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BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe

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Subject: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 05:44 PM

In 24 hours, I leave for a whirlwind vacation to Europe for 10 days. I will be visiting London first, where my 21 year old son has been spending his second semester of his junior year in college.

We are then going to Rome, Venice, and Munich than back to London.

I look forward to a great time and to report back to you my insights into Europe from a very American viewpoint.

I hear the food in London sucks. I hope they are wrong, but my kid says so as well as others.

So I will be gone for a while, no laptop will I carry.   might check in with a report from time to time on this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 05:51 PM

Have a great time! I look forward to hearing your report!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 05:53 PM

Have a wonderful time! And remember that the hot dogs "over there" (such as they are) are no where NEAR as good as those in Chicago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 05:54 PM

Bring me back something smutty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:05 PM

He's not stopping in France, Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:06 PM

Martin,
Enjoy your time with your son. Hope the weather cooperates.
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:08 PM

Like the French have some sort of monopoly on smut?!?!?!

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:14 PM

Try out the Indian, Chinese, or Thai restaurants in London, Martin. When in England, it doesn't necessarily follow that you must eat English cuisine. ;-P

Steer clear of Olive Whatnoll and other people of her ilk who say things like "Wot?", "Bloody 'ell!" and "Cor blimey!".

Chongo says, "Don't take no wooden bananas."

If you have a chance, visit quaint old Twillingsgate in the Cotswolds. If you're very lucky you may get to see Veronica Rutledge flash by in her Zebra-striped Porsche...or her Aunt Penelope and Uncle Winston might breeze past on their polo ponies. If so, get pictures, okay?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Bert
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:15 PM

In London you have to know where to go to get good food.

You can (or used to be able to) get a good roast beef at Harrods.

Ask a taxi driver. Pub food is often quite good but again, in London you'll have to ask a native (if you can find one).

Squeaks or Micca or any of the other London Catters should be able to help you.

Also you should ask around to find a good Chippy (Fish & Chip Shop).

If there are any good fish mongers left, see if you can get REAL kippers, or better yet a Buckling.

And if you see a street merchant selling shell fish you can try the shrimp, winkles and whelks, You can skip the prawns 'cos they are the same thing that are called shrimp here in the states.

Go to Petticoat lane and see if Tubby Isaacs is still there and try Jellied Eels. But I'll warn you they are an acquired taste.

Take care & Have fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:16 PM

NO!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:21 PM

Whey-aye Martin!!

If yez want te try some GOOD English grub ye need te got oot o' London - It's aall foreign there.

Get yersel roond the country a bit - Try the Stottie Cake or a Singin' Hinny on Tyneside, A bowl of Scouse in Liverpool, An Oggie in Cornwall.

Gan te Scotland and try real HAGGIS or a 'Smokie', Lava Bread in Wales, Curry in Birmingham!!!

Unfortunately oor epicurean trends have fallen a bit by the wayside - In a recent survey of 'Top Ten English Foods' Sweet & Sour Chicken, Pizza and Curry were aall in theor

Starve yesel' til ye get te France - The might be miserable bastards but, My God! The' can cook - Same in Italy

Anyway Bonnie lad! Hev a great time and lerrus knaa when yez come back warra great time yez had


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:29 PM

Ah've nae haird guid Scots dialect here in whit seems tae be a lang time, Geordie. Guid on ye, lad!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:33 PM

Martin, there are alot of good places to eat in London. It's like any major city, you just need to know where to go!!

Have a good and safe trip.

Enjoy!

Khatt


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Shields Folk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:36 PM

He's a geordie you knacker!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:39 PM

It's advisable not to walk in the middle of the street in Venice.

And it'd be a good ideas to avoid openly sneering at the locals in all those places.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:43 PM

Fine then. Ah knaa he's a Geordie, yee sackless moron! Divvent tell me what Ah can an canna syah.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Shields Folk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:43 PM

haddaway n shite


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:45 PM

Have a good one Martin ... London is one of my favourite cities!

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Shields Folk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:46 PM

and a geordie wouldn't say 'canna syah'


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: John O'L
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:57 PM

Not going to Paris?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:06 PM

In my experience Geordies are likely to say just about anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Shields Folk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:07 PM

Not to other Geordies though but


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:09 PM

Martin, would it be too much to ask for you to tell everyone in Europe you meet that you're Canadian? I mean, we've got enough PR trouble in the world as it is. LOL


By the way, Yorkshire Pudding is damn good when done right. The cheese is terrific, and the beer is some of the best. Good luck


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:11 PM

Polite response:

Enjoy the trip, Martin - have a good time. Watch out for the fatal problem caused by lack of circulation in the legs caused by lack of movement when sitting down for hours. Flex the ankles and calves regularly during the trip, bathroom visits will give you exercise. Beware of bowel problems caused by drinking bad water - you don't want your ass to fall out.


Impolite response:










naaaaaah

on second thoughts, I'll be nice....


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:12 PM

Martin. I sincerely hope you enjoy your trip and had I known a while ago I would have arranged to meet in London to share a meal together. I note that Greg F has lowered himself to lower the tone of a thread which is wishing you well but please ignore that post and make the best of your trip. Best wishes, your old adversary...Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:29 PM

Now what are the odds of martin actually enjoying anywhere multi cultural? You'll hate it here. Then again it may be a novel change for you to have to keep your mouth shut and act like a good little tourist.

Venice will have to come in for a few compliments, just so as not to make you look like the uncultured moron you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:31 PM

Divvent tell me what a Geordie waad or waad not syah . Ah knaa everything there is te knaa aboot it. Ahm the world's greatest expert on Geordie dialect. Ahm also always reet an nivvor wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:38 PM

Have a good and safe trip, Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:42 PM

I pity those in Europe who cross his path. And I'm sure he won't keep his mouth shut, so he will be acting just like a tourist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:45 PM

Last thing I'll want to know about are your "insights into Europe from a very American viewpoint".

Hope you learn something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:06 PM

Time for Greg to hook up a hot electrical wire to the doorframe? Heh!

Tell him where you live, Greg...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:08 PM

Have a nice holiday Martin.

i rarely go to London, so I don't know what to recommend. Most of the big hotel chains have decent restaurants - I hope you get lucky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:20 PM

"I hope you get lucky."


Naaaaah - I'll leave that one alone, but it HURTS to do so...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:20 PM

Breakfast at McD's and dinner at Hard Rock Cafe. Sorted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:22 PM

Gee! Couldn't help but notice the total lack of resposes along the lines of, "Look us up while you're in town, mate, and we'll have a pint and play a few tunes!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:31 PM

I think this thread might be really helpful - Advice to Tourists...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:36 PM

And, for God's sake, please behave yourself, Marty... The US has a bad enough reputation going as it is...

But have a great time and if ya' see the Queen walkin' down the street in London will ya' ask her just what the heck is wrong with Charlie... I mean, I've looked at piccures of Diana and then of Camille and, hey, this ain't rocket surgery here, ol' Son... No, sir... Not rocket surgery...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:09 PM

All these threadbaiters astound me. Everyone complains about Martin, yet they crawl out of the woodwork looking for trouble. Has the local S&M club closed for the evening? Give it a rest people! You complain about Martin's responses and yet you feel comfortable to egg him on and then say "I told you so!"   

Schools out people, grow up! Your no better than the dog that bit you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:12 PM

Hmmm, you probably need travel insurance and a travel health plan too then...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:14 PM

Not egging him on, Ron, just saying good riddance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:14 PM

Now Ron.... some of us have - at great effort I maight add - have been TRYING to be as nice and helpful as we can to someone like him...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:19 PM

Foolestroupe, I do realise that many people have been trying to be nice and helpful, but you have to admit that there are a few posts here that are not issued in that spirit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:27 PM

The Martin Gibson we all know and love here is a fictional character, as we have often been reminded; there's no reason to assume he or she will be making the trip in character. So he or she will probably be a delightful visitor who will have a really good time, in some very enjoyable places.

The trick to enjoying trips abroad is to avoid the places which try to do things the way they do back home, and search out the places that the locals enjoy, and learn to do the same. (That's where it differs from going somewhere as an immigrant, when the key to survival is to find a little bit of home in the new place.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:37 PM

Lighten up, Ron... Most of what I've read here was good natured... Hey, if there's anyone in Mudcat that hasn't worked harder at settin' himself up for a little ribbing than MG I'd sho nuff like to know who that person is???

And, based on some of the things Martin has posted here in the past he's lucky to be gettin' off as light as he apparently is... I won't bring them up but there are a couple which lie just shy of unforgiveable.... Most of us know what I'm talkin' about here...

Nuff said...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:02 PM

Well said Bobert!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:05 PM

Hey Ghost I was going to suggest Brick Lane! Especially if he uses his favourite term "towel heads". Yep he'll go down a storm. And he could round the evening off with a drink in Old Compton St.

Sorry martin but Europe doesn't have a guide book for homophobic, racist, mysogynists. Maybe you could write one?

1. Got out at Heathrow - too many foreigners went to room.

2. Got out at Rome - too many foreigners and these ones couldn't even speak English. Went to room.

3. Got out at Munich - too many foreigners who couldn't speak English and didn't know a decent sausage. Went to room.

4. Got out at Venice - too many foreigners who couldn't speak English, didn't know a decent sausage and the men wore tight jeans (too dodgy.) Went to room.

5. Arrived back at Heathrow - nearly spoke to a foreigner out of desperation as I haven't been able to converse for the last week due to only having the one language.

6. Flew home - refused the onboard hospitality from the gay air steward as these guys carry disease you know.

7. Ripped up passport.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:08 PM

LOL! Omigod... This place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:09 PM

ROFLMAO!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:20 PM

GUEST - you sure that is not Mudcat Jack's travel diary?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:22 PM

:-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 12:50 AM

He hasn't stopped posting yet. I suspect it was just another sob story to make the Mudcat Gods back off a bit so he wouldn't get spanked again...

Reminds me of MASH - Klinger and his frequent reported deaths and illnesses of his family... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: suzi
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 01:10 AM

Enjoy ya trip Martin.....

soozi


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:28 AM

Most people on here only know Martin Gibson from the cacophone of words that echo from his comp! Yet so many see fit to judge him as a real person, not knowing what he is really like. I would consider the only people able to judge or assess the real 'Martin Gibson' or Mr 'Two Guitars' are the people who know him personally. I for one wish him the same kind of trip I would wish for myself. Come on folks, get a grip and recognise the reality and the fantasy. Lot of nice people on here but even some of the best think it O.K to lower themselves when attacking others 'mob handed'. It's the stuff riots are made of!
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:36 AM

Martin, have a great trip...it's a pity you'll only be visiting London in Britain. It isn't typical of the rest of the country at all. And if you decided to have a bit more of a look round here, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME AND HAVE A MEAL WITH US, A BED FOR THE NIGHT AND GOOD COMPANY.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ernest
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:53 AM

Have a good trip and tell us what music you encountered on your way!

Regards

Ernest


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 05:28 AM

Mudcat Jack is busy terrorising the pubs of Surrey, it's not his diary! He would NEVER shun food, regardless of who served it... this is a dog that will lick tank tracks for heaven's sakes!

Martin - you're welcome to come over and see us in east London, Manitas can get you to a couple of good sessions and I'm sure if everyone else weren't at Miskin, they'd be happy to see you too.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 05:48 AM

He should be on his way now... I hope he has time to see something worthwhile, from the schedule he'll be on the move all the while. Brick Lane would be a good choice, a chance to see the former Jewish heartland of London (am I right in thinking that there's an old synagogue that's now a museum?), descendants of the immigrant Jews graduated to better places, and replaced by West Indians and Banglas in their turn...

