BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:49 PM

Just felt like chiming in to show off that I finally remember my Mudcat password! yay! Now I've written it down in case I lose my cookie again as I am wont to do from time to time.

My apple dumplings are all made and lined up in a row ready to be warmed for tommorrow.

PEACE - it helps if you use those little apples - not crab-apple size but halfway between a crab-apple and a real apple. I think in the USA they call them Sweetheart Apples. I use Golden Apples for my dumplings becuase they cook up nice and tender. You can pour a bit of Irish Whisky into the sugar&spice mix with the nuts and sultanas. A couple drops adds a lot of flavor. I did that today and they smelled heavenly while baking. I also mix some cinnamon and castor sugar into the pasty dough. When you serve them, melt some brown sugar (or dry carmelized castor sugar)and butter in a saucepan, add liberal amounts of cinnamon and mace and another splash of whiskey. Pour the hot spice suace over the warm dumplins and serve with some ice-cream.

yay! I have my cookie back.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:47 PM

Well, I knew the Mormans claimed CHRIST had a New World ministry none of the Biblical authors bothered to write about...

So there's now a book of Maewyn too? :P

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:39 PM

That caps it. You are both speaking Canadian just like it used to be spoke and as it was taught to us all by the Blessed Saint himself. Just proves my point.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:35 PM

some trollish ape-like gibberish which concluded with "Pog mo ? agus Slan, big bully!"

Feh. :/

Dún do bheal, agus feisigh do thóin féin.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:03 PM

"Next, how do you know St Patrick wasn't an Anglo?"

Simple. He was a Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:02 PM

"Good screaming holy fuck, no he was not.

The Angles and Saxons didn't even know where Britain WAS in 400 A.D. Much less had they started squatters' settlements on it.

Patrick did come from Britain, but if anything he was Roman. "Possibly" Romanized British Celt; but either way, he was about as English as pasta fagioli.

Slán,"

You very well knew what I meant and took it in a very un St Patrick way! 'Twould not matter what it was then called since we don't today know the name, it is NOW called England. Next, how do you know St Patrick wasn't an Anglo? did you have his DNA tested? Don't think so. So I know you are talking out of your big boasty hat.

Pog mo ? agus Slan, big bully!

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,Dave'sWife sans cookie
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:46 PM

Well, here's a fine how do you do, my formerly Presbyterian husband reminded me this morning as I was making pasty dough out of beef suet that St. Patrick's day being on a Friday this year and during LENT puts the kabosh on both my Apple Dumplings AND my Lamb Stew! Those were my protest dishes.

I reminded him I am a lapsed Catholic who attends a different Church with HIM lo these past 7 years which is nither Catholic NOR Presbyterian and so I kept right on rolling out the dough!

This is something of a family joke ever since his mother put meat on my plate on Good Friday ten years ago when I was a practising Catholic just to see if I'd eat it. I did out of concern that I would offend her and then she and her sister jumped up to point fingers at me and call me a "Bad Catholic." All this was a few weeks before our Catholic Wedding, something she objected to vehemently. Ah, memories.


That gave me a good laugh but did make me wonder just how many Corned Beef's are gonna be cooked tomorrow considering!

I was speaking to an Irish friend of mine who lives in Toledo OH (not American) and she told me in Toledo the 16th of March is called "St. Practice Day" and the drinking begins there at 7 Am on the 16th.

St. Practice Day. LOL.

So, who's gonna eat Corned Beef tomorrow even though it's Friday and LENT? (me me me me)

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:05 PM

I think there was a discussion about this on one of the other threads...could be something to do with the island going predominantly Protestant?

Of the three patrons you mentioned, David does seem to get the biggest nod on his feast-day.

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:41 PM

Absolutely!

Funny that St Patrick has a day that is recognized all over the world, while ol' St Andrew, St David and St George have days that are much less 'celebrated'. Interesting. Anyone care to comment?

