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Classical music - what makes you listen?

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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: mayomick
Date: 09 Oct 18 - 09:41 AM

the hiss of the steam iron always does it for me.......dashing away with the classics


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Oct 18 - 12:15 AM

Are you referring to "The Lark Ascending"?


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 10:10 PM

What is that trilling bird like violin/orchestra piece by Ralph vaughan Williams ?


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 10:08 PM

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* Pathetique #6









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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 10:04 PM

The Borodin string quartet #2 is pure crisp fresh air where ever you hear it.

Call and answer between sitar and table (Indian Classical Music) is ostensibly the sexiest organic music I have ever heard. The slight departure from rhythmic patterns creates an anticipation that you will never forget and can add to your sensual library. It works like an ancient wisdom come to light.


Barbers Adagio for Orchestra was the only time I saw the cello section split into six parts, likewise the violins had 12 separate parts. The effect is an impenetrable wall of sound.


Do you know the trick of Tchaikovsky's Pathetque' first 13 note theme? It is a clever audio illusion. The tune you hear is not played by anyone but is a composite blending into what you think you hear.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 11:22 AM

I am years too late in coming to this thread.

I listen to classical music for the TUNES, and what the composers do with them. Some appeal to me more than others, but Bach can always bring me to a dead halt with the perfect, yet always surprising, works he wrote for church musicians. "The Lark Ascending" by Ralph Vaughan Williams, or his "Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis", likewise stop time for me.

Grieg's Holberg Suite is the best breakfast music ever, and fine-dining restaurants are not wrong to load their sound systems with Vivaldi.

Modern recordings are so fine, and the musicianship of today's classically trained players so great, that we are living in the Golden Age of classical music performance, both in one's own sitting room and in a concert hall near you.

But I can't have it on the radio in the car. It's either too absorbing or too relaxing, both just totally wrong for driving.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 09:26 AM

That's what I get for carrying a Samsung.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 08:20 AM

It's the Nokia ringtone! Part of a waltz (Gran Vals) by Tarrega.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 08:10 AM

Or perhaps Ride of the Valkyries.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 08:01 AM

The opening notes of Beethoven 5?


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 03:46 AM

The last quartets by Beethoven are wonderful. I also adore Bartok's string quartets, which I think are wonderful as well.

Incidentally, can anyone guess what is the most played classical music phrase played on the planet - hundreds of thousands of plays every day?


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 04:58 PM

The last night of the Proms in 2001 occurred four days after 9-11. The usually rumpus-ridden second half was completely rejigged into a sombre affair with Barber's Adagio at its heart. Towards the end there was a defiant performance of the finale of Beethoven's Choral Symphony (conducted by Leonard Slatkin). The previous evening featured Verdi's Requiem, dedicated to the victims. I remember well the rather rumbustious performance of the Choral conducted by Lenny Bernstein in Berlin after the fall of the Berlin Wall. In the Ode To Joy finale he directed the choir to sing “Freiheit” (freedom) instead of “Freude” (joy). There's a great photo of Lenny, fag in mouth, hammer in hand, chipping away at that wall. I think I've already mentioned Slava Rostropovich's angry and tearful rendering of Dvorak's Cello Concerto in London on the day the Russian tanks rolled into Prague. Music adding to history!

Leonard Slatkin's dad, Felix, was a member of the Hollywood String Quartet, a bunch of musicians used to playing film music. But that quartet got together and made one of the most memorable set of recordings of Beethoven's late string quartets ever. To me, that's the greatest music of all.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 04:23 PM

Just reading this article:

Classical music is undergoing a revolution — and you're probably a fan without realising it


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 07:22 PM

I can't hear Barber's Adagio for Strings
without thinking of JFK and his funeral.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 06:59 PM

Great sex music:

Samual Barber - Adagio for strings

Howard Hanson - Romantic Symphony

Enigma Variations by some British dude.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:02 PM

PUT New Age music to shame give Jeux d'eau Water Games/park by Raval a listen. Water games


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: JMB
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 06:32 PM

I have several CDs of classical music with sounds of nature in the background. There is one with pieces such as Asante by Mozart and a piece from Swan Lake that is played on guitar.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 04:09 PM

Our local library is a center where they discard books, paintings and CDs and sell them. I have even found classified stuff and formidable historic signatures there. Anyway I have amassed quite a classical collection. I would be happy to look for CDs and collections if I knew what you are seeking since they are super cheap.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

If you go for a Fall foliage drive, might I suggest The Pines of Rome at the peak of your trip.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 08:52 AM

Speaking of NOVELTY there is this performance of Argh in D minus


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 08:41 PM

Enough! I'd sooner hack off my Gounods with a rusty machete than continue with this line of enquiry. Let's Tippett into touch here and now!


