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Greg Furness 27 Feb 97 - 07:49 PM
Bill D 28 Feb 97 - 12:15 AM
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Subject: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Greg Furness
Date: 27 Feb 97 - 07:49 PM

Anyone know of a site or page that provides access to lyrics of British Isles Traditiional songs collected by Cecil Sharp?


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 97 - 12:15 AM

No...not for Sharp exclusively....but many of Sharps songs are in this data base. Do you need the 'exact' version collected by Sharp?? Those are fairly easy to find in decent libraries and often in old bookstores. I doubt that anyone is likely to put Sharp online in it's original form soon...


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Greg Furness
Date: 01 Mar 97 - 07:31 AM

Thanks!! Will hit the used bookstore trail. Best Regards..


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: LaMarca
Date: 02 Mar 97 - 02:27 PM

Dover Books has/had (don't know if it's still in print) a paperback collection of "100 English Folk Songs" collected by Sharp, with piano settings and lyrics. Another paperbound collection of 80 folk songs from Sharp's Appalachian collection was published recently (don't have publishers' name handy), but it's now out of print; you may be able to find it in a local used book store. I'll check my copy when I get a chance and give the ISBN, etc, if you want to do a book search.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Paul Jay
Date: 14 Mar 97 - 12:47 AM

Greg There is a GREAT collection of songs in the book(s) THE CRYSTAL SPRING (1&2) English Folk Songs collected by Cecil Sharp, edited by Maud Karpeles. Oxford University Press 1975 Music Deptartment, 44 Conduit Street, London W1R oDE The "zip" code might be changed by now check with post office. Cheers


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Brian
Date: 14 Mar 97 - 03:51 PM

Try this site for C. Sharp stuff. WWW.ftech.co.uk/webfeet/efolk/dates/csharp.html. If no go try searching using E.F.D.S.S. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: BillD
Date: 14 Mar 97 - 09:00 PM

This is a corrected address for Cecil Sharp House, an English folk club...

http://www.ftech.co.uk/~webfeet/efolk/dates/csharp.html

it needed just a little 'tweaking'


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Mr. Ludy Marvin Wilkie
Date: 12 Apr 97 - 05:04 PM

The Dover Publication 100 BRITISH FOLKSONGS by Cecil Sharp is public domain, since it is a reprint of an earlier verions. Probably copies can be obtained at a reasonable price by writing to Dover Publications, 180 Varick Ct., NY Sorry I don't have a more complete address.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: GUEST,ceza
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:15 AM

ghh


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 02:33 AM

The most representative selection from Sharp was 'Cecil Sharp's Collection of English Folk Songs' ed. Maud Karpeles Oxford University Press, 1974 A handsome 2 volume boxed set, which at one stage was remaindered and you could pick it up for half-nothing. It is probably now long out-of-print, but worth looking out for.
Good luck
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: johnadams
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 03:39 AM

LaMarca wrote

Another paperbound collection of 80 folk songs from Sharp's Appalachian collection was published recently (don't have publishers' name handy), but it's now out of print; you may be able to find it in a local used book store.


To the best of my knowledge, Dear Companion: Appalachian Traditional Songs and Singers from the Cecil Sharp Collection - is still in print and available from its publisher, the English Folk Dance & Song Society via its online folk shop based at Cecil Sharp House in London.

Also available and listed on the same page is Still Growing:English Traditional Songs and Singers from the Cecil Sharp Collection.

The EFDSS Folk Shop


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: johnadams
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 04:16 AM

A quick search reveals that there is loads of CS stuff in US bookshops.

Go to Alibris and search for Cecil Sharp.

Johnny A


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 07:14 AM

From time to time, people wander into the Forum and revive very old threads more-or-less at random and for no obvious reason. This is one such. It was nearly 11 years since it had last seen the light of day when somebody calling themself 'GUEST,ceza' remarked 'ghh' a few short hours ago.

I thought I'd better mention that; sometimes people don't notice the date and pick up the conversation as if it were current, which can confuse others later on.

Occasionally, though, this sort of random grave-robbing can give us the opportunity of updating old information, correcting misinformation or even adding something new. Jim and John have done a bit (though be honest, you two: did you both see the date on the original question?) and I'll add some too, starting with earlier comments.
  • The English Folk Dance and Song Society was formed by the amalgamation in 1932 of the Folk-Song Society (est. 1898) and the English Folk Dance Society (est 1911: Sharp was one of its founders). Describing Cecil Sharp House, its headquarters in London, as 'an English folk club' is a bit like calling the Empire State Building 'an American office-block'. EFDSS hasn't been at that 'webfeet' address for many years now. The 'new' website is at  http://www.efdss.org/.

