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BS: Sir Paul & the seals

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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 03:05 PM

The Inuit don't think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 03:11 PM

Perhaps the affinity is due to the walrus?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 03:15 PM

Koo koo ka choo?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Sonny Barger
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:43 PM

Look gnu, You got that story a bit twisted there. It was actually you I told to lay off the hogs. I also tipped the gas guy $400 U.S. Is Mick Jagger gonna be protesting this Seal pup hunt. If so, let your friends over in Newfoundland know, we will be showing up if he does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:44 PM

Again, I must point out that I am not "in favour of killing seals". I have been against the killing of seals since 1983. I stayed at a boarding house in Makkovik, Labrador, while working on a survey crew on the construction of the airstirp in that rugged and beautiful spot.

We had seal for supper the first night after we arrived. We had seal for breakfast the next morning. We had seal for lunch, supper, breakfast, lunch, supper.... you get the idea. Finally, I asked Missus if there was else to eat. She offered caribou stew. I was elated. Until... well, let's just say there was no meat in it. But, I did not, and have not eaten seal since. If I ever eat seal again, I'll be as hungry as those who try to scratch a living out of sea, those whom Paul thinks are barbaric.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:57 PM

Gee... I just heard Paul talk on ATV. He made some good points. I was impressed. The lad seems to be getting up to speed. Thank goodness. Perhaps, if everyone were to get up to speed, we could see eye to eye without all the bullshit. And get down to the real problem, which is why I started this thread.

Save the Beatle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:08 PM

Love ya, katdarlin, but I have to challenge one of your premisies. You said:

Better Nature than humankind which is supposed to be of such high consciousness

Why is it better that nature does it? Dead is dead. Nature often kills with much more cruelty and pain than does man. As to the consciousness of man, I would agree that much has been fouled up in the name of providing for mankind. And only mankind has the ability to affect whatever repairs need to be done. Much of what has been fouled has been done in order to provide habitat for humans. That is not to say that rampant sacrifice of resources to the detriment of our Mother is OK. It is to say that emotional comments without basis in fact are just as egregious from one side of the spectrum as the other.

Wo/Man is a predator. More importantly s/he is this way naturally. One need only look at ones teeth in a mirror to know that we are thus. Wo/Man has killed species for food and clothing for its entire history. This also is a naturally occurring condition. Further, every tribe, clan, group has taken animal hides, bones, and body parts for ornamentation. Whether they prayed to the Great Spirit in thanks for the gift, or they hooted into a cellphone to brag about the kill, this is a kill none the less.

The real question for me is whether there are alternatives, and should we force them on a people who have been doing this for generations. The first question is essy. Of course there are, but they require a committment of dollars (read that taxes), and many of those that cry for the seal pups are unwilling to pay. The second is much trickier. I do not believe that we should force anyone to give up their way of life, provided they are not endangering the species. These hunts are controlled very well, and apparently there is a market for the product. I can see no reason to force a people to live as something other than what they are, just because I am uncomfortable with the act of killing. I am also uncomfortable watching livestock being slaughtered, but I am not giving up eating meat anytime soon.

Death is death, Sir Paul. I wonder how many animals died from the pollutants created in the process of creating your synthetic parka? Wearing leather? You know the rest. I appreciate that you are committed, but I think your judgement is off a bit on this.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:23 PM

I'm impressed you're impressed, gnu. I also think you've come close to the truth with the 'eye to eye, cut the bullshit' statement. There are those in the shadows who would inflame the passions of either side in order to avoid tackling the fundamental problems around issues like this.

You may remember the problems we had in the 80s in BC with old growth forest. It became tree-huggers vs lumberjacks and got more and more bitter and divisive. While they fought it out McMillan-Bloedel et al quietly took the trees, took the money, took the jobs and buggered off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:34 PM

he's a seal nowhere man


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnomad
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 08:16 PM

"Save the Beatle" eh Gnu? Dunno how to put this gently, so I'll just come straight out;

The survivors seem to have stopped breeding (may still be able, I dunno, but they ain't...producing) so I suspect your cause may be doomed, sorry.

OTOH, I wonder if anyone's tried taking cuttings, there must be a lot of DNA in souvenir albums to work from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 08:46 PM

Well if you arn't from Newfoundland and you didn't have Uncles DIE triing to feed thier families on the ice because there is no other choice, and you believe all the shit that greenpeace tried to spew about the hunt being inhumaine than you my friend don't know what your talking about and you should Shut the fuck up!

