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BS: Attitude problem?

The Shambles 25 Apr 06 - 07:48 AM
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Subject: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:48 AM

What is meant when someone accuses you of having an attitude problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Mr Fox
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:55 AM

They don't agree with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:16 AM

It means you adopt the wrong attitude to deal with whatever situaution you are in. It can also be a bit like what used to be called 'dumb insolence' in the army.
Sort of personification here
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: John Routledge
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:03 AM

When dealing with situations our attitudes affect the way we react. If our attitude is such that we usually respond inapropriately then we have an attitude problem.

Everyone has some degree of attitude problem which varies from time to time and with the passage of time - not necessarily for the better :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:23 AM

They are saying that it isn't the issue as such, but the way in which you are dealing with it, that is causing the difficulty -- that you are being uncooperative, or in some other way adopting a personal approach that is getting in the way.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Alba
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

It means it is time to have a look at your attitude and decide if it serves you well or badly..imo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

It's true enough that the way people react to a situation is coloured by the way they are feeling, on that occasion or habitually, and that somnetimes this is more significant than the objective circumstances. Road rage is an example. "Got out of bed the wrong side this morning" is a way of summing it up when it's a one-off.

But "he has an attitude problem" or "you have an attitude problem" can also be used as a method for dodging the question when there is a real issue in play, in a way that is hard to defend against, and it therefore tends to escalate the conflict. I think it's an expression best left on the shelf.

"You're just arguing for the sake of arguing" is perhaps a better way of saying the same thing, without the psycho-babble implications of "attitude problem".


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 09:39 AM

sort of similar to the phrase "having a chip on one's shoulder".


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 10:24 AM

Actually, the problem is not in the person you address, it is in the one who says "You have an attitude problem."

We often hear thing such as, "You need to pick up that mess." "You need to stop doing that." WRONG, More accurate to say , "I need you to...etc"


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 10:34 AM

As in "Your attitude bothers me". If said by one person - their problem. If said by more than one - maybe it's YOUR problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 11:48 AM

You have an attitude problem Roger, and it even comes over in black and white typeface! (Giok) (in the no posting of judgements week thread)

If others may find a problem with my attitude of always trying to say what I mean and meaning what I say - perhaps it is they who have an attitude problem? (Shambles immediate response)

Let me translate Shambles first post:
I want to start a new Shamblecentric thread and hope to attract some other posters by an innocuous sounding question. I can turn the thread later to make my usual point. Nobody seems to open the old thread anymore because it is too long. Let's play my favourite game in a new thread. I think I'll better not link or quote for then it might be too obvious.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 12:06 PM

Wolfgang -

*Smiles*

If your suspicions were right you would have had the satisfaction of knowing that you were right - had you not already posted, refreshed the thread and turned it into what you predicted it would be.

I have not noticed any reluctance on your or anyone else's part to continue to refresh the longer threads you refer to and post here to complain about.

Could it just be that I wanted some resposes to the question I asked in this thread as a starting point for a discussion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 12:18 PM

If your non sequiturs are being deleted from those threads where they are even more irrelevant than they are in this one, then you have to start more threads in order to spread the propaganda don't you?
Giok.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 12:21 PM

"Attitude problem" implies that the expression of one's attitude runs contrary to a goal held by another, usually someone or some entity that perceives itself as being "in charge" and, thusly, with a right to dictate what one's attitude should be. So, what constitutes an "attitude problem" depends on who's calling the shots.

If one works in a used car lot, holding fairness and honesty in higher regard than making money is probably an attitude problem because it means the boss is going to make less money. Conversely, holding fairness and honesty in low regard would be considered an attitude problem for an accountant, a social worker or a judge.

One person's values = Somebody else's attitude problem


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:31 PM

holding fairness and honesty in low regard would be considered an attitude problem for... a social worker

I wouldn't bet on that. Social workers who persist in regarding fairness and honesty as a priority, and see their role as primarily to help their clients are liable to be regarded as having "an attitude" problem" by management.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:33 PM

Agreed BWL.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:38 PM

According to several contributors on the 'Cat', the moderators have an attitude problem. Not so! They run the show and those who question their right to do so have an attitude problem....right or wrong?
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:39 PM

Right IMHO Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:43 PM

When you fall out of a window you are likely to have an altitude problem. I thought I'd post that before someone starts up a copycat thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:56 PM

I was thinking along the lines of the dog that ate his Master's Fedora, the dog had a hat he chewed problem!
Giok
I'll get me leash!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:05 PM

Here is a page with some cartoons about "attitude problems".


