BS: HP Sauce

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 02:20 AM

Cheeky bugger LOL :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Bert
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:44 PM

In England it's Wooster sauce.
Now getting back to HP sauce. If Villain is proud of it along with being proud of Aston Villa that doesn't say too much for poor ol' HP sauce.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 06:12 PM

Next they'll be putting beer in bottles. Like, what's THAT about?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 03:25 PM

Now waitaminute! Did someone say "squeeze bottle"????? Isn't that going a bit too far? Some things just shouldn't be meddled with.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 03:20 PM

Mario,

Out west in Washington where I learned to use the sauce we pronounced it "Wurster-sure" keeping the "shire" intact but slighly slurred.

;-D

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 04:26 AM

No-one ever needs sauce, Clinton, but it's nice to have. Kind of like folk music and obstreperous Canadians...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 08:36 PM

Regular or the fruity kind?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 07:40 PM

I think it was probably a mistake to have faith in HP sauce to start off with.

An HP sauce apostate.......the chances of finding a support group are minimal.

Time to face future bravely: that means everything; the new label and the squeezy bottle.

Now might be a good time - its on offer at Somerfield this week.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 05:22 PM

You're back to being your loving, warm self. Good to see.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 05:21 PM

I was just trying to be as predictable as you are...

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:41 PM

"You certainly are...."

I KNEW you'd say that.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:22 PM

%)__<>>.

Howzat?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:22 PM

You certainly are....

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:21 PM

Well, I'm tryin'.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:11 PM

"How's that?"

It doesn't look like anything...

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:44 AM

I'm glad there are other warped minds - Was I the only one who saw the thread title and thought - 'Oh, Harry Potter as an alcoholic!"

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: clueless don
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:41 AM

Oh shucks, you mean this isn't another Harry Potter thread?

Don

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 11:40 AM

"Then use smilies, like everyone else on the internet.... that's what they're for! :-P"

;;I;;

How's that?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 11:37 AM

" It was meant jocularly, Clinton."

Then use smilies, like everyone else on the internet.... that's what they're for! :-P

"Is nothing sacred anymore?"
I hope not :-|

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 11:35 AM

?? never heard that - but commonly hear 'woost-ur-sheer' or in massachusetts 'woost-ah-sheer'

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 11:31 AM

LOL

It was meant jocularly, Clinton. I love HP Sauce. Even after the change of recipe and label.

Reminded me of a commercial for some sorta barbeque sauce: They used

Bar-bar-bar-bar-bar-be-que, bar-bar-bar-bar-bar-be-que--and all I could think was, "Is nothing sacred anymore?"

Incidentally, it's Worcestershire Sauce. There's no 'h' in it. Or 'p' either for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 11:27 AM

Just to help on this discussion I have copied and pasted this article from a Birmingham website.

Worcester Sauce

Worcestershire Sauce was brought back from India by Lord Marcus Sandys, ex-Governor of Bengal, who gave it to two local chemists, John Lea and William Perrins, with an order for a large batch to be made up from his recipe. A few weeks later he returned to pick up the sauce, only to proclaim upon sampling some that it tasted filthy and was nothing like how it should be, and left in disgust.

Nothing more was thought of this until the chemists discovered it at the back of their stores a few months later, and they decided to give it just one more try before tipping it down the drain. To their surprise, the foul-tasting anchovy broth, after being left to ferment, had matured into an interesting spicy condiment, and they immediately purchased the recipe from Lord Marcus. So thanks to this chance retasting,1838 saw the UK's best-known sauce launched, and the name of Worcestershire Sauce (originally called just Worcester Sauce), has spread to be mispronounced by many a foreigner in every corner of this spherical world.

In the UK, Worcestershire is pronounced 'woost-ur-shire' and Worcestershire Sauce is referred to as 'Worcester Sauce', pronounced 'woos-tah'. In many other parts of the world, however, it is referred to as 'War-sest-uh-shire' Sauce.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 11:15 AM

"They changed the recipe at the same time they changed the label."

So... maybe... just maybe they changed it for the better....   

What exactly are 'folkies' so afraid of, that they think that all change is bad?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:37 AM

Yep to that here, Mario. My grandmom said it that way--she was English. The merest hint of 'sh' on the end of 'wooster'.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:35 AM

back to pronunciations!

