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number 6 18 Mar 06 - 05:29 PM
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Subject: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:29 PM

Today ... across the world were numerous Peace Protests marking the 3rd anniversery of the Iraq War ... from what I'm reading reports are indicating small turnouts. Does this indicate apathy towards world peace, especially a war that is no doubt in question morally wrong ... or was the weather too cold to keep the opponents from protesting?

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: John O'L
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:31 PM

This is the first I've heard of it and it's already the 19th here, so maybe it just wasn't pushed hard enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: gnu
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:31 PM

Nobody told me.


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From: jacqui.c
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:33 PM

Never heard anything about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:35 PM

I'm actually saddened, surprised various peace movements around the world didn't publicise this ... and I'm also saddened that there is not more organized marches and movements against this war .... especially in the U.S.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:40 PM

One posting here from the CBC.

3rd annivesary of the War in the Iraq

I heard about it 3 days ago. I dunno, if I was an American I certainly would have been out today ... I just wouldn't be able to let this war weigh on my concience ... since it would be my country's war.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:43 PM

So am I, sIx. I didn't know about until I drove past our local college, today. There were a few people standing on all four corners of the busiest intersection in town. I was glad to see them. My son and I had just been talking about this and then, there they were. It did my heart good to see them, but I wish it had been more publicised. I dont' get any of the local papers as they are mostly worthless; the local tv news is sorely lacking in anything which could potentially be controversial; and, there are no orgs. in this part of Colorado which are close enough to belong to. This is the one instance where I can see the Internet does not provide enough in local interest.

FWIW, I asked my son why he thought we didn't have more of a protest movement. He said every Republican he knew, in several areas of the nation, cannot stand Bush, are angry about Iraq, but he doesn't knwo why they don't do something about it. I said, I hoped they would vote Democratic come next Nov. He said he doubted any of them would ever do so, so...it's like a stand-off of apathy as near as I can see. Bush has them paralysed with his fear-mongering.

kat

PS. The American Friends Service League is doing what they can.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: GUEST,The Prophet
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:44 PM

Humbly submitted, that the wave of cartoon protesTs have put some wind back into Bush's sails. Bush is now the devil we know, and Radical Islam is the devil that's actually a lot worse than we thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: John O'L
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:47 PM

sIx, I am probably way out of touch with such things, but I get the empression that whatever peace movements there might be around the world are very much overwhelmed by the strength of the fascists and the apathy of everyone else.

Or maybe the're jsut worn out..


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:47 PM

I understand fully Kat ... I feel at this stage something has to be done ... and it has to start at the grass roots level ... it has to start moving NOW. Live's, and not just innocent Iranian, but the sons and daughters of the U.S. depend on resistance within the U.S.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 05:58 PM

I agree, sIx, but it seems too many have lost their way. We need a Voice, someone who can unite and inspire.

Here's a thought/question: is it possible people are too dissipated because of the internet; the insulariity it affords one, plus the overwhelming amount of orgs. one can belong to online? It takes much less effort to sign an online petition and send emails than to march in protest; I do so every week. Could it be it has lessened the effect of our protests? If so, how do we unite those efforts to bring about real change?

So far, the only way I can see to really make any changes in the near future, barring a revolution, is to make sure as many people as possible get out and vote next Fall. I am concentrating my efforts on that.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 06:18 PM

I believe marches have a place Kat ... the more people being visible on the streets making a protest sends a message to the nation and to the world ... maybe I'm old fashione being from the school of Martin Luther King and Gandhi ... signing petitions, and e-mails has it's place, but they just aren't visible ... as for the vote, it's 2 years away from now, I and I feel that is too far off.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: DougR
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 06:45 PM

Wow! A grand total of two turned up to protest at Congressman Hayworth's office in Arizona.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:12 PM

It's good when only a few protestors show up, Doug. It makes it much easier for the authorities to identify them for later...you know, when they round up all those subversives who stand in the way of pre-emptive military campaigns and legitimate arms profits and that sort of thing and cart them off on special trains to "work camps" in the desert? With any luck, it may happen in your lifetime. You may yet get to live in a gated community where no form of protest has ever even been seen or even thought of... ;-D

Won't it be wonderful then? I bet the dress code there will be really neat too. It'll be just like being back in the Ozzie and Harriet show. Oh boy...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:39 PM

Yes, it was poorly promoted... Part of the problem is that the media still ain't up to the task of doing much reporting of anti-war stuff... The same was true in the mad-dash-to-Iraq days... The media stonewalled the anit-war movnment... Hey, the media is in Bush's hip pocket and they aren't going to change...

