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Subject: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:47 PM

I have no idea who Casey Stengal is but perhaps if I start a thread - those who do know who is - can talk about him in this thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 04:20 AM

Well - obviously he was not all that important........


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: Beer
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 06:50 AM

A great N/Y baseball coach who use to catch his 40 winks in the dugout.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:54 AM

Thanks for that - but from what I have seen of the game - not sleeping through it must be pretty near impossible.

Now cricket on the other hand..........


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 08:39 AM

Ty Cobb said something like "Baseball is a game of unrelenting tension" and people who love the game seem to understand that(of course, I'll admit the excitement subsides a bit while they're changing pitchers). I used to think cricket was a big snooze until a South African friend of mine got me playing it quite a few years ago.

Casey Stengel was the most sucessful major league baseball manager in terms of winning pennants and world series in the modern era. He was also a fine player and a colorful character who was nearly Yogi Berra's equal in coming up with off-kilter comments. You can find more at caseystengel.com.vl


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: JJ
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 08:54 AM

Charles Dillon (Casey) Stengel was a mediocre ballplayer, but a great manager, winning an unconscionable number of World Series titles with the New York Yankees.

"I couldn'ta done it without my players," said Ol' Case.

Such a great doubletalker was he that he even baffled Congress when called to testify.

The Yankees fired him after he turned 70. Casey said, "I'll never make the mistake of bein' 70 again."

When the New York Mets were created, the owners knew the team was going to be awful, so they hired Casey to manage, a great PR move. The Ol' Perfesser would moan, "Can't anybody here play this game?" as the Mets lost again and again.

At the time of his death he was the most beloved man in baseball...


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: Emma B
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 08:55 AM

from the BBC web site -

Lawrence Peter Berra - more commonly known by his nickname 'Yogi Berra' - was a great baseball player of his time. He was an excellent catcher for the New York Yankees in the 1940s and 1950s, and was one of the great hitters of the time (indeed, he shot to national prominence because of it). He won three league MVP awards and was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1973.

Unfortunately, his linguistic ability is not quite on the same level as his baseball ability. Yogi Berra is notorious for his oxymorons (contradictions), tautologies (saying the same thing twice) and other statements that, on reflection, just don't make sense. He's also one of the most-quoted sporting individuals in the world. US President Bush1, who also has a reputation for 'misspeaking', often quotes Yogi Berra, and jokingly credited him as his speechwriter.

Of course, there is good cause to think that Berra didn't say all of these absurd things. Many are invented and Berra can't remember saying some. But they are still very entertaining, so read on, and enjoy.

Slump? I ain't in no slump... I just ain't hitting.

You can observe a lot by watching.

It gets late early around here...

A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore.

If I didn't wake up I'd still be sleeping.

I usually take a two hour nap from 1 to 4.

If you don't know where you're going, you'll wind up somewhere else.

The future ain't what it used to be.

If they don't want to come, you can't stop them.

Always go to other people's funerals otherwise they won't go to yours.

You have to give 100% in the first half of the game. If that isn't enough, in the second half, you have to give what is left.

Never answer an anonymous letter.

Think! How the hell are you gonna think and hit at the same time.

Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel!

Ninety percent of this game is half mental.

It ain't over 'til it's over.

Thanks for the info van lingle - over here we call them "Coleman Balls" some great quotes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 10:53 AM

One of his more famous quotes regarding the '62 Mets was "Can't anyone around here play this game?". I think that's how it went.

JJ, He hit .284 over 14 seasons and was well regarded as an outfielder and team player and while he wasn't hall of fame caliber as a player he was definitely more than medicore. vl


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: GUEST,vl
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 10:56 AM

...or even mediocre.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: M.Ted
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 02:25 PM

Yogi Berra's dumb quips were a pretty smart way of getting media attention. You couldn't buy publicity like that if you were giving it away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 10:10 PM

Another historical figure who mangled sayings and in the process promulgating new ways of looking at old truths was Samuel Goldwyn of the MGM studio. Another was Satchel Paige. They are great fun to read. "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." lol

dubya is not in their league in any sense. dugya's manglings - like 'misunderestimating' and a recent jewel: "If I didn't believe it — I'm going to repeat what I said before — I'd pull the troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out." —George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006 - seem the product of a curdled brain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:04 AM

Another Yogism:
Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

Another Satchel:
Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like nobody's watching.

Interesting that these two atheletes could come up with these little gems and our nincompoop of a president rarely strings together a coherent sentence.vl


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:11 AM

... that was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:44 AM

Yogi Berra's dumb quips were a pretty smart way of getting media attention. You couldn't buy publicity like that if you were giving it away.

Was that one of his?


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:54 AM

Nice one Roger :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: JJ
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 10:09 AM

It's true, Van Lingle (Mungo?), that Casey was a better ballplayer that I gave him credit for. I should have said,"journeyman."

The genius of Yogi Berra ( who was demeaned by his teammates as an ape when he first hit the big leagues) was that his statements often made a great deal of sense. One of my favorites is, "I can't think and hit at the same time."

Yogi's friend from St. Louis, Joe Garagiola, is credited with making Yogisms famous. This led to Yogi's declaration, "I never said half the things that I said."

Joe and Yogi grew up in a part of St. Louis which was always referred to in later years as "The Hill." Only rarely would someone spill that it had actually been called "Dago Hill."


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 10:38 AM

On the other hand these are all genuine recorded "Coleman balls"

Sports commentators can get carried away sometimes.... David Coleman, a famed English SPORTS COMMENTATOR, seems to get carried away more than most - here are some of his best moments.




That's the fastest time ever run - but it's not as fast as the world record.
Don't tell those coming in the final result of that fantastic match, but let's just have another look at Italy's winning goal.
For those of you watching who do not have television sets, live commentary is on Radio 2.
This is a truly international field, no Britons involved.
Both of the Villa scorers - Withe and Mortimer - were born in Liverpool as was the Villa manager Ron Saunders who was born in Birkenhead.
He's 31 this year - last year he was 30.
He won the bronze medal in the 1976 Olympics so he's used to being out in front.
We estimate, and this isn't an estimation, that Greta Waltz is 80 seconds behind.
Linford Christie's got a habit of pulling it out when it matters most.
The late start is due to the time.
He's got his hands on his knees and holds his head in despair.
He's even smaller in real life than he is on the track.
This could be a repeat of what will happen in the European games next week.
It's a battle with himself and with the ticking fingers of the clock.
Here are some names to look forward to - perhaps in the future.
In the Moscow Olympics Lasse Viren came in fifth and ran a champions race.
He just can't believe what's not happening to him.
One of the great unknown champions because very little is known about him.
There'll be only one winner now - in every sense.
He is accelerating all the time. The last lap was run in 64 seconds and the one before that in 62.
The big Cuban opened his legs and showed his class.
(At the velodrome) The front wheel crosses the fininsh line, closely followed by the back wheel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:02 AM

LOL, Emma. That stuff is priceless. If George W. ever took up sportscasting he'd probably sound a bit like that.vl


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 02:08 PM

The big Cuban opened his legs and showed his class.

I remember hearing him say that one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casey Stengel was important to the Mets
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:08 PM

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics-heroes/displayhero.asp?HeroID=343


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