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Lyr Add: The Minstrel (Graham and Eileen Pratt)

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THE MINSTREL
THE MINSTREL


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Richard Bridge 24 Apr 06 - 02:55 PM
Joe Offer 25 Apr 06 - 03:26 AM
Richard Bridge 25 Apr 06 - 04:41 AM
GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler 25 Apr 06 - 07:40 AM
Jeri 25 Apr 06 - 08:10 AM
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Terry McDonald 28 Sep 08 - 04:43 AM
Irene M 28 Sep 08 - 08:54 AM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 02:55 PM

May I point out a verse missing in the digitrad?

As the late Dave Bryant pointed out 4 years ago the penultimate verse is missing. The words he posted then (as he said "from memory") do not perfectly tally with the Wendy Grossman singing that I have also found on the internet, which are as follows: -


"I sang my song in mill and coal-pit,
My voice all cracked with dust and fumes.
I took my tune from the factory siren,
I took my rhythm from the looms.
But whether anybody listened,
Or paid attention, I can't say.
For I couldn't stand the smoke and the chimneys,
So packed my bags and moved away."


All the other internet sources I have found point back to the digitrad or a mirror so it would be nice to restore this verse to the digitrad version.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE MINSTREL (Graham and Eileen Pratt)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:26 AM

OK. This is what we have for the whole text, including the last verse. Any other corrections? Can anybody send us the tune?
-Joe Offer-


THE MINSTREL
(Graham and Eileen Pratt)

I sang my song at Hastings' battle
To praise the deeds of Charlemagne.
I sang of Arthur and of Roland,
That men remember their great fame.
I sang to rouse a sinking nation,
That king and man might never yield.
But when the battle cry was over,
We all lay dead on Hastings' field.

I sang my song to conquer loved ones.
I sold my voice to him who paid,
To sing his lady gentle love songs,
To lend his passion subtler shade.
But when my silver-throated praises
At last did melt her heart of stone,
He paid me and they both departed,
And left me there to sing alone.

I sang my song at fair and market,
A song much bawdier than before.
Amidst the pigs and geese and cattle,
I sought to please the crowd once more.
I sang to win applause and favour,
Songs of the cuckold and the whore.
But though I gladly took their money,
I missed the songs I'd sung before.

I sang my song in time of anger.
And found new purpose in the rhymes.
At kings and queens, did point the finger,
And bid them see the nation's crimes.
How bitterly did I condemn them,
All those who left the poor oppressed,
But the time was not yet ripe for changes,
I hung at Tyburn with the rest.

I sang my song in mill and coal-pit,
My voice all cracked with dust and fumes.
I took my tune from the factory sirens,
I took my rhythm from the looms.
But whether anybody listened,
Or paid attention, I can't say.
I couldn't stand the smoke and chimneys,
So I packed my bags and I moved away.

My voice grows tired. My eyes are weary.
The aging memory nearly gone.
I've sung my song for lord and lady.
I've sung it too for common man.
Until there's no more time for singing,
Until we reach the stories' end,
I'll always find the strength within me
To rise and sing my song again.


@music
filename[ MINSTRL
XX


Wendy Grossman has an online recording of the song here (click). This transcription matches what I hear on Grossman's recording, but it's possible that Grossman has altered parts of the song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 04:41 AM

Here is a link to the Grossman performance: I cannot see how to download the mp3. The Minstrel

Working from that performance, and in places from the scansion, I have the following suggestions: -

1. The verse now added is not the last verse, but the penultimate verse.

2. V1 L4 "that man remember"   (comment, a nice use of the residual subjunctive in English)

3. V3 L3 "Amidst the pigs..."

4. V4 L8 Delete "And" (comment, this is my change suggested for scansion reasons: the original seems so good I would be surprised if the additional syllable were correct)

5. V5 L3   (NB the correct V5 when the re-ordering has been done) delete "the", pluralise "siren" to "sirens". Again I suggest this simply for scansion reasons.

6. V6 L1 "My voice is tired; my eyes grow weary"

7. V7 L3 "for lords and ladies"    Again I suggest this simply for scansion reasons.

8. V7 L5 "Until there's no more time for singing".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:40 AM

From memory the corrections from Richard match with the author's original performances, the best of which I thought was on the "Magic Pear tree" cassette.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE MINSTREL (Graham and Eileen Pratt)
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:10 AM

Here it is with Richard's corrections, except for his own changes. I think we ought to try to get the song in the DT the way it was written.

