Folklore: St Georges day

Subject: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 03:24 AM

Stemming from some comments on the Bob Davenport thread I have started this thread to celebrate St Georges day. Only 23 days to go so so lets get the ideas rolling.

I start a bit early by trying to beat up St George at Lancaster on Good Friday. He wounds me but by the time his day comes around I have forgiven him:-) I don't often do anything on the day itself but starting this year I am going to make sure I do something typicaly English (Maybe go out for a curry?) Seriously - His flag is going to hung out of the bedroom window and I will make sure I wear a rose (red of course - I am Lancastrian after all) A couple of pints of Joseph Holts finest would not go astray either:-)

OK - Anyone else up for it?

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Bird Flu
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 03:35 AM

st george's day?

A minority of people with the delusion that england has a culture!

Just the same as they think that england has a music tradition!

The biggest practicing religion in england is islam. The culture is football and curry and the music tradition is disco/garage/pop shit!

So what relevance are the fictional exploits of some turkish saint?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: alanabit
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 03:43 AM

It is all part of our longstanding tradition of importing foreigners to do all that culture stuff for us- Georg Friedrich Händel, Josef Conrad, George Papavgeris... You get the idea?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Barden of England
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 03:50 AM

I will most certainly be celebrating on George's day. English and proud of it. I don't need loads of cheap Guiness to make me enjoy it either. On the other hand I might partake of the odd Bombardier!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 04:00 AM

What's wrong with celebrating our national Saint, the Irish celebrate St Patrick day with much vigour, nearly every car in Scotland carries the national flag of St Andrew and the Welsh burn second homes, it's about time we made something of St Georges Day

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 04:02 AM

Whether I agree with you or not, Bird Flu, why should that stop anyone celebrating St Georges day? There are a lot of people I don't like as well but I wouldn't dream of stopping them enjoying themselves:-)

How about celebrating Shakespeares birthday instead?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 04:21 AM

If England doesn't have a culture, who the hell does?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Admiral
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 04:32 AM

It strikes me that there's a touch of envy about Bird Flu's statement, I wonder which culture he come's from?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Barden of England
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 04:44 AM

It'll be either Agriculture or Viticulture I suspect.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 04:51 AM

The Barden of England:
On the other hand I might partake of the odd Bombardier
That wouldn't be one of the thespians from the Deolali Concert Party would it?

Or perhaps you're referring to a pint of Wells Bombardier?

That's an interesting name for a beer from the Wells brewery, as a little nugget of info is that "Bombardier Billy Wells" (Lonsdale belt winning boxer) was the man seen striking the gong at the start of the 'Rank' films

CHEERS
Nigel

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Transporter
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 05:06 AM

Bird flu
Did you get up out of bed the wrong side to-day old son?
Blues skies

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 05:55 AM

The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #90078   Message #1707341
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31-Mar-06 - 04:21 AM
Thread Name: Review: Bob Davenport's letter to Melody Maker
Subject: RE: Review: Bob Davenport's letter to Melody Maker

When last in Bishop's Stortford I bought a St Georges flag at the Turist Office. Then bought another one later as I lost the first somewhere on the street.(wrapped in a Sainsbury's bag- well it was raining!) What does that make me? Now you don't have to answer that. I'm gonna stick it up on the 23rd. So there!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Colonic lavage
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 06:08 AM

What are you going to stick it up Fidjit?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Barden of England
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 06:20 AM

Nigel Parsons
That wouldn't be one of the thespians from the Deolali Concert Party would it?

Or perhaps you're referring to a pint of Wells Bombardier?

No doubt about it - The Wells Bombardier with the Cross of St George emblazoned on the front. Might also do the same with a pint of Dragonslayer too mind you.

"For Harry and England!!"

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 06:23 AM

I would be very hard to disprove that Humanism is the most practiced religion in england.
I'm not saying that everyone who practices it realises that they are doing so!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 06:40 AM

I always celebrate on the 23rd of April as it's my Birthday.
I See nothing wrong with the people of a nation celebrating that nation's existence.
(Though if I were to wrap myself in the flag it would be the Northumbrian one)
St George is patron Saint of England because he intervened on the Norman side in a couple of battles during the Crusades.
This must be true because the then Pope says it happened.
Humanism is neither a religion nor particularly practiced in England.
If you'd like to celebrate anything else that day,it's the Birthday of Roy Orbison & ,er, Shirley Temple as well as Shakespeare.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Snuffy
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 07:50 AM

I'm starting earlier than you, DtG. All this weekend I shall be smiting sundry Turks and Spaniards, soldiers, knights and kings with the Shakespeare Mummers at Crediton Folk Festival.