Travel can expand the mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,UK Folkie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 05:51 AM

If you want to know what Martin thinks of Folk Music here check out his post of less than a year ago, May 30 05 @ 5pm


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 06:01 AM

Enjoy your trip Martin. If in Ireland let me know.
Best wishes
Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 06:09 AM

Guest,if Junior is studying for a first degree (bachelor) here then he will nornally be on a 3 or 4 year course. It might be shorter if it's a vocational course or a master's degree or doctorate.

MG,
As for sessions, what part of London are you staying in and what days? I'll PM our phone number.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 06:22 AM

Micca and I live about 10 minutes from Liz and Manitas. If you're about let me know and we can meet up...

Safe journey


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Pied Piper
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:06 AM

It seems that some amongst us see posting on this forum as a way to air fictional alter egos. Perhaps this is where I've been going wrong, you see I've always posted as ME with MY opinions and Ideas however flawed.
I don't want to waste time playing silly games with made up characters put on by people unwilling or unable to be themselves.

It's all clear to me now; Martin is just pretending to be a Basterd.

That's fine then?

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 09:11 AM

Blooms will probably be closed then but Kossofs were still open yesterday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 09:28 AM

"Martin is just pretending to be a Basterd."

Damn! I'm not as clever as I thought! He fooled me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 09:30 AM

a gimp?   Would somebody translate for me? In the states that is a derogratory nickname for somebody with a bad leg.

Maybe I should lighten up. The threads in the past few days have been filled with venom and hypocrisy. I will let others play in traffic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 10:19 AM

If any of you Brits encounter this fellow we want a full report.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 10:28 AM

We'll send bail, just like King John did for RIchard the Lion Heart...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 10:35 AM

I am leaving in 5 1/2 hours for the airport. I have PM'd a few of you to personally thank you for your well wishes and generous offers.

My son is studying abroad in London this semester from a prestigious small private college here in the Midwest. He is enjoying himself immensly. I am coming into London to spend his spring break with him and arriving Friday morning after an all night flight. He has a whole itinerary planned for me and then we leave Sunday morning for Italy, where I have a cousin who has lived there for some 15 years. then off to Germany and 1 night back in London on 4/22 before I come back to chicago 4/23.

This is not a hoax or any bullshit.

As I have now been on Mudcat for 2 years, part of the real me is more there than perhaps early on. Aler Egos are never 100%, but are something that can be controlled to varying degrees as needed.

There are some very good people here and also some complete douche bags. The losers here are losers in life, and the winners here rise to the top like good cream. Both types are well represented in this thread.

I will be reporting back and if I can get on a computer somewhere, sometime, will report "from the field."


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 11:06 AM

'Reporting from the field' ... sorta like Ed Murrow.

BTW ... when your over there MG try to visit a music store and give us a review of the Fylde guitar.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 12:44 PM

ptui!

Alter egos are all well and good but it takes a certain character and mindset to create and maintain that alter ego.

If MG meets with any Mudcatters, his persona as Martin Gibson is finished.

My opinion? He will NOT meet any Mudcatters.

Have a simply wonderful time, Martin! she called, liltingly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:21 PM

Have an enjoyable trip, Martin. I will be most interested to hear what you have to say about your impressions of Europe.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:44 PM

Leaving for the airport in 75 minutes, packed, and am killing time.

Thanks, Don. I will.

And Ebbie, I'll let you try to wonder with who I will be having dinner with Friday night.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Jaze
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:04 PM

Martin, Have a great trip and pleasant visit with your son. I envy you, I'd love to be going there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:07 PM

Bon voyage!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Janie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:28 PM

Have a good trip.

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:01 PM

Hey Martin-have a great time and safe journey. Explore your roots if you can ('cause we don't really think yer last name is "Gibson"). Also, check out a music shoppe or two...some nice gits made in England, Ireland and Germany...heard a lot about Lakewoods...maybe you can noodle on something over the pond whilst relaxing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: DougR
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 05:40 PM

Martin: sorry I didn't see your post until after you had left. I hope that your trip is a enjoyable as our last trip to GB was. We included Scotland and Ireland and enjoyed both immensely. We are headed to Southwest England and back to Scotland and this time Northern Ireland next September. I'll be interested in your report but will be surprised if you did not like London very much.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 06:18 PM

Hadaway & Shite ??? Are the' norra firm of solicitors in Westgate Road?


Diz anybody remember Windows Music Shop in Newcassel??

When aah wez a sailor we used te play 'Windows' at parties!

We'd gerra good lukkin' lass te pretend she wez a window then we'd aall hang oot of her!!

Good Gyem an' aall

Canny Lass forbye she's a bit of a workie-ticket mind!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 07:08 PM

Enjoy yourself, and enjoy the places you are going to see and the people who live there. (And maybe Martin might consider pensioning-off that "douche bag" that keeps turning up when he gets annoyed at people...)

And make allowances for the jet lag. Right now it's early evening in Chicago and past midnight here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Vladimir the Inhaler
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 09:44 PM

Martin, I'll be in Europe around the same time ... let's meet up for dinner and chew over a few ideas..

tastefully

Vlad


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Amos
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 09:58 PM

While I am very pleased that Martin has decided to go over the water, it is a pity he will miss the opportunity to hear Willie sing his latest song from the West Texas cattle country:

http://secretcowboys.com/


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 10:25 PM

And now the rebuttal--a little realism.

Sorry "Martin"--

You have no credibility--you've seen to that yourself good and proper.

All we know is that you say you're going to Europe. Based on your track record that's not good enough. It's either visiting Europe or working late at Burger King for a while. Or perhaps sensitivity training. Now I wonder why that should come to mind.

On the off-chance you are in fact visiting Europe, be sure to take lots of masking tape--in case you're tempted to open your mouth. Or you could just go back on your meds--that should help a little.

No doubt about it, you're the perfect good-will ambassador.

Perhaps when you come back we can arrange for you to be White House spokesman. You'd be doing us a great service--otherwise, impeachment may not be easy.


"Martin" is your alter ego. Interesting. And no surprise.

It's a toss-up, however, as to which is worse: On one hand we have a foul-mouthed bigoted semi-literate posting in Mudcat, alienating people all over the world and driving good people off Mudcat--some come back, some don't. On the other hand we have a twisted individual who plays a foul-mouthed bigoted semi-literate who of course alienates people all over the world and drives good people off Mudcat---and thinks it great fun.

Either way, it's pretty clear, as I've said before, that the moderators of Mudcat made a serious error in allowing "Martin" whatever it may be, to come back into Mudcat as a full member.

Perhaps they will reconsider.

And as for the people who defend this sick individual who of course plays "Martin Gibson", they also need some serious self-examination. Do you really want to defend a creature who his attacked virtually every ethnic group, is misogynistic in the extreme, has mocked the handicapped and wished a Mudcatter's child dead?-------and thinks it a big joke?

Except for kindred spirits (Clinton Hammond possibly?), I would think that many Mudcatters would not want to defend this so-called person.

But perhaps I'm wrong--perhaps the population of masochists on Mudcat is higher than I thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 03:25 AM

Not masochism Ron, it's called sense of humour - you might think of getting one yourself.........


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 04:19 AM

Aah divvent knaa why (if he p*sses so many people off) people bother to reply tiv his threads.

This is how he gets his kicks and if yez respond in kind then yez are just fueling his flame!

Unless aall the 'hate' responses are MG in another guise playin' his own game.

Let the lad enjoy his burl roond Europe - If nowt else it gives uss aall a rest forra coulpa weeks.

Interesting to note that he has a son! So MG's not a total wanker.

If he gets up yer snotter then go on to the next thread and like anything that's starved it'll fade & die

Gerruptivit Lads! Aah see Sunderlands been designated an 'FA Trophy-Free' zone again!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 04:35 AM

At the end of the day...we all get things wrong don't we? The kind of personalities on mudcat may not be what you see in real life...some might,I grant you but how many of the women will admit to their husband coming home from work and kicking the cat or hitting them. How many of the men on here will admit to doing just that or something equally bad (Not saying all men do but some sure do). Just because someone decides to portray a character on Mudcat does not make them any less a person than you. I do agree with Guest Ron when he talks of racial abuse and talking of wishing another Mudcatters child dead....if that is indeed true (I perhaps missed that last one) and feel that any such remarks should be quickly obliterated by the censors but on the whole this is not such a bad place to visit or many of you would not still be visiting...would you? Or do you come here for the controversy? If I were to look back over any of your individual posts, would I find that you are all sweetness and light and never wrong anyone else?. Would I find the charitable, caring, Mudcat grouploving person that some of you purport to be. Would I find anything that could be construed as racist or inflammatory in your posts? Of course not! Who you??? No way.
I don't defend Martin Gibson as a mudcatter because the character he portrays on here sometimes is obnoxious, however so are many others!...hidden behind a facade of decency there are always the cutting words that will hurt someone else. We are all capable of it and it it always by choice that we make those remarks. If you allow someone to wind you up then you will react....which is exactly the kind of response they are expecting of you..so they play you like a child in the playground at school. Let's get real and avoid those silly little controversies! Can you? Do you really want to?
Best wishes, Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 04:49 AM

Thanks, Ron Davies.

...and to the rest of you MG apologists and dispensers of good will...

what can I say?

I used to be a member but Gibson drove me out. If I dare comment on anything (even with guest status), he attacks me in a derogative manner. I have to protect myself by using anonymous Guest postings if I wish to comment. I no longer enjoy the benefits of PM's but had to block Gibson.

Gibson manipulates the discourse on this forum, but thats the way Max likes it, I guess. I sometimes wonder if MG is the alter ego of Max. Is Max real? Has anybody ever met him?

Anyway, I'm not losing any sleep over it. No tears. Just scratching my head at so-called folkie standards. Funny that.

No wonder Bush has so much support.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 07:00 AM

"Interesting to note that he has a son! So MG's not a total wanker."

Once may be considered an accident... (Oscar Wilde?)

" I sometimes wonder if MG is the alter ego of Max. Is Max real? Has anybody ever met him? "

I am informed he is - and there are threads that point to some music he has recorded - a nice voice too!

You bee be careful with such ideas - a while ago I suggested something similar and I got severely spanked for it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: skarpi
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 08:54 AM

Jesus - Maria ...............................


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,g
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 09:08 AM

Dianavan @ 4:49 AM - that was sort of a cheap shot. May it demostrates why you seem to have some problems here.

See, Looks like I am no better than anyone else here. (of course, I never intended to be)


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 09:48 AM

GUEST,g is GUEST,G your parental unit? Just wondering.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 10:06 AM

GUEST Dianavan. I guess we can all make ourselves the 'Victim' but I can remember personal attacks from you and Strollin' Johnnys' attacks from you. I'm still here and so is he , why aren't you?. Please stop feeling sorry for yourself and get back here with your opinions. Just be real and pleasant with people and you'll get along fine.
Best wishes, MIke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 10:12 AM

Fascinating.

MG [which stands fpr Mangia Gatz- or is it Manzer Gembeh? - but I digress] has proven itself an absolute shit.

Now people- who should know better, or at least know shame- are lining up and shoving each other out of the way in an all-out scramble to lick its ass.

Nowt so queer as folk.

And I second Dianavan's observation re: Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 10:43 AM

ATTENTION: Mick is stepping out of moderator mode, and entering my member commenting status.

Martin has left for Europe. My belief is that he probably started this thread to make the point that you will still be talking about him even though he has been gone, that you will still be talking about him when he gets back. He will laugh, and in his own twisted mind will derive satisfaction. Those that attack him and those that wish him well are just the same. None of you have the moral high ground. He's right. Congratulations.

