BS: Non posting of judgements week.

Subject: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:59 PM

When you publicly posts things like - 'I think that sucks' or 'I think that is wonderful' - does this really add much to a discussion?

As the posting only of personal judgements (good or not so good) of what our fellow posters choose to contribute does not appear to serve any useful purpose and can be counter-productive - perhaps it would be good idea for us to try and resist only posting such things?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: number 6
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:00 PM

Right on Shambles !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:20 PM

How about "That would be a great idea if only it didn't suck so much."?

It doesn't further the discussion, but it gives everyone an opportunity to go "Huh?".

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:21 PM

OK, Shambles. One week.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: number 6
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:22 PM

Good point!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: John O'L
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 04:19 AM

In a conversation between an unknown number of people who are coming and going constantly (or not), I think something like 'I think that sucks' or 'I agree with that' may be valid comments.

I don't usually make such posts however, and am therefore happy to refrain from doing so for a week. What happens then? Do we assess what we have gained against what we have lost and set guidelines for the following week?

Man, that really s... Oh, that's right.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 05:42 AM

I think it's a crap idea.

Well, you knew there had to be one. Might as well be me!

I think it's a great idea realy. Oh hang on... Perhaps I had better not be so judgemental. Arrggghhh. There I go again, judging myself. Maybe I shouldn't be judgemental at all? Tell me, what do you think? Or is that asking you to judge?

Disappears in a puff of flawed logic...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 06:13 AM

Making a value judgement entails evaluation.
Choosing not to make a value judgement entails wilful failure to evaluate.
IMO failure to evaluate creates more problems than it resolves.
But, then again, who am I to judge?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 06:43 AM

But won't it have to start next week, since this thread inherently includes a judgement of the posting of judgemental remarks?

(Just being fascetious, of course, and only suggesting that a judgement may be required: not actually intending to make one.)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 06:56 AM

Also no criticizing of spelling mistakes. We don't want to engage in judgment (though I understand that now "judgment" and "judgement" are both OK.) Of course that is a totally objective statement and does not mean to imply any personal opinion. Is the week over yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:05 AM

Ron,you ask if the week is over yet,which is a perfectly reasonable question.
However answering it requires a judgement so I'm afraid nobody can help you with that one.
Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:09 AM

I'm sorry I made a shambles, so to speak, of my last post.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:11 AM

As no one can determine when the week ends it will continue for all eternity.
In my judgement.
Now I'm doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:12 AM

Is Mr. Bush going into Iran looking for a dog? (seems a safe enough question for the week--and it's how the thread titles run now).

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:19 AM

Another important question from the threads--Who designs HP sauce?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:22 AM

I've read that thread.Apparently it was Michael Caine.
Not a lot of people know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: kendall
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:23 AM

Spelling mistakes suck.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:25 AM

Gee, since that answers the question, this could be a short thread. But you didn't mean to imply that it was your judgment that Michael Caine had designed HP sauce, I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:27 AM

IMHO the majority of conversation comes down to personal opinion and judgement, unless one sticks to the banal.

Sometimes a few words of encouragement for an idea or pronouncement is all that is needed. Sometimes, maybe, a post only merits a short ctiticism, hopefully of the subject matter, not the poster.

I shall continue to be 'judgemental' where I deem it appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:28 AM

Good thing I have to go to work now-otherwise I might be sorely tempted to make a judgment on the sense of this thread. Wow, that was close.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:30 AM

Not in the least. The information is culled from the HP thread.
I opened it & read right through it.
Which is unfortunate because I was only supposed to blow the bloody door off.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:32 AM

Because we know that the originator of the thread only wanted to eliminate all hard feelings on Mudcat (while, of course, preserving the wit, spirit, and general rambunctiousness of Mudcat). Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:45 AM

Your first post here, Shablesis full of implicit judgement of others. I still wait for the time you follow just once and just one of your endless stream of advices to others.

Could you not make the point by setting an example by your actions (something which you are always quick to remind others)? You could have made that easily by not starting this thread for instance.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 08:01 AM

I can't hold out any longer.....

You will be taken from this court to the prison whence you came, and thence to a lawful place of execution, where you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead; and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul!

(is that a complete sentence?)

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 08:30 AM

Not using our judgement in our posting is not what is being suggested.

However, we all can prevent a lot of nastiness on our forum by not simply posting only what is just a personal judgement of another poster or the worth of their contribution or indulge in public conversations about them.

For why or what anyone else may choose to post is out of our control and any form of personal judgement posted on this subject will only result in many responses in kind. None of them adding much to any discussion.

