Obit: MUDCAT

Subject: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 07:45 PM

Tonight I got myself a litle fed up about the trolling posts of one of our 'guests'.
I tried to swamp his vitriolic posts with my protest.
as a result I was barred from mudcat by some wanker of a moderator and all of my posts were deleted. The trolls posts remain. I received no explination

Is this what you want from mudcat?

Its not what I want. In future if I need to use mudcat I will post as a guest and not bother a gnats chuf about what I say and who I say it to.

Soooo long its been good to know ya...........

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: cool hand Tom
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 07:57 PM

well u have said some stupid things.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: kendall
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 08:24 PM

Adios, but remember, personal attacks are not allowed by guests either.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 08:50 PM

ShieldsFolk, you posted 50 messages in an hour and you're complaining because you were blocked? I've unblocked it, but please don't try it again.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: JennyO
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:43 PM

Ever hear the phrase - "Two wrongs don't make a right" ? Anyway, which thread was it? I like to see things and judge for myself. Obviously extreme cases of trolling should be dealt with too, but flooding the forum, no matter what the reason, is bound to get you in trouble. Hopefully you might have calmed down a bit by now.

By the way, I think the title of this thread is mischievous too - designed to alarm us and make us look. I don't like feeling I'm being manipulated.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 10:51 PM

"Shields Folk"? Good riddance... Don't go away mad... just go away.

"I've unblocked it"
Are you an idiot?!?!?!?! Why would you EVER unblock a spammer?!?!?!?!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: M.Ted
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:17 PM

Presumably, it was a response to rarelamb, who seems to have started a bunch of threads calculated to annoy and obstruct. If this is so, I don't endorse the action, but I do understand the motivations--However, it is surprisingly easy to ignore something, if you set your mind to it, and it can be a wonderful way of avoiding trouble--

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:34 PM

So block "rarelamb" from posting too....

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John O'L
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:45 PM

I don't give a hoot in hell if rarelamb or Shield Folk are blocked or not.

Neither do I care if The Shambles is outraged or placated, today or any day.

I don't mind who posts what where or who gets deleted for whatever reason or for no reason at all.

I don't understand the obsession so many 'Catters have for this sort of thing. As M.Ted says, it's amazingly easy to ignore things. There are so many here who should try it sometime and find out not only how easy it really is, but how empowering it is as well.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:52 PM

zzzz oh, er what did you say John?

;-)

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:06 AM

I don't give a hoot in hell if rarelamb or Shield Folk are blocked or not.

Neither do I care if The Shambles is outraged or placated, today or any day.

I don't mind who posts what where or who gets deleted for whatever reason or for no reason at all.

I don't understand the obsession so many 'Catters have for this sort of thing. As M.Ted says, it's amazingly easy to ignore things. There are so many here who should try it sometime and find out not only how easy it really is, but how empowering it is as well.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: alanabit
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:21 AM

It gets tiresome reading obituaries, when the subject is walking around in good health. I get annoyed by some of the rudeness I see from time to time. There just does not seem to be any point in exacerbating the situation by getting into a cat fight over it.
Most of the really disgusting posts here are eventually seen and removed by Joe Offer. So if something really upsets you, why be tempted to jump into a sewer to fight with a rat?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: nutty
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:33 AM

Shieldsfolk ...... If you have been barred how have you been able to start this thread????

The advice given on Mudcat is to ignore Trolls.
If you don't want to do that then you have to accept the consequences.

Just grow up or go away.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:57 AM

As long as people respond to trolls and flamers , trolls and flamers will continue to troll and flame . The LAST thing they want is to be ignored , so that is the only way to treat them !

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 07:01 AM

Sorry John, was just practising what you were preaching... :-)

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST,rarelamb
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 07:06 AM

What makes me a troll? Because I put up articles that seem contrary to widely held beliefs on this site (if the S Dakota abortion thread is any indication)?

Why am I so dangerous to all of you people who claim that I am a troll or spit venom at each of my posts?

For the record I had several posts removed and the majority of them were to tell certain individuals to stop spamming. I thought it was deeply amusing though :)

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM

here here!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:05 AM

Rarelamb, I encourage you to keep posting what you do. I have also posted articles from time to time that do infuriate some Mudcatters. They read them anyway and usually they are some of this place's more interesting threads.

There is a certain far-left element here who suffers from an unhealthy mental disorder. Trouble for most is that they just don't get it. It's not about hate, bigotry, racism, or anything else. It's usually about a denial of ordinary common sense for this lot.

Without controversy or challenges to this mindset, it's really just a bunch of old hippies frolicking in a field of butterflies oblivious to much in the real world.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:10 AM

what they need is another war

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:13 AM

What they need is to squeeze that big pus pimple on their forehead that hampers their reasoning.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: kendall
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:16 AM

Rave on

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:23 AM

RL:

No -- you are a troll for other reasons, not the degree of disagreement. You are a troll because you aren't here for the dialogue, but like Martin, you are here to dramatize your resentments and hope to stir up reactions without communication. This is the sorry mental state that Martin projects on others, and which you share. It has nothing to do with the content, but the degree of rationality shown.