Mick is now re-entering the moderator zone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 11:16 AM

Yeh you're right Mick, we're all complete bastards and gobshites, when you get down to it.

Does anyone fancy designing a Martin Gibson World Tour Sweatshirt?

XXXL for me


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 11:36 AM

Really folks - Hasn't Martin gone waaaay past his 15 minutes of fame here ? Can't we move on to something more important - like "What is folk music" ? Let all get a life - and one that doesn't revolve around a troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 11:37 AM

I'm beginning to think that posting on Mudcat is another form of road rage.   People tend to get very bold when they are behind the wheel and in control of their own ship. People tend to give the finger, curse, and occasional do worse things when behind the wheel. It is something about being in control of your own little world and watching the rest of the world go by. You become embolded and do things that you would not do if you were standing next to that person.

Same thing with Mudcat. We often say things to a persons that we would never say if they were standing right in front of us. We feel good when we hit that submit button as if the world were waiting to hear our epistles.

We are all Martin Gibsons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 11:49 AM

As usual, Ron hits a home run.

Well said.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Bert
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 12:00 PM

Well I just can't wait 'till he gets back and tells us his opinion of jellied eels. I wish I could see his face when he tries them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 12:00 PM

Right, Mick, it cleared the fence still on the rise. Whew!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 02:27 PM

You said, Ron! ;-P


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 02:29 PM

Interesting. Martin Gibson is not even here right now, so here we all are, standing around pissing into the punchbowl, doing his job for him.

Attention. That's what he wants. And like a stray cat, if we keep giving it to him, he'll keep coming back.

Just an observation, but when MG started this thread by announcing that he was heading off for two weeks in Europe, it sounded to me like he was pretty happy about it and really wanted to share it, sincerely hoping that others would feel happy for him. It's a pity that, because of his consistently obnoxious behavior, he's pretty much painted himself into a corner with most Mudcatters, and feeling happy for him and wishing him well are not very easy emotions to come up with.

As far as "Martin Gibson" being merely an alter-ego and not actually reflecting the real person behind the pseudonym, I think any competent psychiatrist would say the any alter-ego is a genuine facet of an individual's personality. It may not be what they show to their family and friends, but the fact that in a place like Mudcat, where they remain essentially anonymous, they feel free to unleash a part of their personality that they know would get them into trouble "in real life," is a pretty sure indication of the kind of things that go on in their inner life.

Well, I sincerely hope he has a good visit with his son, and I hope he has a very enjoyable—and enlightening—trip. A Greek philosopher, I can't recall who right now, once said that he could best assess a person's education and knowledge, not by where he took his schooling, but by how widely he had traveled. I said to Martin that I would be most interested to hear what he has to say about his impressions of Europe. I have talked to many friends who have traveled in Europe (would that I were able to myself), heard their many impressions, and learned a great deal from them. It's my hope that this trip will broaden Martin Gibson's outlook, sharpen his view of the real world, and perhaps mellow his attitudes a bit.

I don't hold much hope of that, but—we'll see. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,me
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 02:48 PM

"We are all Martin Gibsons."

No, we are not. Admittedly, we are not all at our best all the time, but I don't think most of us here are expressing opinions we wouldn't at least try to express face to face (sometimes it's hard to get a word in edge-wise face to face). As for creating alter-egos - what sensible adult could be bothered playing that onanistic little game? Yet MG himself admitted several posts up that that is what he has been doing ... Is that what the rest of you are doing? I'm not.

Furthermore, I haven't been following Mudcat long, but I have not seen Ron O. or anyone other than Mr MG make sarcastic remarks about the death of another poster's child. Of course, it was all in good fun.

And, no, hitting the Submit button is not going to make me feel particularly good - but I am human, and sometimes come across things that I am driven to respond to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 02:49 PM

Have a good journey Martin. Having a son in London should give you the opportunity to find something you like, which is not in the tourist guide. Enjoy your trip and get home safe and well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 02:56 PM

Guest(and your writing style makes it pretty obvious who you are) - when I say we are all Martin Gibsons I am referring to exactly the kind of post you made at 02:48pm. You said "As for creating alter-egos - what sensible adult could be bothered playing that onanistic little game?" - yet you did EXACTLY that with your post. You also said that you felt that people here would express the same opinion face to face - so how come you needed to go anonymous?

That was EXACTLY my point. Whoever Martin Gibson is, he or she acts out in ways that are abhorant to most of us. But there is something about making an anonymous post, even if we use a screen name, that emboldens us to say things we would normally think twice about saying.

I also think that sometimes Martin his our nerve button because he makes us face thoughts that we would rather avoid.

The more I watch this, the more I realize - it is exactly like road rage. The meekest individual becomes Conan the Barbarian when they feel they are in complete control of the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 03:25 PM

"Guest me" - I know that Martin made jokes about the death of my five day old son. I was very angry about that - and the majority of normal people would be. But the only one hurt by my anger is me. Martin doesn't give a shit. As a matter of fact he enjoys it. So the best thing we can do when Marin acts out is to refuse to give him an audience. Let's stop sinking to his level. Move on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 03:38 PM

This is his "happy guy going away thread."

Folks had the right idea showing some courtesy. Lets do that and lets move on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 08:30 PM

To be honest I never know what to make of the Martin Gibson phenomenon.

You tell me here that he insulted WesleyS about his kid dying - I never knew anything about that. I can see that he has given deep offence to a lot of people. And his reaction to criticism is bizarre.

Martin has been friendly and helpful to me on a couple of occasions.

One of the things that has me puzzled is that nobody knows who he is. I live in a country of 60 million people. if there is a folk musician I don't know - I bet I know somebody who either knows them , or has worked with them, or has worked with somebody who worked with them. why nobody knows this Martin guitar playing, country folk type player, serious about his religion, admirer of the Kingston trio, with a son studying abroad, etc in a place like Chicago beats me.

and if wishing someone a nice holiday makes me some kind of asshole - so be it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 08:45 PM

Mick
"My belief is that he probably started this thread to make the point that you will still be talking about him even though he has been gone, that you will still be talking about him when he gets back. He will laugh, and in his own twisted mind will derive satisfaction."

You are perfectly correct.

But....

that is only one side ...

If we huddle in the corner afraid to speak our minds while he is away, the psychotic personality also knows that he has 'won', because we are too afraid of him to go on with our normal behaviour. Remember with the true psychotic, they are always trying to control the actions of others for their own satisfaction, and ANY outcome can always be manipulated in their mind to 'prove' that they are 'in control'.

I unfortunately have had farr too much personal experience being on the losing end of malicious actions by several paranoid schizophrenics (and I was not aware that they were at the time!).

"You can't win, you can't break even, you can't even get out of the game!"

A brilliant song sung by a young Michael Jackson as the scarecrow with the crow chorus in the all black cast adaption of 'Wizard of Oz' - called "The Wiz".

"You can't win, you can't break even, you can't even get out of the game!"

Once you understand that fully as in the Zen Buddhist sort of 'enlightenment' - you understand clearly how to act to neutralise them, and live your life in (relative) peace - they then tend to find that 'you are no fun to play with', and mostly just try to ignore you, which of course, since that is THEIR game, you do not go along with.

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 08:59 PM

WLD...

"and if wishing someone a nice holiday makes me some kind of asshole - so be it. "

Just live your life mate! As I just said "You can't win, you can't break even, you can't even get out of the game!"

The only way is to live your life as you wish - if that means you want to say something nice to a publicly proven asshole because YOU are a nice person, go right ahead.

This is not criticism of you.

I accept his presence here in the same way that I accept 'grass is green' - I can't change it. When it grows too high for my comfort on the front lawn, I cut it down. When he thought I would make a good easy target, my response to him caused public remarks of the shock "we didn't think Robin would ever behave as nasty as that' type.

"Yea though I walk thru the valley of the shadow of evil, I fear no mean bastard, as thanks to all the careful nurturing I have received by mean psychotic bastards like you, I AM the meanest son of a bitch in the valley - when _I_ CHOOSE to be."

:-)


Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 09:40 PM

We still have a shot at eight days of peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 11:38 PM

Well, I dunno about all this prior history...and my first exposure to MG was on a Kingston Trio thread-an interest we obviously both share. I read, and read and kept reading (although I obviously missed some pretty awful stuff)...and I know lots of you have these axes to grind with the guy, and I'm not sayin' ya shouldn't! However lame, he was decent enough to me as a noob, and mostly we haven't crossed any swords so to speak. My point? I dunno. But it is amazing someone's absence is worthy of so much commentary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 01:53 AM

Click on his name you'll be able to see an index fo about 5800 posts. If you start at the oldest you'll quickly see what he thinks of the Mudcat and how he treats his fellow man. To say the least Anonny, he's exhausted his goodwill with most of us. Was he being nice to you to gather allies in his battle to bring down this forum? Is he actually in Europe or is he just lurking and laughing? Who knows? Who cares? He certainly has made himself a favorite topic of converstaion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 05:17 AM

"... serious about his religion, ......."

and making jokes about someone's dead child?

I think not!!

But as I said before, ignore him and he will starve to death (metaphorically speaking) - If he gets up your nose, don't respond.

He may not get sick of listing but Hey! If you don't feed his flame......!

G-P :-0


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,me
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 11:34 AM

Ron - "(and your writing style makes it pretty obvious who you are)" - that's fine; I'm not particularly trying to hide who I am; if I were, I would make it a point to change my writing style. However, if you are implying that we've met or have had some prior communication, as far as I know you're mistaken. Then again, if you recognize me from having posted elsewhere under a different name, you may well be correct, and I'm cool with that. But if you recognize me from one of my two or three obscure little publications, I'm truly flattered.

To the matter at hand. Using the established and popular convention of posting under a pseudonym is not necessarily the same as creating an alter ego in order to play psychological games with other people. Your previous post suggests that that is "EXACTLY" what I am doing; on the contrary, I feel that I am engaging in a conversation that is honest and straightforward both on my part and yours.

People post under pseudonyms for any number of valid or frivolous reasons. Some may be avoiding creditors or estranged partners. Others may be trying out the names they always wished their parents had given them. I have several reasons, the most compelling of which is what I think is a healthy wariness of lunatics. If we were talking face to face, I would probably be aware of who was listening in, and I would be able to guage their (and your) reactions, and if I sensed a threat of violence, temper my words accordingly, or split. And whatever I said would not be hanging in the air for all eternity for passersby to read. On the net it's a whole different story. I don't know who's reading this and what their mental state is. I don't want someone showing up at a gig and putting a bullet through my head because of some off-hand remark I might have made here five years before on the subject of George Bush or Morris dancing. I don't want your great-great-grandchildren suing my great-great-grandchildren for multi-generational trauma caused by our difference of opinion. Are such things likely to happen? No. My house isn't likely to get robbed either, but I make a habit of locking the door when I go out. I'm like that.

I do take your point that anonymity on the net can embolden people to say things they would not say otherwise, but on the other hand, I think there are things some people would say in private, face to face, that they would not say on the net, even anonymously. Works both ways. And undoubtedly there are more than enough instances of "road rage" here and elsewhere, but on the whole, it seems to me that most of these dubious characters cowering behind monikers are here simply to communicate their thoughts and feelings, and to learn from others, not to create alter egos and mess with people's heads.

