BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 07:42 PM

Eye, Eye, Captain!

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 11:12 AM

Better wash that eye. No telling what you might catch.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 12:52 AM

Just had to check in to keep an eye on old Errol's Willy...

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 12:15 AM

Errol Flynn dreams.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 12:13 AM

I dunno, GUEST,Jack. That snake 'n' eggs shot of Errol looks kinda doctored. The old swashbuckler isn't showing much of note in this one. Sort of looks like a Sears catalog shot. But he looks scared and maybe it's doing the "turtle" thing.

Errol shows a bit more in this picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,A Good Day to Dick.
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:50 PM

Damn! Damn! Damn!
Read all the way down here only to find that GUEST Jack , eventually, gave us the "make-up department's prosthesis" story, which I'd hoped to give a laugh with. According to what I heard, EF used to greet various people - actors, extras, drinking buddies - in his caravan on set, wearing just a towel round his waist as if he'd just got out of the shower, and after a while "accidentally" let the towel slip, to reveal his Little Big Horn; according to one story, Jack Warner saw the offending member and said, "Give me a few slices of that..."

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:16 PM

I suppose it was the fault of when he was a kid, people were cruel to him and said, here comes old rhubarb and custer.....

One day someone wearing a loincloth, or living in wigwam did that very thing.....almost inevitably he was scarred for life.

I believe he was coming to terms with his disability when history intervened so cruelly. I bet they would have sung songs about what he did for race relations with native Americans.

His willy is long
His coat is blue
he's the Indians pal
yahoo! Yahoo!
His name was George
How he must have felt cursed
But if his first name had been rhubarb
It might have been worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:19 PM

And he got what he had coming to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:14 PM

He was a mass murderer.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:01 PM

There is also an outfit called Custer's Last Band that plays the music and arrangements of Felix Vinatieri, Custer's band leader. The band was left behind at the Yellowstone, so Vinatieri survived to eventually produce a great-great (I forget how many greats) grandson named Adam who will be known to you football fans.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 12:31 AM

From the Custer Museum

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 11:27 PM

Somewhere out there, there is a recording called, "Songs of Custer and the 7th Cavalry". I know because I have heard it. It includes Gary Owen as well as Captain Jinx of the Horse Marines sung by a very clear and pure soprano.
Last year, 2005, I danced with the Lakota at the Custer Street Fair in Evanston Illinois.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 09:19 PM

Hey Chongo ... Errol Flynn's over there and I hear he has a big banana

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 06:37 PM

Guess he liked monkeys.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,Sean
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 12:13 PM

Wow, that's a very hot pic of Errol's big bulge with the monkey!

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,Pashdear
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 04:10 PM

Speaking of old Errol Flynn movies on TCM, did anyone see The Adventures of Don Juan this past Saturday afternoon? Great fun romp for swashbuckler fans, and my eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw the size of the package in Errol's skintight leggings. How the hell did the censors let them get away with showing such obvious dick outline? Pretty obscene. I actually feel a bit sorry for Errol having an 11 inch willy - it can't have been too much fun to haul around or have to strap it down to your leg!

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 11:38 AM

Poor chap. It appears from the monkey picture that Errol's portubance was in the middle of his left leg.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:51 AM

And how come nobody ever does that for a floor spot?

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:14 AM

That thorough answer then begs the question--what sparked all of the interest in Errol Flynn, or is this a portion of a knowledge base based on Hollywood? That's an impressive list of readings. Sounds like there's a lot about Flynn to get a rise out of readers. . .

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 09:43 PM

Holy crap! I might have known...

I read "My Wicked, Wicked Ways" and it was a very entertaining book. What a character. He was definitely the greatest film swashbuckler of all time.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,Jack
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 02:51 PM

Hello again folks.