This is (still as yet) a discussion forum that is open to the public. What is important in any form of discussion is enabling and encouraging people to feel they are free and safe to make their contribution.

Who may be saying it - matters little and any public speculation on what another poster's motives may be, or passing public judgement on their spelling or grammar etc - is pointless and adds nothing to the discussion exempt the possibility of inhibiting and limiting it.

Our forum was not always conducted in the form we see now. Sadly a different example has been set, where passing judgement on one's fellow posters would appear to be the only game in town.

It is not too late for a return to the lack of judgement, division and spirit of tolerance that our forum was founded on.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 08:32 AM

"Is that a complete sentence?"
No,Paul it's a suspended sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:05 AM

For someone who thinks his every word is sacrosanct to suggest that the words of others are of a lesser value, and should be limited to suit him is a bit along the lines of 'Don't do as I do, do as I say'
Sorry Roger but if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen mate.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:05 AM

LOL PF

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 08:30 AM

... Our forum was not always conducted in the form we see now. Sadly a different example has been set, where passing judgement on one's fellow posters would appear to be the only game in town.

It is not too late for a return to the lack of judgement, division and spirit of tolerance that our forum was founded on....


Subject: RE: BS: Copy Cat threads....??
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:28 PM

... will you accept that what other posters choose to read, post or ignore remains no one else's business but theirs?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:16 AM

one week, huh? Gee, now I have to figure out where to save 'em up till the week is over.....and whether to do a core dump on day 8, or parcel 'em out slowly for a few weeks.

This could be a problem for me...ooops!

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:17 AM

Thank you Susan..........

Confucius said, "The gentleman calls attention to the good points in others; he does not call attention to their defects.
The small man does just the reverse of this."

Confucianism. Analects 12.16

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:24 AM

Oh fudge!

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:25 AM

Would whoever bought him that book of quotations and aphorisms for Christmas please own up?
Giok.☺

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:28 AM

Just interpret it all subjectively as you go through the available evidence. Sift it into what you consider reasonable and what you don't. The conclusions you will come to will support your established view of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:28 AM

Thumper's mommy says "If you can't say anything nice about someone, say nothing at all."

therefore:∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:30 AM

Judge not, that you be not judged.
For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.

Matthew 7.1-5

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:34 AM

and anyway, people who get an ego boost out of criticising
the grammar and spelling of 'lesser' mortals
well, they are just a bunch of petty minded pedantic cnuts !

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:38 AM

Do not judge thy comrade until thou hast stood in his place.

Mishnah, Abot 2.5

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:39 AM

Righty ho.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: MMario
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:42 AM

Why does "Practice what you preach" come to mind?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:52 AM

Happy is the person who finds fault with himself instead of finding fault with others.

Hadith

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:08 AM

"It is not too late for a return to the lack of judgement, division and spirit of tolerance that our forum was founded on."

Are we supposed to refrain from judging this sentence? I wouldn't even know how to begin.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:12 AM

"You will be taken from this court to the prison whence you came, and thence to a lawful place of execution, where you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead; and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul!

(is that a complete sentence?)"

It's four of 'em. But as they say, no noose is good noose.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:18 AM

Nah. I still think the originator of this thread is a devious little man who gets jollies out of creating circular arguments and playing the martyr. I believe that I will hijack this thread and start cutting and pasting his own contradictory posts. .........Nah, too much work. I will just give my judgement that he and most of his posts have very little worth to anyone but him.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:34 AM

Tough thing though when the guy has a neat idea and he gets shot down for it before the fuckin' horse is out the gate.

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:36 AM

I always thought that a sentance started with a captital and ended with a full stop. Or is it capital punishment that ends with a full stop? Or seeing as that can only be decided by a judge is that too judgemental?

I give up!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 10:51 AM

The vile are ever prone to detect the faults of others, though they be as small as mustard seeds, and persistently shut their eyes against their own, though they be as large as Vilva fruit.

Garuda Purana 112

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:12 AM

OK. I guess that I just don't understand. Is the request being made that no one give just their opinion without first explaining their reasoning? Is "I don't agree", or "I agree." no longer acceptable? Isn't "I agree" a judgement?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:22 AM

it's purty murky waters, Ebbie. Philosophers call it getting into meta-debate. (trying to define the conditions under which the definitions can BE defined)

"I can't decide whether to have octopus soufflé for lunch." Is not deciding a decision?

Subject: RE: BS: Non posting of judgements week.
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:26 AM

Yes Bill & not choosing is a choice.
Which is bad news for people who can't be bothered to vote.