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katlaughing 31 Jan 99 - 02:10 PM
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Subject: Border Collie - problem with
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Jan 99 - 02:10 PM

Does anybody out there have experience with Border Collies? I've had one I found for the past two and a half years who is a wonderful companion. WAY TOO SMArt! He goes everywhere with me and anticipates my every mood, move, need, desire, etc.

The only problem we've ever had with him is about three times, when he and one of our cats ran into each other, he got into a tussle with whichever one it was, until I could break them up. He never broke skin, but did have a glazed look to him. I've always muzzled him for a few days after and made him feel pitifully contrite. It hadn't happened in almost a year, until last night.

Last night, right in front of me, my favourite Siamese stretched up against a door jamb as I was going to open the door. The dog was right there, too. Before I knew aht had happened, he'd grabbed the cat around the neck and was trying to shake him, like a terrier breaking a rat's neck.

He spent the night in his kennel and has been muzzled all day, except to go outside and to eat. He has other cats whom he plays with and would never hurt. I suspect he went after that one because of the attention the cat gets from me.

My question is what can I do? I do not want a killer dog, yet, I really have a hard time thinking of being without this dog. I think we may not have been as strict as he needs us to be...we've slackened off as he gets older.

Any of you work with these dogs and have any advice. The only solution I can come up with right now is muzzle inside; spend most of his time int he car with me or in the backyard; or in his kennel when I'm not around.

I've always had cats and dogs and never had this problem before.

And, if any of you wants to make sure we stick to a musical topic, too, I'd love to know of any songs about Border Collies, if you know of any.

Thanks,

katlaughing (well, not so much today!)


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: MMario
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 10:14 AM

our border collie as he got older got more and more protective. my sister had to finally not go outside if our dog was playing with other dogs becuase as soon as she was in sight he would go from playing to driving the other dogs off.

MMario

and if there are songs re: border collies I would LOVE to find out.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Susan of DT
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 06:29 PM

I put collie in the search box and got 7 hits. @dog also got 7 hits, so obviously not every song is properly labeled.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 06:34 PM

It has been my experience, Kat, that breeds developed for herding have a remarkably strong protective streak. When I was a kid, my collie had to be locked in the barn before I got a spanking, because she came through the screen door (screen and all) and attacked Dad when he spanked me. Most likely the stretching cat sent a mixed signal that caused a protective reaction (albeit tempered somewhat by jealousy) to Rover.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Pete M
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 07:26 PM

Hi Kat,

I've sent you a lengthy response directly as it's a bit too non folk for my tastes. Should ahve gone yesterday but I got caught by the down time.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Alice
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 07:56 PM

Don't know any collie songs, but my pure bred collie Amanda was the sweetest dog I ever knew, and my faithful friend for twelve years. Alice's collie, Mandy.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 08:31 PM

I lived for half a year with a roommate's border collie and what I learned is that they are very intelligent and must be trained, constantly, and given new tricks and skills to learn, otherwise they will "train" themselves and everyone around them! Consult a dog trainer and get involved in dog agility. I'm looking up @collie now because I have a smooth coat collie who is almost as hyper as the border collie I knew- maybe music will soothe him!


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: alison
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 11:16 PM

Her is just the song for you,

It's funny, coarse and just downright rude........

The man who shot me dog

I had a border collie (pure bred) at home..... I got him when he was 6 months old and unfortunately he had been very abused by the family who had him before us. He had obviously been beaten and was very wary for the first while we had him. He was a lovely dog... but due to his background he couldn't be completely trusted..... 95% of the time he would be perfect.

I now have a border collie / bull terrier cross..... she has a lovely temperament but likes to dig!!!!

Border collies are very intelligent, need heaps of exercise (remember in their working life they are able to run for 50 miles a day looking for sheep)or they go manic and wreck the house.

I remember reading in a dog book a list of vicious dogs (I think it was based on the number of people brought into a hospital ER having been bitten)and it read something like... top of the list rottweilers, dobermen, alsations...... next came the border collie.