A

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:25 AM

Those Who Are Not For Us Are Against Us

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:32 AM

"The advice given on Mudcat is to ignore Trolls."

Only because, apparently, Mudcat is incapable of dealing with them in any other manner

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 11:36 AM

RL why don't you go and join MG on the Free Republic site?
Giok

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 02:59 PM

your supposed to ignore trolls dumb ass

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:08 PM

The word "your" is a possessive, not a verb, you mega-dumbass!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:10 PM

so you hate americans as well as the illiterate

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:13 PM

The quality of your discourse is equal only to your ability to properly employ the tools of discourse.


Or in a more succinct manner, "Weak posts from weak minds"

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:14 PM

i bet your ugly

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:17 PM

should that not read "Weak posts from a weak mind?"

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:24 PM

JESUS I've just seen your photograph, you are ugly!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:40 PM

LOL! If you think Clinton's face is ugly...well...you should spend some time focusing on his general attitude. THAT's what I call "ugly"! But this time he's right.

Which character are you trying to sound like? "Dumb" or "Dumber"? Beavis or Butthead? Which?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:42 PM

I don't want to leave any of them out

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:43 PM

oo fuck my feeble attempts at trolling have been found out.

he is ugly though but

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:47 PM

Your moms all think I'm hot!

:-P

LOL

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:49 PM

whats with the dressing up?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST,Denny Crane
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:05 PM

The word "your" is a possessive, not a verb, you mega-dumbass!

Calling someone a "mega-dumbass" makes you a troll. -Denny Crane

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:24 PM

Fine. So I'm a troll. Sue me. ;-P

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:27 PM

But at least LH is a troll who can spell.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:30 PM

Not refreshing...

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:31 PM

first time in five years i've posted as an anonomous guest.
first time in five years i've set out to wind people up.
i felt frustrated at the ease at which people could post with the express intent of pissing people off. as that ugly bloke hammond organ puts it, "Mudcat is incapable of dealing with them(trolls)".

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:33 PM

I have no idea who my mom thinks is hot, Clinton. And I don't care either.

But wait...come to think of it, she thinks that tall, dark, handsome (brunette) men are hot. She thought the guy who played the abusive husband-to-be in "Titanic" was hot. Remember him? You don't look a bit like him.

She doesn't like blonde men or redheads. She doesn't like facial hair on men. I believe that leaves you out, Clinton.

Even if you were dressed in nothing but a chainmail codpiece, she still wouldn't think you were hot. ;-D

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:36 PM

She couldn't stand Leo DiCaprio in Titanic, by the way. Too boyish. Not tall and dark enough. I think she would have liked Dirk Bogarde just fine. You don't resemble him either.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:37 PM

i told you he's an ugly fucker

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:38 PM

No question about it. So tell me, why have you given up using punctuation and capital letters? Too much work?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Shields Folk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:39 PM

i was waiting for mr organ to pull me up about it

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:04 PM

"hammond organ"
Hey... there's a joke I've NEVER heard in my whole entire life... no... really... how ever did you get to be Ooooh Sooooo original....

" facial hair on men"
Haven't had facial hair since I got back into theatre... My roles so far have called for me to be clean shaven....

" She doesn't like blonde men or redheads."
In the dark, your mom loves all men (Or at least she tries to)
:-P
Heh

"Remember him?"
Never saw it... not planning on it either...

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:11 PM

(Chuckle)

Okay. How do I make this clear? Clinton, there is nothing you can say about my mother that is likely to upset me any more. When I was a youngster, yeah, but not any more. There are probably one or two females you could insult and it might upset me, but you don't know who they are. Tooooooo bad!

If you missed "Titanic", you needn't fret over it, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:22 PM

There are probably one or two females you could insult and it might upset me, but you don't know who they are.


Nichelle Nichols?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:35 PM

LOL! No, no, you can't draw me out in that fashion. No siree.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM

"that is likely to upset me any more"
Who is here to upset you? LOL

"Yo mamma" jokes are just fun....

Yo mamma's so fat, when she irons her clothes, she has to do it in the driveway!

:-P
Hehehehehe

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:06 PM

Okay, then. ;-P

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:51 PM

Only stick it out if yer planning on using it....

(I hear you use it very well... at least that's what it says on the Mens Room walls....)

heh

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 07:02 PM

Clinton you must have been in the dunny I just took a dump in. I wrote that 'cause I was bored, not 'cause it was true.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 07:17 PM

Of course. I'm the best, Clinton. I'll give you tips for cash.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 09:12 PM

I dunno. It seems that there are some here who label others "troll," simply because the others post conservative ideas. If it's ideas people are posting, we generally feel compelled to leave them untouched even if the community disagrees with those ideas - as long as the ideas are from the person who posts, expressed in his or her own words. If the ideas are copy-pasted from another source, that's another matter. And when the ideas repeat word-for-word what has been posted over and over again, they become free game for deletion.