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:15 PM

According to several contributors on the 'Cat', the moderators have an attitude problem.

I am not sure who is accusing any of them of this but it could be that someone who is 'moderating' in order to protect us from abusive personal attacks but over time repeatedly responds with abusive personal attacks and name-calling when they feel they are being treated unfairly - perhaps does have an attitude unlikely to achieve the stated aims.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:19 PM

LOL Giok and Kevin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:23 PM

"One person's values = Somebody else's attitude problem" B-D-L

I worked, thank goodness for only a few weeks, in the worst sweatshop situation I've ever seen, for a supplier of car carpets and hardboard car panels. The work pace, catching pieces coming off the press and stacking or boxing them, was often unthinkable. So one day a large ugly gorilla with some sort of foreman's position comes over to the press operator and says, "I don't like the way he's (pointing out a worker) handling those panels." The press operator blurted out, "He's just trying to keep up". The gorilla leaned over him and growled, "You getting an attitude?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:30 PM

it wasn't my 'at he chewed.
http://www.mardigrasoutlet.com/details.asp?ProdID=921


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:07 AM

Shambles...When treated unfairly, how should they behave? As you do? or how you think they should behave?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 05:04 AM

As I do. First you accept the realities of the situation - if you can't stand the heat - you don't place yourself in the kitchen.

And you politly carry on simply trying to express and evidence a view that you have been treated unfairly even when others would prefer you did not and despite all the methods they think are fair to try and prevent you from doing this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 05:23 AM

What would you do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 08:35 AM

After 7 years of swimming upstream, I'd examine my stand and adjust.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 08:56 AM

Could it just be that I wanted some resposes to the question I asked in this thread as a starting point for a discussion? (Shambles)

Very unlikely, see your post from 25 Apr 06 - 06:15 PM.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: GUEST,Clogger
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 09:55 AM

I got ATTITUDE ..... no problem!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 01:30 PM

Roger is like a salmon, Kendall; he will swim upstream to the bitter end. The rest of us simply have to decide whether to accompany him on his journey.

The analogy is not perfect however, there are differences. Seeing the salmon defy the laws of physics is inspiring and magnificent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:07 PM

The moment I saw the title of this thread, I thought, "Aha! There's carrion down there. Something rotting at the side of the road. Must check it out at once. Let me guess who launched the thread. Hmmmm....gee this is tough! Who could it be?"

Perhaps I am not a hawk, but a vulture. ;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:28 PM

Roger asked a clear question and has had many, clear answers.

IMO this thread could now be conveniently closed because of that.

All those in favour write "Aye."


   Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:01 PM

Aye


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:04 PM

This is not a democracy - or so I have been told.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:06 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:04 PM

This is not a democracy - or so I have been told.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:11 PM

Neither is the USA. In my mind, that is a more significant problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:14 PM

I had a teacher many years ago who allowed his class to discuss why THEY should have certain 'rights'...then walked in the next day and wrote on the blackboard:

"This class is run democratically"
       signed, King Harmon the First


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:20 PM

While we're on this fascinating subject, can anyone suggest how I can get Clinton Hammond to apologize for the few hundred absolutely awful things he has said to me and numerous other people on this forum....get him to mend his belligerent ways and be a nice guy who tries hard not to step on anyone's toes...that sort of thing?

Or should we try to find the Fountain of Youth first?

(grin)


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:24 PM

Maybe you could start a whole bunch of threads with cut-n-paste of all his insults (without context) and repetitive whining. That seems to work a treat around here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: GUEST,receptionist at the Mudcat Central
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:26 PM

Don't you dare do that jeffp. I have enough filing do do around here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:31 PM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:32 PM

Ha! Ha! Ha! (snort) That's a really sick idea, jeffp. REALLY sick.

Don't worry, I am not going to do it. Hell, I don't even have the time for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:33 PM

now, if we could just get Clinton H. amd Martin Gibson to take on Shambles, we could all just sit back and watch and eat popcorn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:38 PM

Now, that's entertainment!


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 05:39 PM

In the light of the fact that the Mudcat is a wonderful free gift to all of us from Max and the crew (and also from most most Mudcatters to each other), perhaps there is some kind of gratitude problem around here...

I draw your attention to this spin-off thread I started last night - Recognising Psychobabble


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 06:14 AM

IMO this thread could now be conveniently closed because of that.

