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Subject: What a waste Ian Dury From: Cllr Date: 15 Mar 06 - 08:07 PM In one of the BS threads someone (PB) mentioned Ian Dury I could be the driver in articulated lorry I could be a poet, I wouldn't need to worry I could be the teacher in a classroom full of scholars I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs I could be a lawyer with strategems and muses I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises I could be a writer with a growing reputation I could be the ticket-man at Fulham Broadway station What a waste! I got into folk music, sort of, from Led Zep acoustic album (iii) and Jethro Tull's Songs from the Wood slipping into Steeleye Span but I still remeber as one of my all time favourite gigs seeing Ian Dury and the music students on the "F**K off noddy tour" around 1983 at Brunel university It got me to thinking about punk and whether there were influences on folk I had missed perhaps from bands no longer performing but still worth a listen any suggestions? Cllr |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Bird Flu Date: 15 Mar 06 - 09:18 PM The Oysterband are worth checking out.Then there's Billy Bragg and Shane McGowan both Punk/Folk Funk/Polk |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: GUEST,Nicholas Waller Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:01 AM The Men They Couldn't Hang might be worth a look, probably punk/rock slightly influenced by folk rather than the other way round. Their "Rain, Steam and Speed" from Silvertown is a good song, named after the mid-19thC Turner impressionistic painting of a Great Western steam locomotive barrelling over a Brunel bridge (at 30mph, apparently). Rain is the cold Steam is the burn Speed is the way the world turns (round) Some men build a monument Some men build a tomb Some men move the world around To give them breathing room Some men carve a statue Of Isambard Brunel Some men carve a tunnel into hell "It is not unfair to say they had a very Pogue-like feel with hard-driving versions of traditional tunes, hard-edged punk voice, and a hard-left political angle, epitomized by their first track, "Ironmasters," an angry recounting of the losing fight of unions against industry."(http://www.greenmanreview.com/tmtch.html) |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Ross Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:56 AM I went to see the Stiff record label tour at Lancaster University in 1978 I think it was Ian Drury, Elvis Costello, Nick Lowe and someone else There were a lot of quirky songs that were supposed to be punk - Nick Lowes - I'm a police car was one I remembered - original Elvis Costello is quite quirky too I suppose artists on the Stiff Label would be a place to look - they were definitely different to the SP's, Clash & Damned in the main stream Are you doing anything locally folk wise? |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Fullerton Date: 16 Mar 06 - 11:01 AM XTC had a very folky phase (Check out the "Settlement" album.) |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: alanabit Date: 16 Mar 06 - 03:40 PM I wonder if the other person you saw on that tour was Jonah Lewie, Ross? He also played them. Another participant was Lene Lovich, if I remember rightly. |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: RMLondon Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:02 PM I saw that tour in the Lyceum in London...I think "Police Car" was Larry Wallis not Nick Lowe ...or Larry Wallis and the Whole Wide World... For "Quirky" "Punky" and "Folky" you can't do much better than Attila the Stockbroker ... and some of the stuff Jah Wobble is currently doing... is very folk orientated I also think Robb Johnson ( www.robbjohnson.co.uk )is a musician (playing in lots of folk clubs) who has a significant amount of punk sensibilities about his stuff - and he does a cracking acoustic version of London's Burning |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Goose Gander Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:43 PM Ian Dury never came up, but the folk-punk question was discussed in this thread |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Cllr Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:47 PM Thanks RMLondon Robb is excellent. He was my main resident at a club I ran in Slough about ten yrs back! |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Geoff the Duck Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:55 PM Mike - they didn't appear until late 1980s and their politics are definitely not yours, but the Levellers did some musically stirring stuff. Quack! Geoff. |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Alba Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:55 PM Jings I was just thinking about XTC's song "Senses working overtime" the other day:) Jude |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: JohnB Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:38 PM Sex and Drugs and Rock'n'Roll, what my brain and body needs. JohnB |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Ross Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:51 AM Hi all - you could be right about 'police car' But in my defence - It was illegal not to be drunk at a gig as student Nick Lowe was always pinching other peoples stuff Was Iggy Pop & the Stooges gutter folk Did you know Ampthill is sinking into the Ouse Valley? |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: GUEST,BazT Date: 17 Mar 06 - 07:32 AM Lena Lovich "Lucky Number" was the first record I ever bought...I can't say with any certainty wether things have improved or worsened since then! I do "Anarchy in the UK", "Teenage Kicks" and a couple of Nick Cave songs for badness at my local folk club. I do 'em in a "folkee-stylee" , but I have to say they don't exactly go down a storm, tending to split the room somewhat. In my defence, I try to make sure that I "earn" my abberations by doing a good few traditional songs between them. In terms of "punk/folk" crossovers, I've got a foot in both camps, and I reckon some of the songs Nick Cave writes are great examples of songs with lyrical themes that occur in folk (murder, ships, seduction, erm....murder) but in a more "rock" format. Check out his albums "Murder Ballads" and "Abbattoir Blues". |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: fat B****rd Date: 17 Mar 06 - 02:56 PM Wreckless Eric was on the LIve Stiffs tour referred to. |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: Geoff the Duck Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:57 PM I've got the LP somewhere. Stiffs live. Wreckless Eric, Nick Lowe, Elvis Costelo, Dave Edmunds, Larry Wallis, sex, drugs, rock&roll and chaos.... also - Thin Lizzy, Graham Parker & the Rumour, Kursaal Flyers (I was recently told they had folk scene connections),Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias (Bob Marley meets Bob Dylan meets Punk). And my all time faves Horslips - and Charles o'Connor is a really nice bloke, now living in Whitby, The Official Website and CDs. Quack! GtD. |
Subject: RE: What a waste Ian Dury From: ifor Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:24 AM Try listening to The Boys From The Hill...Swansea and Wales'finest secret...urban folk with plenty of attitude and great songs including Brechfa Forest written by Andy Jones of the band. Ifor This is a band that should be booked at festivals across the land |
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