I'll bet that the cows that Pauls daughter had killed for the leather for her fucked up fashion shows would have loved to be Killed quickly by a fast blow to the head instead if a slit throat!

I say we reunite the beatles! Paul should be with John and George instead of talking shit about things he's never known about.

They were the new kids on the block of the 60's anyway!

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:16 PM

You heard it folks The all knowing Paul says Whale Watching is one of the top industries.

Thats what we do here in Ontario!
And on the Praries.

What a wanker

Chapman you got the wrong one!

Heather is a bimbo as well.

If Larry calls it NewFINland again I'm gonna shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:23 PM

"Chapman you got the wrong one!"

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: bobad
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:25 PM

Hey, do you think Paul Anka would try something like that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:31 PM

Now the fuckers lieing about Stella using leather How convienent

Go stop the Fox hunt that is still happining in your country for sport

Or the inhumaine playing of the beatles shitty music!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:39 PM

When did heather get her PHD in vetrenary med? O thats right she's only a gold digging starfucker and should shut the fuck up!

I haven't been so upset at ignorance for a while!

When given facts like 90% are shot and seal overpopulation the McCartneys are ignoring the facts and not listening!

ASSHOLES


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:45 PM

They are messing with peoples lives spreading lies!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:48 PM

"But if this ever changing world
In which we're living
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die"

Lyrics by Sir Paul


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:53 PM

When invited to newfoundland Paul said we're here! He can't tell PEI fron NFLD

Meanwhile heather won't shut up and listen to the anwsers she's asking for!

Lets club her!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:59 PM

"Williams suggested the pop icon duo were misinformed, noting that Paul McCartney had thought his protest trip Thursday had taken him to Newfoundland, when in fact he was in Prince Edward Island and later Quebec."

Hope someone tells him where his arse is, just in case he needs the bathroom while he's out an about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 10:20 PM

Cut the old fab some slack. He never was any good at giving speeches, remember. Paul always was the boring one. And just because he sold a few hit records doesn't mean he knows shit about life outside his mansion. His life's been unreal and disconnected since his early 20s. He's just trying to do something he feels is constructive with the steady media attention he's had dogging him his whole adult life. He's just been misinformed by those who've recruited him and prodded him out there for the media attention he'll garner "for the cause".


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 10:40 PM

They where promoting Whale watching ... that in itself is pathetic and cruel .... everytime a whale surfaces here in the Fundy (during the summer) a flotilla of boats arrive, filled with tourists, literally racing from every which direction chasing the hapless animal ..... as if that isn't terrifying the creature.

I'm wondering why the humane society of the U.S. is involved in the Macca's publicity venture ... I'm sure there are many issues in their own back yard that deserve some high profile attention ... did the Macca's consult the humane society of Canada??

Overall ... it appears the Macca's should obtain more info ... or better still find a more urgent cause.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Boab
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 01:59 AM

When the first Scandinavians arrived in the north east coastal waters, they found waters teeming with cod. And seals by the hundred-thousand. I wonder who upset the balance? A long look in the nearest mirror would bring the answer to many. That many communities now depend upon this slaughter for much of their income is unfortunately too true. That this is so is a natural consequence of taking the too obvious and easy course---kill seals, sell furs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:43 AM

I had a sneaky suspicion all along the it was the Scandinavians! Ever since I stayed at ANDERSON'S boarding house in Makkovik, Labrador, and was fed seal every meal. That seals it for me. I'm gonna ring up Paul and tell him to go straight to Scandinavia!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 07:07 AM

absolutely! bloody norwegians, they pick on those little sardines cos they can't defend themselves


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 07:58 AM

Of course man has destroyed more of the fishstock than seals! Bottom draggers harvesting fish is like digging carrots with a bulldozer. It destroys most of the crop and ruins the garden for future use, but it sure gets those carrots out of the ground in a hurry.
As the fishstock declined man refined his searching using sonar in order to locate and harvest more and more fish from a shrinking resource, until there was an insufficient breedstock to maintain the species. Only then did we stop this fishery, and we are now trying to allow it to recover. Seals always ate fish without threatening the species but that is no longer the case. Today the seals are eating the few fish left that are desperately needed to rebuild the stock. Unfortunately for the seal at this point he must pay to fix the problem even though it was not one of his creation. There seems to be no other solution now other than to reduce the seal population to try to put nature back in balance.
By the way there are still many draggers from Europe crossing the Atlantic to pillage the remaining stock of fish on the fringes of Canadian territory. Perhaps Sir Paul would do better to protest in Spain or Portugal.
         Obie


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 08:04 AM

Portuguese. Spaniard. I think the penalty for uttering these words in Newfoundland would... aaaaccckkkk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Mooh
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 08:13 AM

The guy is overly self-righteous. I couldn't take any more after Silly Love Songs or whatever drivel that was. Larry King makes a fool of himself, Paul comes off a conceited over-funded, under-educated meddler, and patient Canadians are thinking, "This will pass, but why does he have to crap in OUR nest?".