By the way, is your name really Ron Olesko? How do I know that? I don't, but it's not important to me - I'm willing to take you at face value as a sincere person who apparently thinks I'm a hypocrite. Ah well; ya win some, ya lose some.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Willis
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 06:29 PM

Peace, harmony, lurv, affection, closeness, understandin', empurthy, what was it it said in that other thread? Shall we get some of that 'ere? or shall we be narsty to one another?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 11:21 PM

Which is more fun and entertaining?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 11:41 PM

"If he gets up your nose, don't respond"

But it's not their noses he likes to get up - 3 feet further south, mate...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Curious Amber
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 12:03 AM

"... serious about his religion, ......."

and making jokes about someone's dead child?

I think not!!

someone early on mentioned this. Was it deleted, or can someone point to a specific thread this happened in. I don't know this "Martin Gibson" but the quote above is really awful. When did this happen? And for Godssake WHY? Someone please explain if it isn't too painful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 01:48 AM

This post on this thread.

From: Wesley S - PM
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 03:25 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Another "Me"
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 02:07 AM

Martin Gibson actually said things about the dead child in several different threads. The most disturbing thing about him however, is that he seems to provide financial support for an organization that euphemistically advocates genocide as a solution to the "Palestinian" problem. Not someone I would wish to share a meal with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:37 AM

Learnt well from the Nazis, didn't he?

He's actually a BNP spy in the Jewish ghetto. In order to get in, he had to have the operation, but the doctor's hand slipped, which is why he is dickless.

His kid? Well any woman can initiate you into the the secret use of a turkey baster...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:59 AM

Thanksgiving comes but once a year!
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:03 AM

Thanks, 'Giok'!

Who really is Martin Gibson? I am sure some of you have given thought to the fact that he is named after two guitars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: LilyFestre
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:38 AM

Sheesh people, the man has left the country, it's a holiday...give it a rest already!!

Happy Easter!

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:39 AM

Why, no, Guest. We never noticed that. *G*


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:59 AM

He's in the UK now, how do you think that makes me feel?
G ☻


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,The Ghost of Winston Churchill
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 01:38 PM

I am disquieted by the fear that this visitation to our shores may set relations between our two great countries back by some two-hundred years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Curious Amber
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 03:46 PM

"Martin Gibson actually said things about the dead child in several different threads. The most disturbing thing about him however, is that he seems to provide financial support for an organization that euphemistically advocates genocide as a solution to the "Palestinian" problem. Not someone I would wish to share a meal with."

Sorry doesn't answer the question nor did the post above yours. I wanna READ and SEE this post where a person mocks/laughs at the death of a child. This is a very serious (TO ME) accusation. So, let's have it, or stop bringing it up. No defense of Mr. "Gibson"-but as they say put up or shut up. Thank you. If it's true then I would seriously wonder why this jerk is still permitted here. If it's not true, than you are slandering someone with apocryphal diatribe. I'll keep asking. Bet on it. You will not be rid of me. I have a stake in this as one who works with terminally ill children. 'nuff said. SO, let's have it ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 04:01 PM

Guest/Curious Amber, there's nothing stopping you from doing the research among the threads just as we would have to do. It's not that simple- after all, the thread was not titled with his phrase.

It was approximately four years back (my guess- I am notoriously bad at dates) Probably the quickest way to find it would be by looking at MG's posts from approximately that time frame. There are a number of ways to look at a person's posting history. Why I tend to do is go to the Quick Links at the top of the page, scroll down to Old Forum Search (or something like that) and putting the person's name in the window and saying Go.

It takes awhile before they all load and from then on it's a matter of opening and closing a thread until you find what you are looking for.

The man is a despicable creature. In my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 04:28 PM

Curious Amber,

If the threads still exist you're on your own. If you won't take the word of the father of the child and five or six people's word for it, I'm not going to spend half a day looking for a post that but Mudcat rules should have been deleted anyway.

If you want to know about the man's character or lack of it as the case may be. Just go to where he joins the forum and start reading.

Martin is still here because the steps that would take to get rid of him would destroy a lot of the openness of the forum. It would be letting the terrorist win. Ideally, the thing to do would be to marginalize him by not giving him the attention that he craves. But it seems there are always those more than willing to bicker with him. I have done so in the past, it looks like its Ron Davies turn to lead that effort nowadays. When Ron does stop confronting him, someone else will take over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 05:09 PM

GUEST,Curious Amber, I can provide a link to the thread, but the post itself has been deleted, as it should have been. But it was definitely there, and a lot of people saw it, including the moderator who deleted it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: podman
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 05:27 PM

I've noticed that Martin Gibson is much more than a 'member' of this or maybe other forums. He (or she) seems to draw out of other members the very qualities they claim to despise in him.

I've seen some pretty nasty posts from the Martin Gibson character, and fully as nasty posts by others in response. More recently, Martin Gibson has been pretty normal in his other posts. So I must conclude that many of the forum members here are taking on a lesson from the current American President and posting as a preventive reaction, i.e. first strike and trying to prejudice the newbies without bothering to provide things like proof, logic, etcettera.

I am also much less impressed by those who do not identify themselves or simply call themselfs 'GUEST'.

This does not mean that Martin Gibson is in the clear. But it does mean that he obviously has deep meaning for this website or the response to him would not be so plentyful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 05:47 PM

I think that the responses to MGs ruder posts is just exactly what you would expect them to be, as is the case with CH. It is human nature to respond in a like manner and no amount of psycho-babble will explain it away, or make Mudcatters seem any less normal then the rest of the world.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 06:02 PM

More recently, Martin Gibson has been pretty normal in his other posts.

And Adolf Hitler, I am told, was kind to dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 06:22 PM

Podman,

there are 5,000, FIVE THOUSAND abusive posts in the Archive from him and probably another 1,500-2,000 even worse posts which have been deleted.

That's proof enough for any reasonable person.

Another proof to a reasonable person might be that no one is saying that they know he does not say these things.

On another current thread, Our main moderator speaks of how much work it is deleting Martin's post.

The truth is out there.

If you say you want more than that, my guess is that you'd rather argue about it than know. If you are like most here, you will become quite disgusted with the man at some point. With your tendancy to question, you may first see his true colours in a vicious attack on yourself. Consider yourself forewarned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 06:45 PM

Podman, I think you got it in a nutshell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: LilyFestre
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 06:51 PM

Giok,

    If Martin was to find his way to your neighborhood, you could just give him one of those hugs of yours and I bet he'd turn into a pile of melted butter. :)

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 07:13 PM

Well said podman!   There are many people here who refuse to see that they have become Martin Gibson themselves. Read these posts, you will see it clear as day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 07:31 PM

Puhleaze! So anti racists are actually racists? And those who despise discrimination based on one's sexuality are secret homophobes? You do spout some shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 08:03 PM

Ron, you can't even say that about yourself.

But, for whatever reason, you seem to be a Martin Gibson apologist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 08:35 PM

"he obviously has deep meaning for this website or the response to him would not be so plentyful. "

When you finally extract a painful deep thorn, you may tell some of your friends and family about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 08:53 PM

"you seem to be a Martin Gibson apologist."

Not at all. You may try to cloud what I am saying with a smokescreen like that, but that is not at all what I have been saying. It is very clear if you take the time to read what I have been saying.

"So anti racists are actually racists? And those who despise discrimination based on one's sexuality are secret homophobes?"
Anti-racists would not shout racial epithets. Those who truly despise descrimination based on one's sexuality would not fight using the same slurs. That is what many of you are doing in response to Martin. Read your posts. When you react with the same venom that he dealt out, you are no different then he or she is. That is the hard reality that many of you are having trouble facing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 08:56 PM

Show us one racial or sexuality orientated slur against him on this or any other thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:04 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Foolestroupe - PM
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:37 AM

Learnt well from the Nazis, didn't he?

He's actually a BNP spy in the Jewish ghetto. In order to get in, he had to have the operation, but the doctor's hand slipped, which is why he is dickless.

His kid? Well any woman can initiate you into the the secret use of a turkey baster...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:06 PM

I agree with Guest 7:31.   

I've spent a couple of hours this afternoon rereading the MG's almost 6,000 threads. A good many of them I had not seen before, mostly because they were in threads that I had not opened before.

There were several surprises:

1. He loves music, however narrow his window is. I believe it because his posts about music are coherent and cohesive.

2. On several occasions he succeeded in being amusing, mostly in wordplay.

3. He is also sick. Kurt Vonnegut said something like: We are who we pretend to be so we must be careful of whom we pretend to be. Who he "pretends" to be bears scant resemblance to anyone just about any of us would choose to be.

So, no. We are not 'Martin Gibson'. Take a look at his spewing and I think you will agree.

My hope is that when he comes back, he will pretend to himself that Martin Gibson has left and under a new name he will start a new life on the Mudcat that presents his better side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:08 PM

Are you paying attention guest?   When did I ever say that anyone made a racial or sexually oriented slur against him? You, or some other troll, asked a hypothetical question and I gave you an answer.

What I said was , people have responded to Martin using the same venomous language and tactics that he or she uses. For all the complaining about him, adding to the pile of bile shows that some people are cut from the same cloth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:19 PM

For whatever else you all may say on the subject, none the less you continue to do exactly what it is that Martin wants you to do. What does that make you?

Martin throws out the chum, follows it with a lure, and you all bite. Martin goes away, but leaves a thread with a couple of well placed comments and on and on you all go. One of you, who has gone to GUEST mode to hide your identity, continues to rant on and on. I think the word for that is puppet.

Martin's posts have been vile and sick. And those who debate him, those who rise to the bait, you are responsible for his continuing to post.

I will monitor his, and your, posts. If they are vile, if they are attacks only, if a thread is the same as another thread, no matter who does it, I will delete them.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:39 PM

When someone spews streams of venomous bile at me personally, and shows no intention to stop, or any remorse for doing it, they demonstrate that they wish to treat me as a non-person without any human feelings. When it eventually reaches a point where I have had enough, I consider that person also is themsleves a similar type of non-person, and then allow my dark side to have its head in the style they showed to me, also without remorse. This continues until they apologise sincerely and I observe that their behaviour to everybody modifies - I don't always reign in Loki if they just leave me alone - they have crossed a social line.

"that some people are cut from the same cloth" - we all have that dark side deeply supressed within us: we just all normally attempt keep it under control in a civilised society. But for those who repeatedly (and without apology or obvious remorse) fail to extend ME the courtesy of treating me as they claim they would PREFER to be treated...

It now allows me to deal with malacious psychopaths (and I've survived several of them) without any pains or remorse or bad dreams that I might not be a 'nice person' (they have had their chance), and they always eventually find someone else less unpleasant to play with - thereby providing a valuable learning experience for them!

I do apologize to those sensitive souls who get surprised and distressed at my displayed behaviour, but since starting this behaviour, I am much happier internally, and much less stressed overall. And there never seems to be a shortage of such socio/psycho-paths.

It is also, I have noted, seperated by a fine line from the so called 'teasing among friends'... viz the Aussie game of calling your best friend 'bastard'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:42 PM

This is a discussion forum. If someone posts a point of view or opinion it is open to discussion. Whether that be for or against is irrelevant.

Sometimes you ignore him and other times you respond to him. So what gives you the right to tell others how to react.

Be in control of your own responses and leave others to make their own decisions. You aren't the puppet master.

Sure delete vicious attacks if you want. But opposition is healthy. Save your superiority for those who would rather wallow in the ramblings of the racist bigot that be on the recieving end of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Chachi the Baboon
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:48 PM

What is all this fuss about? Don't you dimwits know that Chongo Chimp is visiting Ontario, Canada??? Get your damn priorities straight fer chrissake!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:49 PM

'Be in control of your own responses'

Well said GUEST - I do - and I have now explaied WHY I respond the way I do and how it has improved MY self esteem and mental sanitation. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:51 PM

Fools you do exactly what you feel is right. I know I do. My post was for mick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:04 PM

It's not WHAT people say, other than just bashing someone, so much as the tactics. Let me ask some questions: why is this thread so long? What is the purpose of talking about one person so much? Who does it benefit, and how?