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 11:42 PM

A dog owner comes running into the Vet's office carring a dog & screaming that there's something worng with the pooch, it's not moving. So the vet rushes the dog to the examination table for a look. After a few moments the vet turns & says that the dog is dead. The shocked owner can't except this & askes for a 2nd opinion. So the vet brings in a cat & the feline starts sniffing around the dog & looks at the vet & shakes it's head. The vet turns again to the dogs owner & says the cat is in agreement, the dog's dead. Again the unexcepting dog owner wants 1 more opinion. So the vet brings in a big black lab & the dog takes it's nose & starts moving the dead dog's head & sniffing. It then turns to the vet shaking it's head. Again the vet says that the dog is dead.

The dogs owner after calming down asks the vet what he owes for services rendered & the vet says that will be $650.00. Stunned, the berieved owned asked why so much. The vet say for me it's only $50.00, but it's another $600.00 for the cat scan & lab work. Barry


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 01:02 AM

That's a good one, Barry. I'm passing it on to my vet! To all of you, thanks very much. I had my suspicions about the breed. I rescued him from a grocery store parking lot. I am sure his agression had a lot to do with dominance and favourtism. I am also in love with him and the breed. The vet says he is a mix, but looks and acts pure BC!

Pete M.: I agree with some of what you said. "Merlee" will be with us for the length of his life. I do think we'd been a bit lax with him and that I needed to establish myself as "top dog" more forcefully, although, in my case, it's more like "top cat"! Contrary to what you wrote about your household, though, the cats are the one's who rule the roost here, esp. the Siamese in question. They are all disciplined. I believe I will have to be more vigilant in letting Merls know I AM the one who does the reprimanding. I've also since done some research on how to occupy him more with lessons, etc.

There're more thoughts to write. I'm too off to sleep now, but will try to post on your personal page with more tomorrow.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY!

Kat


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Margo
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 01:29 PM

HI Kat. I had austrailian shepherds that I had to break of chasing chickens. It was not pleasant. Any transgressions were followed by a severe scolding. Our no-no word was phooey. We'd repeat "Chickens are phooey" while jerking the poor dog around on the leash. (A corrective act done in a specific manner prescribed by a breeder, not done cruelly - I guarantee it). The language was an important factor. If we even saw the dog eyeing a chicken as if considering a chase, we would repeat "chickens are phooey", and the dog always reconsidered, and went on to something else.

If you always use the word cat when scolding the dog for mauling the cat, hopefully he'll catch on.

I hope this helps!

Margaret


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Frank in the swamps
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 05:36 PM

I'm being facetious here....

We all know that when a cat knows a dog might attack it, the dog hasn't a chance, cats are fast and can climb.

We all know cats will hunt rabbits.

We all know collies are herding animals.

Triple your trouble, buy a passel of rabbits and teach the dog to herd them. You'll have hours of entertainment at hand. Except we all know what rabbits do best. Of course, this could lead to cheap cat & dog food, all it costs is a little rabbit feed. Here in Florida we have a varient of the north american cottontail know as the swamp rabbit, they have short, comparatively rounded ears.

Frank (sharpening his teeth) i.t.s. P.S. Isn't there a folksong here somewhere?


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 08:16 PM

Thanks to those last two messages! Even the facetious one! Ugh! I once knew a person who fed his dogs rabbit...something I can't even contemplate ...makes my stomach turn.

Margarita: I have done pretty much the same. I even see him look at a cat and tell him "no-no NO CATS!". He does look worried and contrite and will immediately circle round me and flop down behind my feet, where he is to "heel".

He's a REALLY GOOD DOG and incredibly smart! He minds well; it's just these once in a blue moon (which there was this weekend past) lapses.

I hope somebody can come up with a song about BC's!

Thanks, again to everybody. Kat


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: alison
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 09:21 PM

Hi Kat

check my link above it is about a collie.