And on the evening of the 23rd a goodly host of folk will asemble at Lower Brailes (in the Deep South of Warwickshire) to celebrate our patron saint with:

• evensong at the parish church of St George
  
• morris dancing outside the George Hotel
  
• a St George & Dragons mummers play inside the George Hotel
  
• other assorted morris, mumming, music, merriment and mayhem inside the George Hotel

But I'll probably have to be the Doctor in that play. Killing's much more fun than curing. :-)

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 08:37 AM

Will you be celebrating England:
1. as it is now,
2. as it has always been,
3. as it might have been at some date or other,
4. as it might have been in some fiction

But then again I don't suppose most of you care about such irrelevant ramblings

Wassail?
Wasswine?
Wassmalt?
Wassever!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 08:55 AM

We will be celebrating the fact that we are English in the same way as the other parts of the UK celebrate on their own saint's day. There's a lot about my country that I love and am proud of even if I do not particularly like the way some of its denizens have behaved in the past or at present. It is a country of beauty - even driving up the A1 you can see some very pretty landscapes if you bother to look and the West Country and the Lakes are known the world over. We have a cultural heritage that takes in Chaucer, Shakespeare, Hardy, Turner (who was also born on 23 April), Britten, the Beatles......

I'm looking for a flag of St George over here in Maine - if I can't find one I may have to make one.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 08:59 AM

We have a growing cultural heritage that will be richer and more diverse because people of other cultures are coming here and staying.

Europeans took some great music to the US, could people be bringing great music to the UK now but some of us.....................

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM

I shall celebrate St George's Day, and be proud of England. I shall start the previous evening, in my folk session in the pub next door to me.

I may regret some things my country has done - but I shall still be proud of my country, and of the many good things it has done.

England - the country of Chaucer and Shakespeare, and thus the greatest literary tradition in the world - the country of the Magna Carta and thus the birthplace of consitutional democracy and subsequently the oldest parliament in the world - the country of Newton and thus the birthplace of the modern science of physics - the country of Tim Berners-Lee and thus the birthplace of the greatest modern communication tool, the internet - the country, more than any other, without which in the Second World War there would have been and still be be no modern free democracies.

Incidentally, the country from which originally the preponderance of the wellsprings of the folk music celebrated on this site came.

Probably the country with the most of which to be proud and the least of which to be ashamed of any in the world. Without England we would not be here having this discussion, whether on this site in this language or any other.

Bird Flu, you have problems.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 09:58 AM

Over here in the Colonies, Canada that is, we will be celebrating in Cambridge (that's not yours it's ours in Ontario) with abit of Morris Dancing (although My useless side has decided not to go {it's like this, the whole day of celebration was cancelled for a while and now there are too many of them doing other things}) I will be going anyhow and will dance with another side. We will then retire to the Golden Kiwi for some McAuslan's Oatmeal Stout or some Fullers London Porter. All this followed by an English session of music and singing.
Ah Heaven here's hoping Bird Flu becomes Bird Strike.
JohnB

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: concertina ceol
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 10:35 AM

Well I'll be celebrating St Georges Day with a spot of morris dancing and a song or 20. It's also a great day to celebrate the only instrument invented in England - yes you guessed it the Concertina (Sir Charles Wheatstone)! I can hear Nimrod in my head just thinking about it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 04:53 AM

Refresh

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 07:58 AM

No comment. Colonic lavage.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 08:45 AM

He is patron saint of sufferers from leprosy, plague and syphilis. He is particularly the patron saint of archers.

Considering how much other cultures are loved here in England it's reassuring to know that he is shared with Aragon, Catalonia, Georgia, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Germany, Greece, Moscow, Istanbul, Genoa and Venice.

If he tried to gain entry to England today I wonder how he would be viewed.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Joe Richman
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 11:25 AM

As a Greek Christian from Asia Minor, he'd probably be eligible for refugee status.

I'm a mutt American with some English ancestry. I'm extremely grateful for the English language, the Swahili of Europe. I particularly like my Mother's upriver Down-East accent. (She was born in The County.) I have an east of the LA river accent, myself, and have a hard time imitating her accent. My poor Dad had a slight New York Irish accent (due to high school teachers in Brooklyn who taught him English). My younger brother has acquired a Western Oregon (way south of Portland) accent from being educated there since 9th grade. My daughter is strictly Orange County (I guess you could call it a Mickey Mouse accent).   

Now about flying the flag on St. George's day: We don't own an English flag, but we do have a very nice New Brunswick flag. Will that do? Or must I fork over the $1.85?

Joe

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 12:18 PM

I had to check on New Brunswick Flag just to see if Joe Richman was referring to yet another flag with a red cross on a white background, but it is a little more ornamental than that

CHEERS

Nigel

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Joe Richman
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 12:49 PM

Right, Nigel. Ornamental is a good word for it. It's the only flag from anywhere in the British Commonwealth that we have in the house. I think it screams "I'm English!!!". (A lot of the settlers in New Brunswick were loyalists from New England.) Of course I could be confusing English with British. At the bottom of this web page in my browser is a little ad for a St George Cross flag. I don't know if it comes up in your browser.