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:50 PM

Please, no mouret!
Now, time to start supper, I'm getting honegger pangs.
(okay, I'm done.)


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:50 PM

I'm assuming Mrs Steve will be Bach in a Minuette.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:32 PM

It's all right. I can Handel a Fauré into puns.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:50 PM

What a lot of Bizet bees...


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:11 PM

Steve, it sounds like your coming unRaveled. Maybe you need some time offenbach.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 11:44 AM

Er... I just need a fugue minuets to think that one through...can't ask Mrs Steve either...she's out Chopin with a long Liszt, taken the Allegro...she's gone with her uncle andante...


Sorry, Helen! It's that Dave.   I'll get serious again soon!


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 10:27 AM

If someone could not play the paritas on harpsichord but could play them on computer keyboard could you say his Bach is worse than his byte?


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 05:17 PM

Will you are a god damn music historian :^)
You are positioned well. Stealing from folk repertoire for classical treatment is ubiquitous and normal. Stealing the other way around is a rare novelty.

A novelty of mine is taking some of the hundreds of 'baritone duets' Haydn wrote for his King to play BUT I change the instruments to folk instruments and make them as fast as a bat outta hell. Add some syncopation and boom- its folk music.

I play only half of the cello suites which is a fair indication how half assed my skills are. The Bach violin partitas are so famous and thrilling at times I have to hear them 5 times in a row. The cello suites are far more meditative.

I'm still discovering 'new to me' music.
This week it was Quiet City by Arron Copland.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 17 Sep 18 - 12:35 PM

And, of course, the modern " discovery" of the cello suites by Pablo Casals is a great story.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Sep 18 - 04:01 AM

What separates Bach from earlier Baroque musicians is that his musical lifetime coincided with changes to the musical temperament of instruments, as Donuel has said. Brass instruments acquired valves, and keyboards were tuned to equal temperament. The main effect of these developments was to increase the number of keys that musicians could play in without retuning/resetting instruments - and this, in turn, allowed much more sophisticated modulation and more complex adventures in melody and harmony. All of which JSB used to the full. He also drew inspiration from French and Italian music, rather than just German.

His suites for solo cello are wonderful creations; you can hear the chord sequences in the melodic progression, which seems to flow effortleslly. Great stuff!


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Sep 18 - 10:36 PM

His piano concertos especially


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Sep 18 - 10:35 PM

Easy question mozart for this guy


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 18 - 09:51 PM

Vivaldi has some nice mandolin concertos.

BTW Vivaldi is certainly a great Baroque composer and conducter.

I 'll show you a swampy mire .

The tripe JSB's sons composed that were just vertical tripe they called music

Yes JSB himself wrote about raising and refining Baroque music with fugues and chromatic fantasias.

Shall we get into what makes different keys fit together.
It was tempering partly invented by JSB


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 18 - 02:13 AM

I'd possibly start with the things Pip/mum used to play on piano at home which would include some Chopin as well as Beethoven and Mozart sonatas.

While I couldn't name you any piece, I've enjoyed mandolin concertos I've heard on the radio and more generally speaking, probably find earlier/baroque stuff easier listening.

But it's all a bit of a wash and I'd like some material (at least if I can hear a melody...) of any era and dislike other bits and I never really follow up... Not sure that's too different to the way I am with "folk" really. Bits of either can move me, some can leave me cold (or worse) and some in between...

Favorite piece today would be the guitar arrangement of Granada by Albeniz

Performers. I'll go by Pip when she was a student. She reckoned that Alfredo Campoli gave the most amazing concert when she was a student in Brum.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Sep 18 - 12:44 AM

Steve Shaw says: I think that Bach's crowning achievement was to pull baroque music out of a sort of mire...

Joe Offer says: Exactly.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 09:43 PM

Old time recordings may have been played faster than the tempo signature to fit on a 78 side. But today no one plays Beethoven's 5th as marked. It is blazingly fast. It has been recorded at its real tempo but I don't know how to find it. The entire first phrase goes by in under 10 seconds.
Toscanini was famous for his quick crisp tempos.

I just remembered how a conductor took the Bach concerto for 2 violins in one for the first time for performance and fooled the orchestra into playing twice as slow as marked. I let it go by for about ten seconds when I stood up and did a Jimmy Durante imitation yelling 'stop the music stop the music'. Ladies and Gentlemen lets see how fast we can really play this thing, Maestro take it away. and away we went. The accident ended up looking staged.

So many fun things happened, I should make a list.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 04:31 PM

All I can say is, it's lucky I am retiring next year because otherwise I would never have time to listen to all these musical recommendations.