THE MINSTREL
(Graham and Eileen Pratt)

I sang my song at Hastings' battle
To praise the deeds of Charlemagne.
I sang of Arthur and of Roland,
That man remember their great fame.
I sang to rouse a sinking nation,
That king and man might never yield.
But when the battle cry was over,
We all lay dead on Hastings' field.

I sang my song to conquer loved ones.
I sold my voice to him who paid,
To sing his lady gentle love songs,
To lend his passion subtler shades.
And when my silver-throated praises
At last did melt her heart of stone,
They paid me and they both departed,
And left me there to sing alone.

I sang my song at fair and market,
A song much bawdier than before.
Amidst the pigs the geese and the cattle,
I sought to please the crowd once more.
I sang to win applause and favour,
Songs of the cuckold and the whore.
And though I gladly took their money,
I missed the songs I'd sung before.

I sang my song at times of anger.
I found new purpose in my rhymes.
At kings and queens, I'd point the finger,
And bid them see the nation's crimes.
How bitterly did I condemn them,
All those who bled the poor oppressed,
But the time was not yet ripe for changes,
And I hung at Tyburn with the rest.

I sang my song in mill and coal-pit,
My voice all cracked with dust and fumes.
I took my tune from the factory siren,
I took my rhythm from the looms.
But whether anybody listened,
Or paid attention, I can't say.
For I couldn't stand the smoke and the chimneys,
So packed my bags and moved away.

My voice is tired. My eyes grow weary.
My aging memory's nearly gone.
I've sung my song for the lord and lady.
I've sung it for the common ones.
Until there's no more time for singing,
Until we reach the stories' end,
I'll always find the strength within me
To rise and sing my song again.

@music
filename[ MINSTRL
TUNE FILE: MINSTRL (missing)
CLICK TO PLAY
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:17 PM

Any other corrections to the lyrics posted by Jeri?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:43 AM

You could ask Graham Pratt - PM me and I'll give you his e-mail address.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: Irene M
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 08:54 AM

I have been singing this for 30 years and have the song-sheet the published way back when.

Verse 1 is fine,as is verse 2.
Verse 3, line 3 should read "amid the pigs and geese and cattle".
Verse 4, line 2 ends rhyme, not rhymes. Line 4 ends crime (singular). Line 6 is "all those who left the poor oppressed"
Verse 5, line 3 ends sirens (plural). Line 7, delete the word "for" at the start.
Verse 6 is: My voice grows tired, my eyes are weary
My aging memory nearly gone
I've sung my song for lord and lady
I've sung it too for common man
But 'til there's no more time for singing
Until we reach the story's end
I'll always find the strength within me
To rise and sing my song again.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Correction to 'The Minstrel' (Pratt)
From: Barbara
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:43 PM

I first heard this song from Simon Trevelyan of the Vancouver BC Folk Song Society, and he learned it from the blind NYC singer, Robert Rodriquez. Robert wrote two more verses for it and entered it in a song competition of some sort, which he won. (This all from his telling). Here are his two verses, which he added to the beginning.

I sang my song in glen and heather
To rouse the tribes in time of war
I sang my song to Pict and Druid
Of mythic heroes in days of yore
But when the might Roman legions
Brought fire and sword onto our land
No more was heard the sound of singing
The legions stilled the harper's hand

I sang my song to noble Arthur
And Guinevere his fabled Queen
I sang of songs of knightly valor
And of the hallowed Grail ne'er seen
But when the bloody Saxon reavers
Came plundering Albion's fair shore
They drenched our lives in blood and fire
And darkness filled the land once more

Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Minstrel (Graham and Eileen Pratt)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 08:57 AM

Damn! I wish I had been Mudcatting back in April 2006. I had picked out the verses (after many listens to audioucassette) and taught it to my daughter in 2002 or 2003.
Though I see I misinterpreted coalpit as pulpit. Thanks for that correction.

What has happened to Graham and Eileen Pratt. Anyone know? Should I start a new thread for that?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Minstrel (Graham and Eileen Pratt)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:04 AM

Ok forget that request. I just followed a series of links from one above and found out what they are up to.

Doh!

Also found out in my search for Gram & Eileen Pratt on the Mudcat, that I was guest, poetspider on MC back in 2003, looking for Doll thy ale.

Think I have contracted the alzhiemers.


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