Joe

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Abdul
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 01:55 PM

St george = neo nazis

I find that red cross on a white background deeply offensive.

This sort of thing only serves to alienate us muslims more and more. All christian symbols are offensive to us and should be banned.

Also that morris (moorish) dancing only takes the piss out of us.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 02:15 PM

P--s off abdul its our heritage and i am proud of been British.
Scooby

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 03:53 PM

"Takes the piss" is not a phrase a genuine Muslim would use.
Just so no one gets misled "Abdul" is about as Muslim as I am.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Slasher
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 04:27 PM

Despite its naive, offensive and ill-coceived brusqueness (shouldn't all religious symbols be banned in that case?) Abdul has a point.For too long the idiots have used our flag as an excuse to promote the bullshit that our grandfafathers fought against in WW11.
I will be out celebrating on the '23rd but I will be celebrating a progressive England that supports the right to indulge in criticism of our country's political pecadilloes.
I have a lot of time for celebrating the English tradition,morris dancing, mumming, folk songs etc but I would most certainly not want a return to inter-war Britain. I think we are a richer place for the assimilation of other cultures.It's not easy because bigotry comes in all hues but there are millions of people out there that, despite the western leaders' appaling forays into the middle east etc, would not live anywhere else.
I think it's high time we dropped the self loathing and took the flag back off the moronic tendencies and draped it round the shoulders of the working people,along with the artists and dreamers of this country.(But let's leave out the politicians because their motives cannot be trusted). We can learn lessons from mistakes and take pride in our achievements, and if every other country can rally once a year under a flag and saint, then so should we.

PS Abdul, I think you'll find that that morris dancing like other English customs does not take the piss, but re-enacts fertility rites which are at the heart of our agricultural past. A lot of our folklore and rituals contain elements that stem from a wish to thwart the devil in much the way you throw stones at him at the Haj.I find all religious subservience and associated symbols offensive but I strongly believe that people should be free to pursue it if they wish.

And, Scooby, if you're such an English son of Albion why name yourself after an American cartoon mutt? (And a dumb one at that?)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: dozy rozy
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 05:44 PM

Boys, get a grip.We all live in the same world.
Lets just get on with it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 05:46 PM

morris dancing like other English customs does not take the piss, but re-enacts fertility rites which are at the heart of our agricultural past

Fat lot you know about real Morris then Slasher. Never been north of Oxford? ;-) Bloody glad St George puts paid to you in a couple of weeks. I'll try to bribe the doc to not resurrect you:-)

Cheers

Hector the Gnome
(Who only get wounded)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,mad mullah
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 01:39 AM

I am a muslim and I certainly use the phrase "take the piss" I don't know how many of us purple foxx actually knows. I cerainly don't mind people celebrating st george, but I think morris dancing is silly. The red cross flag has however been hijacked by the right wing. A lot of new british are not aware of it's real meaning and find it a bit threatening. Still christianity is dying out so in 20 years or so it won't matter.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Shields Folk
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 03:07 AM

The past few years I have wished everyone at work a happy St Georges day on the 23rd. It tends to freak a few out (especially the scotch and irish among them).

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 03:44 AM

It's quite amazing that 2 seperate "Muslims" should repeatedly make exactly the same presentational error in 2 postings to the same thread.
No matter let's address your assertions:
"I Don't know how many of us Purple Foxx actually knows."
Considerably more than you by the look of things.
"...I find Morris dancing a bit silly."
Part of me is inclined to agree.Neither your opinion nor mine invalidate it.
"The red cross flag however has been hijacked by the right wing."
Actuallly they tend to focus their efforts on the Union flag.
No matter the same choices are open to us: A)Whinge. B)Reclaim it.
I tend to option B myself.
"A lot of new British...find it a bit threatening."
As the saying goes, those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
"...Christianity is dying out..."
Christianity faces the same threat as Islam.
Both are being co-opted by Fundamentalist fanatics.
You can hang around this site playing "let's pretend" or you can address that fact.
Your life is determined by the choices you make.
Your move.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,slasher
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 08:29 AM

Actually Dave, I've never been south of Brum (well, not often)but I've always picked up on the fertility side of our customs,(Bean Setting anyone?) though I do concede I am not an academic or anything.
Take the George play -We are divided on Its' true original purpose in our version but the birth, death and resurrection themes are universal and I'm sure it's no coincidence that it parallels with the changing seasons and the agricultural cycle.
But whatever your take it's a bloody good laugh and a chance to fly your colours, so I hope you have a good day
Cheers

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 08:35 AM

Shields Folk,
Theres a quote on the back of a Gaughan album that says"what the celts tend to forget is that England was the first colony of the British Empire" or something like that, maybe we have more in common than they like to think
Cheers

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 08:57 AM

Whether anyone finds Morris dancing silly is neither here nor there. If you're in the right frame of mind (and herbal refreshment!) most forms of dancing can look silly.