I have read so many Errol biographies over the years that I can't be 100% sure which piece of info comes from which source, but I'll give you a list which will hopefully help a bit. Among the most memorable bios are Michael Freedland's "The Two Lives of Errol Flynn", Charles Higham's "Errol Flynn: The Untold Story", Lionel Godfrey's "The Life and Crimes of Errol Flynn", Gerry Connelly's "Errol Flynn in Northampton", John Hammond Moore's "The Young Errol Flynn Before Hollywood", Don Norman's "Errol Flynn: The Tasmanian Story", Earl Conrad's "Errol Flynn: A Memoir", Tony Thomas' "Errol Flynn: The Spy Who Never Was", Buster Wiles' "My Days with Errol Flynn" and Thomas/Behlmer/McCarty's "The Complete Films of Errol Flynn". Not completely Flynn-based but still worth a read for related info is Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon Parts 1 & 2", David Niven's "Bring On the Empty Horses", James Robert Parish's "Hollywood Bad Boys – Loud, Fast and Out of Control", Paul Young's "L.A. Exposed: Strange Myths and Curious Legends about the City of Angels" (which contains a section called Hung Jury where the author lists 50 well-endowed stars), Mitchell Symons' "The Celebrity Sex List Book" and Amy & Irving Wallace's "The Intimate Sex Lives of Famous People" (hey, you asked – lol). In his comically sleazy book "Penis Size and Enlargement", Gary Griffin devotes a chapter to "Well-endowed Celebrities" – a who's who of penis size in Hollywood, and of course Errol's 11-incher is top of the list. Also worth watching if you ever come across them are Channel 4's "Secret Lives" (1996) and TCM's "The Adventure of Errol Flynn" (2004). But my personal favourite remains Errol's own posthumously released 1959 autobiography "My Wicked, Wicked Ways" – a fascinating, very funny, intelligent and articulately written memoir that I'd highly recommend to any fan who hasn't already read it.

In 2000, Marlene Dietrich biographer David Bret wrote a pretty controversial unofficial bio called "Errol Flynn: Satan's Angel", which is chock-full of lewd innuendo and salacious hearsay – it tells of how he "allegedly" liked to turn his back on director Michael Curtiz in front of the entire cast and "loudly break wind" (which the young Olivia de Havilland apparently found hilarious, p. 42), how he had same-sex encounters with actors Bruce Cabot, Helmut Dantine, Tyrone Power and Rory Calhoun as well as numerous female co-stars (e.g. Hedy Lamarr, Doris Duke, Barbara Hutton, Shelley Winters, Gloria Vanderbilt, Greer Garson, Lupe Velez), and that he enjoyed masturbating in omelettes which he then served to his houseguests (p. 159)! It also mentions an anecdote which was later confirmed as true – that Errol had the make-up team on The Adventures of Don Juan mold him a giant, lifelike prosthetic willy which he would regularly shock crew members with by sticking it through his unzipped fly as though it were his own willy. "Satan's Angel" is seen as the most tacky and perhaps unreliable biography, but it is nonetheless fun to read, and often laugh-out-loud funny.

I've read countless other tall tales of his outrageous practical jokes in the other bios too – that he masturbated on Hollywood gossip columnist Hedda Hopper's doorstep before asking "Will you invite me to come here again?"; that he once planted a dead snake in Olivia de Havilland's leggings "for fun" (something de Havilland has since confirmed as absolutely true several times over); that he kept a mural in his home of fish performing the Kama Sutra; that he owned a huge armchair which turned into an inflatable penis when sat on; that many of his personal possessions, such as bookshelves and cigarette lighters, were shaped like genitals; that his yacht Sirocco was such a hotbed of sexual activity that he frequently flew a flag reading "FFF" – short for "Flynn's Flying Fuckers". Another anecdote that appears to be true is that during his heavily alcoholic later years, when he was banned from drinking on film sets, he spiked oranges with vodka and eat them during his breaks! One last thing: if you go to http://www.anecdotage.com and do a search on "Errol Flynn" you'll find countless funny anecdotes on his life, though one can't vouch for their authenticity.

Oh, and there have been no comments yet on my pic of Errol in tights with a pet monkey! Are you just jealous or was it just so disturbing that you've erased it from your memories? Haha.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 11:40 AM

I'm glad someone has addressed the presence of that nude photo. It was always at the back of my mind that it was a fake, but I found no discussion of it.

Jack, do you have any citations to go with the biographies you mention reading? This is interesting, and is the answer that people started groping for 298 posts back, but a couple of sources would be helpful.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 03:34 AM

bloody hell!
this thread was getting nearly as long as Errol's dong.
after 300 postings - all kinds of speculation, as to who was wearing feathers and who wore a mini skirt, and who took care of the handbags down at the Little Big Horn, we get a calm authoritative answer to the original question.