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Alba
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:29 PM

LOL B,
Could be, could be. On the West Coast though huh!
Love
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:14 PM

I have it on good authority that he was born in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Alba
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM

There are a few points which a lot of people agree on and some on which they differ regarding Patrick's origins.
From the transcription of Patrick's two works The "Confessio" and the "Epistola ad Coroticum" it pretty much depends on the translation
Some say Maewyn Succat (later to become St Patrick) was born at Kilpatrick, near Dumbarton, in Scotland, in the year 387 and died at Saul, Downpatrick, Ireland, 17 March, 493.
It's generally accepted that he was captured when he 16 on the 'West coast of Briton' (though not specific on location but some agree that it was nearer to the shorter sea crossing between the British Isles and Ulster (which would then support his birth being in Scotland) and there after he was sold into slavery to a Druid Cheif in Ireland, and six years later he escaped to Gaul where he later became a monk. Around 432 he returned to Ireland as a missionary and succeeded in converting many of the island's tribes to Christianity.
There are some that say he was born on the West Coast of Wales and some that say he was born on the west Coast of England.
Where ever he was born, he is Ireland's Own now.

Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 03:44 PM

Still laughing.

Any chance you'll do voice-overs for Batman cartoons?

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 03:43 PM

"Good screaming holy fuck, no he was not."

I haven't laughed so hard in a while. Thank you. Never heard that one before. (Unfortunately, never had one either.)

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 03:30 PM

Saint Patrick was English

Good screaming holy fuck, no he was not.

The Angles and Saxons didn't even know where Britain WAS in 400 A.D. Much less had they started squatters' settlements on it.

Patrick did come from Britain, but if anything he was Roman. "Possibly" Romanized British Celt; but either way, he was about as English as pasta fagioli.

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: ard mhacha
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 02:58 PM

The same to you Peace, in the occupied six northern counties of Ireland it is a normal working day, but not for the Nationalists, although in my younger days I have seen people lose their jobs for taking the day off,now they just lose a days wages.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 01:55 PM

All this quibbling reminds me of a St Patty's day celebration at one of our local schools. There I seen several first generation emigrants meet for the first time and guess what they all asked each other? 'what County are ye from'?

Well Oim Oirish twooo and I have to remind myself that Saint Patrick was English, so there; moreover, his colors were red as well as green.

Guess he is everybody's Saint and so we all get to celebrate the holiday.

Happy GreenBeer day!

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 11:53 AM

HSPD to you, ard.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: ard mhacha
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 11:34 AM

Doug, Get the feet-up and put on that Firestone Irish Tenor CD, and float away with a glass of Paddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:27 AM

Doug, that's why I might be paying my respects to Flynn's tonight instead of tomorrow.

Besides; have to drag out the harp tonight, tune it, and get the fingers in shape for this weekend. A little "lubrication" (read: Jameson's) always helps a practice-session go more smoothly. ;)

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:16 PM

Thank you so very much. And Happy St Patrick's Day to you and Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,Dave'sWife sans cookie & can't recall my PW!
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:00 PM

Ron Olesko said:
>>>
What really gets me is the local bagel shop that dyes their bagels green. Usually I would toss a green bagel!!<<<

Bwahaha - I just railed against that in the other stereotypical St. Patrick's day thread.

In that thread I also mentioned how the observation of the holiday changed from generation to generation.

For my grandad in the 1920s it was a bitter, political day. He had uncles involved in the 1916 Easter Rebellion and his family's reason for coming here was to avoid arrest. My dad on the otherhand grew up in the 1950s when it wasn't a severe disadvantage to be Irish in NYC and so has fond memories of the Parade.   Me, I had a rought time growing up as a Catholic in an increasingly Protestant area and caught a lot of flack about my Catholocism and Irish bakground in Public School. The whole getting spit on coming back from Mass on Ash Wed was surreal.