And Morris dancing does date more slowly than the other forms of "dancing" which the British have indulged in over the past few decades under the guise of fashion. Look at the dancing that you come across from time to time in 60s films; how many of us can look at that without chuckling?

I find the Gulf Arab sword dance extremely silly, but that's just me. I'd never suggest for one minute that they stop doing it just because I don't see much in it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 08:59 AM

Sorry; I should have said "English", not "British".

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: kendall
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 12:39 PM

I think if I was a Muslim, I would capitalize Muslim.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 03:17 PM

Cheers, Slasher:-) I take it all back and hope the doc slips an extra potion or two in that wee bottle!

Still can't figure out what the clog, rapper or longswords have to do with fertility but I suppose someone needs to stamp the seeds into the ground, cut the harvest and thresh the corn;-) You never know...

Cheers

and I will enjoy it (If you are at Lancaster on Good Friday ask Hector for a good measure of Pussers rum)

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 02 Apr 06 - 04:37 PM

By 'herbal refreshment' do you mean some sort of herbal tea. If anything, Morris dancing always gave me a fit of the giggles and sent me rolling around the floor in stitches (with and without the 'erbs). I don't know if you could call that a form of dancing but I certainly hope it catches on! It's my favourite kind.

Yes, I suppose swords would be a handy implement to cut the crops with.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Apr 06 - 09:28 AM

Those of us who play music could play St George's Hymn. Go to this site:

http://www.norbry.net/midi/archive/hymn/

click on the sixth song down (bornin), and you will hear what it sounds like. Chances are it's familiar to you.

It would make a dignified processional, I think.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: kendall
Date: 03 Apr 06 - 05:08 PM

Utah Phillips says "A man should try anything once, except Morris Dancing and incest."

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 03 Apr 06 - 05:34 PM

Morris Dancing is part or the British Isle and also the Celit part of GB.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 06:59 AM

Sounds like Utah Phillips was misquoting Arnold Bax.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: kendall
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 07:22 AM

If he did, it was intentional

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,MikeofNorthumbria(Off Base)
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 07:48 AM

Hi Folks,

Can we please drop the Trolling and Flaming, and get back to the original question? What are we doing for St George's Day/ Shakespeare's Birthday?

Well, quite a few of us will be dancing the Morris on the banks of the river Tyne - in front of the Baltic Gallery on the Gateshead side, 12-1.00 pm, and outside the Pitcher and Piano on the Newcastle side, 1-2.00pm.

And yes, many people think it looks silly - but doing silly things on festive occasions is a traditional part of the culture of England. (And incidentally, of many other nations - think of Carnival, Mardi Gras, etc). Silly or not, many people do enjoy watching Morris dancers - if you don't, you are perfectly entitled to look the other way. It's still a free country - just about.

Wassail!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 08:14 AM

My "Silly" comment was aimed at a very dishonest bigot,Mike.
It looks as though you define silliness in the same way that I do.
I am the Walrus,Doctor Who,Blackadder,Pantomime & Morris are all silly.
They are also things I am very fond of.
If I can I will be at the Baltic on my Birthday.
I'll look out for you there.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 09:10 AM

It's for the whole of England, you know. It's not just St Geordie's Day. :-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 10:25 AM

Paradoxically the Geordies Saint's day is March the 20th (St Cuthbert's day) Geordies tend to miss out on this because they're running around trying to pretend to be vaguely Irish as an excuse to get pissed.
(St Patrick's day being the day before.)
It may take a long time to forge an Autonomous nation-state out of this material.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 11:45 AM

Came over this via the EFDSS site

vote for a holiday

And this one too england

Read all about it.

Chas

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 11:52 AM

Wot we'll get now is that Geordie git coming wiv 'is " Oooo gis a Toss Ooos da it is man. Lets av a bloody party"

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 12:00 PM

That essay on England on the EFDSS is spot on.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

A day for EnglandTM? StGeorge'sday.com?
Hence the expression "Selling England by the Pound."
Fidjit you are the Dick Van Dyke of the keyboard.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 01:00 PM

The antipathy of English cultural "elites" for English culture is as much liberal as Socialist & in some respects more so.
The Country that Conservatives profess to love has more in common with Never Never Land than England.
Those criticism's aside the article makes for interesting reading.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: MMario
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 01:00 PM

March the 20th (St Cuthbert's day) Geordies tend to miss out on this because they're running around trying to pretend to be vaguely Irish as an excuse to get pissed. (St Patrick's day being the day before.)