You don't have to like the guy, but this devotion of a whole thread or threads to bash him is giving him a huge amount of celebrity. It's also a Mudcat version of a lynch mob, and it makes me sick. I know you don't care what I feel, which is part of why it makes me sick. If you did care what readers thought, you might have a better impression of how your hate fests come across. It's not even about Martin Gibson. I don't care about him. It's about you, and what sort of person you are. Some people seem to think any behavior on their part is excusable if they hate somebody enough.

Martin's probably a lost cause. Those of you who are trying to justify your own bad behavior with someone else's, or claim that anybody who thinks you're acting petty and vindictive must be on Martin
Gibson's side are completely missing the point - likely in order to avoid taking responsibility for acting like stalkers or stone-throwing mob members. Your behavior is about YOU. If Martin Gibson 'made' you do it, then he's got way more control over you, and you're far easier to manipulate than I would have believed possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:13 PM

"in order to avoid taking responsibility"

I take full responsibility for acting like a total insensitive arsehole (and thoroughly enjoying it in those circumstances) in the circumstances I have described. In OTHER circumstances, should I go off the rails, I am not perfect and will eventually be remorseful and apologise.

I have discussed this at length with those more experienced professionally, and the response has been mostly along the lines of "If you are in control of what you are doing, and it keeps YOU out of a straight-jacket, or running around with a shotgun, then it seems a perfectly rational and reasonable way to behave".


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:14 PM

Keep in mind that this is just my opinion and my view may have no validity at all - other than to me:

Big Mick and Jeri- I have a great deal of respect for you both. However I think you both are being blind about your own reactions.

We - most of us - are talkinga about the man who calls himself Martin Gibson. You two are talking about us. Fine.

My contention is that you are scolding us for the same reason that we scold Martin - you too are not able to resist doing so.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:18 PM

My "If you are in control of what you are doing" previous - there was an omission.

Sorry, I meant to say "If you are in control of what you are doing, and accept responsibility for it... etc"


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:19 PM

"We are all Martin Gibsons."

Ron,

I'm taking a page from your book now, please don't get too offended, but that is by far the stupidest statement ever uttered in The MudCat Cafe.

There are very few people here who are as vulgar as Martin Gibson.
Very few are as racist.
Very few are as misogynistic as he.
None are as abusive.
Very few are as dull witted as he and impervious to reason and logic.
And I can't think of anyone with worse grammar and spelling who doesn't seem to be that way for a joke.
And there are only a couple of others who go on and on about cliques here and have vowed more than once to destroy this place.

No Ron

We are not all Martin Gibsons. The worst of us on our worst day are not as bad as Martin Gibson.

After him, The next three worst compined are not as bad a Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:20 PM

"We are all Martin Gibsons". Right. We are all Adolph Hitlers too? The liberal guilt around here has reached the sickening stage.

I'll take one from the personal responsibility section of the menu. What--this Mudcat Cafe has no such section? It might try starting one.

I've been urged to get a sense of humor about this. OK. And I've also been trying to decide the appropriate reaction to his absence. And I've come up with it. You can consider this the Martin Gibson Memorial Hijacked Thread. After all, who is well known as a hijacker of threads?

I hope you all read what "Martin" himself said about the "Love and Peace and Tolerance" thread--how realistic that idea is. And he can make his cynicism a self-fulfilling prophecy when he returns from his sensitivity training, crash course on sorting mail, or whatever he's doing.

Your defense of the creature which calls itself "Martin Gibson". "Martin Gibson" admits he vulgarly attacked Jack in a PM (I assume Jack had not first attacked him--may not be a good assumption--only Jack knows.)

Remember what he told Jack 9 Apr 2006 10:54 PM

Jack Off:

"I am not that fictitious. Some people know who I really am You see them agreeing with me and supporting me here all the time. They will protect my identity while I just keep telling pricks like you to eat sh-- and die" (of course he spells it out)

This is while he's being oh so reasonable on the thread.

No doubt this is the kind of sterling citizen you want on Mudcat. One who besides wishing a Mudcatter's child dead, mocking the handicapped, proving himself a vicious stupid bigot and attacking virtually everybody---is also unwilling to take responsibility for any of this. After all it's just an alter ego--not the real person, right?

Fine, if it's not a real person, it will do no harm to ban this alter ego--it won't be banning a real person.

I say again, the moderators have dropped the ball bigtime in doing absolutely nothing about the cesspool which "Martin" creates wherever he goes. By not pulling his cookie---permanently--they have created far more work--in the cesspool-- for themselves.

Just ignore him, you say. Tried that--about 3 weeks. Absolutely no change.

Added to which, all the time he is on Mudcat he is driving good people off it. Among others, he attacks the people who have done the most for our music--Jerry Rasmussen and Art Thieme, for instance. Art was attacked on the basis of not being Jewish enough for "Martin", who evidently claims to set the standard. I know a fair number of people who might disagree.

And where is Bob Deckman? It seems reasonable that "Martin" had something to do with his current absence.

And no doubt he is preventing other good people from coming on--who are deterred by the needlessly foul atmosphere he creates. Far worse than anybody else. Any argument there?


As Bill D and others have pointed out, words DO have meanings--and consequences.    Libel and slander do in fact exist--and laws against them. In fact "Martin" itself is not shy about threatening legal action.   It got right peeved when a poster mentioned pedophilia. But it's just a word, right? Wrong. So much for "Sticks and stones..."

Similarly,"Martin's" words have impact--even if it's just a game to the twisted person behind "Martin". It's time for the game to stop.

Let's be direct about this. It's rank slander to suggest that Max is "Martin".

Max is a wonderful guy who has set up a wonderful site.

"Martin" is doing its best to trash that site.

Consider "Martin"s list of topics (Friday?) which might call forth acrimony--including Bush, Walmart, religion and politics--as usual he (it) is being redundant--in every sense of the word--or perhaps somebody can explain why Bush is not part of politics.

Then the kicker--"anything else controversial"

"anything else controversial"--and therefore worthy of foul-mouthed stupid insult.

We have had on this list:

1) Pete Seeger--PETE SEEGER?
2) The Kingston Trio--anybody who didn't agree they were present at the Creation is WRONG WRONG WRONG
3) Kwanzaa--pretty foul racist remarks--should have been booted off just for those.
4) Gibson or Martin guitars--obviously no other guitars exist. And if you say they do I'll bash my Martins and Gibsons over your head until you give up.

3 of 4 of the these topics are directly music-related. Should have been calmly discussed--it's not exactly Iraq policy. But not with him. In every case, it summoned up vicious--and stupid--vitriol.

For every reasonable post, he has made 10 or more despicable ones. The balance is somewhat negative.

People, give your head a shake. "Martin" is the worst thing to happen to Mudcat at least since 2004--and richly deserves having his cookie yanked permanently--and if possible, banned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Janie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:20 PM

Jeri

HEAR HEAR!

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:55 PM

Like a fuckin' feeding frenzy here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:08 PM

There are people I respect here, and people I don't. The Minnesota Monster has jumped in and my response to her is "piss off".

Others I am extremely disappointed in. That is my view, and I don't care who likes it.

The fact remains that you are doing EXACTLY what Martin wants you to do.

This is the saddest moment of my time on the Mudcat. You have turned into a lynch mob. The sorry excuse for a person who calls himself Martin, and those like him, have won.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:08 PM

Jack the Sailor and Ron Davies - you are not paying attention to what myself and others have been trying to say.   We are not defending Martins actions or words, we are holding a mirror up and trying to show you that you are using the same tactics, often the same style of words, thread-baiting, first strike postings that you are up in arms about.   You claim Martin is "ruining" Mudcat, yet you fill up volumes of threads with similar assaults (style, not content) and see nothing wrong with that. Foolestroope is comfortable to say "I take full responsibility for acting like a total insensitive arsehole (and thoroughly enjoying it in those circumstances) in the circumstances I have described" yet the prevailing attitude is that everyone is appalled and looking for Martin Gibsons head on a platter. It is hypocritical and Jeri summed it up perfectly - you have become a Mudcat Lynch Mob.

I stand by my prior post - we are all Martin Gibsons, and sorry to disappoint Ron Davies but that is not liberal guilt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:42 PM

"Others I am extremely disappointed in. That is my view, and I don't care who likes it."

Yeah. Well, then, let me ask this:

WHY HAS THIS THREAD NOT BEEN CLOSED OR FUCKIN' DELETED?

There aws a thread that was less offensive in its nature that 'attacked' a moderator here. That was closed or deleted. So what fuckin' gives, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:43 PM

Mick: Those remarks were addressed to clones in general--not you in particular. I just figure it all fits someone's agenda. Sure as hell seems like it. FUCK this shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:48 PM

Good points Peace!

"Fuck this shit" .... ditto!

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,me
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:42 AM

um ... I think anything useful that can be said on this subject has been said, along with a lot that isn't so useful ... any chance we can all just drop this now and move on to other things?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 04:14 AM

Ron Olesko,

Hold up the mirror as much as you like, I won't see Martin Gibson in it. And no. I am not using the same tactics.I'm calmly talking about someone who is an irritant for many of us. Neither is Ron Davies or any one else. If you are familiar with Martin's history and saying this shame on you. If not, go back and read though his posts so that you'll know what you are saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,casual visitor.
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 05:18 AM

This puts me in mind of the 'Ole Wild West'. I guess we should jus take 'ole Martin Gibson' out and hang him from the highest tree we can find. Jus' lissen to yersels...and I s'pose yer all reckon yer is ornery folk. Jus' lissen to yersels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: skarpi
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 06:35 AM

Who is " Quest " ? why can´t you come out by name ? afraid with what?
you write a big words so you sure coult come out and say your
name ........ I think you are a SAD PERSON.

Other than this my dear friends, IGNORE EVERY POST THAT IS
MADE BY MARTIN GIBSON AND HIS SO CALLED QUEST WHO IS AFRAID TO COME OUT
UNDER HIS/HER NAME , IGNORE EVERY POST WHERE THOSE PERSONS ARE POSTING
IN .

This is the last message that I will put into this thread and it
does not matter what the respons are gonna be , I won´t take any part of any thread where thouse two are involved.

I have just had it...... Mudcat is about Music and matter realatede
to music not about fight between people.

All the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,12 stringstan
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:13 AM

even though I'm only a part time catter, I too am aware of the Martin Gibson Phenomenen. But this thread proves a point. He's not EVEN HERE and there's a whole load of bickering going on??? It's like the priest who is so appalled by the goings on in Brothels he keeps visiting them to re new his disgust. If you Don't like the chap, ignore him. I usually do, but he was brave enough and honest enough to inform possible terrorists where he'll be. Comprende??

hands up who opened this thread because Martin Gibsons name was in the thread title?
how many actually give a fuck that he is going to Europe?

I rest my case
12Ss


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: jacqui.c
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:30 AM

I'm waiting to hear Martin's views on the parts of Europe that he is visiting. I've done some travelling around a number of the countries and would be interested to hear what he thinks of them.

Other than that - I am staying out of the discussion here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:40 AM

I hope Martin is treated with kindness, courtesy and respect on his travels. That might make it more likely that those qualities will emerge here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:42 AM

Peace, why close the thread? Just use your willpower and stay away from it. You have helped Martin Gibson win.