"Worchester" = 'wooster', correct?

and you are telling me "worchestershire" is also pronounced 'wooster'?    the "shire" is silent in its entirety?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:26 AM

Clinton, Clinton, Clinton: They changed the recipe at the same time they changed the label.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 08:55 AM

I'll go back home then Strolli' :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 07:42 AM

"... traditions change.... ALL traditions change.... "

This year we are going to perform Handel's Messiah on tin whistle and bagpipes, with the Vienna Boys Choir, as arranged by Phillip Glass.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 06:57 AM

It's the only good thing that ever came out of Brummagem! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:59 AM

Foolestroupe....I work for a company that supplies HP, and Lea and Perrins and the ingredients we suppy are top quality....just to put your mind at rest!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:42 AM

SRS, sorry - 'haute'.
Anybody know the rest?

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 11:42 PM

Hate or Haute?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 11:40 PM

"The French on the label was 'tradition'"

Suck it up... traditions change.... ALL traditions change....

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 07:05 PM

I used to have that French bit memorised!:

"Cette sauce de hate qualité est un mélange fruits orienteaux, des épices, et de vinaigre de malt."

There's more, but I've forgotten it.

Anyone?

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 06:07 PM

The French on the label was 'tradition' destroyed by some stupid arrogant ignorant marketing weasel. If the company cared that little about the image of its product, would they care about the taste, or the quality of the ingredients?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 05:43 PM

How dare people confuse Worcester Sauce with HP sauce.

As a Brummy, we were proud of our HP Sauce, M&B Mild, Ansells Bitter, Cadburys Chocolate, GEC, British Leyland, Aston Villa, The Rotunda (which my brothet heped to build), Spaghetti Junction, The Brummies Speedway Team, Birchfield Harriers (one of the finest athletic clubs - my father ran for them, and should have gone to the olympics, which his parents couldn't afford, so he didn't go (major diapointment for him), Warwickshire Cricket Club, Jasper Carrot (but not his crap B'ham City :-) ), The Bullring.

Ah those were the days when work was plenty and Brum was a thriving city. Get very dispondant when I go back now.

Better come back to reality at Market Rasen where the grass is green, the air fresh and bugger all to do except for going to great folk clubs such as Gainborough and Market Rasen. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 04:34 PM

Do you judge book by their covers too?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 04:16 PM

I lost faith in HP Sauce when they changed the label.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM

I grew up on the stuff, and I love it.
In fact, I just finished a chicken and HP sammitch.
When I was a kid we had HP and bread and butter sammitches.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:33 PM

"Sure sounds like A1 sauce to me"

HP beat A1 hands down in my book... but I wouldn't put either of them on a good cut of meat...

For that matter... if you aren't a total mess, and can cook a good slab of meat even half way decently, it shouldn't NEED any sauce.....

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:30 PM

"Cette sauce de haute qualite est un melange d'epice, des fruits orienteux et..."
Does anyone else remember whwn they had the ingredients listed in French on the label? as a compulsive reader I was fascinated by this as a child.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: scouse
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 04:18 AM

Bought Hp up in the backwoods of Sweden, and all over Denmark but here the dear Ol' "Cloggies." in the Netherlands still seem to prefere Tomato sauce from Heinz..People in the supermarkets look at you strange when you ask for HP, As Aye, Scouse..

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:10 AM

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia for everything, but their article on HP Sauce is interesting. And you can get it animated at HP Foods.
Sure sounds like A1 sauce to me.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:02 AM

HP, A-1, Wooster - it's all basically the same flavor type. Anchovies optional, I guess.

I use a bit in recipes at times, but I sure don't like it glopped on my steak.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:38 PM

Tamarind is the slightly bitter taste in both "'Wooster'-type" sauces and HP.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:58 PM

HP Sauce is a 'British Thing' - it come in square sided bottles, and we only have it in Aus cause of our historical connections.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: DougR
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:59 PM

I assume HP is a sauce that is used to flavor steaks, roasts, other types of meat? Is it applied to the meat before, or after, cooking? I've never heard of HP sauce.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM

HP ... Luv it!!

BTW, for those Canucks that are fans of HP, I suggest that you can save $1.00 a bottle buy purchasing President's Choice Steak Sauce ... it is HP made by the Canadian Company E.D. Smith ... who happens to have the HP manufacturing licence here in Canada.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 03:24 PM

Our affectionate name for the sauce is "What's-It-Shit Sauce."

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 02:46 PM

HP isn't Worcester sauce. Totally different beast. And yes, it's 'wooster-sher', not 'werchester-shyre' as I heard one American refer to it. It made I larff! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 01:47 PM

Ever since I started putting HP on my french fries, I've even considered using ketchup.... on anything...