Bet the wimpy bastard couldn't survive in the north for a winter, but I'm not sure what would get to him first, the meat, or his arrogant indignant condescension.

Paul should take his values to some part of the world where he can literally stand in the way of the bullet or better, the club, and where the natives aren't as polite as Canadians.

Respectfully, fuck off Paul.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 08:47 AM

There is a preponderance of overly self-righteous eejits in this thread, that's for sure.

Why do I get the feeling that this is another one of those "traditional manly pursuits" arguments?

It's always the same old justifications about why a handful of men should continue to be allowed a bit of barbarity:

A. My father's father's father...

B. It feeds me family...

C. It is a noble livelihood...

D. It is one of the rare bloodsports men can engage in for camraderie...

Or just choose all of the lame excuses above if you like.

This barbarity is no different (as someone pointed out early on) to the barbarity of Calgary, cock fighting, bullfighting, trophy hunting, dog fighting, fox hunting, etc etc ad nauseum.

It's what men are allowed to do when they aren't allowed to kill each other.

I disagree this is a pointless exercise because of the size of the seal population, or because there are other much worse things to worry about (fill in the blank--Katrina, Iraq, Darfur, the whales, etc). It is never a pointless exercise to shame barbarous traditions out of existence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 09:02 AM

Oh, by the way--here are two links to excellent animal rights organizations with great information to counter the Mudcat pro-seal slaughter propaganda. I donate to PETA regularly, and when word went out around the world about the unbelievable increase in the slaughter this year, I also donated to one of the organizations fighting it:

http://www.harpseals.org/index.html

http://www.peta.org/


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM

And this one is for all you manly, traditional men to revel in.

Eat a steak for Christ, boys. We are all so relieved to know you are doing your part to defend the traditions that keep JLo and Paris Hilton in fur.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 09:13 AM

Who was it that once said " There are two sides to every story, lies and damn lies." It is too bad that we often swallow popaganda rather than make any effort to search for truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:00 AM

So Obie, where do you suggest a reasonable person goes to seek the truth about the global industries that thrive on animal abuse?

A field trip to a corporate fir or hog farm, or maybe your friendly neighborhood slaughterhouse? Or on those noble high seas so many here love to sing about, on a factory fish boat?

To the skinning factories?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:06 AM

I've been an active member of People for the Eating of Tasty Amimals all my life. But, I don't care for seal... or caribou... especially caribou stew made with only the tallow. It sticks to the roof of your mouth. And it stinks. Of course, you'd stink too if you were shot in summer and stuck on top of a pole to keep the flies off you because there was no refrigeration.

That reminds me of the caplin in Nain, Labrador. Since they can't be stuck on a pole, they were simply thrown on a roof. Near gagged the first time I saw a roof covered with caplin and the caplin covered with flies. Too bad Sir is a vegan type of vegetarian. He might have enjoyed sampling such a culinary delight.

I hope none of these guys ever find out about Dog Island. Bad Nagooktooks! Bad!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:11 AM

Actually gnu, according to today's National Post:

Jack Troake, a Newfoundland sealer with 55 years experience, admitted that the arrival of the McCartneys on the protest scene is a concern.

Troake has seen his share of protesters - from fur-clad B-movie stars to radical vegans - but the McCartneys are in a class of their own when it comes to star power.

"I'm certainly concerned about this lad," said the Twillingate fisherman, who can remember when French film star Brigitte Bardot caused a sensation when she showed up to protest the fishery in 1972.

"He's a much more powerful person."

Time for the sealers and their apologists to wake up and smell the coffee. The lads thought they could score some points by publicly mocking and belittling Heather, and win some sympathy.

