Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 07:04 PM Sorcha, I know this is thread drift but please help me out here. Or please start a thread on this fascinating subject [the folklore of little people]. What did you mean by the sentence "we don't keep them, they just 'are'? Do you mean fairies, leprechauns, sidhe, Little People, pookas [pookas??!] don't like the color red so they stay away from folks wearing that color? If so, why is that? And what did you mean by the sentence "Your red scarf matches your eyes? And pray tell, how did you know my eyes are red?? ;o) |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 06:59 PM Put on your old grey bonnet with the blue ribbon on it... |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Hawker Date: 29 Apr 06 - 06:56 PM From Harriet Tubman.... "Whose are these children dressed in Red They must be the ones that Moses led" From I've got a bonnet..... "I've got a bonnet trimmed with blue Do you wear it Yes I do" The White cockade..... He promised to buy me a bunch of blue ribbons To tie up may bonny brown hair As for significance...Hmmmm Cheers, Lucy |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 06:32 PM Zi, we don't 'keep' them, they just 'are'...and yes, fairies, leprechauns, sidhe, Little People, pookas.... Your red scarf matches your eyes.... |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:59 PM She wore red feathers and a hula hula skirt . . . |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:40 PM Sorcha, thanks for that interesting piece of information. But I'm wondering why would humans want to keep the little people away? Are "little people" the same as leprechauns? If so, is it because they play tricks on humans? But don't leprechauns have a pot of gold that humans might find or that they may give to a woman or man for some reason or another? But, wait a minute-isn't the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow? Oh, I'm so confused... |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:36 PM Round her neck she wore a yellow ribbon... |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: frogprince Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:36 PM "It was an itsy-bitsy, teeny-weeny yellow polka-dot bikini" |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: frogprince Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:34 PM "She wore blue velvet..." And "The Blue Skirt Waltz" |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:06 PM In Irish folk lore, red keeps the little people away. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 29 Apr 06 - 05:04 PM "Will you wear red, or my dear, oh my dear? Will you wear red, Jennie Jenkins? "I won't wear red; it's the color of my head" Sort of makes sense so far, but listen to the chorus: "I'll buy me a tally feather, aye sir. I'll buy me a tally, walk-a-belly, so to go with m' robe, To go with m' robe, Jenny Jenkins! "I'll buy me a tally feather, aye sir. I'll buy me a tally feather, double dose a dilly-dally Sukey, sukey why man To go with my robe, Jenny Jenkins!" You might still think that the red color might be significant, but she won't wear black, either, because it's the color of her back; won't wear green--it can't be seen; won't wear blue because it's the color of her shoe. But aha! An acceptable color! "Will you wear brown, oh my dear, oh my dear? Will you wear brown, Jenny Jenkins? Yes, I'll wear brown, I'll go uptown," And then the chorus. I think the significance of wearing red is that it supplies a rhyme for the song, and nothing further. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Bert Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:49 PM Two, two, the Lily white boys dress them all in green oh ho. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:39 PM Bell bottom trousers, suit of navy blue.... I love a sailor and he loves me too |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Bert Date: 29 Apr 06 - 02:51 PM There's John Henry had a litle woman and the dress that she wore was red She's goin' down the track and she'll never look back going where John Henry lies dead. And - from Foggy Mountain Top When you come around and you're lookin' for me won't you put on your navy blue 'cos that old gray dress that you always wear, it don't do a thing for you. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 29 Apr 06 - 01:44 PM Sweet Willie rose up in the month of May and he decked himself in red, Saying "How, oh how can a man find out if Lady Margot's love is dead?" I believe that the main purpose of the red here is to rhyme with dead, but it does convey the idea that Sweet Willie is not a reliable, conservative kind of guy. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 11:43 AM Voodoo is a Hollywood construct. In contrast 'Vodun' is derived from traditional religions in Nigeria and Benin called Vodun. Religions related to Vodun are Candomble, Lucumi, and Macumba. I know a number of people who are followers of Vodun and have read about that traditional religion and how it changed in the Caribbean, Latin America, and the USA, and have seen how some folks practice it nowadays. I would emphatically say that the Hollywood voodoo films with its stick pins in the voodoo doll images grossly malign this spiritual belief system. That said, I don't believe that there is only one color in Vodun that is associated with death & mourning. Those who are associated with a particular orisha [meaning spirit/force of nature]-{actually those who 'are' that orisha} wear beads and clothing in the specific colors associated with that orisha. However, I understand that followers of vodun {and voodoo} practice sacrificial blood sacrifices {of chickens-not humans. Red is the color of blood. Because of its connection with the color of blood, red is