, how could we? We think logically.......THEY DON'T!

I love my girlfriend, but damn she is an absolute mind=numbingly stupid brain at times!

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: LilyFestre
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 06:30 AM

Steven...your woman must not have much logic if she puts up with your stereotyping of women. If you date in the Land of Dumb, don't carry such high expectations!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 06:53 AM

regarding a systematic analysis of intelligence determination by gender, meta-analysis provides a way to combine findings from empirical studies using strict methodological requirements. Cross-cultural psychology can benefit from meta-analysis in two ways; (1) it summarizes the outcomes of many (cross-cultural) studies on a particular topic, and (2) it identifies variables explaining cross-cultural differences. Meta-analysis is: ''the statistical analysis of a large collection of analysis results from individual studies for the purpose of integrating the findings''. In order to perform a meta-analysis on gender and IQ, research reports in the literature are searched in a systematic way and coded on a number of sample-related and study-related variables, as well as on statistics for calculating effect sizes. An effect size is a standardized measure of the relationship between an independent variable (such as gender, culture, or treatment) and a dependent variable (such as scores on a self-report questionnaire or performance on a test) in a specific meta-analysis (see Box 1 for an example of an effect size calculation). An overall estimate of the strength of the relationship between independent and dependent variables results from combining effect sizes from all included studies. Also, coded sample and study characteristics are used to identify moderators. These are variables that influence the relationship between the independent and dependent variables. Moderator variables explain part of the variance in the effect sizes. For example, in the comparison of results from the above-mentioned Australia/Argentina and Bulgaria/Belgium cognition studies, the complexity of the task may be moderator variable (i.e., simple or complex), as well as the cultural distance between the countries in the comparison. After careful analysis of all the definitive findings, women were found to out-perform men in all meta-tasks related to intelligence quotienct and practical idea fomentation. Findings in 14 parallel studies came to the conclusion that malle testosterone interferes with brain maturation and dveleopment from ages 13-24, and the empiracla evidence suggests that men never catch up, hence, the high numbers of men in jail, men in institutions, and men in sandals wearing socks.

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 07:04 AM

Yes they are, see the post above for evidence!

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 07:07 AM

pull your socks up, ted!

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 07:21 AM

I have evolved a system for the supermarket which involves those collapsible crates you buy in hardware stores. I just put all the small stuff and vegetables on the belt first, then the tall stuff that would stop me stacking the crates together go on the belt last, and the cool box stuff goes on last.
Even the checkout staff are impressed, and it takes a lot to wake them up! Loading the car is as easy as 1-2-3.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 07:27 AM

This explains it all... Now I know why the womenz is so perplexed at the Farm Fresh check out counter...

They are way too busy thinking of stuff like Freda...

And after reading Freda tretise me and the Wes Ginny Slide Rule now have the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle and so I would like to enter Freda's post as Exhibit A in my argument that womenz is all bonkers and nutso...

And fir the record, I don't wear no socks with sandals, thank you...

Dr. Bobert
(back to PHD in observations of womenz and other related usless pursuits...)

Subject: RE: BS: Are women incapable of thinking in logic
From: GUEST,M.Ted
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 09:10 AM

I don't know Stevenrailing, the evidence that you present here mitigates toward you being the one who is mind numbingly stupid--who, for instance, would base their view on half the human race on something they overheard at the supermarket?