Actually, from a bystander point of view, I thought he was nicer than you anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:44 AM

I sort of agree with the GUEST casual visitor (for a change) inasmuch as the attitude on this thread from people who I considerd knew better reflects the attitude of a lynching party rather than a forum for discussion and debate. How many of you consider yourselves better people than Martin Gibson. He is sure pushing some of your buttons and you are weak enough to let it send you out of your 'normal' thinking patterns. Come on guys....let's think about something else.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:25 AM

"Peace, why close the thread?"

Did you READ the thread, twit? How about close the thread for the following--

"There was [corrected] a thread that was less offensive in its nature that 'attacked' a moderator here. That was closed or deleted."


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:28 AM

Jack the Sailor - "Hold up the mirror as much as you like, I won't see Martin Gibson in it."

That speaks volumes. That is why this discussion is taking place.

"I am not using the same tactics.I'm calmly talking about someone who is an irritant for many of us. Neither is Ron Davies or any one else. If you are familiar with Martin's history and saying this shame on you."

Jack, you and Ron Davies are not the only person posting on Mudcat. I am not speaking directly at you and how you behave. My comments stand. I am familiar with Martin's history but that is not the issue at the moment, although you and others have been spinning it as such. The way people have been handling the issue is our complaint. You may not see it, but this mob is using the same tactics with different words.

Please read some of the other comments. I am not the only one that sees it, yet there only seems to be handful of you that have become the lynch mob.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:30 AM

"Don't tug on Superman's cape,
and you don't mess around with them!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

Agreed that his ABSENCE is a source of such. I thought I'd check in on the thread...and whoa. It's like waaaaaaaay long. I'm staying outta the "fight" to as I am pretty new and don't feel I have much to say about things I had nothing to do or any knowledge of. I spose you can call that burying my head in the sand or whatever. Also, when I first came here knowing NOTHING, I was favorably impressed as some of you knew and you all "warned" me...and ol' Bobert figured I was another creation of MG's. Well, I'm not.

I actually WAS interested that he was goin' to Europe in a detached kinda way. Maybe because of his Jewish roots he'll stop by the ruins of Auschwitz or Dachau and see what hatred in its worst most demonic form can lead to. I think actually STANDING on those ruins is different than reading ABOUT them, or watching old news footage on it, which is what most of us get. I've been "lucky" (seems like a poor choice of words) to see it first hand...and I left a different person than I came. Take that for what it's worth. When I wished him well on his trip and encouraged him to get in touch with his roots, that was a part of it. Now maybe he'd say he knows all about this kinda stuff-but that will be one point I'd be willing to debate with him: ya gotta be there, and you feel it. Hard to put into words.If he IS serious about music, he should understand: kinda like hearing a recording of a great concert, versus being in the audience at one (although that is a piss-poor analogy in THIS case, and I know it, so don't have a hissy).

Anyway, to me, this is the kind of negative energy I don't need, and like I said when I first joined up, I'm just not into fights or whatever. Call me naive, call me a dreamer. You're welcome to discount my 2 cents on this whatever y'all want.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:34 AM

I'm not part of the Offical Lynch Mob. I just want to hang Martin for my own personal reasons.


ooooo, er....


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:59 AM

"I'm not part of the Offical Lynch Mob. I just want to hang Martin for my own personal reasons."

Okay, you are a vigilante if that makes you feel better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:05 AM

Ron/Mick you are very fond of telling us how/what/when we should post. You have more in common with martin than anyone else here. As do the others who think like you. You can't accept others opposing opinions (if they oppose with your own.)

I find the sychophancy towards him a great deal more disturbing than any criticism of him. But I wouldn't dream of telling you not to post it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:20 AM

"Ron/Mick you are very fond of telling us how/what/when we should post. You have more in common with martin than anyone else here. As do the others who think like you. You can't accept others opposing opinions"

Again, you are using the same tactics that you blame Martin for. Instead of countering the points we make, you choose to attack us. You say that we do not accept others opposing opinions - but are you? Mick and I are not alone in what we are witnessing. Read this lengthy thread and you will see that.

I am not telling you what to post, I am asking you to think about it. I am writing my observations on what I see taking place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:12 AM

Well, danged. In my self righteous posts yesterday I forgot to ask myself beforehand how I was going to feel about it later. The fact is that it soured the rest of my day.

I still don't necessarily understand or agree with others' take on this but I am willing to grant that my take on it is not necessarily the wisest - judging by the taste on my tongue I wasn't wise at all.

My apologies to everyone for my ill nature. In the course of our lives we all meet many variants of characters. Some we love, some we shun. Some we try to understand, some we give up on. That's life- and that's good enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:23 AM

Ron yet again you have a problem with what others choose to post. I have countered your point. I have said that I am as free to post what I wish as you are.

The difference being I don't feel the need to ask you to stop and think about what you are doing. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am.

I have said that the sychophancy sickens me more than the criticism. We don't agree. You continue the sychophancy and let others continue the criticism.

Your and mick's opinion is no more valid than others. Yet you genuinely believe they are the only opinions worth reading.

Neither of you can control 'martin's' racism/mysogyny/homophobia. And you also can't control how others react to it. With the two of you on that horse it is beginning to sag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:29 AM

Thank you for making my point. I have given my opinion. You don't like it so you endlessly point it out. The opinion isn't the point with you, it is that I posted it. The "Minnesota Twins" don't really care about the issue, it is about the poster.

I reiterate. Martin lays out the bait, you all take it. Martin is one problem. I would have barred him long ago, but it ain't my call. The other problem, just as big, is the feed you all give him and his kind.

My opinion, "Twin". I am just as entitled as you are to post it. Don't like it? I don't care.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:39 AM

Ebbie, when you're angry, I still respect you, like you, and pay attention to you. I DID ask myself if I was doing the same thing as everyone else. I don't think I was anywhere close, but stepping back for a bit to think about what one is doing is a good thing. And I never did see you as part of the 'lynch mob'. Discussing's a whole lot different than lynching.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:40 AM

Sorry Guest, you are being way too sensitive. Yet again you fail to read what I am saying. No one is trying to control what you say or do. If you feel that someone expressing an opinion that differs from you is a problem, then you may need to get over yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:54 AM

Ron when you stop telling others how/when/what to respond to hell will freeze over. In the meantime carry on. You obviously need to for some bizaare reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:57 AM

Mick unlike you I wouldn't ban martin. I know that he makes you feel powerless and that bugs the life out of you.

I would rather he post his opinions and others be allowed to respond without your interference.

But that would take an awful lot of self control on your part.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:07 PM

I hope Martin is treated with kindness, courtesy and respect on his travels. That might make it more likely that those qualities will emerge here. -Alanabit

I agree 100 percent with this sentiment. I see that a lot of people here are treating Martin with courtesy and goodwill. I applaud them for it.

I see Ron Olesko acting as a surrogate for MG on this thread, I'll no longer be rising to his bait.

Ron Olesko. We are not all Martin Gibsons any more than we are all Big Mick's, Ron Oleskos or Alanabits. Saying that we are all "Martin Gibsons" was just an easy way for you to obliquely insult people and stir up an argument. Since you are now saying that you are familiar with his bad acts and still want to put everyone here on that level, I have no reason to talk to you and no interest in what you have to say. I'll be ignoring your posts from now on as I do Martins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:16 PM

Jeri, bless you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Janie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:37 PM

Random musings--

The Serenity Prayer

Grant me the Serenity to accept the things I can not change,
(I can't control what other people think, feel or do)
The Courage to change the things I can,
(I can change my own thoughts, feelings, behaviors)
And the Wisdom to know the difference.
(And the wisdom is the most difficult part to come by.)



One definition of insanity is 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'




If what you are doing works, do more of it.
If what you are doing doesn't work, stop doing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

Jack & Guest, it just isn't worth it. You will never "get it". When you stop spinning peoples words and attacking the individual, then maybe there will be room for discussion.

The mirror is always open.

Nuff said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,MN Mon :)
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:53 PM

Damn! I was goin' for the 200th post and I missed it.

But let me take this opportunity to weigh in and say I think the actual 200th post nailed the definition of Mudcat insanity, fer sure!

And let me just say that, after a cursory scroll down of this thread, you people are seriously fucked up.

From the day MG came to this place, I've ignored him. But then, I don't have any trouble ignoring trolls like the rest of you so obviously do. I guess that's what makes this place troll paradisio.

Oh, the only other sane comment I read in my cursory once over of this thread was the comment about the caliber of people who used to inhabit this place (Arlo Guthrie used to post here too), and the caliber of people who are the "Left Behind People" as a folkie neighbor of mine who lurks here now and then refers to you monkeys.

I wouldn't call this thread a lynch mob (though I am heartened that the clones perceive it as such--maybe they have good reason to feel so threatened). I'd call it an uprising against what has become the status quo since catspaw, Jeri, katlaughing, Big Mick and Joe Offer took on the job of forum moderation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:06 PM

That's right Ron. We will never get it....the 'get it' being your take on life, (of course, because as we are all painfully aware by now there is no other.)

Now save your energy for the sychophancy and leave others to express their opinions without you feeling the burning desire to tell us to 'stop and think.'

Control your own thoughts/emotions/responses and don't criticise us for ours. That last sentiment applies to anyone who percieves they possess the ability to tell others how to do it and when to do it.

The arrogance displayed by those who do the above severely limits their ability to look at anything objectively. Which is why they can never recognise it. Which is also why they are least equipped to moderate a forum.

Martin is a big boy ; he doesn't need banning or defending.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:11 PM

"the 'get it' being your take on life, (of course, because as we are all painfully aware by now there is no other.)"

Give it a rest Guest. You keep using the same tactic and it just doesn't work. When you can't come up with a legitimate response to someones point of view, you end up attacking the person making the statement. When you can't sway the opinion back into your way of thinking you launch a personal attack.   It looks like Martin Gibson is not alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:16 PM

I give you the last word on a silver platter as it means so much to you. Your contribution to this thread, along with mick's, has been to judge what others post. Please carry on the stirling job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:18 PM

see what I mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:32 PM

Ebbie said it:

". . . I forgot to ask myself beforehand [before she posted] how I was going to feel about it later. The fact is that it soured the rest of my day."

I live a few blocks from a fairly large in-city park. There are lots of crows that perch in the trees around here (they all play the oboe very badly–and they only know one note). Sometimes their squawking can get downright annoying. But what am I going to accomplish by yelling back at them, other than merely making myself look and feel foolish?

The only person I can censor is me.

And I've spent about fifteen minutes this morning reading the latest posts here and typing this. That's fifteen minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:34 PM

Ron Davies - You said that it is rank slander to suggest that Max is Martin. Since I was the one that asked the question, I think it is my right to defend it. Slander of Max was not my intention. Since I had never met Max and because he allows Martin to continue his "racism/mysogyny/homophobia", I thought it might be possible that they were one in the same. Considering the amount of controversy Martin creates, it is not unreasonable to wonder if Max might have developed an alter ego to enhance the number of hits to this site. From all accounts, they are not the same person and I apologize to Max for entertaining the thought.

Big Mick and Ron Olesko - There is not one comment on this thread that is racist, sexist or homophobic. I don't see how you can equate any of the postings on this thread to Martin's posts. Arguing or insulting someone I can overlook, but when someone expresses their opinions of others in a destructive manner, I have two choices; ignore it or speak up.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. You can't blame someone for fighting fire with fire when nothing else seems to work. I have been guilty of doing just that, after I have been attacked by Martin. Most of his comments about me have been completely 'out of the blue" and once in awhile I get fed up with it.

If you are one of Martin's fans, bully for you. Keep supporting him and wishing him well and it only confirms his point of view. Obviously many of you support Martin's right to free speech. I don't think he has a right to slander me or anyone else. His freedom ends where mine begins.

