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'It's all right to like...'

SINSULL 23 Mar 06 - 11:03 PM
GUEST,DB 23 Mar 06 - 07:24 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Mar 06 - 08:45 AM
jacqui.c 22 Mar 06 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,DB 22 Mar 06 - 07:57 AM
GUEST,Dale 21 Mar 06 - 06:40 PM
Bert 21 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM
Purple Foxx 21 Mar 06 - 03:25 PM
jojofolkagogo 21 Mar 06 - 01:47 PM
open mike 20 Mar 06 - 05:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Mar 06 - 03:59 PM
Purple Foxx 19 Mar 06 - 03:00 AM
Genie 19 Mar 06 - 02:58 AM
Genie 19 Mar 06 - 02:55 AM
Purple Foxx 19 Mar 06 - 02:12 AM
SINSULL 18 Mar 06 - 07:57 PM
Genie 18 Mar 06 - 07:51 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Mar 06 - 07:13 PM
Janice in NJ 18 Mar 06 - 08:36 AM
Purple Foxx 18 Mar 06 - 04:26 AM
GUEST,DB 16 Mar 06 - 04:17 AM
Peace 15 Mar 06 - 10:01 PM
Bert 15 Mar 06 - 07:28 PM
Snuffy 15 Mar 06 - 06:30 PM
fat B****rd 15 Mar 06 - 03:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Mar 06 - 12:45 PM
kendall 14 Mar 06 - 07:23 AM
Purple Foxx 14 Mar 06 - 02:34 AM
Snuffy 13 Mar 06 - 07:50 PM
Big Al Whittle 13 Mar 06 - 07:48 PM
Bert 13 Mar 06 - 07:26 PM
Peace 13 Mar 06 - 06:52 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 13 Mar 06 - 06:38 PM
fat B****rd 13 Mar 06 - 02:02 PM
fat B****rd 13 Mar 06 - 01:52 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Mar 06 - 01:23 PM
Seamus Kennedy 13 Mar 06 - 12:43 PM
Purple Foxx 13 Mar 06 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,leeneia 13 Mar 06 - 11:32 AM
Purple Foxx 13 Mar 06 - 04:34 AM
GUEST,leeneia 13 Mar 06 - 04:23 AM
LilyFestre 12 Mar 06 - 11:50 PM
Peace 12 Mar 06 - 10:22 PM
GUEST,Joe_F 12 Mar 06 - 10:22 PM
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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 11:03 PM

Sorry DB. 57 does not qualify for Old Farthood. You have at least another ten or fifteen years. Lord knows we can't have the multitude of 55+ males on Mudcat assuming it is time for them to be cranky. They are barely through their ToyBoy years.

As to "It's all right...", I believe it is a tongue-in-cheek reference to the folk purists who consider the Kingston Trio et al part of the Folk Scare and not "real" folkies. I too have lived too long to give a damn whether or not someone "approves" of my choice in music, movies, TV, books, men, dogs, cars or whatever.

I share my love of Vaudeville, Music Hall and Parlor Songs with a number of very talented people on Mudcat and at assorted festivals.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 07:24 AM

Dear jacqui c,

I know what you mean about not fitting in - I've felt like that all my life. Strangely, though, I find that it doesn't bother me too much at my advanced age (57). The other side of the coin appears to be that other people tend to respect you more if you are your own person. Actually, I've got more friends now than I've ever had in my life.
I worked for the same company for 17 years and often felt that I was 'the odd one out'. Last year this company finally made me redundant (I saw it coming a long way off). What has surprised and gratified me is many of my ex-colleagues, especially some of the younger ones (who I rather assumed thought of me as an old fart) have made a big effort to keep in touch - they regularly phone, e-mail, visit and invite me to evenings out. Although I can, at times, be a bit of a stroppy, cantankerous old fart I always tried to treat these younger people with the respect that they deserved. We may not share the same tastes in music, clothes etc. but it just goes to show that you don't have to be a slave to fashion in order to be liked.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 08:45 AM

Of course the very notion that our taste in music or other things should be governed by worrying about whether "it's all right to like" is insane and unhealthy. That was why I initiated this thread in the first place by posting -

"Chucking out the old newspapers today I noticed a headline on a piece about changes in musical tastes, saying "It's all right to like..." some out of fashion musicians. And I started thinking how I loathe that kind of idea that our tastes in music, or in anything else, should be governed by whether "it's all right" to like something, rather than whether we actually do like that thing."