Mine gets on well with the cat, (I have always had both).... sure they chase each other and fight..... and you'll find the dog with the cat's head in its mouth but it's only playing..... the cat can get away anytime it wants.... most of the time it deliberately teases the dog.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Pete M
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 09:28 PM

I agree Frank, our ginger male is the best rabbiter, but if he leaves them for a second to come and tell us how clever he is, there are two cats and a dog to see it isn't there when he gets back! He catches mice as well but only for their play value, we have to rely on the female to clear them up after him.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 10:32 PM

Sounds like you got a problem. We have 9 cats and 1 Weimaraner...he's now learned how to purr out of a healthy respect for claws. He and the Cornish Rex, a strange cat himself, have a symbiotic relationship. Dog stands and cat walks back and forth rubbing it's back and the dog's belly.

A friend of ours had a previously unknown aggressive dog that picked up one of their cats and after a healthy shaking, threw it about 10 feet into the wall. Luckily their neighbor across the street was a retired vet who came over since the cat was comatose. He asked Jim for a teaspoon of gasoline that he dripped down the cat's throat. It actually began to revive the cat!! Within a couple of minutes the cat was up and purring and then ran over to the sofa and began to become agitated..kinda' chasing around, but then went to it's favorite spot and laid down, very still. The vet went over to check and Jim asked if the cat was OK. The vet said, "Sure, just outa' gas."

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Baz
Date: 05 Feb 99 - 02:11 PM

If you're looking for a song try the one in the database Bob the Pedigree Sheep Dog.
Regards Baz


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Philippa
Date: 05 Feb 99 - 06:06 PM

Border collies are very clever, but they are terrible dogs for chasiing cars. "The herding instinct", you say. Well I used to think car-chasing dogs were pretty stupid, until I watched a particular group of local dogs and I realised that they really hated traffic. So I wrote some
<2>Doggerel

By lines of asphalt our space is riven
So that vehicles can be driven.
Resource-exhausting; the bus , van and car,
With noise and stench the landscape they mar.

Pedestrians' spirit and freedom are 'kerbed'
But no-one will sy a dissenting word
As we meekly wait for the traffic to part
For we are co-opted, soul and heart.

As country lanes are widened to roads,
With motor traffic our universe explodes.
To reach city centre for 50 pence
We abandon local shops and natural sense.

The human race abides and stays mum -
But look at the creatures we call dumb:
The band of canines are at least astute
Enough to destest the vehicle route.

Assembled they stand in angry pose
Scenting the way the carbon monoxide blows,
Then run and bark and snap their jaws
Risking life and limb to fight for a lost cause.


linguistic notes: It's better in American English, as 'curb' means both 'kerb' (noun) and 'curb' (verb); but then I'd have to say '80 cents'. If you want to be more scientific and scan better, you can say 'nitrous oxides blow' (carbon monoxide is odourless, but I think it's funnier/though this doggerel IS serious at its core)

Border Collie enthusiasts are advised to check out the "Clonmany collies" of Inishowen, Co Donegal, Ireland.


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Subject: RE: your message, 2 Feb
From: Philippa
Date: 05 Feb 99 - 06:09 PM

Catspaw49 - Now we know why dogs chase cats


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: gargoyle
Date: 06 Feb 99 - 12:03 AM

Feed it fish and chicken with the bones.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Feb 99 - 12:59 AM

Hi Kat, Thanks for your message and you're right...we're currently up on you by 2, but that situation is always changeable.***SMILE***

And you are also right about Weimies. They are the sweetest animals. Our current Weimaraner is named "Jaeger" but I should have looked up the German word for couch potato instead. He is a long hair and most people aren't familiar with Weims, let alone long hairs. He's also a blue, making him the rarest of the rare. Best of all, he is the most docile of a docile breed. With all the kids we've had around him, he has NEVER shown the first sign of anger. Our son Tristan is 7, but functionally at about 4. He is constantly laying all over him and Jaeger just shifts position kinda' resigned to it.

