|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 14 Dec 07 - 04:47 PM well you wouldn't want a straight pow, would you? |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Dec 07 - 05:22 PM Yeah Wee.....I want to give you a straight pow with my left and a followup cross pow with my right........................ Degsy, I'm sure mentioning Kelly is okay but next time mention the 49,361 interpreters on this thread and of course I should get a special mention for contributing all of that Crimean War history regarding the Curly Pow Warriors and the Dainty Davey Division. Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Degsy Date: 14 Dec 07 - 05:57 PM Spaw, You are a true wordsmith and worthy of high praise for an interpretation that is probably every bit as accurate as most of those before it and after it. Several interpreters with obvious Scottish credentials have said categorically it is head or heid and so be it. Nuff said. Except to say that I now also have a vision of wench rubbing butter on a dandy's scalded tallywhacker (cheers Sinsull) to contend with when singing what was my favourite song. Thanks for the giggles. Laughter is the best medicine. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 14 Dec 07 - 11:08 PM Spaw does not have crabs. He lives nowhere near the sea. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,crazy little woman Date: 15 Dec 07 - 01:29 PM Poor spaw. He must have read my post above. 'if you have ever read the fiction of P.G. Wodehouse, you know that when a man slips into a bedroom at night, he is bound to knock over a table covered with china dogs or to step on a cat's tail. This is precisely what the Rev. Williamson did. He collided with a bunch of tirly-whirlies (knicknacks), and they o'd. (Went over.) Bertie Wooster would tell you that it happens every time.' ======= Let's face it, Spaw is a gallant and faithful man, but he is never going to be a Bertie Wooster. Nobody is ever going to invite him for a long weekend at a stately home. He will never have a Jeeves to do all his laundry and bring him a cup of tea in bed, to be followed by bacon, eggs and toast. Never will he go to a jazz club and swing a swift shoe till the wee hours. Wearing a tux. So what does Spaw do? Takes it out on Dainty Davy. I ask you! |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Guest:: Lady Constance Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:37 PM Of course according to some people the Covenanters were just another bunch of terrorists. Language is a wonderful thing, can mean such a lot in one word. Ever heard of euphemism? But why should sex stop it being a beautiful love song? What's wrong with sex? If I love a man I can get quite as romantic and sentimental about his genital region as about his head. The alternate history of the Crimea gave me a good laugh, thanks. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 27 Mar 08 - 10:00 PM Oh Goodie. This is about to degenerate into "Who has the cutest name for his/her partner's nether regions. I read of one couple who called her breasts and privy parts Flopsie, Mopsie and Cottontail. Actually some guy wrote a book after collecting a few thousand of similar euphonisms. Ah Leeze me on your cottontail, Dainty Davey Dainty Davey. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Davy Date: 17 May 08 - 11:49 AM Here is a modern version hinting at what the words might have meant. http://whytemarket.com/id29.html |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: help with translation From: GUEST,guest: angeleyes Date: 07 Oct 08 - 08:48 PM I hope some one is still looking at this thread and can help me. I understand every line but one. Maybe i'm just lame but would some one translate "and WEEL I WAT he was worth his room" for me, PLEASE. Thanks |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Burns lives Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:58 PM The most modern version can be heard here: www.myspace.com/whytemarket |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 06 Nov 08 - 11:37 PM I think it meant the W(H)EEL came off his cannon in the Crimean War. (See earlier post)....The WAT is an acronym used back then meaning Weapon of Awesome Terror which was a very particular type of cannon which shot both cannonballs and petrified horseshit in equal proportions. Horses back in those days were thought to run faster and longer after a good crap so shit was in good supply. The fact that the horses had not relieved their bowels has historically been seen as one of the major causal elements of failure in the charge of the Light Brigade (again, see earlier post) Always happy to help out on the infamous damned Dainty Davey thread. Now go away from this thread and enjoy some other part of the wondrous Mudcat Cafe......a fine place to be! Enjoy all the many things it has to offer but don't come back here again or I'll have to hurt you.............. Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: Effsee Date: 06 Nov 08 - 11:41 PM Angeleyes...""and WEEL I WAT he was worth his room" ... The translation would be... " And well I thought him worthy of his room". |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: katlaughing Date: 07 Nov 08 - 12:06 AM Well, it's been a long time since I've had to clean up the litter box, Spaw! (Been kinda missing it, but I hope ya dinna scare awa' puir angeleyes!**bg**) luvyaanywaykat |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 23 Jan 09 - 04:21 PM Poor little angeleyes never came back. But this thread will never die. On this rock I stand; I shall not be moved. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: John MacKenzie Date: 23 Jan 09 - 04:22 PM You been at that wine Micca left behind, Mary? |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:02 PM I think her nuns have been attacking by night........... Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Stoney Date: 28 Feb 09 - 08:37 AM Being of a naval background, my mind naturally performed a gestalt interpretation of the line, "So, lease/leeze me on your curly pow", which became, "So ease me on your curly plow". Ireland was primarily an agricultural nation, so the reference to a "curly plow" would be in keeping as bawdy double entrandre to the sexual act. heh! |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: goatfell Date: 01 Mar 09 - 04:31 AM pow is Scotland is head and so curly Pow is curly hair |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: MartinRyan Date: 01 Mar 09 - 04:39 AM GUESTStoney You leave us Irish out of this, please - we have enough linguistic problems of our own! Regards |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 01 Mar 09 - 06:29 PM 'Weapon of Awesome Terror which was a very particular type of cannon which shot both cannonballs and petrified horseshit in equal proportions' Some may have thought Spaw was joking when he said that. But in the era before the invention of the tetanus shot, this was a deadly combination. In case no one has said it yet, 'leeze me on' is a corruption of 'lief is me,' which means 'dear to me.' The 'me' is dative, and this expression has a Germanic feel to it. This ties in nicely with the observation in another thread that broad Scots is derived from Lowlands dialects from across the sea to the east. Unfortunately that thread almost started World War III, so we won't talk about that. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: MartinRyan Date: 01 Mar 09 - 07:03 PM Dative as in "Wae's me for Prince Charlie..", of course. Regards |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 02 Mar 09 - 10:10 AM 'Dative as in "Wae's me for Prince Charlie..", of course.' Right on, bro! |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,McCullough Date: 27 Apr 09 - 06:35 AM I gathered from a folk singer of 25 years ago, that a Curling Pow, was in fact an erect penis. Coupled with the history behind the song, I believe that this is what Burns was refering to in the song. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Apr 09 - 12:03 PM A "Curling Pow" happens when the stone of one team crashes into the stone of another and instead of moving it, the target stone shatters. This is why so many teams are going with stones from Crimea as they are made by the descendants of the Light Brigade who stayed in the Crimea after their battle with the infamous Curly Pow Warriors as I related earlier in the thread. Perhaps you missed it: Light Brigades were specially trained in night fighting and carried torches into battle. After encountering initial successes against Buddhist Monks they were assigned to battalions fighting against the Curley Pow Warriors in Crimea. On the night of September 15th they devastated the entire Daintey Davey Division, setting fire to their curley pows and sending them running in flaming retreat across the battlefield with the Light Brigade in chase. The "blunder" oft referred to was that the Light Brigade followed too closely. When the flaming Curley Pow Warriors stumbled through an unseen fourth dimensional time warp encountering a future supply dump of the Nazis in WWII, the whole place blew up killing the remaining Daveys but also a goodly number of the Light Brigade as well. So you can readily see that the dick explanation does not entirely hold water although it has been known to spit some out. Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: gnu Date: 27 Apr 09 - 01:42 PM Hahahaaaaaaaa... heheheheeee.... |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 27 Apr 09 - 02:36 PM OH MY Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. LOL |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST Date: 28 Apr 09 - 07:30 AM Ah ! Spaw.... nice one... but is a wee bit like the proverbial bucket of dung from China... A bit far fetched !! Burns knew better, so he did. Cheers. McCullough. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:10 PM A "curly pow" is a curly head to we Scots |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Bald Pow Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:30 PM Burn's father ( originally Burnes I understand)moved to Ayrshire from my neck of the woods, Forfar, in Scotland. The phrase "curly pow" is still in use here. A man has a "curly pow" if he is curly headed. There may have been other,more bawdy uses of the phrase in the 18th century. I have never heard any such usage in 60 years. My wife who hails fom Ayr also knows it to mean curly headed. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: BobKnight Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:12 PM Yes, Burns was originally, "Burnes" from "The Mearns," closer to Stonehaven than Forfar. So, lets get this straight, and as Scots we can tell you now - it means "Curly Head" nothing more. It could possibly be used as a uephemism, but the original meaning is a head with curly hair. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:52 PM I'm sorry....You are both incorrect and as this thread predates your time here at the 'Cat by a decade, the weight of this thread is against you. Also, you didn't relate how any of your definitions tied into the Crimean War which makes you suspect at the very least. Please enjoy all that Mudcat has to offer but under no circumstances are you to ever return to this piece of crap thread. Harsh retribution will befall you and your heirs. Have a nice day. Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: BobKnight Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:09 PM Aye, and many wrongs don't make it right. Unlike MacArthur, I shall not return - to this thread, but then I may if the notion takes me. Burns was dead long before the Crimean war - so it's a' shite. :) |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 30 Jun 09 - 09:41 PM aH LEEZE ME ON YOUR CURLY POW. DAINTY dAVEY, dAINTY dAVEY aH LEEZE ME COUGH COUGH COUGH |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: Jack Campin Date: 01 Jul 09 - 05:09 AM Burns was dead long before the Crimean war - so it's a' shite. :) You've got it wrong - we're talking about the lesser-known McCrimean War, which was thought of in Burns's time as the war to end all wars. Hence his well-known song "McCrimean will never return". |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: BobKnight Date: 01 Jul 09 - 05:14 AM Bugger - I'd forgotten about that one. You're right - again. (hanging my head in shame) |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jun 10 - 01:27 PM For those of you who have missed it, Songcatcher is on Cinemax this month. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Jun 10 - 01:36 PM I knew I could count on you Sins!!!! So let me remind all those not following this dynamic thread that the Dainty Davey Light Brigade was blown up in a time warp they encountered in the Crimea as detailed below: Light Brigades were specially trained in night fighting and carried torches into battle. After encountering initial successes against Buddhist Monks they were assigned to battalions fighting against the Curley Pow Warriors in Crimea. On the night of September 15th they devastated the entire Daintey Davey Division, setting fire to their curley pows and sending them running in flaming retreat across the battlefield with the Light Brigade in chase. The "blunder" oft referred to was that the Light Brigade followed too closely. When the flaming Curley Pow Warriors stumbled through an unseen fourth dimensional time warp encountering a future supply dump of the Nazis in WWII, the whole place blew up killing the remaining Daveys but also a goodly number of the Light Brigade as well. One of the members was spit back through the time warp and his dying words were ,".........shitty movie........terrible fuckin' movie......" Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: Reiver 2 Date: 15 Jun 10 - 03:28 PM This thread is FAR too long!! I read about halfway, but couldn't make myself finish. Still I can't resist adding my two cents worth. The Reivers learned two versions. What we called the 'expurgated' version we came across first [I don't remember where or by whom]: 1] Once there was a tender maid \ She was mistress of her trade, She fell in wi' a roving blade \ And his name was Dainty Davie. Cho: Leeze me on thy curly pow \ Bonnie Davie, dainty Davie. Leeze me on thy curly pow \ He was her Dainty Davie. 2] In through the wondow brought \ Weel's the pleasure she might tot, The sweetest kiss she ever got \ Was from her Dainty Davie. 