Thank you Jack, you're all right.

as indeed are the rest of you for providing little spasm of entertainment in my dull, uneventful life.

all the best
Big Al Whittle
(sadly not named Big Al for any reasons comparable to Errol)

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,Jack
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 12:41 AM

Hi everyone,
Not much of a historian but I am a huge fan of old Errol Flynn swashbucklers! I have seen all his movies and read several biographies of him, including his excellent autobiography My Wicked, Wicked Ways. I was just doing a Google search and discovered this forum, and wanted to help answer Weelittledrummer's original question.

I also watched They Died with Their Boots On again just lately on TCM and I know those revealing early scenes you're referring to – it's when the young General Custer joins West Point at the very start, right? You can clearly see this obscenely large outline of his willy through the tights he's wearing! Lol. Later on there's a night-time empty barroom confrontation between him and another character, and Errol is wearing black trousers – not skin-tight like the tights earlier – and again he shows a massive bulge. Well, it ain't padding. That nude photo that was posted earlier of Flynn with a rather average-looking endowment is actually a well-known industry fake, albeit an impressively convincing one that has fooled many people so far. Supposedly Flynn never posed for any full-frontal photos in his lifetime (there are a few bare-chested "beefcake" publicity shots and a few of him posing in swimming trunks), but he would happily whip it out at his legendary house parties. Truman Capote wrote a biography of his friend Marilyn Monroe where he talks about the time she went to one of Flynn's parties, where he entertained his guests by playing You Are My Sunshine and The Star-Spangled Banner on the piano using only his willy! True story, and Marilyn confirmed that it was indeed huge even in its flaccid state. The estimated figure I have most commonly read for Errol's willy is a whopping 11 inches long, though two or three sources cite it as being 10½ inches.

Oh, and YES, Errol's studio bosses at Warner Bros. DID insist that he strap down that huge willy against his thigh to avoid "embarrassing protuberances" (their words) and had it written into his contract, though allegedly he got tired of performing this uncomfortable routine towards the end of his career and would let his willy run wild and free inside his tights. One quote has him as saying something like "If Don Juan didn't have to strap it down, then neither does Errol Flynn!" So to answer your original question, he WAS actually "strapped-down" in 1941's They Died with Their Boots On! Haha, guess they didn't do a very effective job of hiding it, huh?! Must be hard to conceal an 11-inch willy. For whoever's interested, you can also see undeniable evidence of Errol's big bulge in The Charge of the Light Brigade (1936), The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938), The Sea Hawk (1940) and The Adventures of Don Juan (1948). However in most of his other costume pieces he either wears those long frilly pirate-style shirts untucked over his trousers, or else is "hidden" by careful camera angles during the fencing scenes. According to the biographies I've read, this was also a deliberate studio decision.

An interesting pic from The Sea Hawk which Weelittledrummer may appreciate, hehe:
http://www.errolflynn.net/Miscellany/sh13.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Walrus
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:14 PM

From: Stilly River Sage

"...For a complete about face as far as training, marksmanship, and strategy, look at Sargent York..."

But, if you believe the film, the markmanship involved was largely self taught and predated enlistment

W

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 10:45 AM

For a complete about face as far as training, marksmanship, and strategy, look at Sargent York. It's worth watching just for that turkey call in the battlefield near the end. :)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:51 AM

Dandled? Don't you mean "handled?" I assume that EF handled it, at least sometimes. And Custer, too -- not Errol's, but his own. And I'll betcha that, given the arrow, some Indians handled Georgie's as well. Seems like 'most everyone at the Custer battlefield was handling George's at one time or another, except maybe Reno and his bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:04 AM

not drifted.....you can't have a drifting willy. That would be ridiculous.

It's just the way the willy swings....

There have been small swings in the direction of the gentle breezes of opinion, in which it has been dandled.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Walrus
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 06:58 AM

"...Saw a doco about the Gallopoli fiasco - it seems the real problem was the geology, followed by the lack of accurate aerial survey maps (1915!) which resulted in poor planning. Churchill was responsible for this, and it haunted him the rest of his life: don't forget that he was obsessive about ensuring the D-Day landings were well planned..."