The breeder has a nice page but the long hair blue pictured isn't nearly as good looking as Jaeger. You can see the pix at Valkyrie Weimaraners

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Dan Keding
Date: 06 Feb 99 - 03:10 PM

A man advertised for a typist who could also run a computer and was bilingual. After weeks of interviews he was almost ready to give up when one night as he was working late there was a scratch at the door. He opened it to find a Border Collie with the paper with the ad in his mouth. The dog dropped it pointed to the ad and woofed. "You can type," asked the man? "Woof." The dog sat down at the typewriter and did 79 words a minute, no mistakes. "You can program a computer?" "Woof." The dog sat down and was rearranging the entire inventory. "Are you bilingual too?" "Meow," said the Border Collie.

I had a Border Collie for sixteen years, a truly great dog. Now I have Jack, who is an Australian Shepherd. He's the boy. Dan


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Helen
Date: 06 Feb 99 - 07:23 PM

A man was walking down the street holding a piece of string with a vegetable tied to the end of it. He was dragging it along behind him when another man said: What is that?

Man 1 said: It's my dog. Man 2 said: That's not a dog, it's a cabbage. Man 1: No. It's not a cabbage, it's a caulie. (cauliflower/collie)

Sorry, sorry, this comes from my collection of what is not so affectionately referred to as *groan* jokes, i.e. " that was terrible" Helen


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Felipa
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 07:24 AM

The version I heard of Helen's joke was "what do you call a sad dog?"

melon collie


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Alice
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:12 AM

Heard about this burglar the other day...this is the way it happened.

A burglar had broken into a house late at night, total darkness. He was working his way through the house making no noise when he heard a voice. He stopped and listened for awhile and heard nothing. He continued his journey through the rooms looking for the one with all the "goodies" when he heard a voice again, this time he could faintly understand it, the voice said "I see you and Jesus sees you".

This put the burglar off guard and he just froze, waiting to see what would happen. Nothing, the burglar heard nothing for some time and resumed his search. Just then he heard the voice again, much louder this time, it said "I see you and Jesus sees you". This was puzzling to the burglar and he was about equally curious and scared, so he began working his way toward the voice. He entered another room and a voice in the room said "I see you and Jesus sees you".

This scared the hell out of the burglar and he just stood there motionless for about five minutes and heard no further noises. He then felt around and found a light switch and turned it on. There was a large bird cage with a parrot sitting in it. The parrot looked at the burglar and said "I see you and Jesus sees you". The burglar just grinned and went to work filling his bag and left the light in the room on. He had his bag about half full when he turned to look at the parrot again, this time he noticed that a Border Collie was laying under the table that the bird cage was on. The parrot stared at the burglar and then said "Sic'em Jesus".


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Alice
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:17 AM

Three dogs are sitting in the waiting room of a vets office. One is a poodle, one is a schnauzer and the other is a border collie.

The poodle turns to the schnauzer and asks "why are you here?" The schnauzer responds, "I'm 17 years old. I don't see or hear very well. I've been having accidents in the house. My owner says I'm too old and sick so he brought me here to be put to sleep.

The schnauzer asks the poodle "why are you here?" The poodle responds, "I've not been myself lately. I've been especially high strung. I've been barking all the time, I've been snapping at people and I even bit one of the neighbor's kids. Nobody knows why this has been happening. My owner says he can't risk me biting somebody else so he brought me here to be put to sleep.

The poodle and schnauzer ask the border collie why he is here. The border collie responds: "My owner is this beautiful fashion model. Yesterday she was walking around the house naked when she suddenly bent down to pick up something she dropped. She was bent over and the next thing I know I'm doing the doggie thing. I couldn't help myself. "

The poodle asks: "so your owner brought you here to be put to sleep?"

"Noooo...., I'm just here to get my nails trimmed."
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...... sorry


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Alice
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:21 AM

How many dogs does it take to change a light bulb?