They are about to be taught an important life's lesson: don't mess with a woman who lost a leg and gained a cause.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:12 AM

Love you, too, Mickdarlin', but it's called Evolution and with our supposed higher consciousness we are supposed to evolve from the barbarous slaughters, etc., IMO. At least you admit you can't stand to watch the beef slaughtered that you eat. If everyone who ate meat had to kill their own, I think a lot more people would be vegetarians. I said let Nature, knowing how cruel it can seem to us, BUT it is NATURE, even if it is out of whack because of human(un)kind.

I also agree with some points which the last few "Guests" have posted. I think there are a bunch of self-righteous prats posting to this thread who have never liked the Beatles and are letting their jealousy and hatred of them cloud any fair assessment of the whole situation.

I know this won't change the kill-the-seals campaign being waged here, so I am out of this thread, now.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

You may be surprised gnu, to know I am not a vegetarian. But I don't support corporate farming or buy meat from grocery stores. I only buy animal products from sources that are first and foremost SUSTAINABLE. Corporate farming and corporate factory fishing, is simply not sustainable. But I also believe in that "ethical treatment of animals" part of the PETA name.

I have rancher friends, who earn their living selling calves and cattle.

I have dairy farmer friends, who earn their living selling animal products.

I also know there is folklore galore from among those folk, about people who abuse their pets, livestock, and loved ones--for good reason. People who live in agricultural communities have long known that sort of behavior was bad for people and animals, because abuse of other living beings is a sign of sickness and disease that can bring great harm to small, self-contained communities.

Sealers need to made extinct, for the good of their small communities, for the good of Canada, and for the good of the world. Just like the whalers. It's that simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:27 AM

Are youse suggesting we prats prate and prattle until pratfall?

Me arse, I say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:45 AM

Well, what's the solution you are offering, gnu? The status quo?

This unprecedented increase in the quota for the seal hunt was a calculated political move by the conservative right wing political factions in Canada, to separate the working class (and their middle class romanticizers such as the many who populate this sort of "folk" forum) from the progressive social movements of the day.

It's a very clever right wing wedge issue, that puts the working class good ole boys on the same side of fence as the corporado good ole boys working against the working class' best interests!

This is Divide and Conquer 101.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 11:13 AM

Oh and another thing--if you think Ottawa is "protecting the livelihoods and way of life" of PEI or Newfoundland, think again.

Each boat with a 12 man crew brings in about $100,000 a day during the hunt. The unprecedented increase in the quota, to nearly a million seals/year, was done not for the sake of the locals, but to reintroduce the big money hunt by commercial interests, whom the Ottawa politicians can benefit from mightily through legalized political graft like "campaign contributions" and token taxing of the hunt. Then you'll hear the politicians say the hunt brings in desperately needed tax revenues for welfare mothers...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 11:14 AM

Common sense would pose questions that fools would refuse to contemplate, and objective facts and subjective belief become mixed.
I have no axe to grind for or against the sealing industry. I do however have many friends who are fishermen and even a few fisherwomen,most of whom never killed a seal in their lives. (I refuse to use the term fishers) The fishery's recovery is in great peril and now the high seal population is part of the problem. It changes nothing to speculate how we got into this mess. What we need is some objectivity to find a way out. The bottom line is that there are too few fish and too many seals. Seals are in no way endangered as a species but northern cod most certainly are. Maybe a codfish is not as cute as a baby seal but why is the life of one more valuable than the other?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 11:18 AM

No, the seals aren't part of the problem. Corporate floating fish factories are the problem.

If you seriously believe that local fisherman and the seals are the cause of the depletion of the cod fisheries, you don't know jack shit about fish or fishermen, much less their way of life.

The problem isn't too many seals. The problem is too many people around the world eating cod as a cheap food source at a McDonalds near you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 11:34 AM

Oh, and I forgot to mention--the reason why the North Atlantic cod fisheries haven't rebounded the way the Norwegian and Russian cod fisheries have?

Gross negligence and mismanagement by the Canadian government.

We are seeing just one more example of that idiocy with the reintroduction of the seal hunt, being offered as an economic solution to Ottawa fucking up management of the North Atlantic ocean fisheries real good. In other words, it's a form of bribery to the cod fishing industry, who ain't makin' any money off the cod anymore. Instead, they are makin' money off J Lo in fur bikinis.

This isn't just about "oh, those poor wee baby harp seals are so cute, please don't hurt them..." Environmentalists and animal rights activists aren't nearly as stupid as greedy "traditional" and "traditional corporado" men (and their romantic apoligists) are.

Overfishing is a major environmental problem and a serious economic and food security issue. Annual catches hover around 100 million tons and are worth nearly $100 billion. About 15 percent of all animal protein we consume comes from the seas, and as many as one billion people in low-income countries are dependent on seafood for protein.