Matters weren't helped by the idea that the campaign should begin with the Navy starting the assault without the benefit of any troops other than the marines they carried (fine for raiding, but insufficient to hold ground) and before there were any soldiers available, thus providing a warning for the defenders not only of the possibility of attack, but also of the likely area of any such attack.

I wonder if this could have been one of the inspirations for the deception operations of D-Day?

This thread seems to have drifted a little.

W

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 03:21 AM

yeh, and polaroids......

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:27 AM

"Actually Libbie was not so faithful to George as one would beleive ... she was had a sizzling affair with a Trooper Elijah Johnson, who was well known around the 7th Calvary as having a very large appendage (so to speak). George having found out about this illicit affair between Trooper Johnson and his beloved wife chased him out of the army. In doing so George actually (in all probability) spared Elijah's life. Though Elijah was not heard from again, and his whereabouts where never known ... he did leave behind a legacy that still is here today ... and that is what people jokingly refer to a large willy as a Big Johnson."

Number six, where did you get that story? I would love to see documentation!

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:13 PM

Custer also faced a truly devastating problem: his command disintegrated. Suddenly faced with the shock of many, many more Indians than they anticipated -- Indians who were literally fighting for their families -- Custer's men hesitated and began a disjointed retreat that turned into a rout. They bunched up, as men in deadly combat will, command and control was destroyed, and in effect the companies simply dissolved into small groups and individuals fighting overwhelming numbers.

This has happened before -- at Agincourt, for example, when the English archers searched through piles of French bodies "as high as a man" trying to find live foes to hold for ransom. It happened to the French army in WW1 when 54 out of 100 divisions refused to serve at the front. And it has happened before and it will happen again.

Couple this with the lack of training Custer's men had -- at that time soldiers were trained by the regiment, piecemeal, no formal course of instruction; little or no marksmanship training; and a dare-devil, devil-may-care leader who seems to have made a habit of winning by attacking, and you have a disaster.

True, the Indians did not fight as a cohesive body, but when the enemy is broken the enemy is beaten and you don't need a Napoleon or a Robert E. Lee to destroy them.

By the way, the forgoing analysis is derived from archealogical studies of the battlefield -- and modern knowledge of combat psychology.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:14 PM

From Son of the Morning Star (already cited here) - page 223:

"News of the the Little Bighorn calamity was at first discredited. Americans could not believe that Sitting Bull had defeated General Custer. A few days later, when there was no doubt, they refused to admit that an uneducated savage could have defeated a West Point graduate. So it was alleged that a mysterious swarthy youth from the Great Plains, nicknamed "Bison", had attended West Point and there absorbed the military science that laid General Custer low".

As Rapaire points out, Custer did not do well at West Point. In fact he graduated 34th in a class of 34. Interestingly enough, the Custer apologists had Bison graduating in the upper third of his class. (Well, at least the honor of the Point would be preserved).

There were rumors Sitting Bull had graduated from West Point, could read French, and was familiar with Napoleon's tactics.

In fact there was a cadet at West Point nicknamed Bison. Swarthy, bull neck and "in character from first to last a wild animal".

But a few problems for the Sitting Bull theory. "Bison" was a nephew of a US Senator from Illinois. And most seriously, he was killed by Indians near Tubac Arizona about 1870.

Unfortunately Son of the Morning Star is not footnoted--but there are copious quotes. Very probably the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:59 PM

Churchill kind of had another go at Gallipoli with his theory about the "soft underbelly of Europe" in WWII. The German defence of Italy turned out to be anything but a soft underbelly, since the Italian geography is ideal for setting up a series of almost impregnable defensive positions.

My father was in the fighting in France, Belgium, and Germany, from D-Day plus 4 on. He has said many times that if the Allies had not had air supremacy it would not have been a good situation, given the effectiveness of the German tanks and other equipment the Allied forces were facing. He said that in his entire period of service, from Normandy to V-E Day, he never saw ONE German airplane overhead. He saw thousands of Allied aircraft, and they were routinely called in to smash German armour and dug-in positions.