The only things that it's not "all right to like" is whewhen stuff like hating and despising other people who don't deserve it and that is involved. I suppose there are some songs and some performers that would fall into that category.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 08:12 AM

GUEST DB - There are a lot of people out there who are not comfortable of they don't 'belong' and, in my experience, that can mean going along with the likes and dislikes of the majority of those around them. I have had an almost aggressive reaction from a work colleague when I have stated that I don't like chocolate (absolutely true - she just couldn't believe that someone didn't like the stuff!). I also was made to feel like an outsider because I have no interest in sports. When working in a small group eight hours a day that can get quite uncomfortable. This happens from childhood and there are usually one or two leaders whose dictates tend to be accepted by the group.

I agree with you about non folk taking over folk clubs. Happened to the one I went to at one time. Pissed me off no end and finally led to the disintegration of the group. We then started it up again elsewhere and, because I and a friend were the founders, the non folkies stayed away.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:57 AM

I have to confess that this thread title grates on my nerves a bit. Why should anyone have to gain the approval of others to like something? I happen to have very strong likes and dislikes but I don't give a toss what others might think of my preferences. I do, however, take exception to the 'I like all types of music' types taking over folk clubs. This is not because I disapprove of their wishy washy tastes but because I go to folk clubs to listen to folk music. This has got nothing to do with other people's preferences and every thing to do with categories and context. I doubt whether anyone would be very happy if they bought a book on, say, ancient history and when they got it home it turned out to be about gardening!


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 06:40 PM

Well, it is certainly OK to watch RFD-TV!

Here are just a few that I have enjoyed watching the last couple of years

Porter, didn't seem like anyone had more fun (Howdy, Neighbor, Howdy!)
Dolly, Now there's a couple of big ones . . . Porter and Dolly, that is
Wilburn Brothers, ran Porter a close second on having a good time
Loretta, when country was country
Sam & Kirk McGee, guitar wizards, short on talk
Maybelle and Sara Carter, nothing else to say, is there?
Chet Atkins, played like you'd expect Chet to play and even sang one
Senator Robert Byrd, fiddlin' away
Little Wendy Holcomb, played banjo and guitar with flair and flash,sadly left us too soon
Del Reeves, ah, That Girl on the Billboard!
Becky Schlegel, Minnesota girl who isn't a star, but should be
Don Williams, before he got his hat

Charlie Waller, Jimmie Davis, Grandpa Jones, Ramona Jones, Faron Young, Stringbean, Lefty Frizzell, Don Bowman, Michael Martin Murphey, Hank Snow, The Whites, The Browns, The Martins (Gospel singers from Arkansas),Baxter Black, Bill Monroe, Webb Pierce, well, you get the picture. That's not even counting the tractors, trains, horses and mules, FFA kids, even the Mean Farmer, though I have not seen him lately.

Yep, it's OK to watch RFD-TV. I even tell people I watch it.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Bert
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM

As long as you don't make the actual post Leadfingers!


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 03:25 PM

After Radio 1 took over from pirate Radio in the U.K.,there was a significant downturn in the amount of Black Music getting national mainstream airtime.
The one significant exception to this was The Tony Blackburn Show.
He was an unapologetic Soul fan at a time when psychedelia was de rigeur.
I am almost certain his show would have been the first place I ever heard The Chi-Lites.
That fact in itself validates his entire career as far as I am concerned.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: jojofolkagogo
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:47 PM

What a GREAT THREAD Kevin !!! Nice One . . .

I wholeheartedly agree with Don Wysiwyg Thompson (Hello Don was nice to see you at Fabclub Sun) ...

Like what you will, what's it gotta do with anyone else anyway ???

I like to say that I like . . . .   Tony Blackburn's songs !!!

No really, I DO

Jo Jo
(jojofolkagogo@yahoo.com)


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: open mike
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:43 PM

a fiddler friend and i agree
that we admit to watching
RFD t.v. (http://www.rfd-tv.com/)
(on DIRECTV RFD-TV is located on channel 379)
(on Dish Network RFD-TV is located on channel 9409)

when the Big Joe Polka Show is on!!
and Porter Wagoner..
which i think is something that Willie Nelson
has helped to preserve by purchasing the series
or something...

and Reno's Old Time Music Festival
and some of the other home-grown music presentations
found on that network...sort of like lawrence welk..
only funkier..

well, the polkas are fun and it is good to see groups
of young people playing this style of music and people
dancing to it, too.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:59 PM

I see "Sons of the Pioneers" crop up in both Genie's lists...

But I was astonished to see Edith Piaf as turning up as someone anyone might be embarrassed to admit liking. I suppose admitted to liking someone so French might be frowned on in some circles in the USA in these days of "freedom fries". In which case, no doubt, the same would apply to the incomparable Georges Brassens.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:00 AM

'S,ok Genie.I can assure you I've been called worse things.;)


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Genie
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 02:58 AM

Er... excuse me, Purple Fox, I must have just glanced at your name and noticed the P and the x and morphed it into "Pixie."
(Dyslexic much, Genie?) ;)


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Genie
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 02:55 AM

Pixie, I would never apologize for liking jazz, blues, or show tunes, especially the greats in those genres.