But ANSWER didn't get the demonstratins promoted outside of the inner cities where the protests occured... Why??? Probably a lack of funds... A lot of folks just aren't contributing to ANSWER and other peace organizations because they have just become hardened to the fact that we don't have a government that could give a danged if 10 million folks showed up in DC... No, this government has figgured out that it has the people beaten down and knows that if they throw enough corporate money into smoke-screen advertising every couple years that with that, their Christain Right puppets and a few rednecks that actaully vote that they will win and win and win...

But foer those of you, Dougie included, hope yer enjoying the "shock and awe"....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:38 PM

Doesn't matter how many people show up if the media doesn't report on the actual numbers. If the media reports anything at all, they usually try to bury it where no one will see it, and they under-report the numbers.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Alba
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:49 PM

Thanks for this Thread Number 6.
Like yourself I heard nothing about this until after the event.

I will also ignore any Bushites popping in with any attempt at sarcasm because I truly believe that anyone who still supports this Administration and it's policies has lost ALL credibility in my eyes. As has the Administration they blindly follow.

I believe that attention was deflected, here in the US anyway, from this call for Protests by 'Operation Swarmer' (I have already made my feelings regarding that fiasco elsewhere on another thread)

The supposedly 'Liberal Media' gave little if any attention at all to the fact that there was to be Global Peace protests, choosing instead to report on the re-run of 'Shock and Awe'. This is a Country at War. The Media is being used to promote Propaganda, not anti-War Protests.
I am at a loss as to what to do other than take personal responsibility regarding my feelings about this War and this President and his corrupt Administration, regardless of the fact that my Vote didn't not put them in Power. This has gone beyond Republican and Democratic demographics.
This present Government has become, in my opinion, a serious threat to Global Unity and Security.
Their poll numbers will continue to drop and as they do Republican Senators and Republicans in the House will continue to put as much distance as they can between their Party and this President and his twisted Administration before the elections in the Fall because not all Republicans are extreme right wing Neo Conservatives. That is why I am concentrating my energy on the two Republican Senators and the one Democratic House Representative in my State and will truly keep the pressure on them. My own personal protest if you like.

Taken from an Essay on Geopolitics. The Conscience of a Nation by P. Jenkins:

"The world-view of dissidents (protestors), who often simply give voice to commonsense, does not fit into the conventional world-view and is therefore highly threatening. Perceived threats posed by dissidents (protestors) are often over emphasized or painted in horrendous proportions in order to distort the true message dissidents (protestors) are seeking to convey. Any punitive threats by the system against dissidents(protestors) are either overlooked or supported by the media, as if order and sanity were being protected and restored. This dominance game can continue even when many of its players know it is obsolete or misplaced"

May Peace Prevail.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:59 PM

Media is based on 'numbers' ... if numbers of people are seen ... the media will divert there attention to the movement ... as mentioned, I'm from the old school of Martin Luther King and Ghandi ... it worked for them against all odds of economics and 'the media' ... I'm sure it would work again ... if there is a will, there is a way if not for the sake of humanity.

I agree with you Alba, Operation Swarmer was a calculated movement to divert attention ... but todays Peace marches matched it in effect ... I guess the Peace Movement needs substantial leadership or for people to wake up and quit complaining, to take action.

Appreciating everyone's input .. sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:11 PM

The methods you describe haven't worked for any of the other anti-Iraq War protests, number 6, and there were many people who attended some of those. And that may be why people aren't showing as much interest any more.

Although I think there were forces in the media that worked against the protests during the Martin Luther King era (which my mother was involved with when I was a child), I think the media in the US is substantially different today than it was during that previous period.

The US media today is totally controlled and has no independence whatever.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:16 PM

So ...what's the answer Carol ... just throw our arms up in the air and keep complaining?

I don't think the media is much different today than it was back in the 1960's ...or even the 1940's. Then they were just as much controlled by the big corporation, govenment hooks and newspaper barons.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:18 PM

I think we a society have become very apathetic ... the passion of humanity is lacking as we become falsley secure with our material lives.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:27 PM

Correct, Carol. It's a managed and centralized media, owned by a few big players. It is the de facto accomplishment of what Orwell and Huxley warned of in their books, but very different in how it expresses itself...through a corporate free marketing consumer empire rather than a drab, monolithic quasi-communist style regime.