He had, by the way, seen a great many German aircraft in 1940...over southern England. That was back when the Luftwaffe was still fully capable of mounting an offensive campaign in the West.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:33 PM

Saw a doco about the Gallopoli fiasco - it seems the real problem was the geology, followed by the lack of accurate aerial survey maps (1915!) which resulted in poor planning. Churchill was responsible for this, and it haunted him the rest of his life: don't forget that he was obsessive about ensuring the D-Day landings were well planned.

In some ways Gallopoli was almost a medieval type battle: 100 men with a few well sited Maxims were able to obstruct 3,000 troops in some cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:21 PM

I somehow doubt that Custer ever scored a moral victory over anyone... ;-P But I may be wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 01:52 PM

Don't be silly, Dave. That report about D-Day sounds like one you would have heard in Berlin at the time to me.

I've seen the Allied propaganda from that time (in print). It was melodramatic, bombastic, exaggerated, inaccurate, and self-serving (just like the German and Japanese propaganda)...but the Allies were winning, which helped, didn't it?

Today's American media has, on the whole, been an almost completely compliant cheerleader for the USA's War in Iraq in the early stages, and they continue to be so most of the time now. It is the general public that is losing heart, because they can plainly see that Iraq is turning into an insoluble nightmare, a probable civil war, with no forseeable end in sight. Besides, they were blatantly lied to about WMD. Remember?

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:14 AM

You've heard the saying, "It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game." Custer is reputed to have said this just before dashing off with a partial regiment and scoring a moral victory over the Sioux and Cheyenne.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:40 AM

If D-Day Had Been Reported On Today

by William A. Mayer

Tragic French Offensive Stalled on Beaches (Normandy, France - June 6, 1944) - Pandemonium, shock and sheer terror predominate today's eventsin Europe.

In an as yet unfolding apparent fiasco, Supreme Allied Commander, Gen. Dwight David Eisenhower's troops got a rude awakening this morning at Omaha Beach here in Normandy.

Due to insufficient planning and lack of a workable entrance strategy, soldiers of the 1st and 29th Infantry as well as Army Rangers are now bogged down and sustaining heavy casualties inflicted on them by dug-in insurgent positions located 170 feet above them on cliffs overlooking the beaches which now resemble blood soaked killing fields at the time of this mid-morning filing.

Bodies, parts of bodies, and blood are the order of the day here, the screams of the dying and the stillness of the dead mingle in testament to this terrible event.

Morale can only be described as extremely poor--in some companies all the officers have been either killed or incapacitated,leaving only poorly trained privates to fend for themselves.

Things appear to be going so poorly that Lt. General Omar Bradley has been rumored to be considering breaking off the attack entirely. As we go to press embattled U.S. president Franklin Delano Roosevelt's spokesman has not made himself available for comment at all, fueling fires that something has gone disastrously awry.

The government at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is in a distinct lock-down mode and the Vice President's location is presently and officially undisclosed.

Whether the second in command should have gone into hiding during such a crisis will have to be answered at some future time, but many agree it does not send a good signal.

Miles behind the beaches and adding to the chaos, U.S. Naval gunships have inflicted many friendly fire casualties, as huge high explosive projectiles rain death and destruction on unsuspecting Allied positions. The lack of training of Naval gunners has been called into question numerous times before and today's demonstration seems to underlie those concerns.

At Utah Beach the situation is also grim, elements of the 82nd and 101st Airborne seemed to be in disarray as they missed their primary drop zones behind the area believed to comprise the militant's front lines. Errant paratroopers have been hung up in trees, breaking arms and legs, rendering themselves easy targets for those defending this territory.

On the beach front itself the landing area was missed,catapulting U.S. forces nearly 2,000 yards South of the intended coordinates, thus placing them that much farther away from the German insurgents and unable to direct covering fire or materially add to the operation.

Casualties at day's end are nothing short of horrific; at least 8,000 and possibly as many as 9,000 were wounded in the haphazardly coordinated attack, which seems to have no unifying purpose or intent. Of this number at least 3,000 have been estimated as having been killed, making June 6th by far, the worst single day of the war which has dragged on now--with no exit strategy in sight--as the American economy still struggles to recover from Herbert Hoover's depression and its 25% unemployment.