It's more the case that in some groups of people are connected by sharing appreciation for a particular genre such as "bluegrass," or "oldtimey," or "folk music" or whatever and in that setting people may not be interested in doing or discussing other genres.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 02:12 AM

Genie, your liking for Irving Berlin,Jazz era standards,Edith Piaf,Roy Orbison,Doo wop & Reggae is not something you should be apologising for,but rather people who don't like them should apologise to you.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:57 PM

About two weeks ago, Jacqui and I were harmonizing (?!#*) to the Everly Bros.' Songs Our Daddy Taught Us"> Kendall asked me to leave. sigh.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Genie
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:51 PM

Jaqui said, "... Kendall has much narrower musical tastes than I and I do enjoy, on occasion, getting together with SINSULL and doing a bit of doowap, just to aggravate him."

Good on ya, jacqui! I know Kendall says he's more tolerant than that ;) but I still love the way you think! LOL

Well, it seems at least one of two of you also like most of the people and stuff on my list, but here are some that I love but won't usually volunteer that info in some settings (such as a "folk music song circle):

Air Supply
Clay Aiken
Aerosmith
MacNamara's Band, The Unicorn, Danny Boy, and The Wild Rover
Sons Of The Pioneers
Bryan Setzer
Snoop Dogg, Chingy, Will Smith, and Blackeyed Peas
a lot of Andrew Lloyd-Weber and Rodgers & Hammerstein
Harry Connick, Jr.
Alan Jackson
Irving Berlin songs
Johnny Mercer lyrics
Jazz era standards (Harold Arlen, Gershwins, Hoagy Carmichael, Gus Kahn, Duke Ellington)
Edith Piaf
Roy Orbison
doo-wop
reggae
Garth Brooks
Tennessee Ernie Ford
Neil Diamond
Cyndi Lauper

But I'm seldom shy about admitting I like:
Spike Jones
Sons Of The Pioneers
Dire Straits/Mark Knopfler
Eva Cassidy
Jethro Tull
Bob Seger
Elvis
The Eagles
Miles Davis
Patsy Cline

I guess actually I'm never really "ashamed" to admit to liking something, and there's very little besides muzak that i hate as a category.   It's more a matter of having people sometimes stare blankly when you bring up an artist or song or genre that's not their "cup o' tea." :-D


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:13 PM

It's all right to like them, but do you like them?


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:36 AM

It's all right to like Liberace, Kate Smith, and Sophie Tucker.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 04:26 AM

Yesterday Evening I was taken (somewhat reluctantly) to see the stage version of "Saturday Night Fever"
I was 15 when the movie came out & its all-pervasive soundtrack epitomised everything I despised in popular music at that time.
What I heard last night was a colllection of songs which were very well crafted & had ,without exception, endured in the public consciousness for far longer than most of the music I favoured in 1977.
Perhaps we all find ourselves more receptive to other people's ideas on "Good Music" as we mature emotionally & culturally?


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:17 AM

Of course it's all right to like anything that you happen to like. What really gets my goat is people who insist that anything that they happen to like is 'folk music'! Are you listening 'Peace'?

Signed:

A "that ain't folk music" person who's not dead yet!!!


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 10:01 PM

...but what folk acts are you ashamed to confess to liking?...

The Beatles
The Stones
Bachman Turner Overdrive
The Eagles
The Stampeders
The Moody Blues

They ain't folk yet, but they will be when all the old "that ain't folk music" people die off.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Bert
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:28 PM

...but what folk acts are you ashamed to confess to liking?... Nana Mouskouri


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 06:30 PM

It's all right not to like thread drift


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: fat B****rd
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:49 PM

Is this the start of a connected thread drift or can we say what "It's alright not like" here ?


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 12:45 PM

Of course the other side of this is "It's all right not to like". For example a columnist in the Guardian and Observer recently announced, slightly nervously, that he didn't like Wallace and Gromit. Rapidly qualifying that by saying he wasn't criticising other people for liking it, just announcing a personal preferance. (That's what I mean by "slightly nervously".)

Basic groundrule for that wouild be that the item involved would have to be something that is generally felt to be pretty good.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: kendall
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 07:23 AM

I'm not ashamed of anything I sing. Well, perhaps one..."Too Many Parties", after Sinsull got through with it at the Getaway.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:34 AM

The Seekers


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 07:50 PM

Cole Porter and Mozart and the Beatles are Ok as far as they go, but what folk acts are you ashamed to confess to liking?


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 07:48 PM

Gene Autry. I used to love Gene Autry.