Ocean fisheries, referring to both stocks and the boats that harvest those stocks, are found in some of the most productive and richest marine environments on Earth. If a fish stock collapses, a "hole" can be created in the food web and disrupt the whole ecosystem.

Also, some fishing gears, like traditional shrimp trawling nets, result in excessive catches of nontarget species, called "bycatch." Bottom trawls can damage sensitive marine habitats, and a variety of gears can kill marine mammals, seabirds, sea turtles and fish. Gear modifications can reduce these impacts, but it's difficult to avoid them completely.

I happen to love seafood, steaks, venison, and duck. I'd like my great-grandchildren to be able to enjoy eating them too. But it's people like the self-righteous breast beaters here, screaming about how Sir Paul is the cause of all fisher folk's woes, who are the eejits. We need to fight for sustainable fisheries. And re-opening the barbaric Canadian seal hunts is NOT part of the solution, it is part of the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 12:21 PM

There is no such thing as over fishing, there are too many people in the world and they need food. People don't risk their lives going out to catch fish when there's nobody to eat it.
Man is busy trying to find cures for diseases that kept the population to a manageable size, more people more natural resources being consumed, it can't go on. Only the Chinese with their limiting of family sizes have begun to appreciate the true problem.
Compulsory water meters in the South of England is another symptom of a sick and over populated world.
Still a bird flu epidemic should cut demand a bit.
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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 12:24 PM

Can someone answer why The Humane Society of the U.S.A. is backing and promoting this movement against The (what they call) the barbaric Canadian seal hunt ... check out their website ... I have a problem with this since many U.S. states legalize Greyhound racing ... thousands of these hounds are slaughtered each year (with a bullet in the head) once they are no longer a money maker at the track (avg age 3yrs) ... again thousands of greyhound newborn pups are culled annually since since they don't meet racing standards. BTW, Canada does legalize greyhound racing.

Anyway ... just demonstrating the hypocracy on this issue ... but it certainly angers me with the 2 faced stance the Humane Society of the U.S.A. .... and PETA in itself.

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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 12:25 PM

Oooops correction ... Canada does not legalize greyhound racing.

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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 01:11 PM

I wish you would read the thread... at least my posts. I have been trying to spread the news that uninformed people should shut the fuck up.

You asked me about a solution? Who am I to solute? If I ever said that seals were the cause of the depletion of fish stocks, please point it out to me and I will apologize. There is no proof... yet.

There is no proof that the lumber industry in New Brunswick has depleted the salmon by destroying, or, rather, adversely affecting, the spawning grounds. At least, none that the government will acknowledge.

There is no proof the the tripling of the seal population over the last thirty years has had any effect on the return of large female salmon. Hmmm. Perhaps I should explain... When the salmon school up at the mouth of the Miramichi River (any river) and await the moon and tide and sufficient fresh water flow to begin their spawning swim, seals have a field day. They take a bite out of a salmon, the slowest one, that is, a large female laden with eggs, and move on to the next one. When the school does move into the river system, the bottom is piled with dead salmon which they can leisurely gorge on for days and days. Seals are smart. Smarter than salmon, anyway.

Mother Nature has a solution. She did it a few weeks ago. The weather has been warm and ice did not form off Nova Scotia for sea birthing. The seals had to beach birth. Storm surges separated mothers and pups and the beaches were awash with dead pups. But, I didn't see Pauly out on those beaches trying to help any of them.

Solution? Perhaps nobody has THE solution. But one thing is for sure. Sir Paul has not got a solution. Ya gotta have at least a fuckin clue about what yer talkin about before ya go shootin yer mouth off. Be the lard sufferin holy moly Joeseph b'y, when ya don't even know the difference between "The Island" and "The Rock", ya oughta keep yer gob shut. But, I'll bet he sells a shitload more CD's... and doesn't give a dime to the sealers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:08 PM

The only solution I can think of is that there be would be no market demand for seal hides/furs (or whatever they are). Then nature can take care of the seals. As for the sealers .. well, does anyone care.

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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,obie
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:15 PM

I don't think the unnamed guest can separate the fishery from the sealhunt anymore than he can separate his thought process between his bowel and his brain. If he would take the time to read and at least try to understand postings from people who know a hell of a lot more than he does, perhaps he wouldn't be so subjective. It is hard to see the world when your head is up your arse!
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Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:16 PM

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