As for whether I'm Irish or Irish-American, it's a perception thing as Ron stated. My In-laws certainly don't consider me to be Ã…merican and they let me know it..often, usually during Lent! My Husband's family fought in the American Revolution his Mom is DAR. From their point of view, my family are...oh...dare I say it..."Dirty Micks."

It's probabaly that more than anything that makes me something of a St. Patrick's day Scrooge. That and the fact that I known none of those people partying in the streets on St. Patricks Day!

I'll stay at home and make my husband some Lamb Stew and Apple Dumplings as stated above!

Now all-important FOOD talk:

PEACE: I use a beef suet pasty recipe. To my mind, no pasty is more tender than one made with beef suet. Here in Los Angeles you can also get Manteca, a type of meat lard which also makes a good pasty. if you don't eat pies and dumplings every day, it doesn't hurt to use the artery-clogging suet!

I'm also planning on making a Necatrine & Blueberry Fool because I got a box of Nectarines from my fruit of the month club this week. They'll be perfectly ripe in time for Friday. Fruit Fools aren't very common here in the US but I love them.

In case you care PEACE, I add some steel cut oatmeal(not american rolled oats) to my Lamb Stew to thicken it and for the vegatables I use Swede, marrow, parnsips, carrots, leeks and sweet onion. I also put some freshly grated ginger into the whole mess before baking it to add a nice bright taste. If you don't like nuggets of oats in your stew, you can leave them out and use pulverized rolled oats to thicken the gravy and get the same rich creamy flavor.


When I make my apple dumplings friday, I'll note what I use so I can message it to you (If I ever recall my password). I make it up as I go along.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: DougR
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:13 PM

I don't go near a Pub on St. Patrick's Day. Nothing but a very large crowd of folks that don't frequent it EXCEPT on St. Patrick's Day. Too many people, too many drunks on the road for me.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,Cluin
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:47 PM

one from James Gordon:


St. Patrick's Day

Look at that guy there, doesn't he take the cake?
The one yelling "Play The Black Velvet Band!"
He must be descended from one of those snakes
Old Saint Paddy drove from Ireland

Give him a green cardboard hat
And it makes him think that
He is King for a Day.
All his wasted years
Disappear in green beer
And he feels okay.

chorus:
Well I wouldn't be surprised
If his drunken dreams were realized.
Stranger things have happened on St. Patrick's Day

Okay, let's say, just for arguments' sake
That he's more than just a jerk in a bar
Underneath that polyester, he aches
Something has pushed him too far

And what does he think?
If he has enough drinks
Maybe things will change?
Suddenly
middle-aged
overweight
white guys
Will be the rage?

(chorus)

This loser-type guy
Wishes he could be Irish
For just one night.
All that shamrock luck,
He could drink it all up
And he'd be all right

(chorus)

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:15 PM

Happy St Patrick's Day to you then Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:57 PM

I love the day, it means a lot to me. My family and city used to celebrate it with an early mass, songs, green carnations and a parade.   Now I live where nobody else gets it.

The parades started in the 19th century as a point of ethnic pride, to prove how mainstream and respectable Irish in America could be. A secondary point was to honor St. Patrick, one of thethe world's greatest teachers and evangelists; a saint and scholar. This was during a time when the No-Nothings wanted immigration of the undesirable poor Irish to be stopped, and prejudice against Irish was real. Today the main parades are still no-alcohol celebrations of civic and ethnic pride, every business and union local and pipe band proud of its place in the community. (Others have degenerated into beer busts, I'll agree).   Since that time Irish-Americans have become the mainstream of society and few feel any need to honor their roots in such a tacky old way.

Our immigrant ancestors were economic migrants, some were abused evictees literally sent forcibly from their homes on coffin ships. They taught their kids to remember the homeland and to wear the green one day a year whether anybody liked it or not. And to be grateful they lived in a time and place where they could wear it 365 days a year without getting thrown in the jug.