Barney the Bashful Bullfrog, Ghost Riders in the Sky, and he had a good hat.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Bert
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 07:26 PM

PEACE!!!    GO HOME!


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 06:52 PM

OK, here's the scene. Monks sworn to silence. The only time they say anything is at vespers where in response to the abbot's "I wish you a good morning" they sing, "I wish you a good morning." After 27 years, one of the monks decided to throw a twist into things. After the abbot's "I wish you a good morning" he alone of 42 monks replied, "I wish you a good evening."

Ya coulda heard a pin drop. The abbot then said--are ya ready for this? are ya?






































"Someone chanted evening . . . ."


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 06:38 PM

Strongly agree Fat B, but I also enjoy Lionel Bart and (dare I say it) Andrew Lloyd Webber.

There! I said it.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 02:02 PM

LilyFestre. If by SHOWTUNES you mean songs from musicals, Porter, Gershwin and co. are fine by me.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 01:52 PM

Yo !! Mc Grath. I like rap.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 01:23 PM

I'm waiting for someone to come out with a confession about liking something modern - Doug saying "I love rap" for example...


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 12:43 PM

Holy shit! I really like everybody who's been named already, plus My secret love - Frank Ifield.
There I feel better now. it's out in the open.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 11:36 AM

Gregorian chant is very difficult to dance to.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 11:32 AM

Probably. It may be tied for time-length with Gregorian chant, but surely it's going to pull ahead in the next century or two.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 04:34 AM

Leeneia's assessment is completely right.
Enjoyable as some of them are a top ten songette exists primarily as a commodity.
Folk is not popular in the sense that transnational corporations are making large amount of money by commercially exploiting it.
However, if we define popularity by the length of time for which something endures within the public culture, then surely a strong argument could be made for Folk as the most popular of all musical forms?


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 04:23 AM

"Let's face it: folk music (unless it's pop music with banjos or whistles) is unpopular."

I don't think folk music is unpopular. The trouble with folk music is that it can't be used to make money. The way money changes hands in the music world is through copyright, and when a song's old enough, it can't be copyrighted. Sure, people talk about copyrighting their arrangement, but that doesn't really mean much.

For example, we have a woman who plays brilliant folk guitar with us. When she's really got a song down, she does so many licks, runs, and rests that she couldn't possibly write down the arrangement. And she probably never does a song the same way twice. So how does anybody police copyright of something like that?

The result is that musicians, record companies and MTV makers can't recoup their production expenses with traditional music. That leaves the general public, especially the young general public, to assume that there must be something wrong with it.
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I believe that it's all right for a person to like what they like, but I draw the line at Gene Autry. :)


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: LilyFestre
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 11:50 PM

I like 80's pop music!
I like metal!
I like classic rock!
I like bluegrass!
I like jazz!
I like the blues!
I like classical!
I like showtunes!!!

There, I said it, I LIKE SHOWTUNES! *GRIN*

Michelle


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 10:22 PM

It's also alright to like folk music (what ever that means), which I do.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 10:22 PM

Hymns. Stephen Foster.

--- Joe Fineman    joe_f@verizon.net

||: A potato without pepper is like a kiss without a moustache. :||


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Subject: RE: 'It's our right to like...'
From: Severn
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 10:07 PM

Then don't be put off by any drunken patrons asking for your "Derry Air" (The alternate title to that tune).


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: jacqui.c
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 09:52 PM

Beautiful song Don - I love that one.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 08:10 PM

About two years ago I spent a Sunday afternoon at a session in a pub where there were a number of Irish punters.

One of these aked for a couple of Irish songs which were sung by two of the guys who happened to know them.

He then asked for Danny Boy, and, as I was the only one present who would admit to knowing it, well you can guess the rest.

The odd thing is that the word seems to have spread far beyond the people present that day, because I have been getting an average of one request a month for that one ever since.

As I always do any requests that don't end with the word "off", I've become quite familiar with it, and I must say I do enjoy singing it.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 02:53 PM

I think John Hardly may just possibly be referring to these Spinners rather than to these Spinners.


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to like...'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 01:41 PM

yeh its all right to like all this weird stuff, but if you concealed the fact from someone you were thinking of marrying or moving in with - I think it might be grounds for justifiable homicide


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Subject: RE: 'It's all right to,... like uh,...like, Dude'
From: Severn
Date: 12 Mar 06 - 01:24 PM

Whale on Herman Melville, whale on! The Blue Notes were no fluke act!
They single-handedly increased the National sperm count with their romantic fare....

....AND they were named after a chatroom practice, to boot!

What's more, they "blue" notes out of the holes in the top of their heads (kinda like the Purple People Eater with his horn).

...Why, when I figured out I actually liked their stuff, I promptly wrapped my harpoon back up in my dirty red bandana!


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