BS: Losing to the boss at golf.

Subject: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:01 AM

As doing this is an established method of advancement - I was wondering how difficult this might be for an ex-golf professional - forced to start out on the corporate ladder in different line of business?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:04 AM

pretty easy. a scrabble champion let me win just to be nice to me once.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Ernest
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:47 AM

Maybe that`s just because someone who is a champion at scrabble is not necesssarily also a champion at golf, WLD.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 04:11 AM

Some people just don't know when to give in!

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:26 AM

Golf or Scrabble?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:38 AM

Roger, Is this a big problem for you? Do your bosses often challenge you at golf then fire you when they lose?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:52 AM

Mudcat's bogey man strikes again!
I know Tiger Woods, but I wish Roger wouldn't!
G ☻

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:59 AM

Roger, Is this a big problem for you? Do your bosses often challenge you at golf then fire you when they lose?

Not being an ex professional golfer I would have no problem in losing at golf to anyone.

But I don't think I have ever been invited to play golf (or indeed scrabble) with my bosses and I don't think I would take up the invitation if I received one.

But would you need to lose to your boss at golf?

Would you invite him to a game - in order to lose?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:38 AM

well I agree its a question of temperament - most athletes have sort of a competitive edge in place of a personality. Or perhaps I mean sports teachers.

However, people who are really good are secure enough to let the other guy win. Very similar with musicians, headcutting compettions are really for guitarists who should have stuck to being gym teachers.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:38 AM

I suspect some of us - especially those who would lose to the boss at golf - may think there are tmes when losing is really wining?

Would you invite him to a game - in order to lose?

I am sorry about the wording of that question, I will go back and do it again.

Would you invite the boss to a game - in order to lose?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 11:28 AM

Seems possible to me that when a company hires an ex-professional golfer that it might be a point of pride for the company. The ex may find himself giving a lot of tips and hints. And then, of course, in time the golfer will know when to let the boss feel that he has really, really improved- and let him win. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 12:30 PM

If others may find a problem with my attitude of always trying to say what I mean and meaning what I say - perhaps it is they who have an attitude problem?

I find those who do not say what they mean and do not mean what they say and who are prepared to play golf with the boss - in order to lose - to be much more of a problem. (Shambles in the no posting of judgements week thread)

Let me translate Shambles first post:

My, that was a good thought and expression I had found there. But this thread is so long that most posters even don't open it anymore. So I'll start a new thread but I have to be careful to attract posters not yet exposed to my line of argumentation. I could start with the question "Would you invite your boss to a game - in order to lose. No that's still too obvious. How about a golf professional, w/could he lose to please his boss? I think that's a good start. I still can turn to the other formulation later. Then after perhaps fifty posts I'll tell them about the chief of the Mudcat editorial team and how some posters (lick his arse) play golf with him to let him win. After that I'll tell them all the names I have been called by the anonymous fellow posters and whether they consider that an example to follow.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 01:01 PM

Subject: RE: SURVEY: How many post to Mudcat ONLY?
From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 05:46 AM

What a boring life some people must lead!

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Grab
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 01:17 PM

Ease up, Wolfgang - that was unnecessary.

Back on topic, a good player (at anything) may lose to a worse player simply bcos they aren't putting in the same level of determination that the worse player is. In fact, they're likely to give the other person chances in order not to win overwhelmingly. Unless you're rabidly competitive, losing in that way isn't likely to worry you unduly - you both still know who's best, even though it's nice to occasionally still get the better of someone who should be able to beat you.

Alternatively, if the boss is a good golfer and I'm not, but I still really want a game of golf, then I'd be quite happy to play against him knowing I'll lose. The objective is a game of golf, not winning.

But if it's an "established method of advancement" to deliberately throw a game just to suck up to someone, the people advancing themselves are working in the wrong place...

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:19 PM

I have worked alongside those who did seem to need play and to lose to the boss at golf.

They usually did go a long way - if not up the fairway.

And they did get up a lot of people's noses.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:02 PM

A boss who expected to win at golf (or anything else) because the employees she or he were playing against weren't expected to do their best wouldn't be much of a boss or a human being. If the employees couldn't do their best at play, even with the boss, how could they be expected to do their best at work?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:13 PM

Thank God, I have never had a job that would have required or even hinted at such a scenario unfolding... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:16 PM

By the way, I feel it fair to mention that Clinton Hammond is the kind of guy who would happily play badly any time in order to lose a game...just to make a weaker play feel good. This one of the reasons I like and admire him so much. He wouldn't do it to suck up to the boss, he'd do it just to be nice! That's what I call "heart". ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: freightdawg
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:35 PM

I would think that if the boss knew he was playing with an ex-pro, and the ex-pro tanked the round in order to "suck up" to the boss, that the little exercise might backfire. Most bosses I know got to be bosses because of their competitive spirit. No one likes to lose, but if you know your competition is a rung above you on the talent ladder, and s/he deliberately loses just to make you feel better, you end up really feeling worse. It is different when you are instructing someone; you want to let them feel like they can "beat" you every once in a while, but then the next round you can ratchet up the skill level just a little bit more and the student learns that one victory does not a career make. It kind of depends on the diplomacy skills of the pro. The pro might be just enough "off" of his/her game so that the boss thinks s/he has a chance going into the back nine just to make things equitable, especially if it appears the boss if having an "off" day. (Darn that breeze, it almost made a leaf wiggle!)

By the way, this applies to demonstrating one's skills on a student's guitar, demonstrating one's skills at billiards, or playing chess with a novice. You don't earn points by beating up a rookie.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 11:18 AM

Is Clinton Hammond a ex pro golfer?

Did he post to this thread?

Why was it fair to mention him at all?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 11:20 AM

So Shambles,

What do you do if you work for Nick Faldo or Tiger Woods?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 02:54 PM

Why was it fair to mention him at all?

We are talking about a game, fairness is the soul of any game, so it is in the spirit of this thread that CAH is fair game for LH.

Wolfgang (struggling with the English language)

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:05 PM

That's OK, Wolfgang, many Americans struggle with it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:13 PM

I admire Clinton so much, Roger, that I simply can't resist paying homage to him on a fairly regular basis. Not that I admire him as much as William Shatner! But almost that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:17 PM

By the way, I feel it fair to mention that Clinton Hammond is the kind of guy who would happily play badly any time in order to lose a game...just to make a weaker play feel good.

Yes I've noticed that here, when he "debates" people.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:36 PM

And by the way, Wolfgang, I forgot to mention that that was a brilliantly set up pun.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 11:51 AM

Now there's a golf partner for you Wolfgang..

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: jeffp
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

What is your goal, Shambles?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:31 PM

There are no goals to be scored in golf - or goal posts to be moved?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:44 PM

Golf is a bloody stupid game if you ask me, but it does 'ave a goal. The goal of the fecking game is to put the lit'tle white ball in the fecking 'ole in as few strokes as possible! Any fool knows that, mate. Get yer silly 'ead examined, that's my advice.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 08:19 AM

What is your goal, Jeffp?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 08:59 AM

Are we really approaching this in a fairway?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 09:08 AM

Just about on par with the rest of this crap Amos.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Losing to the boss at golf.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 10:16 AM

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 11:08 PM

Mudcat is a site you can always come to when you want to engage in meaningful debate and have critical analysis focused on your arguments. The members are masters of semantics and use the term "fuckwit" sparingly, as true philosophers should.

A hole in one - sadly.

When golf spectators shout out and tell the ball to 'get in the hole' do they really expect the ball to listen?

I wonder what the professionals think of those who shout this out?