"with a little Tabasco"
So yer adding vinegar to vinegar? Sounds pretty redundant to me...

http://www.melindas.com/
Best all-round in the world

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 12:24 PM

Harry Palmer? So is the Funeral of Danone's ownership taking place in Berlin?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: open mike
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 12:17 PM

ok i looked it up HP = Harry Palmer
http://www.hpfoods.com/brands/hpsauce/
and the giant food company Heinz has bought the company
and from this report:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4110006.stm
there is mention of the brand we see in the US:
"Danone had bought HP Foods - which also makes sauces
under the Lea & Perrins brand - for £199m from Hanson in 1998."

and it is no longer owned by the French company, since June...
UK-based HP Foods, which also makes sauces under the Lea & Perrins, Daddies and Amoy names, was sold by French group Danone in June.

sounds like these companies are being tossed around
like hot potatoes...

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: David C. Carter
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 12:03 PM

"wooster" it is.
Will check out your recipes.Nice one.

Cheers

David

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: open mike
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:50 AM

is this discussion about Worchestershire sauce, then?
Sorcha knows how to make it...we got some tamarind from
a thai food catalog to put in it...that is the hardest
ingredient to find...and that may be ine secret ingredient
that gives it the flavor...no, wait, it is probably the
unspecified spices what ever those are...

the most commonly available brande in the U.S. is
http://www.lea-perrins.com/selecta.php\

here is a recipe--but who in the world knows what sauce sauce is??
http://www.recipesource.com/side-dishes/sauces/02/rec0200.html
I think the recipe often contains anchovies..
and this one has ginger:
http://www.recipesource.com/side-dishes/sauces/worcestershire01.html

is it really pronounced "wooster"?
here is the wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_sauce

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:25 AM

A thousand apologies Foolestroupe, I thought you meant your mate was eating 'marter sauce. My old grey cells must be dying off quicker than I realised! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: David C. Carter
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:06 AM

The picture of Parliament on the HP bottle,is a good indicator of the contents inside the bottle!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:54 AM

Cousin's barbecue sauce is the one I prefer if I'm planning to spill it on my HP. (Though what I spilled on the HP yesterday was Diet Rite cola)

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Maryrrf
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:54 AM

I think HP sauce tastes a lot like A1 Sauce in the US. I like it on some things.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:49 AM

No you've got it all wrong, the best sauce is good old British gravy.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:45 AM

There is no sauce in the known universe which can compare favorably with that of The Pig Barbecue in Jacksonville, Florida. It is a fact. It is well-known that all references to "ambrosia" or "manna" in ancient religious tracts were originally references to Pig Barbecue sauce but had to be changed because it would be too much work for the priests to have to explain how their various gods were able to partake of something that wouldn't be created for thousands of years.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:13 AM

HP makes a sauce? Our of what -- old computers?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: David C. Carter
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:06 AM

HP,Original Brown Sauce.Picture of the Abbey on the label.
HP Foods,Birmingham.
DANONE!......Bought it in the American Store here.
That's clear enough then!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 09:15 AM

Which sauce bottle had(s) the picture of the Abbey on it's label.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 09:13 AM

Ah yes Ansells Bitter, HP Sauce and Spaghetti Junction......a symphony of smells!

dull would be the nose indeed .....
(View the M5 flyover by William Wordsworth))

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 09:00 AM

I know this is pulling out the big one but .....

Patak's Extra Hot Pickled Limes. Enough flavour to occupy thr brain of a dolphin.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:29 AM

See, I told you - whatever they do to the tomatoes kills whatever my friend is allergic to!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:24 AM

HP Sauce ingredients:Malt Vinegar, Tomatoes, Molasses,Spirit Vinegar,
Glucose,Fructose,Dates, Sugar,Salt,Maize starch,Rye Flour Tamarind Extract,unspecified spices & Onion extract.
Yum Yum

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:15 AM

So what's in HP, if it contains no tomatos?

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:47 AM

Foolestroupe, HP's Brown Sauce isn't it? Are you thinking of Tomato Ketchup? In the UK, 'HP' means brown sauce and 'Red Sauce'means tomato ketchup. You'd get some very funny looks if someone asked you to pass the HP and you gave them tomato ketchup. LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: GUEST,mack/misophist
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:46 AM

We don't seem to have Daddies Sauce in the US. Guess I'll have to stick with HP. It can be improved with a little Tabasco.

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:22 AM

I have a friend who is allergic to tomatoes, but can eat HP sauce!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:17 AM

I too prefer Daddies to HP, well I mean HP is owned by the French isn't it?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 04:19 AM

HP Fruity - ambrosia! (Esp. on proper Lincolnshire sausage sarnies).
Aaaaahhh Yuss!

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 04:19 AM

It has long been MY opinion that The Houses of Parliament have got a lot of sauce !

Subject: RE: BS: HP Sauce
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 04:00 AM

Fairly good.

But Daddies sauce is better IMHO.

Dave Earl

Subject: BS: HP Sauce
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 03:32 AM

HP Sauce.Good Thing or Bad thing?