3] Doon amang her faether's leas \ E'en below the cherry trees There he kissed her as he pleased \ He was her dainty Davie. It made little sense but had a nice melody. Then we found what we called an 'unexpurgated' version which sounded more like the original: 1] Bein' persued by the Dragoons, in ma bed he was laid doon. We'el I wat he was worth his room, my ain, dear Dainty Davie. Cho: [Same as in the expurgated version above] 2] Ma mither laid him at ma back, I trow he lay na lang at that, But turned and in a verra crack, produced a 'Dainty Davie'. 3] In the field amang the pease, behin' the hoose and cherry trees, Again he won atweesh ma thies, and splash! gaed oot his gravy. 4] Had I gould or had I land, It should be a' at his command. I'll ne'er forget wha' he pat i' ma hand; It was a Dainty Davie. We assumed that poll referred to the head or forehead and that leeze meant lay, hence: lay on me your curly head. We never heard the story behind the incident as told early in this thread, and knowing of it makes the whole song far more interesting! I'm happy to learn the general background and wish we'd gone to the trouble of researching it then. This was in the 1970s\early '80s, and I was not aware of a resource like the Mudcat. [Actually, it wouldn't have helped as I didn't even have a computer in those days and had never heard of the internet.] Reiver 2 Reiver 2 background |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jun 10 - 03:55 PM I hadn't realized that there were Dragoons in the Crimean War. Fascinating. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,Dave (Bridge Date: 15 Jun 10 - 03:58 PM The unexpurgated version is as is by Burns. If you look at the words carefully and with an open mind the following appears to be the case. The whole song is about a sexual encounter in a field behind the house at Cherry Trees, which does or did exist. 'I trow he lay na lang at that, But turned and in a verra crack, produced a 'Dainty Davie' I think it is obvious what he produced and later put in her hand. Atweesh ma thees' translated would be between my thighs, 'Splash! gayed oot his gravy', well that does not need translating, I don't think. Contributors have tried to explain that a curly pow is hair, well I think it is but not of the head variety, more likely it is the hair which surrounds the 'Dainty Davey' which was put in her hand and from whence the gravy splashed. Burns was well known for writing suggestive if not blatantly disgusting words. Nine inches will please a Lady, for one |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Jun 10 - 04:12 PM I know what you mean Sins.....First this "Dragoon" bullshit and now some crappola about Cherry trees. Theree were certainly none of either where the black hole occured swallowing the entire flaming Dainty Davey Brigade. Perhaps there were some cherry trees around the Nazi stsh at the other end of the time warp. Could that be a possibility? Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: C Stuart Cook Date: 15 Jun 10 - 04:24 PM In northern dialect or at least some towns, pow means hairdo or haircut. My wife went to the hairdressers on Monday. As I came in the front door I said "Ey oop tha's 'ad a pow" You would say to the barber "A'll 'ave a reet good pow" if you wanted him to take it down to the bone. If you said "Ey oop A'm reet powfagged". You'd be saying you were mentally exhausted |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,John Spence Date: 15 Jun 10 - 04:50 PM Yes, but this is a Scottish poem/song |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Jun 10 - 06:12 PM Aw hellfire here......Both of y'all are way off. You need to study your Crimean war history a lot more.......... Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 15 Jun 10 - 07:44 PM The last time I looked, the Crimean War was well after the time of Burns (but my Tardis has been playing up recently) |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:04 PM See? Just goes to prove that Burns wouldn't have had a clue himself!!! Sillyass old fart didn't have a clue as to what he was talking about......Understandable of course since the language he spoke was not!!!! Spaw |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: mg Date: 15 Jun 10 - 09:06 PM The lpeople involved were called Cherrytree I think...that was their estate. mg |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: GUEST,JOhn Spence Date: 16 Jun 10 - 03:59 AM Quite correct mg |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: SINSULL Date: 16 Jun 10 - 08:03 AM and not a mention of Florence Nightingale. |
|
Subject: RE: Dainty Davey: What's a curly pow? From: catspaw49 Date: 16 Jun 10 - 08:18 AM Yes Sins, considering that if we're including these Cherry Trees then it would be natural to addd in some birds as well. But why Nightingales? Seems to me a few mockingbirds would have the desired effect as well. Spaw |
| Share Thread: |