You are no better than the little cowards who stand around cheering as he bullies others. If Martin didn't have your support, he would not have so much power. Lets face, many of you enjoy the fact that Martin voices feelings that you are too timid to express. I feel nothing but disgust for the ugly character of Martin Gibson and disrespect for those of you who defend him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:40 PM

Do you need to be censored?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 02:39 PM

wow! well done martin, your trip to europe is right up there with errol flynn's willy........ and general custer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Ghost
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 02:56 PM

If Martin does reveal his real identity then maybe I know a man who can solve the problem....

He would deserve it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 04:31 PM

And you think you're better than him!? I think you're trying to prove my point about those who seem to think hatred excuses anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 05:25 PM

Strange the mind set of people who think they have points that need proving? Hatred a very strong word too. Hhhmm very predictable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 08:59 PM

"Okay, you are a vigilante if that makes you feel better. "

Nope! Just a highly provoked cold blooded murderer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:09 PM

Don't you think it would be better if you kept some of your "outside the Mudcat" hobbies private Foolestroupe..**BG**
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:05 PM

Guest (Ghost)--you ain't helpin'--one bit. No threats are necessary or desirable. Just let "Martin" return peacefully to his Chicago mailroom or Burger King----but cookieless.




Martin"s record speaks for itself. Any of his (its) defenders should make themselves familiar with the whole record before sounding off. They now show clear signs of ignorance on that score.

Disagreement, even heated and aggressive argument, is fine. Stupid vulgar vitriol is not. And he's a one-trick pony--that's his stock in trade.

But the worst aspect of it is that he takes no responsibility for any of it--it's just a game to the twisted person behind "Martin Gibson"

It's time for the game to end.

If his (its) game is stopped--- permanently--, Mudcat's tone will improve drastically---just by that one action.

If not, it will never improve.

I have also received support for this view from people who do not feel at liberty to register their opinions personally.

This is not a "lynch mob" How can you lynch something which doesn't exist? "--and we have been assured by the person behind "Martin" that "Martin" is just a persona--just a game, just a means to yank chains. Which is of course a delightfully easy way to avoid all responsibility for what "Martin" says.

It's just a persona--not a person. Fine. So no harm done--and a lot of good--if it is restricted, blocked or banned.

When the sick person behind "Martin" starts taking responsibility for what the persona says, you can start talking about "lynch mob". Don't hold your breath.

If stupid, vulgar, misogynistic attacks, ridiculous homophobia, obsession with scatalogical language and female hygiene, Know-Nothingism in the extreme, and seeeing anti-Semitism in every criticism---all blurted out by a feeble excuse for a person who takes no responsibility for any of the above---are all fine with you, then congratulations--- that's what you have in "Martin Gibson".

And it will never change. Hope you enjoy it.

Anybody, a new person or even a child, should be able to pull up Mudcat without having to wade through all the filth "Martin" spews. At this point, this is impossible.




The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Sound familiar?

"Martin" is not evil on a cosmic scale--say, starting a war for no good reason--to pick a purely theoretical example. He (it) is just evil on a petty stupid level.

If it doesn't bother you, that says it all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:10 PM

Interesting you mention children. Martin is the one reason I don't encourage my kids to view this forum. And I think that suits the apologists mighty fine. The last thing they actually want is new blood here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:15 PM

Cue: Deliverance Theme...:)

Ron, do you see Dead people or do you just talk to them...? smile
How are you Mr. Davies?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:22 PM

Alba--my first statement was to Guest (Ghost)--we need no personal threats against "Gibson"--that will just confirm his paranoia. We just need somebody reining him in on Mudcat---permanently.   Let him go back peacefully to a Chicago bathroom--- and spew all he wants to the 4 walls there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:24 PM

I was Talking about your post to the Ghost Ron...:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,G
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 07:23 AM

Why all this venom towards a man who is named after two guitars?

I am of the opinion that he has dropped much bait and most have taken it "hook, line and sinker".

Have you ever contemplated a 'put on'? And when has vile countered vile?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 08:53 AM

It's not impossible (if you don't want to just block his IPs - something easily and regularly done!) to write a script that runs permanently and checks every new post to see if it is started by "GUEST Martin Gibson" and autdeletes them as well as blocking the member name - he will have to have a new name - and that seems to be one of the most essential things for his sociopathic/psychotic delusions: having a name of his choice. He will have to build a new persona from scratch, and then that can be trashed too if he claims he is one and the same. And it just won't be the same game with a different name!

As for ascribing his persona to any existing real person here at Mudcat, why do people keep on doing that? The Sir Conan Doyle Rule "When you have eliminated everything impossible, what is left, no matter how improbable it seems, must be the answer" eventually suggests itself to every intelligent frustrated mind by a process of elimination, especially if it really is a 'put on'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 08:57 AM

"And when has vile countered vile? "

MAD - during the Cold War.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 09:37 AM

I think this thread proves itself, i.e. the reaction to MG is far far greater than anything MG himself posts. It's like an extreme reaction to the tuberculin tine test. When the body already has TB the reaction is extreme. MG pulls out a lot of the (not so) repressed poison pens.

As for abuse heaped on him, consider the post he began by announcing he was leaving Mudcat forever. It went on and on and on (and on) with no further input from him. This made his point more eloquently than anything he could have said.

Which leads me to the thought: "How can we miss Martin Gibson when he won't go away?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 09:56 AM

Catch 22.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:27 AM

Well said robomatic. I agree fully.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:32 AM

I think that when he gets back on, what was it the 22nd? He's going to laugh his socks off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:36 AM

He most definately will ... and who could blame him if he does.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:57 AM

I think he has gone into the tardis and will come back speaking like Dick Van Dyke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 08:00 PM

"the reaction to MG is far far greater than anything MG himself posts."

Liek a nuclear blast - and you don't blame the countryside for the resulant fallout.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 10:30 PM

This thread has said much about the people here. Martin, I think you are a winner compared to most here. Does anyone participating in this morass and in MG's absence have any shame?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 03:00 AM

Perhaps however you may view other posters - it is not really setting a very good example to make any named fellow poster the subject of public conversations about them?

In truth such threads do not say much about them or their possible motives but it does say a lot about those who indulge in expressing such personal judgements in public about their fellow posters.

And in future when you find the next subject for public discussion is you - there will be little justification for you to be upset at this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:36 AM

I agree totally. The criticisms and attacks on this thread would appear to give away more about the posters than the person attacked.
Some of the posts from certain people have been unexpected. Can we get back to something like the mudcat 'norm' now (whatever that is).
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 09:44 AM

It's sad that the people who's sensitivities are being lambasted by this thread can sit silently when martin is attacking a fellow member.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,2
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 10:37 AM

Guest 9:44, you either have selective memory or choose to forget. When Martin is out of line we all get on his case. His comments are deleted when necessary. This thread, for whatever reason, has been allowed to stay afloat. Wake up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,,3
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:11 AM

"Wake up!"

I'd say go to sleep and let this thread fade away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 10:58 PM

Fascinating to see all the people who think it's just fine that Mudcat has a racist, homophobic, vulgar Know-Nothing semi-literate (persona, of course--it's all a big joke--right?)--as one of its most prominent citizens. It's just great that "Martin" wishes the death of a Mudcatter's child, attacks Art Thieme for not being Jewish enough for Martin's discriminating taste, rails vulgarly against Kwanzaa, mocks a person in a wheelchair, and so on--right?   Really hilarious.

It says worlds about everyone who likes that stuff--just loves the joke, evidently. They must be big Jerry Springer fans too. And Cheney-style "dove hunts", no doubt.

It's hard to figure out who's more twisted--"Martin" or his fans. It's a hard-fought contest.
And of course it doesn't speak well for the moderators that they only make desultory- (there's one for you to look up, "Martin") -attempts once in a while to bring "Martin" under control, while shying away from any definite steps that would in fact do just that. Thereby they of course make far more work for themselves--needlessly.

Go figger.

Panis et circenses--though "Martin" would think the first word has an "e".

There's nothing wrong with good ol' Anglo-Saxon 4 letter words--in their place.   Their place is not in personal attacks. If "Martin" wanted to know what the proper place was, he need only consult Spaw. It seems likely, however, that "Martin" has no intention of using them as Spaw does.

Saying "don't respond" is a classic worthless answer. We've been down this road before.

1) You would need to get every poster on Mudcat to comply--including all Guests. Not likely.
2) You are thereby surrendering to evil. As I mentioned earlier--not cosmic evil, just stupid petty evil.
3) That sort of suggestion indicates a complete abdication of responsibility by the moderators.


And, after all, as the sick person behind "Martin" has told us often, "Martin" is not a person, just a persona. When that person starts taking responsibility for what his mouthpiece is saying, "Martin" will have some justification for existence on Mudcat.

Don't hold your breath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: podman
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 12:09 AM

Ron:

Martin Gibson certainly speaks to YOU! You are characterizing his 'fans' just as you accuse him of characterizing others. But soyez contente! Don't resist him, welcome him in. all will be clear...
All is love with Martin!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:20 AM

Perhaps however you may view other posters - it is not really setting a very good example to make any named fellow poster the subject of public conversations about them?

For then you lose any moral high ground and bring yourself down to the level of the posters you are encouraging public conversations about.

When everyone is encouraged by the example set to make personal judgments about you - these all tend to simply wash over you any way - take it from me..........

Now if I or any other easy target on our forum were to be simply ignored - things would be very different - but for some perhaps - this would not be quite so much fun?

Why not try it and see?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:31 AM

"Now if I or any other easy target on our forum were to be simply ignored - things would be very different - but for some perhaps - this would not be quite so much fun?

Why not try it and see? "

... and it will work just as effectively as The Roman Catholic Church telling people to stop having sex...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:36 AM

... or masturbating, come to think of it - if you'll pardon the expression!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 03:07 AM

Why not just give it a try - ignoring such things I mean?

It may work - and we do all know with rockbottom certainty that the course does not.

That just turns us all into W*****S.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 03:33 AM

Non posting of judgements week

Whatever you may think of the named fellow poster who is the subject of this thread perhaps that can be put aside for one moment?

Perhaps it can be accepted that it is what many consider to be the often baffling and inconsistent approach to this type of poster and their postings that is 'officially' taken - that is really at the heart of all this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 07:05 AM

After reviewing the posts of some here, not all, I am of the opinion that having a 'scape goat' might be good therapy for you. Hopefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,PMS
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 03:21 PM

Well ya know without old Martin Gibson y'all would have nothing to discuss it seems. Is he exulting in this? I'm sure he is. You all are making his day, week, month maybe year. Thing is he can post whatever crap he wants and you all eat it up like beef stroganov on a plate. Mods won't ban him; you all love this guy I don't care what you say. So I hear he like bugged out and resigned a while back? So what's with that eh? Seems he like resurrected himself and the disciples are all over the thread spreading the good news. Martin's Back!! Hoo Hah.

Buncha hyprocrites I say. Marty is no prize-but neither are most of you. You'd all die and curl up if you didn't have your favorite Whipping Boy: one Martin Gibson. He's probably over there in Canada or England reading all this shit and getting the biggest hard on in his life over it. Keep stroking boys and girls. Whadda joke eh? Seems the guy rules this place which is why I'D NEVER join it. You willingly permit a cancer like him to settle in, grow, and eventually kill all of you. Good luck with the laser surgery and chemo. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 03:34 PM

Tell Martin we'll keep the home fires burning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:34 PM

Geeze it's been dull around here, I wonder when he's getting back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 06:04 PM

As soon as he's paid the electric bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 07:14 PM

"Well ya know without old Martin Gibson y'all would have nothing to discuss it seems." pms Guest

Ya know, years ago my brother worked in a mental institution. One of the inmates walked around all day silently peering into each corner. Another inmate followed him around all day railing and ranting at the first guy's stupidity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:02 PM

"Small things amuse small minds, while smaller minds look on"


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:34 PM

LOL! I take it he has not returned as yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:43 PM

We're holding the fort for him, till he can return and hold his own!

er, well, ..... hmmmmm...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:46 PM

I MEANT to say "We're holding the fort for him, till he can return and hold IT on his own!"

um, no, wait on...