What happened to march 19th?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 01:20 PM

Good question MMario, in the North East of England "Serious Drinking"
tends to take place on Friday & Saturday nights.
For this reason celebrations of more minor events (which St Patrick's day is In NE England) tend to take place on the Friday or Saturday closest to the actual event.
However for reasons I am at a loss to explain such St Patrick's day celebrations as there were locally took place on the Sunday(the 19th) this year.
There are precedents for this,these days St Patrick's Day in Dublin lasts the best part of a week.
So the answer to your question is the calendar is becoming very fluid.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 04:12 PM

National Geordie Day, 9th of June.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 04:21 PM

Oddly enough that's my brother's birthday.
The Northumbrian Association (www.northumbrianassociation.co.uk)
favours March the 20th
I suggest March the 20th Geordie National Day
          June the 9th   National Geordie Day

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 12:12 AM

Racist flag wavers cause wars!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 03:23 AM

"Racist flag wavers cause wars"?
Well there are certainly enough precedents for that one guest.
However many wars are caused by people over reacting to their own misconceptions and/or trying to impose their own distorted views of others on others.
Do you think you could try & remember that before adopting their practices again?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,another guest
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 03:26 AM

None rascist flag wavers don't.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Bird Flu
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 05:05 AM

purple foxx you have a problem you seem to be a small minded englander who doesn't realise that england is no more! ireland has a real identity and a true culture unlike england which has a mishmash of pseudo cultures. somebody mentions that george did a favour for "norman" knights what a lot of tosh, the only reason that he is the p saint is cos some tosser liked the design of george and the dragoon so they nicked it and used it on the order of the garter. Then some latewr poofy king adopted it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 05:55 AM

Oh, dear; we're back to "pure" cultures, are we?

The main reason that St. Patrick's Day is celebrated far more than St. George's is down to the Americans, who realised a long time ago that it's a great money-spinning activity. And as we all know, when America claps, the rest of the world ("pure" races such as the Irish included) jump.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Bird Flu
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 07:04 AM

Talking bollox but that's expected from a m player. It has been scientifically proven that the purest genes in the british isles can be found in Kerry. Also America has sodall to do with Irish celebrating St Pat - I remember as a kid (1950s) shamrock being sent to my family by irish relatives are you telling me that they did this because some americans told them! americans don't even know what shamrock is - they always show pictures of four leaf clovers and little men in silly hats as a representation of ireland. english are jealous of our irish culture, heritage and purity of race.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 07:21 AM

"It has been scientifically proven that the purest genes in the british isles can be found in Kerry". Is that because they've only recently gotten bicycles?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Admiral
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 07:59 AM

I had already posted this on another thread so I appologise to those who have read it before as I didn't want to waste time rehashing it for a illiterates such as above....

So, what is wrong with being English and proud of it? As already pointed out on this thread it is alright to be Scottish, Welsh and Irish, (thanks LesB) all of whom celebrate their National Day (and Saints) whereas the English have to contend with such attitudes as a Liverpudlion Mayor of London (who on the whole does a good job) but who allows thousand of pounds of London ratepayers money to be spent on St Patricks Day celebrations but refuses to recognise St Georges Day.
The English have been looking for their own identity since the Welsh and Scots got their own Parliaments (kept afloat by English taxpayers incidently). Up until then we were happy to be British but now we should be allowed to enjoy pride in our own country, small and very diverse but a lot to be proud of.
During the Six Nations, all the other British Nations got their own anthems (all about beating up the English) whereas the English team (God Bless 'Em) had to put up with 'God Save the Queen', the British National Anthem, do you wonder that the English are starting to champ at the bit?
As for the Flag of St George, yes, it decended to depths with the National Party (spit) and Maggie Thatcher (double spit) but that was was decades ago, we have recaptured the flag so can we please now move on and be allowed to celebrate our own National Flag and Englishness?
If there are English people out there who want to do so and can make it, Maidenhead Folk Club is having a 'Rise Up St George' Night on the night of 20th April, all will be welcome (including the Scots, Welsh and Irish) to celebrate St George in whichever way the people want to.
Apart from that shameless plug for my own club, this all comes from the heart coming from someone who considers himself to be 100% English and 50% Irish (I leave you to work that out for yourself!)

Tony

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

Surely 23rd of March is National Guinness Day?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 09:43 AM

Ken Livingstone a liverpudlian? Sorry "The Admiral" but you better go back to sailing your toy boats. Ken was born and grew up in Streatham (south london).PS Why should he give Londeners money to a neo-nazi free for all celebration?