If you don't like it, don't celebrate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:33 PM

I feel little connection with the various days set aside to celebrate things of this nature. That includes Christmas, New Years, St Patrick's Day, Queen Victoria's Day, Canada Day, Halloween, Easter, my Birthday, etc. I don't mind that others seem to enjoy these things, but I have found that it just ain't for me. I do however wish others things like Happy St Patrick's Day or Happy Birthday or Merry Christmas, etc, because it means something to them.

As to wearing green--if I do it's usually by accident because I also seldom know when these days fall during the week. I could never be arsed to remember when Holloween is, or most other days. It's all I can do to remember Monday thru Sunday and where I am in THAT. For example, it is by happenstance that I'm aware today is Thursday.

Parenthetically, I understood that St Patrick's Day was supposed to be a happy occasion. I guess I understood wrong.

Thanks for the grin, Fionn. Happy St Patrick's Day to you and most others here.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 01:21 PM

And in the interest of fairness:

Sometimes even native-born Irish can be idiots about their own heritage. ;) So perhaps it evens out in the end.

"Skangers" are what they call "chavs" in the U.K. I haven't yet figured out if the U.S. equivalent would be Wiggers or Skinheads.

Either way...disturbing.

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:57 AM

considering that beer seems to have found an express route to the bladder, I can only imagine what that green dye would do!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:45 AM

:::snicker::: Peace. :)

Maybe, but if you're in Ulster be careful of what neighborhood you're in.

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:42 AM

This doesn't even touch on the effect excessive liquid food-dye can have upon one's teeth...tongue...clothing...countertop...

Temporary? Well, maybe.

Attractive? $%^# no. (Images come to mind of little kids grossing out one another with their multicolored tongues, after one popsicle too many.)

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:39 AM

Is it OK to eat carrots?

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:37 AM

"you can see how the green beer caught on, it's catchy"

Uggh.   Maybe it the establishment. I would not frequent any tavern or pub that serves beer with food dye added to it.   I can't recall the last time I entered a place that did!

What really gets me is the local bagel shop that dyes their bagels green. Usually I would toss a green bagel!!

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:32 AM

The list is pretty long, actually. From textiles to archaeology to literature to music to history to environmental movements to religion to maritime museums

well okay, but you can see how the green beer caught on, it's catchy. Like the man says to Paul Simon in One Trick Pony, ya gotta have a hook!

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:24 AM

"I can understand some eyeball-rolling at thematic cheesiness from people who don't "get it"...but for those of us who DO, kindly let us hoist a pint in peace?"

By all means.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:24 AM

Hey, at least I was willing to sign it. :P

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:21 AM

Oh, jeezis, Windsinger, give it a rest, will you? It was tongue in cheek. I am well aware of the history of such.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:40 AM

The Roman festival was called Lupercalia. Lupercal is the cave where Romulus and Remus were found.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:31 AM

Kat, quite the opposite. ;)

As with a few other holidays, the Catholics yoinked St. Val's from the pagan Romans (it used to be a pretty raunchy fertility festival called "Lupercal") in order to absorb and make it "safe."

It was the Victorians who really started going nuts with the hearts and the flowers.

The Cathlolic Church removed St. Val's from the calendar as an official religious holiday back in the late 60's, so I imagine it's currently up for grabs.

Slán,

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:21 AM

A work in progress,,,,


The sun rose bright and clear today,
A brisk March wind straight up Broadway,
Pipes and drums sound pure and clear,
Plastic darbies, cold green beer,
Marching on me merry way,
See the Bud Girls on display,
Willy Yeats has gone away,
Hoist 'yer glass it's Paddy's day.


Near McSorley's crowded bar,
I sang 'em " Johnson's Motor Car",
Green lines painted in the street,
Boiled cabbage, pickled meat,
Played 'em one by Christie Moore,
" Ah, the red-haired actress, sure"
Tommy Davis begorrah s'gone away,
Hoist 'yer glass it's Paddy's day.