Consumerism is far more clever at enslaving people than drab, authoritarian, boring old communism, because it panders so effectively to all the common human appetites and weaknesses. The monkey is in the cage, but he doesn't realize it's a cage since he never sees the bars, and he's busy eating all the sugary fruit they overfeed him with daily. To enslave a people most effectively, first convince them that they are free!

I never heard so much talk about freedom ("It's a free country.") as when I lived in the USA. I was distinctly aware each time upon crossing back into Canada that Canada was essentially a freer, calmer, safer, more peaceful society...and yet no one had to say so. Find a country where people never stop talking loudly about how free they are, how much freer they are than everyone else in the world, and you will find something lurking behind all the talk. That something is fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 12:01 AM

sIx, I totally agree that marches have their place and it IS good and important for everyone to see such numbers; I, too, have done much in that respect. I was just positing an idea of why we may not see as many folks out doing so, i.e. because they find it easier to use the internet to protest. Just a thought.

It's always been said the best advertising is word of mouth; that for every one letter received by a Congressperson, they figure a certain number of their constituents feel the same way, so...even if only two people showed up to protest, they can be counted as many, many more.

We NEED a MLK or Ghandi. As I said above, someone to galvanise us out of our apathy and fear.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 12:05 AM

"We NEED a MLK or Ghandi. As I said above, someone to galvanise us out of our apathy and fear."

You got it right there with that one Kat! I agree 100%.

I'm certasinly not against contacting political representatives ...one must also be relentless in that pursuit also.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 12:44 AM

number 6:

I don't know necessarily that it is apathy. It might be a tacit realization by people that governments just don't listen to their citizens anymore. So many people feel disenfranchised, and rightfully so I think. I know in the last election I felt like I had the choice of voting for people who would follow a party line, regardless of what that line was, or not vote at all. I marred my ballot.

I agree with you that we must do more, and I wonder if the younger people are awaiting older folks to show them how. And if so, then waht's the best way to show 'em?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 12:57 AM

I agree with you on the vote Peace ... I marred mine also. After all elections can be rigged .. example being Bush in the last 2 and yes even Kennedy in 1960.

How can we show the younger people ... by marching in the streets. Get people out enforce ... it is the action that has changed history in many ways ... recent example being the corrupt election in the Ukraine.

As I said in previous posts .... the media is attracted to numbers. If an unprecented number of people where out today ... there is no doubt in my mind the media would have been there ... after all, the 'numbers' out in the streets protesting would result in higher 'numbers' in the viewers watching the evening news and buying the papers .. and these 'numbers' mean revenue to them, and these 'numbers' attract more politians in speaking up and eventually making a change.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 06:41 AM

We need someone to lead us, so we don't have to think or act too much and then if something goes wrong, s/he can take the blame and all the violence can be directed toward that one person initially. After a period of unrest where most of the activly thinking and free acting people get killed we can continue being apathetic with a lighter conscience.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 08:05 AM

Having attended all of the major Washington DC protests (except 1) during Bush's mad-dask-to-Iraq, yeah, I did notice that the media wouldn't tell the truth about the numbers or print photographs that were intended to show just how many folks were involved... The media also gave the pro-Bush-hawks, irregardless of their small numbers almost equal press...

But there's something else going on here that effects the numbers of folks willing to egt in their cars or on buses at unGodly eraly hours to attend a protest and that is the demise of democracy itself on the federal level under Bush. Not only did these crooks steal their way into power but once there they have shown time and again that they couldn't care less for folks opionions other then theirs...

I'll be the first to admit that it has become very disheartening to try to effect any change on national policy in the US because the federal governemnt is completely out of touch...

Yeah, like I have pointed out, looks as if change in America is going to occur from the local governemnts up... Too bad it is this way... During the Viet nam war we always felt that folks in DC were concerned about getting re-elected but the federal system is so corrupted that 90% of folks there don't have to worry too much about that as long as they stroke their corporate buddies...