St George, kiss my ass.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 09:52 AM

Bird Fu,You have managed to make 11 factual errors in 2 sentences.
I think that requires a special kind of genius.
The "Racial Purity" & "Superior Culture" crap proved disastrous for the last country that was misguided enough to give it a go.
There are no excuses for Racism.Not ever.
That's reality.Deal with it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:21 AM

england is no more!

That's a bit of a worry. Wonder where I live?

:D

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:38 AM

You live in BRITAIN along with all the other fine citizens and islamic bretheren.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:41 AM

And the reason you consider "fine citizen" & "islamic(sic)brethren" mutually exclusive categories would be...?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:43 AM

Do I? Fancy that! I always fancied living somewhere exotic:-)

Just out of interest, where do people from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland live?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 03:50 PM

Dear Bird Flu:

I think you are named after the wrong illness.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Steve Grove
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 03:03 AM

Any suggestions for appropriate church music for St George's day, please? We have a small occasional 'gallery' band here in Devon.

Thanks...

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 08:17 AM

When a knight won his spurs
For all the saints, who from their labours rest

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 02:14 PM

I think the St georges day hymn has already been mentioned, Steve. It can be found on t'internet.

Good luck.

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 07:43 AM

How often do all you "St George .. oh I must celebrate, cos the Irish do" lot actually go to church?

If You don't follow the church, then saints are irrelevant and you are just a bunch of no-cultue wankers - a bastardised mix of the scum of the earth!

As for the tosser that says 23rd March & guinness - what the fuck has that date got to do with the price of carrots?

"And the reason you consider "fine citizen" & "islamic(sic)brethren" mutually exclusive categories would be...? " says the purple shitbag Who on this post said that they considered said lot as exclusive?

This mudcay seems to be populated by a righ bunch of squeeking whinging anti-irish prats.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Shields Folk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:39 AM

what a pleasant individual

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Scooby
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:42 AM

What else can we say!!!!!
Scooby

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:45 AM

What has celebrating St George to do with going to Church, dear Guest? Although, this year, St Georges day is on a Sunday so I expect that some of the Christian members of Mudcat could well be there anyway.

Couple of other questions. How many people celebrating St Patricks day 'follow the church'. How many people, remembering that St Patricks day is always in the middle of lent, celebrate it with a sober visit to their local place of worship?

As to this bunch of 'no-cultue wankers' in the 'mudcay' beeing anti-irish prats. Well, I think your mastery of the English language speaks for itself. Please brighten up our lives still further with your gems of wisdom and intelligence. The worst you can do is keep my thread going:-)

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Brakn
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:00 AM

GUEST is only trying to start a row. Ignore.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Admiral
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:30 AM

Rise Up St George and smite those who hide behind the cloak of Guest!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Scooby
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:33 AM

Well said Tony.
Scooby

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:08 PM

Penis envy.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 01:11 PM

Dear Guest 5th-"seperate"-poster- making-identical-punctuation-&-spelling-errors,by categorising "Fine Citizen" & "Islamic Brethren" seperately you create the logical inference that the latter are not be the former.
It is clear that conceptual thought is not your strong point so I will accept your implicit assertion that this is not what you intended to say.
Perhaps you might like to clarify what you did mean to say?
(You may like to ask a grown up to help you with this.)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:02 PM

Anonymous posters are gutless little prats. If you believe in something strongly enough to expend energy typing it, take the extra step of demonstrating that you stand by your own words. It's damned hard to take you seriously while you're cowering behind a bush.

Take a moment to savor this bit of tongue-in-cheek irony. Then either start using a signature so we can start telling you apart, or bog off.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Hoblander
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:36 PM

Friends of Hollybush                                                         
Hollybush Conservation Centre               
Broad Lane                              
Kirkstall
Leeds LS5 3BP         
Email: [e-mail]
Tel: [phone]





Dear
        
We are holding a Garden Party on the 23rd of April from 12pm- 3pm at the Hollybush Conservation Centre in Kirkstall. The event is a big open day run by Friends of Hollybush, which will promote the Hollybush wildlife garden and the activities at the centre. All are welcome, though we ask that children are accompanied by an adult.

We plan to have music, henna hand painting and folk dancing, as well as a willow sculpting activity in the garden. We will also provide space for other local groups to get involved, either by setting up a stall, or through music or arts and crafts. This will be a wonderful opportunity to promote your group or project. Alternatively you can send us promotional material that we will display for you on the day.
We will be in touch by phone, but directions are below along with a poster advertising the day. We really hope to see you there!