    It's actually a set of complementary sites. See also, in no particular order:

    http://library.efdss.org/  The Vaughan Williams Memorial Library. Among other things, the site has full indexes of a number of important manuscript song collections, including Sharp's; the Roud Folk Song and Broadside Indexes (the folk song index is the most important finding-aid for traditional song in the English language ever developed, and continues to grow) and a good selection of photographs that Sharp took of singers he met in both England and America.

    http://eds.efdss.org/  English Dance and Song: the EFDSS magazine. Includes features audio files augmenting the print edition. Relatively new, so it doesn't go back a very long way yet (ED&S has been running since 1936; its immediate predecessor, EFDS News, ran from 1921-1936) but archive material is gradually being added.

    http://fmj.efdss.org/  The Folk Music Journal. The scholarly side of the Society's work. Includes contents lists for 1874 to the present date. FMJ is the successor to The Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (1932-1964), The Journal of the Folk-Song Society (1899-1931) and The Journal of the English Folk Dance Society (1914-15 and 1927-1931).

    http://folkopedia.efdss.org/  A wiki devoted to traditional music, but unusual among wikis in that it's peer reviewed and all contributors are expected to use their real names. In its early stages as yet, this will eventually grow into a considerable resource available to all.
  • The Dover facsimile reprint of Sharp's One Hundred English Folk Songs is probably still available from the publisher. Jim is right to think that the Karpeles Cecil Sharp's Collection of English Folk Songs is long out of print. It can still be found, but you can expect to pay a serious price for it. It isn't the entire collection (which is very large) and it had its faults, but it's still very extensive and very much worth tracking down if you're serious about the subject.
  • Lamarca's comment (made back in 1997) didn't refer to Dear Companion, which wasn't published until 2004, but to 80 English Folk Songs From the Southern Appalachians (London: Faber & Faber, 1968 and subsequent reprints). Not mentioned as yet is Still Growing (London: EFDSS, 2003), a selection of songs from Sharp's English collections which places the emphasis on context, featuring photos and biographical details of the singers concerned. John has already provided a link to EFDSS' online shop.
Sharp died in 1924, so much of his work is now out of copyright. Some of it has been appearing recently at The Internet Archive. At the time of writing, there are books about morris and sword dance and country dance, together with song resources such as One Hundred English Folk Songs; English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians (the original 1917 edition, co-edited with Olive Dame Campbell; the later and much larger edition was edited by Maud Karpeles after Sharp's death and is still in copyright); the influential but nowadays very old-fashioned English Folk-Songs for Schools (a collaboration with the Rev Sabine Baring-Gould), and English Folk Song, Some Conclusions: this last being Sharp's study of the subject based on his work collecting in Somerset. Written in a hurry and very early in his collecting career, it was a preliminary study only and wasn't intended to be definitive even in 1907. A follow-up written from his later experience would have been rather different and today it is very dated indeed, but still essential reading provided people take it in the context of its day and in the light of subsequent scholarship.

C J Sharp at the Internet Archive  -available in facsimile: pdf and other formats.

Google Books has some material too, but such as there is is mostly witheld from users outside the USA. There are plenty of other Sharp song resources scattered about the web these days, of course, some good and some less so; but this lot should be enough to be going on with.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 07:28 AM

That should, of course, have been 'nearly 12 years'. I inadvertently hit 'submit' instead of 'preview'. I also hadn't inserted the 'and' that ought to appear between 'features' and 'audio files', and there are two line-breaks missing from the list. Nobody should try this sort of thing before the first coffee of the day.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Surreysinger
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 08:41 AM

LOL! If I could manage that sort of stuff first thing in the morning,Malcolm, I think I would be laughing. :-)


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 11:42 AM

If you're in the United States, you can see the complete book:

One Hundred English Folksongs by Cecil J. Sharp (Boston: Oliver Ditson Company, 1916)

If you're somewhere else, you'll just have to try it and see.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 11:57 AM

In addition, WorldCat.org might show you what is available, and help you find his books in a library near you.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 12:42 PM

One Hundred English Folk Songs is, as I've said, among the books freely available to all via the Internet Archive, so there's no need to waste your time at Google. Actually, it's the Google digitization at both sites, so if you want the full PDF facsimile don't use the 'PDF on Google.com' link: if you live in most countries outside the USA you will be denied access to it. Use instead the 'All Files: HTTP' link, which will get you the unrestricted copy on the Archive's own server. The same may apply with some of the other Sharp books there.

For the uninitiated, it was published in the USA (Boston: Oliver Ditson) in 1916; Sharp's English Folk Songs: Selected Edition (London: Novello, 2 vols, 1920) contains the same material, slightly revised. Only completists need both.

Now that I've woken up properly, I've spotted another typo: 'contents lists for 1874 to the present date' is a bit of an exaggeration! That should have read 1974, of course. Mind you, I have every intention of adding full Journal listings back to 1899 if I ever have the time.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: Folkiedave
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 02:59 PM

Most of the easily accessible of Sharp's output seems to have been covered on the thread.

One word of warning - the "80 songs from the Appalachians" seems to be on sale a lot (I think the UK edition was by Faber but I don't have one to refer to) seems to be on sale at some very high prices. When I have them I charge about £12.00

Couple of other comments. First of all the green 1974 books 2 vols in a slip case go for mega bucks. To give you an idea someone I know well paid £100.00 for a set from Oxfam. The last time I sold a set they were £350.00 and the person got a bargain.

Folk Songs from the Appalachians was first printed in 1917 and then again in two volumes in the 1930's. Sorry I can't remember the date of the second edition but it is much better for it has loads more material - tunes and songs. That goes for around £250.00 - £300.00

Finally there is the English Folk Songs referred to above - first printed in 1920 in two volumes. There is a one volume (combined) hardback of this printed for the centenary of Sharp's birth by Novello, November 1959 and reprinted 1960 and 1965. I have one of those possibly two for £18.00 plus P+P.


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Subject: RE: Cecil Sharp Collection
From: open mike
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:20 PM

another source for books is www.abebooks.com


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