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:49 PM

You meant to say "hold on", didn't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:57 PM

Depends on what is being held...





Thank you Little Hawk for helping me hijack this thread!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:41 PM

Podman et al.--

It would be good if you would familiarize yourselves with "Martin"s entire record before sounding off. Every incident I have cited is true. If that, particularly mocking the death of the Mudcatter's child-- is what turns you on, then that says it all.

As I've said before, I'm not the only one who feels it's time for "Martin"s antics to cease. Others have contacted me to support this. The revulsion against his trashing of Mudcat runs deep.

It's time for him to go back to his favorite Chicago bathroom--cookieless, at least--and spew to his heart's content there--just not on Mudcat. If you enjoy his performances, perhaps you'd care to join him there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:28 PM

But did he ever return?
No, he never returned,
And his fate is still unlearned.
He may cringe forever
From the gays of Europe,
He's the creep who never returned!


Kingston Trio, The Dark Cellar Series, 1956


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:53 PM

We still have a chance of three days of peace! Come on folks! No more talk of he who shall not be named!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 02:00 PM

Some of you appear to really miss Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 02:03 PM

"We still have a chance of three days of peace! Come on folks! No more talk of he who shall not be named!"

That's pretty funny coming from the guy that started threads about Martin Gibson as "Martin Watch".


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:37 PM

Damn! The thread has been hijacked back!

We shall fight them on the Mudcat thread, we shall fight them in the, er, HTML code, um, we shall fight them in the ah, IP lists... er, what the hell, let's just fight them in the pub instead!


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,We Have All Been Here Before
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 04:52 PM

So Martin, have you managed to save Scotland this trip?

I refreshed that old thread, but apparently our Saintly Mudcat Moderators saw fit to bury it again. I am not sure under which of Shambles' categories such stellar moderating would fall, but I'm sure it was done For Our Own Good.

God only knows what would happen to the hapless Mudcat users, should they have been allowed to read a thread dragged out of Mudcat crypt.

I'm sure everyone feels safer for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 04:59 PM

No, I did not go to Scotland. Mudcat Moderators are quite biased it seems. That's why many do not respect them. You just can't have moderators that are biased and have friends who participate.

Shambles is right on the money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:50 PM

Martin...

I would appreciate if you would please, please stop bringing up the Death of Wesley's Child.
It is Cruel, Callous and in my opinion a very sick way to think.
I rarely say anything to you as I figure that you are what you are and you work at it but on this subject I find your attitude, frankly, sickening.
You know nothing of the circumstances surrounding that poor Child's passing and the grief it has brought.
You also certainly do not know Wesley.
A truly lovely person.

Is there a possiblity that you would consider apologizing for the pain you cause when you write the things you do about Wesley and the Family's loss? When you make wild statements that infer that this poor family were to blame for the Death of a lovely wee baby!

Also Martin. Ron Davies...you should meet Ron. Another great Person. Really. In fact it would be to your benefit if you would meet a lot of the people you seem to hate. I honestly believe you would find that your venom would vanish very quickly.
You always say you are simply giving back what you get Martin, but I don't see it like that at all. You push and push and push and then you get what you want. A Thread like this waiting for you, then you have a great reason to come in and bash away.
I know it is pointless writing this really.

I hope your Trip to Europe was fun with your Son. I know you didn't spend very much time in the Cities you were visiting which makes it very hard to get a true picture of the Culture and the People but still, I am sure you looked for the positive, as your time was so limited.

I wish I could say something else to close this post but really all I feel is very sad that you have come back and posted as you did.
That's the Truth, not a lecture, just how I feel.
You no doubt will blow off what I have said, or some nameless Guest will do it for you but I really wanted to say this and I call you Martin because.... I don't know your real name.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:55 PM

Alba that was pretty good until you had to take a pointless swipe at guests. Open your eyes. Most of martins backers are named members.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 08:03 PM

I have to say that not all Guests are lousy that visit here Guest 07:55 PM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 07:19 AM

Thanks for responding Martin.
Unfortunately your response doesn't really help me at all and I am still at a loss as to your Search and Destroy Mission here towards a good number of people on the Mudcat and I will very likely remain that way but anyway, we have both aired our opinion.

I didn't realise you were still in Europe when I posted last night.
I hope your Flight Home was pleasant.

Again I find it difficult to end my post so the I will use the same word again that was my feeling last night and is still my feeling this fine Spring morning.
Sadly,
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:22 PM

How is it that you are able to sign is as Martin Gibson and not Guest, Martin Gibson? I thought you left your computer at home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:44 PM

When Martin is posting in an appropriate way, I have no problem with him. But his attempt to now alibi what he has done in the past is revisionist history. The fact is he came here with a chip on his shoulder towards "pseudo intellectuals" and people whose views are on the left side of the spectrum. I don't have a lick of problem with conservatives who vigorously respond to the discussion from their perspective. When those attacks are vicious personal smears lacking completely in content, and designed to hurt others, then I have a problem. Martin's attempt to rehabilitate his past image is commendable as long as it sticks to moving ahead with promoting his views with respect to the views of others. There is nothing he can do to change what he has said in the past, and at times it has been despicable. Those who defend him are johnny come latelies who weren't here and aren't really aware of how coarse he was, or the same folks that would do anything to attack what they perceive as the "ruling elite" of Mudcats.

I have, at times, agreed with Martin's position on things like Israel and anti semitism. Given the fact that it is the position here not to block cookies and deny membership, it seems to me that he will be with us for a long while. As long as his attacks are issue oriented, as opposed to personal, I feel it is appropriate to have discourse and try to learn from one another. When he posts as he has above, then a discussion is a good thing.

But ya can't revise history, bub, and you have been a mean fella. No amount of "rewrite" will change that. Let's see how it goes moving forward.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 04:10 PM

Alright, in response to several PM's from people I have great respect for, let me make it clear.

Martin's comments about Wesley were reprehensible and beyond the scope of what anyone should be expected to forgive. He can attempt to rewrite the history on them all he likes, but it is what it is. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. What he said went beyond vile. One of the PM's I received said that his post of 5:38 AM should be deleted out of respect for Wesley. I could agree with that if I had requests to delete others who brought up Wesley. You see, it isn't Martin who keeps bringing this up, "picking the scab" as it were. I agree that we need to quit reminding the family of this tragedy. If you want to let someone know about this issue, do it in a PM with a link. That way we are not bringing it all up to Wes again. It is enough to point out that MG has said some horrible things. We all know that. He is not going away. We know that. I suggest not rising to his bait when he seeks to cause a reaction. I also suggest just engaging in debate when that is his intent. If there is a personal attack, which is not the same as disagreeing vehemently with you position, Joe or one of the clones will take care of that.

With regard to his comments about anti semitism, he is as entitled to his view as anyone else is. I have had two requests to delete his postings as personal attacks, but when I read them they were simply attacks on the views of others. We call that debate, folks, and as such is not to be curtailed or deleted. If he had used personal attacks within the scope of the post, either the whole post would have been deleted or at least the gratuitous vulgarity. This is a standard I will apply to all.

We aren't perfect, nor is the science of trying to moderate this place. As our friend Joe points out, we are not going to get all bound up in a legalistic mess here. We are going to try and use good sense, and follow some general guidelines in an effort to maintain the essence of this village we call Mudcat. We will miss some things, and you may feel free to PM those of us whose ID's are known and point things out. But we do this in our spare time, and my schedule means that I am on sporadically at best. Also, we do not inhabit all threads, so things will be missed there as well.

I will respond to the folks that sent me a PM as well, but I thought I would give a general response now.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:01 PM

Dear Martin
Don't forget the offer to visit me in Balham. Please don't let Teribus put you off the place, it's brilliant. Really hope the trip is going well.
Best wishes
Ralph


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:06 PM

My word, some threads do grow legs and keep running forever.

Just looked in to see how it was doing, and saw Martin's last post. A touch of open-mindedness there, pleased to see. Almost mellow - I have seen a lot of good things in Europe... I see the American influence every where and I understand why there is resentment toward it. I also see why there is positive American impact. Our music is on your radios... (Though unfortunately not your best music, much of the time, which I understand is true over in the States as well.)

Anyway I'm pleased it sounds as if he had a good time.
...........................................

Basic life rules for disputes: Just because someone disagrees with us is no reason to hate and despise them (and vice versa)
Just because we hate and despise them, even, that is no good reason to insult them (and vice versa).
Just because someone insults us, even, that is no good reason to copy them (and of course, vice versa - it's always vice versa in these things).


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:35 PM

No one person is any better or worse than another.....if you think you are either then YOU have a problem. If you think SOMEONE else is either then you have a problem. If they tell you you are then you have a problem. So who is better or worse than you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:41 PM

Here's the deal Mick.

If it is wrong to say those things. If it is vile and all that. It shouldn't be on this thread. If it was wrong to bring it up in the first place, delete that too and it will be gone.

There is nothing inherently sacred about expressing an opinion. If I believe someone is an asshole and tell them so, they are still an asshole. I may want to say that someone is an Asshole, but I know that when if do then a reasonable moderator would fairly consider that to be an insult. If Martin wants to toss around labels like "antisemite" and halucinate that someone is "a man tormented with guilt" then whether he believs it or not, it is still a verbal attack.

You moderators seem to be setting a double standard here. Martin can say almost anything he wants, until someone, anyone responds, then he can say exactly what he wants. Well that's nuts and it is exactly what NOT to do if you want peace here and if you want Martin to decrease the attacks.

The problem is not Martin Gibson. The problem is those who enable him and feed his mental illness. He has said dozens of things here that go way beyond the bounds of joking, way beyond the bounds of decency. You are either for his racism, mysogeny and outright cruelty or you are against it. If you agree with him at all when he attacks people, he takes it as an endorsement of his "persona" as well he should. Its as simple as that.

As long as Martin is here, people are going to point out who he is and what he has said. Some will do it insultingly, some will do so calmly and clearly as I have just done. You should be telling HIM not to rise to the bait, not everyone else and when he does rise to the bait, you should moderate HIM.

Mick, If you aren't prepared to accept that, then you are in for a long rough ride as a moderator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:44 PM

No one person is any better or worse than another.....if you think you are either then YOU have a problem.

I guess have a problem then. I think Mother Theresa was better than Hitler.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 06:55 PM

What I was trying to ask Jack is about "Where do YOU fit in?" Not asking for your judgements on other people which are based on what you have been fed by the press and possibly inaccurate history. Besides, who are you to judge anybody...or me...or the next man/woman?


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 07:09 PM

No one is equipped to judge anyone else. They can judge the person's actions, their attitude, their behaviour, but they can't judge the person.

This doesn't mean, however, that they can't dislike the person! They most certainly can do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:59 PM

If you can't judge a person, but you can judge their actions, attitudes and behaviours, what part of them aren't you judging?
    OK, so the discussion of Martin Gibson has gone on long enough. If you wish to discuss his trip to Europe with him in a more positive way, do it in his most recent thread (click). This thread has become an extended personal attack, so it's closed.
    -Joe Offer-


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