How to find us:
The bus routes are on the map. There is also Headingley train station five minutes up the road. From the station walk down the hill over the A65 (Abbey road) and you will be on Bridge road. Hollybush is just over the bridge.
Parking is available at Morrisons and BHS until 3.30pm.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:54 PM

Leave the poor little lad alone - he has enough problems:-)

Good luck with the fundraiser, Hoblander. Sell roses (White I guess in your case!) for a vast profit. See if the Morrisons and BHS that are letting you park will dispose of some freebies in your direction.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:56 PM

What a lovely post, Hoblander! Shrapnel flying every way and in you step with a quintessentially English and typically understated notice. Tea, anyone?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,RIchard Bridge
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 03:56 AM

BPL, I second that.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 04:00 AM

I see our pure-bred Guest is spouting his racist rubbish again - just the sort of thing we want to avoid when celebrating St George. Let's not forget that St George, if he did exist, was a citizen of one of the most cosmopolitan civilisations known. He even exemplifies cross-fertilisation - in marrying the King of Egypt's daughter he introduced fresh blood into a dynasty well known for marrying its own siblings.

Guest, get on yer bike!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,slasher
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 07:28 PM

That comment by GUEST looks like it should have in the 'Mangled Song Lyrics' thread.
If he can't understand the language how can he understand the culture?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 02:32 AM

Lookin at this website over the past few months I have concluded that mudcat = Scotch loving, Irish hating small minded beardies!

St George? Bollox!!!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 03:35 AM

I don't know about Irish-hating, quite a few of us here (indeed, on this thread) are of Irish descent, but you're the small-minded one espousing hate for so-called mongrel races. Probably something to do with the purity of your blood-line. Say hallo to the family for me.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:32 AM

Damn you, Manitas! You nicked the 100th!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:34 AM

Back to what we are doing on the 23rd. We are making some sort of ritual noises outside here on the said day. Probably one hour ahead of everyone else in England, as we are in Norway. Have a nice day everyone.

Chas

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:41 AM

Hope it goes well Fidjit.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 04:15 AM

First bash at St George tonight! Wonder if I'll win this year?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 09:06 PM

I doubt it, he's bigger than you.
Don't forget that electronic sword and your mobile phone.
Break a few legs in ALL your performances.
JohnB

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 04:08 AM

Electronic sword got broke last night:-( Trying to work out something for Thursday and Friday but if all else fails a good old metal one will do:-)

And he did win again!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 03:15 AM

Session at The Old Oak, Horsely Woodhouse, from 3pm til very late April 23rd
bring your kazoo!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,DtG sans biscuit
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:16 AM

Refreshing

Cool

Clear

Ooooh, stop it!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 01:00 PM

Seeing as my lawn is covered in dandelions, I will pick the buggers on the 23rd as prescibed by tradition and make pittlybed wine.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 01:01 PM

I wish that I could get to a St George's day gathering but I'm 3,000 miles away now and will be at NEFFA on the day. Guess I'll just have to brush up on the traditional English songs and try and get hold of a red rose to wear..

I've got my English flag on order and promised to arrive by the 23rd. It seems that another English woman ordered the English flag from the same place and got shirty when she was given the flag of St George. She expected to get the Union flag and argued the toss with the shop owner when she didn't. It took quite a while to get her to understand the difference, so I was told! And that was in California!

jacqui.c - English and happy with that.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 04:14 AM

Just a week to go now. Realised I can't have the Joseph Holts with my Roast Beef and Yorkshire pub though - Taking a Gnomelet back to uni. that evening:-( Ah well, might make up for it at the Folk club next day:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Haized
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:28 AM

To Clarify i am Scottish and hold no grudges against any nation (apart from the english sports teams :P)
I agree with the point that it is a saints day and should (really) be a religious festival but i suppose the same thing can be said for Christmas and Easter etc.
But to come to my point.
Irish the same as any race have at some point been ruled and the bloodline tainted.
"In 1541, Henry went against the expressed wishes of the Pope and made himself the King of Ireland as well as England. This resulted in an increase in English immigration and settlement in Ireland."
The Norman Conquest
"At the beginning of May 1169, three single-masted longships beached at Bannow Bay, County Wexford. They had sailed from Milfordhaven in Wales, and on board were Normans, Welshmen and Flemings. Their leader was Robert FitzStephen, a Welsh warlord, and they made camp on Bannow Island, separated from the mainland by a narrow channel which has since silted up. A day later, two further ships arrived under the command of Maurice de Prendergast, bringing their numbers to around 600. They were soon joined by 500 Irish warriors led by Dermot MacMurrough, King of Leinster. A century had passed since the Battle of Hastings, when William the Conqueror had launched the Norman invasion and systematic colonisation of England. Now the Norman conquest of Ireland had begun"

So the point is that it is just nonsensical to claim that anywhere in the world that your race is pure.
P.S.
Happy St. George's day people :)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:48 PM

Thanks, Haized - The info is as much appreciated as the sentiment:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: JohnB
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 08:44 PM

My Auntie Val lives in Milford haven, though I don't really know what that has to do with St G.
What do you mean I'm not pure? I'm Pure Anglo-Saxon :)
Sorry, JohnB

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:52 AM

Dave, Shall I abide at thy right side on Monday 24th at SFC. I contacted StGeorg'r'us.com and they said it was OK to celebrate a day late providing you only drank a gallon (no more or less). I shall wear a St G's red rose so you can recognise me.