If you want to say something at Mudcat, say it - in your own words. If the only thing you have to say is [CTRL-C] or just submitting a blank message, don't be surprised if your post is dealt with by [CTRL-X].

But remember that free posting of ideas is allowed and encouraged - as always, personal attacks are verboten (even if we don't find and delete every single one of them).

I gather that we have a new trend, that there are a few people who advocate combatting "trolls" by posting blank messages, or meaningless strings of numbers, or messages that cover an entire screen with empty space, or by posting four or five one-line messages in a row. I'm sorry, but none of those tactics do anything but call attention to the trolls - and they tend to be an abuse of Mudcat and a waste of time for the rest of us. They may be ostensibly innocuous - but they're just garbage that serves to call attention to the very troll posts that are considered so distasteful. So, yeah, if you want to flood Mudcat, expect to get deleted or temporarily blocked. The rest of us don't have to put up with that. Common sense should tell you that - we shouldn't have to specifically state it in a rule.

We do our best to protect the free expression of ideas here at Mudcat - but does that oblige us to protect gratuitious obnoxiousness and repetition? I don't think so.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:25 AM

Joe, you have nailed it in a way. The word troll as it isused here is laughable. "you must be a troll because you don't agree with my far fetched radical left wing ideas." That's the mindset of quite a few here. These troll watchers or troll identifiers contstantly discredit themselves. What's hilarious to me, is how much they just don't realize it.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: number 6
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:36 AM

My condolences go out to the Mudcat ... may it find eternal peace.

sIx

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 02:13 AM

If you post a thread asking a quesion you don't want an answer to, you just want to irritate others, thats trolling

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 04:00 AM

We do our best to protect the free expression of ideas here at Mudcat - but does that oblige us to protect gratuitious obnoxiousness and repetition? I don't think so.
-Joe Offer-

Perhaps you should ask us? For is what you may think any more valid than any other poster's judgement?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 04:48 AM

Perhaps the following thread should really be called Obit Mudcat?

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=88940&messages=275

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 05:44 AM

Give up Roger!
Nobody forced you to join, and nobody's forcing you to stay. You're obviously not happy with the site or the moderators thereof, so why don't you just haul your arse off to pastures new.
As you may have guessed, if it were up to me you'd be persona non grata on this site, history, toast, and to paraphrase a certain well known sketch, an ex poster.
Giok

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 06:39 AM

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done.
Joe Offer

On the same basis - it could be suggested that the thing that needs to be done is that the poster making this admission should also leave?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 07:36 AM

Has Joe Offer upset you Roger?
G.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 01:59 AM

It seems to be easy to wind people up on the 'Cat'. But who wants to and why?. If you know someone is winding you up...go to another thread, preferably the music ones which are mostly non-contentious and for most of us where the usefuil information is. Look to your own motives for what you post and forget personal attacks as they are fruitless in the long run. Most of the people who have posted on this ....in essence...contentious thread are respectful and considerate...lets just keep it that way...please. If you come to this thread you are asking to be wound up. This is my last visit here.
Best wishes, Mike

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 08:00 AM

I've lost me keys...

I'll be good!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 01:02 PM

"I'll give you tips for cash"

I'm told that for cash, you take a LOT more than the tip...


Heh

And oh ya... what Giok said!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 07:43 PM

oooooooo, you're so NAUGHTY Clinton!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 07:56 PM

Thank you

:-)

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:06 PM

Ha! Ha! Ha! I love it. You are as dependable as a Newfoundland whore, Clinton. I love feeding you those lines and waiting for the classic response.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:20 PM

The "straight man" lines, I mean...

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 09:54 AM

Like you know anything about being straight

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Raptor
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:40 AM

Hey As A Newfoundland Whore I take exception to that Little Hawk!

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:45 AM

Lots of people take exception to LH....

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 09:03 PM

Giok, Shambles really gets to you, doesn't he? quite entertaining, really.

I actually don't think Joe Offer upsets Shambles as much as you get upset by Shambles, Giok.

That's the beauty of it all.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 09:38 PM

I'm always straight, Clinton. I'm a complete non-druggie. You've got me mixed up with someone else, but I don't know who.

Maybe Shane McBride?

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:09 PM

Jeeezuz .... the old scow might not be dead yet ... but she appears to be going down fast.

sIx

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Bert
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:52 PM

Actually if a few folks can agree on a peace treaty, she might well come back to life.

Subject: RE: Obit: MUDCAT
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:04 AM

Amos, you're right. It has nothing to do with communication. One sided communication, that is. In other words, when it comes to your idea of a discussion, you can't rationalize with the irrational. I'm talking about you, pally.

don't stick a pin in your ego. I don't want to see it shooting around the room.