Sometimes many things appear to be done only because they can.

You know what - for many years until our protectors were shown how to do it - our forum managed quite happly with all threads open.

Posters were encouraged to start and contribute to threads - rather than asking for them to be closed and prevent others from contributing to them.

A different attitude seemed to be encouraged then - than is encouraged now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 09:08 AM

Presumably something to do with 'attitude problems' then eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 11:06 AM

Well I know which of those two attitudes I prefer - how about you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 01:10 PM

I totally agree that attitudes have changed but unfortunately little can be done to change it unless the 'group' wants such change and works mutually for the same goals. I for one prefer things as they were 'a while back' but as with life, one can only move on in the current mode of the group and live with it... or get out of it. I guess I have become a bit thick skinned over time here but I won't become calloused! I try very hard to maintain my 'individuality' as I have seen and personally experienced the Mudcat mob syndrome and would not want to be part of the persecuting aspect of the group. Whether it be Martin Gibson, Me, the moderators or whoever....the group will have its say...won't it!
I enjoy the music section and have learned much from lyrics/knowledge and facts and opinions but I don't visit the BS in an 'involved way' as I feel I would give too much of the inner me away to some who I wouldn't particularly want to know me that well. I prefer to meet 'real people' face to face and can confidently say I have not met a mudcatter yet that I have disliked...and I have met many. This place is unreal as are some of the characters in it....Some find this a great place to role play, some take it seriously, some love to wind others up, some,,,well the list is probably endless but the attitudes will be dictated by the group as a whole overall. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:21 PM

There is now a 'persecuting aspect of the group'?

Surely not?

Why would you think there would be such an attitude?

Is it because some posters are now seen to wish for some reason to be persecuted - as has been suggested recently?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:29 PM

What is it you do wish for?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:34 PM

You talkin ta me? You talkin taaa ME? You got a problem with my attitude problem?

Just askin. No problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:35 PM

A discussion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:45 PM

If you wish to have a discussion, then answer peoples' questions directly with your own words, not by randomly cutting and pasting other peoples' posts over and over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 09:49 AM

Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others.
Wesley S


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: jeffp
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 10:52 AM

Sounds like a refusal to me. You obviously do not truly desire a discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 03:34 PM

Censorship and attitude rolled into one

Take your pick.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 03:37 PM

Fear and Loathing at Mudcat Cafe...

The book Hunter S. Thompson should have written! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 05:26 PM

Roger - Remember when I said :

Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others.

Please note that I said "members and guests". The owner and his selected moderators are in charge and get to run this place as they see fit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 08:59 PM

Noted - but do you really think that selected moderators think they now need permission from you or I to do as they think fit, or rather do just as they wish?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 09:09 PM

Of course not! They would look to someone with a proven track record of leadership, someone whose perspicacity and good judgement is simply beyond question.

Someone like...William Shatner.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 09:20 PM

To boldly judge where no judge has judged before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 09:20 PM

They would look to someone overweight, inept, bumbling, self-aggrandizing, musically parapalegic...someone like Shatner.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 09:21 PM

On a dead man's door, you can knock forever. But, I repeat myself, sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 10:04 PM

LOL! Oh, the inhumanity of it all! Well, Amos, you can ramble on all you want trying to assassinate the character of a man who has done nothing but exemplify the noblest human virtues for all to emulate, but remember this! "They" will NOT look to a man who cannot even spell "paraplegic"! No, I think not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:45 AM

On a dead man's door, you can knock forever. But, I repeat myself, sorry

Is he dead then?

It must be have been eating all that Shredded Wheat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 11:24 PM

A cereal killer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 05:10 AM

No - I am wrong.

I saw the TV advert last night - it is Kellogs Bran Flakes with Mr S in a light blue jogging suit.

Not logical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: autolycus
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:39 PM

Sorry,I'm a bit late back to this.

i was just trying to be helpful in saying Roger has asked a specific question, got loads of answers, so can we close this.

I completely missed the point that this is a conversation. Of course. And, as a hard-hearted, bloodless liberal, I have no wish to curtail conversations (or threads).

incidentally, that should have read "permission from you or me to do ....", Roger. "You or I" has to be the subject of the sentence to be grammaticallly correct. Whereas in your sentence, "you or I" is the grammatical object.


   Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Attitude problem?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 06 - 04:50 AM

that was an excellent 'pick up of an unconsidered trifle' Autolycus. well I hadn't considered it.


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