No, this is not a good excuse for not attending anti-war rallies but I believe it to an underlieing cause of the more apathetic culture that has set in in the country...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: GUEST,The Prophet
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 10:50 AM

Sounds more like you want to surrender but you can't find anyone to take your celery sticks. Life continues to be a bitch, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 11:03 AM

Hey, I thought we were FOR peace - shouldn't it be a Peace (something other than Protest)?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 02:03 PM

Let's not forget the reason we don't have Dr. King to lead us any more... when he started speaking out against the Vietnam War, they shot him dead.

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think we can just sit on our hands and do nothing. But I don't know if marches are the most effective way to make change any more. I think maybe they're not. I haven't figured out yet what will work better though. I do think the internet will be a part of whatever it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 02:13 PM

BTW, check this out...


Here are the top headlines in Yahoo for the US, as of 1:59 PM today. There is no mention of any protests whatever:

http://news.yahoo.com/i/578

Here are the top headlines in the Canada Yahoo page as of 1:59 PM today. The protests are the top story on the page:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=1856

Marches can't work with this kind of media blackout in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:09 PM

It's on CNN ...

   CNN

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Kaleea
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:14 PM

". . .all we are saying, is . . ."


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:20 PM

Interesting that of 75450 people who answered the question, "Do you think anti-war protests have an effect on world leaders", only 24853 responded in the affirmative.

http://edition.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/23879.content.html


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:22 PM

... is give Peace a chance ... what's wrong with that Kaleea.

CarolC ... I wouldn't trust Yahoo, or even Google as they comply to the demands of totalatarian governments .. case in point China and wouldn't we suspect the democratic government of the U.S.

People out in the streets protesting is the only true visible way of seeing how a countrie's citizens are making a stand.

I certainly don't beleive the people of the U.S. agree with the war as a whole ... but the world is watching and the preception is that the American people go along with it's current governments war in Iraq.

I say .. get out there, make a stand, be seen to the world ... that you don't agree with your governments war.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:28 PM

Apathy peace ... too comfortable, let other's do the job.

Not long ago thousands of people made a stand in Peking ... it made a difference, not a lot, but it did make an impact, look at the Ukraine recently with their corrupt election. Remeber Poland some 30 ears ago, remember the marches in Prague back in the early 1990's.

Those figures you showed with that poll Peace would be the same back in the 1940's ... Ghandi made a difference ... and I do beleive the result s would have been more shocking just before the Peace marches for desegragation, and the Vietnamn war. I took time ... but seeing people out in the streets eventually got the point across.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:30 PM

It's not visible if it isn't covered by the media. It's really not. This is the country where a large percentage of people believe (because they have been mislead by the government and the media) that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Perception is everything.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:34 PM

What about the CBC, BBC and other foreign media groups ... The Peace march was making news on the CBC here this morning ... don't use your own country's controlled media an excuse ... there is a whole big world out there ... and if the people of the U.S. stand up and be seen for the sake of truth and humanity ... the world will see it ... The U.S. government can't put an iron curtain around your country.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:39 PM

Martin Luther King and Ghandi are what they are today ... why, because they stoop up against all the odds .... and even sacrificed their lives for the cause of humanity and Peace.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:44 PM

"because they stoop up against all the odds"

Jeeesh .... stood up against all the odds.

One of these days I will learn how to type.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: autolycus
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:44 PM

Doesn't seem to be anything on BBC or Guardian Unlimited websites.


Once again, oh, dearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 03:46 PM

The media in the US has never been all that accurate to do with protest events. I recall a march in NYC. Minimum of 300,000 marchers. The media reported 50,000. Go figger.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 05:45 PM

Most people in the US don't even know about the CBC or the BBC. They won't see anything that's covered by those organizations. Most people in the US will not be impacted in any way by any reportage coming from those sources. If they don't know about it, they can't react to it.

My own opinion, now that I've thought about it a little bit, is that the only way for things to change is for people, in the US and elsewhere, to help other people learn how to read and watch the news with a lot of skepticism, no matter what the source. Don't accept anything from any news source at face value. Get the main points being presented from the media outlets and thorougly investigate them yourself. Then form your own conclusions.

We (the voters) are just too easily bought. That needs to change before there will be any real change in the way the US does things. I think the voters in quite a few countries are too easily bought.

I tend to suspect that the only way the US will be taken down a peg will be through outside forces over which the US cannot prevail, like the world econonomy making the US irrelevant as a super power. Of course, the main behind-the-scenes string pullers will largely remain the same, regardless of which country dominates, so probably not much will change even then.