Afghan: Light bulb? What light bulb?
Golden Retriever: The sun is shining, the day is young, we've got our whole lives ahead of us, and you're inside worrying about a stupid burned-out light bulb?
Border Collie: Just one. And he'll rewire the house while he's at it.
Italian Greyhound: I can't reach the stupid lamp!
Poodle: Sorry, just had my nails done.
Lab: Oh, me, me!!! Pleeeeze let me change the light bulb! Can I? Can I?
Malamute: Let him do it, you can pet me while he's busy.
Springer: Light bulb? Light bulb? That thing I just ate was a light bulb?
Shiba-Inu: Zero! Shibas aren't afraid of the dark!
Collie: No, don't change it. If it's dark, maybe no one will see me sleeping on the couch.
Cocker: Why change it. It isn't hurting anyone and I am just as loving in the dark.
Chinese Crested: I can put it in, I can jump and spin !!!!

-----------

see, now you've got me started on the jokes again....


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Alice
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:24 AM

It is reported that the following addition to the Book of Genesis was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls. If authentic, it would shed light on the question, "Where do pets come from?" And Adam said, "Lord, when I was in the garden, you walked with me every day. Now I do not see you anymore. I am lonesome here and it is difficult for me to remember how much you love me." And God said, "No problem! I will create a companion for you that will be with you forever and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so that you will know I love you, even when you cannot see me. Regardless of how selfish and childish and unlovable you may be, this new companion will accept you as you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourself." And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam. And it was a good animal. And God was pleased. And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam, and he wagged his tail. And Adam said, "But Lord, I have already named all the animals in the Kingdom, and all the good names are taken, and I cannot think of a name for this new animal." And God said, "No problem! Because I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own name, and you will call him DOG." And Dog lived with Adam and was a companion to him and to Eve, and loved them. And Adam was comforted. And God was pleased. And Dog was content and wagged his tail. After a while, it came to pass that Adam's guardian angel came to the Lord and said, "Lord, Adam has become filled with pride. He struts and preens like a peacock and believes he is worthy of adoration. Dog has indeed taught him that he is loved, but no one has taught him humility." And the Lord said, "No problem! I will create for him a companion who will be with him forever and who will see him as he is. The companion will remind him of his limitations, so he will know he is not worthy of adoration." And God created CAT to be a companion for Adam. And Cat would not obey Adam. And when Adam gazed into Cat's eyes, he was reminded that he was not the Supreme Being. And Adam learned humility. And God was pleased. And Adam was greatly improved. And Cat did not care one way or the other.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:37 AM

Done properly, only one time, this ALWAYS works to cure a dog PERMANANTLY of harrassing others of any species. I have found that, stretched over a boder collie's nose and mouth like a muzzle, a condom works real well to inhibit ANY dog from chasing any animal whatsoever---even a T-Rex.

Just a word to the wise...

Art


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Alice
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:56 AM

I knew the word condom would eventually show up in this thread. Ingenious solution, Art.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 01:04 PM

Alice,

We gave all our favorite names to our dogs. When our son was born we had to name him Fido.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: rick fielding
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 01:13 PM

Art, wasn't "A Boy Named Fido" on "Johnny Cash at Fulsom Kennel?"


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: rick fielding
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 01:25 PM

Art, me once more. Hopefully I got your attention with the dog joke, and perhaps you can help me. I don't want to go begging to the knowledgeable computer people yet, as I still know far more about ballads, capos and mandolins than htmls, urls and ufos. I can post a comment to a thread but when I try to start one (about instrument disasters) it just comes up as "errors", and "cannot sends" and stuff like that. I'm discombobulated and knowing you to be a kindly folksinger, thought you might have a suggestion or six. If you can't I might try that "Alice in Montana"...she sounds like she might take pity on the technically challenged.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 03:05 PM

Hey Rick....catspaw here....and you have my apologies!!! I can't post a new thread either and some others are having the problem too. See the thread "Mudcat will be fixed"..........When things get going again, you can post your thread. Unfotunately for me, push came to shove and I pulled the "trigger" on the freakin' groundhog and now the mess around here is not to be believed!!!!

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:40 PM

if 1 Viagara does not do it, try 2. We'll be up and running soon.


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:41 PM

THERE. I had no problem getting in that time...


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Subject: RE: Border Collie - problem with
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 11:52 PM

...but I'm dead now.


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