I will be carrying a copy of the Times and a Gibson J45 under my arm. Apparently St G used to play a Gibson J45 in preference to his Martin. He also sang sea songs and is famous for performing in a local street play. He had something to do with England too.

What a guy.

Doc

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:40 AM

I will not have St George fall off the end.

He got in enough trouble at Lancaster...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Ross
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:24 AM

There's a lot of confusion with George

He was reputed to be a Turkish soldier in the Roman army

He was martyred in similar circumstances to St Albans, but in the Holy land in the very early day of christianity & hence made an early Saint

The English connection is that during the Crusades near on 1000 years later his ghost was alleged to have turned up at a number of key battles - normally when the crusaders were losing - with his appearance - troops would rally & victory would result

So he was a sort of mascot of the Crusaders - hence the mix up with knights & thing - Richard the lionheart etc started it all

El Cid used the same trick in Spain with St James (Santiago) who turned up fighting the Moors after his dead body had somehow floated about the Mediteranean on a cruise

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: JohnB
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:25 AM

Sorry to hear about St George's end falling off. Hope he gets well soon :)
JohnB

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:56 AM

If you combine El Cid and St James do you get Sid James? Carry on St George...

:D

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 05:40 AM

OK - everyone got their loins girded for tomorrow then? :-)

One of our local pubs has started early - Umpteen StG's flags on display. Local florists is doing it's bit - Selling StG's day roses. £2.50 a stem! I'll wait and see what they are in Asda I think.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 11:25 AM

Sold out in Asda - Nice to see they were sponsoring a petition to make St G's a public holiday though:-) Managed to get a growing 'patio' rose. One beautifuly bloomed deep red rose and two in bud. I will wear the bloomed one tomorrow and keep the rest alive for the rest of the year at least - Maybe till next? £2! As opposed to the £2.50 for a single stem. Funnily enough from the same shop:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 06:19 AM

Happy St Georges day!

from all at Gnome Hall.

:D

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Timothy
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:12 AM

What sort of name is "Bird Flu"?! If he/she spent less time dreaming up odd names, and more time actually studying cultures, he/she would know that Muslims celebrate St George as a hero just as much as Christians.

Oh, and BTW, under Christian rules you can't celebrate St George's Day on a Sunday, so the Church celebrates on Monday 24th this year - try to keep up...

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:37 PM

Christian rules

Does he?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,O'rly?
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:40 PM

Happy st georges day, i don't give a fuck when the church celebrates it there gay. LONG LIVE ENGLAND, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN, HAPPY ST GEORGES DAY. Bout fucking time we showed some english patriotism.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:44 PM

What has happened to this board?

O'rly can't spell, has awful grammar and uses expletives... I thought this board was for people interested in folk music, not idiots causing trouble.

England, half English; Billy Bragg said it so well.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: folk1e
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:54 PM

364 days and counting.......

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: woodsie
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:22 AM

Yes St George's day is today 24th April not yesterday. The Church created St George. It was the church that designated the date. So whether you are christian or not

Happy ST G's

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:43 AM

Wayhay! I didn't manage to get to any celebrations coz of commitments to take Gnomelet back to uni so does this mean I get a second bite at the cherry tonight? Folk Club singers night as well. I shall spend the day learning something suitable:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 10:58 AM

My diary said it was Sunday

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 12:08 PM

St. George's Day is April 23rd, no matter when you celebrate it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: jacqui.c
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 07:15 PM

I was at NEFFA down near Boston Mass. and spent the day wearing a hat decorated with red and white ribbons and a rose, (a fabric one from a local craft shop for want of the real thing). If the day is today - HAPPY ST GEORGE'S DAY ONE AND ALL!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 07:32 PM

Had a good 'un tonight - Lots of Englishness. Best, in my mind, was some Les Barker monologues. If that isn't English I dunno what is:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:41 AM

The Sunday Service on BBC Radio 4 is a long established institution.
As St George's fell on a Sunday, it was necessary to mark the occasion.
Not wanting to be too English, they chose to celebrate all the four patron saints in a service held in Scotland dedicated to St. Andrew.

What is it about England?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Bird Flu
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 10:02 AM

Hello all George lovers I'm back from nm=my hols!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 10:05 AM

Gosh, that was a long one, BF.

(o'er, Missus...)

:D (tG)