BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 02:51 PM

'I would vote for her under some possible circumstances- UNLIKE most of those here who, on the last election, stated "ANYBODY but Bush."'

I can just hear Connie Francis singing "Who's sorry now . . .".

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 01:44 PM

I can think of a few people I'd rather not see be President than George Bush. Hell, yeah.

He is not the WORST possibility out there. It would be quite a challenge to decide who was.... ;-P

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 01:43 PM

Agreed, BB. Hillary would definitely not be my pick, but should she be nominated (which I seriously doubt), whether I would vote for her or not depends on who's running against her. We're stiil a couple of years away from the presidential elections, so some interesting things may shake out between now and then.

By the way:

"On my next hunting trip, I'm going to invite Hillary Clinton."
                                                                  —Dick Cheney

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 01:15 PM

Don,

"never said I would vote for Hillary, BB. Don't try to put words in my mouth (ptui!!)."


I never said you did say that- I did quote your question, and thought that MY question was a reasonable response to it.


"But if she's the best of a really bad lot--well, what would you do? C'mon, now. Be honest! "


I usually vote for the lesser of the two evils in Presidential elections- so I would have to see who she was running against. There are a number of possible candidates I would consider to be worse.

Thus, "How can someone say they WOULD vote for Hillary if they don't know who she's running against? " -

I would vote for her under some possible circumstances- UNLIKE most of those here who, on the last election, stated "ANYBODY but Bush."

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 12:23 AM

LOL! That poor, poor Arab...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 12:18 AM

Just let McCain get the Republical nomination. Todays media darling will find himself thrown over the side of the boat so fast his head will swim.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 12:00 AM

Here's a good joke for ya, Peace.

A genie wanted to give an Arab who found her in a bottle 3 wishes. He said "I want 3 Infidel American women. Lorena Bobbitt, Tanya Harding, and Hillary Clinton." The next day the Arab was found, suffering terribly. When asked what happened, he responded, " I got my knees broke, my dick cut off, and now I have no health insurance."

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 11:55 PM

I think you got it, Martin.

McCain could easily win the 2008 election because he's never been seen to be a Bush supporter. And truthfully, I don't see any good Democrats on the horizon--not that there aren't any. Matter of profile and public perception.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 11:46 PM

Enter John McCain. The salvation of not having a total shrew in the White House who couldn't even manage her own husband, let alone the whole country.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 11:44 PM

I think Martin is right, but for different reasons.

The only candidate who will have a chance to defeat the Republicans will be one who

1) did not have an association with being in favour of the Iraq invasion

2) has an economic platform that will address both industry/business interests and the millions of people who live in poverty in the US

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 11:41 PM

Offended Bert? Good. thanks.

Hillary will not win. I can assure you many women won't vote for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 03:52 PM

Peace, I would love to see a slot on the ballot that says, "None of these candidates are acceptable."

Ever read a book entitled First Democracy : The Challenge of an Ancient Idea by Paul Woodruff? Most informative little book. Woodruff explains why the party system almost invariable ends up presenting slated of candidates that represent a very narrow range of positions, and often none that represent what the citizens in general really want. The ancient Greeks knew this and although there were factions, they didn't have official political parties as we do. They chose their public officials in a way that would made being a professional politician next to impossible. And they held their public officials responsible.

Greek democracy was far from perfect, but in some crucial ways, it worked a whole lot better that ours.

The book is a fascinating read.

Don Firth

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 03:07 PM

"None of the above"

Is that an option on American ballots?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 12:39 PM

I never said I would vote for Hillary, BB. Don't try to put words in my mouth (ptui!!).

But if she's the best of a really bad lot--well, what would you do? C'mon, now. Be honest!

(Careful! This is a trick question!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 12:17 PM

Good one, BB!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:45 AM

Chongo- He is the Mudcat Beast Poet...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:41 AM

Oh yeah. Okay.

What if she was running against Chongo Chimp? How would you vote?

I have to say I'd be torn.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:38 AM

LH,

I was replying to a comment by Don-

"Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth - PM
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM

How can someone say they wouldn't vote for Hillary if they don't know who she's running against? "...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:30 AM

Yeah....so...?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:28 AM

LH,

That would seem reasonable- So, why apply it here?

Those who would vote for her, would, those who would not, would not.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:14 AM

Just consider it a provisional statement based upon probabilities, BB.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 08:21 AM

Don

How can someone say they WOULD vote for Hillary if they don't know who she's running against?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Bert
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 02:10 AM

Ya need one of those for your mouth Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 11:54 PM

- rugburn!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 11:15 PM

Oh, my. That was pretty insensitive, Martin. I'm surprised at you....

"Awwww, the hell I am!" ;-P (to paraphrase John Wayne, just before he punched the guy...)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 11:13 PM

Hillary buys her tampons in the extra wide and absorbant variety for a good reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:58 PM

Hey! You accusin' Hillary of impotence??? Hey! I'm talkin' to you!

You got a lotta nerve, buddy. You wanta meet my leetle friend here?

(spoken in De Niro voice, of course...)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: GUEST,not me but hey you
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:49 PM

By the time Hillary gets to the highest office in the U.S.it will be but a worn out 2nd world nation on the downward slide. Surpassed by the countries they helped rise to power by their own faulty surmise. She will be but an impotent figure in the world theatre.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:26 PM

You people will insist on taking this all seriously, will you? ;-P

I would never make that mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Alba
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 09:30 PM

Did you forget to put Tree Hugger in there Rapaire?