So much music, so little time!

Thanks everyone.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 12:06 PM

Thank you, Donuel. By the way, try the version of the Flute and Harp Concerto conducted by Thomas Beecham with René Le Roy on Flute and Lili Laskine on harp, from the 1940s. It's on YouTube. They seem to have brightened the sound from what I remember when I bought the record over thirty years ago. It's an absolute joy.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 09:51 AM

Steve I like the way your threads allow me to hear many mental excerpts of some of the works you mention. They are better than ear worms.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 09:35 AM

The impressionism of Claire d'Lune is a masterpiece I put into a wonderfully crowded classification of an extra musicular event.

If you perform Bach with a flexible free reign on tempo it becomes music.
If you chain yourself to a metronome and organize volume on a second repetition of a phrase, it is math.

The true golden note in music is a momentary silence.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 09:17 AM

I had a Mozart moment during a competition between violinists performing Mozart concertos. An Asian woman interpreted a concerto in such a way that I had never experienced before. All of Mozart became clear to me all at once. His heart and soul lay bare for all to hear.
Despite being encouraged to give the competition to a young man I had no other choice but to choose the performance of the gods. Each movement described more than I can describe. The work for flute and harp is a fragrant breeze but this violin concerto went farther than music normally goes. Nachtmuzic is not even in the running.

btw
I have my own greatest classical hits medly and Rhapsody in blue is naturally a part of it


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 07:07 AM

Thanks Roderick.

The reason I bought the first Leftfield CD was because of 'Open Up' with John Lydon. I heard it on the alternative radio station a few times and went looking for the CD. I can never just listen to Open Up just once. I have to hit repeat a few times.

When I first used to listen to the CD it was always in the car with the usual car and traffic noises drowning out some of the music, but when I listened to it with earphones I heard so much more complexity. It was a revelatory experience.

BTW, with reference to John Lydon, I also have an original vinyl copy of Never Mind the Bollocks, bought way back when I used to listen to punk.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: GUEST,Roderick A Warner
Date: 15 Sep 18 - 06:02 AM

Hi Helen... to work in a Leftfield mention, a small digression. Most Fridays i go to a vintage market, most of it crap but some interesting stuff. For the last 18 months a guy has been coming with his vinyl stall and that's where I head for. Good prices, eclectic selection. Recently I've picked up some good condition classical very cheap, Mozart Jupiter which is mind blowing, ditto Charles Ives piano and 4th symphony. And a load of house/techno 12 inches, including Leftfield last week, 'Open Up' with John Lydon, bought with a double 12 inch Underground Sounds of Australia. Buying vinyl again has re opened a lot of sonic doors as you go with availability and odd stuff pops up. Add in some Stockhausen and Miles Davis second great quintet recently (interlinked in curious way) and most weekends I have this great mix of stuff playing which weaves in and out of classical (I have BBC radio 3 on a lot which covers a lot of ground) across the genres/sub genres and back. At the moment of writing, Steve Reich playing and the power of the music has pulled me away from this post for the duration. Labels are clumsy, keep the fields wide open...


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: GUEST,IvanB
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 09:41 PM


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 08:37 PM

Well Steve, I'll see whether it is the annoying Mozzie-bite experience or the life-changing experience. I'll let you know. As I said, it may take a while for the life-changing bit because sometimes it takes time for music to grow on me - like a fungus, I suppose. LOL


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 08:33 PM

No worries, Helen (another Aussie term!) They're mozzies here too, and here in Cornwall it's peak mozzie-bite season right now. Two vicious bites on me poor legs kept me awake all last night. I know I've come on a bit thick and fast with Mozart, but that's just a reflection of my enthusiasm. It's no affectation, honest. There really are depths to plumb, and the effort is, no exaggeration, potentially life-changing!


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Helen
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 05:08 PM

Hi Joe,

I like some Baroque.

All right, Steve, I'll give the old Mozzie (the common Aussie term for a mosquito, in case you didn't know that) a go. Light and tinkly is probably about right for me, but maybe I've been listening to the wrong pieces. It will take me a while to listen to all of the pieces you have recommended but I'll do it with open ears and an open mind.

Congratulations everyone for totally IGNORING my mentions of Leftfield. Was this a concerted effort or a series of solo performances? LOL

Helen


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 11:16 AM

Try Mozart's late G Minor quintet. No wig powder in sight there, but plenty of angst, until he finds the sunlit uplands right at the end.


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Subject: RE: Classical music - what makes you listen?
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 10:20 AM

Excellent post, Steve. Much of Mozart's music makes me think of powdered wigs and silken knee breeches but some of those late symphonies were transcendent, particularly the Jupiter.


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