Military spending has skyrocketed the national debt into uncharted regions, lending another cause for concern. When and if the current hostilities finally end it may take generations for the huge debt to be repaid.

On the planning end of things, experts wonder privately if enough troops were committed to the initial offensive and whether at least another 100,000 troops should have been added to the force structure before such an audacious undertaking. Communication problems also have made their presence felt making that an area for further investigation by the appropriate governmental committees.

On the home front, questions and concern have been voiced. A telephone poll has shown dwindling support for the wheel-chair bound Commander In Chief, which might indicate a further erosion of support for his now three year-old global war.

Of course, the President's precarious health has always been a question. He has just recently recovered from pneumonia and speculation persists whether or not he has sufficient stamina to properly sustain the war effort. This remains a topic of furious discussion among those questioning his competency.

Today's costly and chaotic landing compounds the President's already large credibility problem.

More darkly, this phase of the war, commencing less than six months before the next general election, gives some the impression that Roosevelt may be using this offensive simply as a means to securere-election in the fall.

Underlining the less than effective Allied attack, German casualties--most of them innocent and hapless conscripts--seem not to be as severe as would be imagined. A German minister who requested anonymity stated categorically that "the aggressors were being driven back into the sea amidst heavy casualties, the German people seek no wider war."

"The news couldn't be better," Adolph Hitler said when he wasfirst informed of the D-Day assault earlier this afternoon.

"As long as they were in Britain we couldn't get at them. Now we have them where we can destroy them."

German minister Goebbels had been told of the Allied airborne landings at 0400 hours.

"Thank God, at last," he said. "This is the final round."

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:23 AM

No, they're just feeding America's young men and women to the meat grinder. Bush and Rumsfeld are turning the crank.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:13 AM

Rapaire - I'm a ittle confused, is the USA _WINNING_ in Iraq?

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:01 AM

So if the Sioux and Cheyenne had been covered by television, Custer would have won. Custer should have have realized that and left the reporters at home. Heck, I'll betcha that the reporters with Custer wouldn't have minded one bit being left at home -- along with the entire 7th Cav.

But then, Custer didn't exactly graduate at the top of his class at The Point, either. Some thought that he might not have graduated at all if the Civil War hadn't happened and he hadn't cheated a bit on the exams.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:38 AM

The US lost Vietnam because of those bloody TV cameras - kept them under control in Iraq this time HA! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:01 AM

What??????????????????????

Never heard that one before. If true, it is proof that human arrogance and pretension know no bounds. But I already knew that. ;-)

There were similar foolish rumours in WWII that the Japanese Zeros which were generally massacring their opposition in the South Pacific in the first 6 months of the war were cheap imitations of a prewar American design (!) (the Hughes racer or whatever...) and that THIS was why it was superior to just about any frontline American fighter plane it encountered in the first year of the war... Duh! Uh...this is supposed to make some kind of sense???

Har de har har! Amazing, the crap people make up in order to keep fooling themselves that only they are the biggest and the best that ever was or ever could be...and everyone else is just playing catch-up.

The Japanese suffered from that kind of hubris too. In the end it always proves costly. It did for Rome. It did for Germany. It did for Japan. It did for Custer. It has done and shall again for the USA.

"Pride goeth before a fall." And in politics...creative lying on a grand scale usually goeth after said fall...except in the case of a total, absolute, and final defeat. Maybe even then.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:55 PM

What I thought was most fascinating about the Little Big Horn was that afterwards, unwilling to believe that Indians could have beaten a West Point grad, Custer fans came up with the idea that Sitting Bull was actually a renegade who had attended West Point.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 12:20 PM

Well, yeah -- blood, among other things.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:19 AM

I understand there was something in the waters of the Little Big Horn.

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:08 AM

Custer could'a!

I have recently discovered a manuscript in the handwriting of Errol Flynn stating, "When they took the picture I had a bananna in my pocket -- I really wasn't happy to see anybody right then, considering the hangover I had."

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 10:40 AM

Oh, Shambles!

(You're finally going with the flow!)

Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:10 AM

Interest in Errol and his thing seems to on the wane,

Well you can't keep it up forever......