:)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 09:20 PM

"Health and prosperity of the..."!! What are you, some kind of Commie hippie pinko liberal comsymp feminist terrorist freak?????

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:36 PM

Dear Little Hawk

Teflon non stick frying pans can cause cancer.
Sliced bread never impressed me.
Unwaxed apples grow that way on the tree.

...

How about: The best candidate for the health and prosperity for the people of the United States and the world?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: bobad
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:33 PM

And I'm sure you all know about his connection, via his ex-wife Shirley Douglas to the father of medicare in Canada, Tommy Douglas. Shirley by the way continues to be a champion of her father's legacy and is very active in defending universal medicare whenever the drums of privatization start beating.

On a personal note, I used to regularly see Mr. Sutherland at Montreal Expo games where he had season tickets, and can report that he is a very personable and unassuming man for being a Hollywood movie star, he would inevitably be chatting to whoever approached him in the lobby in between innings and after the games and always appeared to be enjoying himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:21 PM

While LH has had you all focused on William Shatner, Donnie Boy has been getting closer and closer to the Oval Office.

BTW, his role in Backdraft (bloody awful movie in terms of firefighting) was really great. That man can command a stage. And he still managed to do it with DeNiro on the set.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:13 PM

Just so's ya know, the War of 1812-14 which ended in 1815 just ain't over yet . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:12 PM

SpongeBob SquarePants couldn't do any worse!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:09 PM

Donald Sutheraland has long been one of my favorite actors. As Templeton on the show, he can be downright chilling (especially when he's being nice), but as Sutherland himself as president, Canadian and all, were it allowed by the Constitution. . . .

Could do a helluva lot worse. We are doing a helluva lot worse!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: LilyFestre
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:06 PM

Martin,

   Get off your ass, turn the damn television off and pick up your disease infested, crusty socks!   *G*

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:54 PM

Speaker of the House Nathan Templeton (Donald Sutherland)

I think the S of the H is third in line for the Presidency in the event the other two kick the bucket. I think Sutherland may still be a Canadian. I think Americans should be worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:49 PM

Re:    Geena Davis.

Although what has already been displayed (ahem!) could almost be reason enough, perhaps there are those here who missed a television series that premiered in September of 2005, entitled "Commander-in-Chief," about the first woman president of the United States. Interesting premise:   

Presidential candidate Bridges (presumably a Republican, although it's never actually stated) chooses MacKenzie Allen (Geena Davis), an independent, as his running mate over Nathan Templeton (Donald Sutherland) because of her academic expertise in foreign affairs. Shortly after being elected, President Bridges has to undergo brain surgery to remove a tumor, and dies, leaving his V. P., Mackenzie Allen, as his successor. Templeton, who is Speaker of the House, and the rest of the party, rather arrogantly assume that she will resign. After all, she's a) an independent, not actually a member of the elected party, and b) she's a woman (!). Mac thinks the matter over, then says "No." After all, the American people elected Bridges and her, and the Constitution is specific about the line of succession. Templeton is ticked off, and hell-bent on sabotaging her as president. In succeeding episodes, she handles a series of crises, domestic, foreign, and within the White House itself, firmly and brilliantly, often with Templeton trying to subtly yank the rug out from under her (Sutherland's Templeton is a marvelously snaky villain!).

Speaking of yanking, with 16,000,000 viewers watching the show, ABC pulled it from its Tuesday night prime time (8:00 p.m.) schedule just as it won a Golden Globe award—and replaced the hour-long show with two moronic half-hour sit-coms. What, pray tell, goes on in the brains of network executives (if, indeed, they have brains!??). Anyway, as of now (popular demand, apparently), it's scheduled to be re-inserted in the schedule as of April 18th.

I thought it was an excellent series and looked forward to future episodes, as I now do when it resumes. Even though Geena Davis's décolleté (as posted above) is very fetching (it would certainly fetch me!), one should be aware that Ms. Davis has an I. Q. of 140 and is a member of Mensa, and in 1999, she was a contender for a place on the Olympic archery team. She is 6 feet tall. In the power suits she wears as the Commander-in Chief, she is an imposing figure indeed.

Geena Davis is the most Presidential person I have seen on television within recent years.

Observe.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:49 PM

You suppose Monica will contribute to the campaign?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:42 PM

Yo, LH, how do you square with Hillary's backing Bush's Iraq policy???

Jus' curious...

And fir the record, Hillary ain't electable at the presidental level... Boss Hog will match here warchest $10 to $1 and folks who spend the most....win...

B;)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:08 PM

Geena Davis is impressive, no doubt. I'd vote for her too, but I'm not sure I'd wish that job on her.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:02 PM

You people are disGUSTing . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:56 PM

She (Geena) reminds me; I haven't eaten lunch yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM

I can see two good reasons. Plus she's good with a bow and arrow - she was an Olympic contender.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:11 PM

Like, she doesn't even know how to dress like a President. No tie!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:05 PM

But WHY?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM

How can someone say they wouldn't vote for Hillary if they don't know who she's running against? Think it over (Condi, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Tom DeLay. . . .). I mean, think about it!

I would seriously consider Geena Davis in 2008.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton - the best thing since..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:50 PM

I see that this is in danger of becoming a serious discussion about Hillary....