So I think that what will finally make the difference will be that the on the ground reality will eventually favor things that are fairly small and independent rather than large and monolithic. And that's when humanity will be forced to adopt a stance that is based on enlightened self-interest rather than on greed and corruption.

On the subject of Dr. King... of course he made an immense difference. Much changed substantially because of his methods and his work. However, not anywhere near as much as you might tend to think.

JtS and I live in a neighborhood that, as far as we have been able to determine, has never had any non-African American residents in it's entire history (almost one hundred years), until we moved in. That isn't because of de jure segregation... more of a de facto segregation. But it's still segregation, and it's still a problem in many places in the US almost a half century after Dr. King was killed. There's still a hell of a lot of that sort of thing in this country. And one person, or even a whole bunch of people marching couldn't change that. The only way to change it is for individuals to conduct their lives with conscience and personal integrity, and to show others through their actions and their behavior what is possible.

I think that's the sort of thing that will be required in order to make the other needed changes to our society as well. Think globally, act locally.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 06:53 PM

Carol I agree the U.S. will sink away from being an economic superpower ... and it appears they are doing it themselves by selling off all of their technological and manufacturing assets .. and of course it will have an impact on the war machine ... but this won't happen until at least a couple of years ... 2 years is too long for this war to continue. The slaughter still goes on.

Re Martin Luther King ... Carol, what he acheived was monumental. That cannot be argued ... sure, there is room for improvement, but his march is still going on.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 07:05 PM


It's not visible if it isn't covered by the media. It's really not.


Baloney! It is visible to the many, many people who drive by, walk past, participate. IF people continue, the media cannot ignore it. IF people continue, they and their friends, and all of the people who are right there and SEE IT with their own eyes will talk about it, perhaps even take part the next around.

Thank goodness a lot of people still believe in this and DO take part.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 07:16 PM

Please don't misunderstand me, number 6... I'm not in any way diminishing Dr. King's contributions to the world and to humanity. But I am suggesting that not all problems are nails and not all solutions are hammers.

katlaughing, I lived in the Washington DC area during all of the big Vietnam War era protests that took place there. Out in the suburbs where we lived, just a few miles away, we didnt't see any sign of those protests unless we attended them ourselves, or we saw them on the news.

I think the media can ignore it for as long as they want to, and they probably will. But I'm not saying people shouldn't march. Marching is a good thing to do. But I don't think it will accomplish much. There is so much more that we need to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:20 AM

In the 60's a large % of the colleges & college age kids had a better grasp on communications & how to use their own media outlets than the adults of today, except that the colleges are not playing the parts they did back then. There still is a college underground today but it's not very politcial one as far as I can see.
I haven't heard squat about protests untill it's to late for me to make a plan to attend. So who's making use of the internet, Move On.org & a few others? I do get info from them. Are there other orgs?
The 'sit-ins', 'love-ins' & the 'smoke-ins', never mind the protest marches got more advanced notice with far less hi tech than we do, or at least than I get today.
I don't believe it's gonna take singing in the streets or marching hand in hand that's what the government loves is a march that needs permits & timely notice & a route. What would a better form is a march that disrups major traffic flow through the major city's financial districts which would not be allowed a permit & there would be time to block it if it occoured & there would be no free protest zones that are useless. That gets coverage. Would the politcial powers that be respond with force? Maybe, which may create far more media coverage than they'd want, probably. Christ, a win & a roit at the world series generates world wide media coverage. A protest in this day & age in major cities with that type of disruption would still make the media turn on, roll over & cover no matter what the powers that be try. The politcians would then turn their heads & listen up. Not until the public screams will they worry about their jobs & their votes & their back pockets. But I don't think the public will give more than a whisper never mind a yell or a scream & the government is counting on just that & will do all in it's power to keep it like that.
Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 09:20 AM

Who said the U.S.press pays no attention to anti Iraq war marches. CNN I can understand but Fox news?

Fox

CNN

Apathy gets you no where, if you want change you have to get off your asses, quit whining and make a difference.... or at least try.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 01:08 PM

Thanks to every one of those protestors.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Wide Peace Protest
From: number 6
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 03:42 PM

It's the beginning of the end of that mess over in Irag ... if you want it to be ... and it's people like those that where out there yesterday being seen, letting it be known that the war can't go on .... yes dianavan, they deserve a Big Thanks.

sIx


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