Put 'em out on your green lawns,
The auld tricolor, leprechauns,
Be a pal and watch me back,
All I miss is Captain Jack,
Sang one more, " The Foggy Dew",
Two o' clock me day was through,
Brendan Behan sure he's gone away,
Hoist 'yer glass it's Paddy's day.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:08 AM

I guess Prossies/Pagans/et alia shouldn't be allowed to send hearts and flowers on St. Valentine's day, not being Catholic and all. Making such a mockery of it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Alba
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:55 AM

LOL Paul or even Cuatro de Ennis!!:)

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:41 AM

Cinco de Mayo? There's me thinking it was Cuatro de Galway.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:31 AM

"What other reason do my Polish, Italian or Korean neighbors have to feel compelled to celebrate this particular holiday?"

See my comments earlier. It isn't about drinking or an excuse to get shitfaced. It is a celebration of a heritage that has offered a great deal to the fabric of our culture.   The drinking is overstated by the media.

If pride can't be shared, it isn't worth having.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Windsinger
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:03 AM

Honestly, most of the wankerish behavior comes from Americans of non-Irish descent, who have only observe the holiday because it's an excuse to get shitfaced by piggybacking off of someone else's ethnic pride. (Ex: What other reason do my Polish, Italian or Korean neighbors have to feel compelled to celebrate this particular holiday?)

A similar situation arises over Cinco de Mayo -- a day which most Mexicans could give a hoot about.

Having said that, you might find that a surprising amount of Amerians of Irish descent ARE in touch with their roots, and respectably and intelligently so. (And yes, some of us were so WELL before the fads of the 90's.)

Remember, the 17th only became a raging big deal in the States because of homesick immigrants and their offspring. Being that the Irish made up an enormous segment of the immigrant population in this coutry, it is not surprising that the phenomenon snowballed to its current size.

I can understand some eyeball-rolling at thematic cheesiness from people who don't "get it"...but for those of us who DO, kindly let us hoist a pint in peace?

Beannachtaí na Féile Pádraig oraibh (in advance).

~Fionn

www.geocities.com/children_of_lir

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 08:05 AM

The list is pretty long, actually. From textiles to archaeology to literature to music to history to environmental movements to religion to maritime museums...

Not all that difficult, really. And not one of them has to do with green beer and shamrocks.

MG, I don't begrudge you or other Irish Americans the day or the songs or anything like that. I am just depressed by the focus on drunkeness, and the demeaning stereotypes that go along with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 07:55 AM

so YOU set us straight. What aspect of Irishness would YOU like emphasised, so all of us uncool people will empathise with your nation in an unstereotypical and acceptable manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 01:42 AM

Jaysus, lad, sure and why don't ya feckin tell us how ya really feel?

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 12:49 AM

p.s. when you make fun of us and I bet you would even make fun of my shamrock that you press a button and it little green lights flashing you insult our ancesters, which you may or may not realize had extremely difficult lives, and how anyone not of their culture could feel free to make fun of the pitiful amount of pleasure they might ahve obtained by singing irish eyes are smiling is just plain mean. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Being Irish on St. Patrick's Day
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 12:47 AM

Read my somewhat irish American lips....I do not give a rat's ass what they think of us in Ireland. Not one whit. Let them do what they want over there. What we as irish Americans forgive the hyphenation or lack of it do is an Irish American holiday. i don't care what songs they sing in ireland, what beer they drink, whether or not they color their rivers green. it is or used to be before (a) the irish themslves and (b) everyone else ruined it my favorite day of the year. I don't have people to celebrate with and thre is really no point unles most of them are cut from the samecloth...but if I did I would be singing who threw the overalls in Mrs. Murphy's chowder and Molly Malone and especially the kerry dancers....for th last and final time it does not matter what they sing in Ireland..does not matter....d you finally get it???????? mg