associated with strength, health, and passion. In Vodun, red is most closely associated with the orisha Sango {Shango, Chango} who is said to rule thunder, lightening, and is said to have a violent temper. Sango's colors are fiery red and cooling white. Also, see this website re color/voodoo candles {with the disclaimer that this may or may not be accurate and is probably not the same as traditional or contemporary Vodun religions: http://www.folkart.com/voodooshop/faq-candles.htm |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 11:29 AM Who 'dat yonder dressed in white? Must be Moses of the Israelites. Long Black Veil |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: GUEST,Jim Date: 29 Apr 06 - 11:13 AM Louis Collins Lyrics: Mississippi John Hurt Music: Mississippi John Hurt Mrs Collins weep, Mrs Collins moan What made her son Louis leave his home? Angels laid him away Chorus Angels laid him away Laid him six feet under the clay Angels laid him away Oh kind friends, now ain't it hard To see poor Louis in a new grave yard Angels laid him away [chorus] When they heard that Louis was dead (note 1) All the women folk they dressed in red (note 2) Angels laid him away [chorus] Bob shot one and Louis shot two Shot poor Collins, shot him through and through Angels have laid him away [chorus] Mrs Collins weep, Mrs Collins moan What made her son Louis leave his home? Angels laid him away [chorus] |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 06 - 10:39 AM Take Me Back to Tulsa (Bob Wills) Who's that woman dressed in red? Some folks call her Dinah.... |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: GUEST,Jim Date: 29 Apr 06 - 10:25 AM Leadbelly had a few tunes about red dresses. Ella Speed has the line: "When them gals heard Ella Speed was dead They went on home and re-ragged in red." I read somewhere that red is a mourning colour in the Voodoo religion. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think John Hurt's version of Louis Collins also has a reference to red being used as a mourning colour. In POOR HOWARD Leadbelly sings: "Who's been here since I've been gone? Pretty little gal with a red dress on." |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 10:06 AM Correction: spot-like= spot-light [but you already knew that, right?] Any other typos that I made will have to fend for themselves, poor things. ;o) |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 10:04 AM Oh, are we including children's game songs? Well, here's another one that mentions colors: Mary wore a red dress red dress red dress Mary wore a red dress all day long. Mary is a red bird red bird red bird Mary is a red bird all day long -snip- In this song "red" has no significance beyond the fact that it's a color. THREAD DRIFT: Btw, it appears that most people nowadays think that these game songs are appropriate only for pre-schoolers. But I've found that in the right context, most primary aged girls and boys {5-8 years old] and many older elementary age girls [9-12 years old] and some boys of that age group, really enjoy performing 'show me your motion' game songs. In both of these age groups what I have found is that most children who are selected as the center person use their moment in the spot-like [as it were] to show off social dancing skills. This song [and the one Alba shared above] can be used to teach & reinforce color recognition, develop and reinforcesocial skills such as following directions and taking turns, and develop and reinforce confidence. I hasten to say that when playing these types of games, children who aren't self-confident should absolutely not be required to go into the center of the circle. However, when working with the same group of children over time, and making sure that children don't taunt or tease someone who is reluctant to go into the center of the circle, I have found that some children who were once afraid of being the center of attention, became confortable with that role, and in some occassions, eager to be selected to be the center person. I'm not sure how "Mary Wore A Red Dress" was traditionally played. But, in the co-ed children's groups I conduct with elementary school aged girls and boys, "Mary" is the name of each girl selected, and "Michael" the name of each boy selected. The child in the center does not sing, but moves around the center flapping her or his arms like bird's wings. The color dress [or shirt, if it is a boy] depends on the dominant color that child is wearing. For example, the line could be "Michael wore a blue shirt, blue shirt, blue shirt]. Children forming the circle hold hands and circle counterclockwise while singing the verses. On the words "all day long" the child in the center closes her or his eyes, and covers them with her/his right hand. The child's left arm is extended. While turning in the middle of the circle, on the word "long" the center child points to a child {or adult playing with the children} forming the circle. The person pointed to is the next center person. The former center person immediately rejoins the circle and the song begins again without any break in singing. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: HuwG Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:21 AM "The Flowers in the Valley", by Finbar and Eddie Furey (based on trad). I shan't post the words. I find it one of the most tedious dragged-out finger-in-ear songs it has been my misfortune to hear. "And then came this knooooiiiiiight All clothed in r-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-d" And so on. Six verses, five of which change only the word "red" to "black" or "yellow". (The green knight eventually gets the maiden.) |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Alba Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:20 AM RED VELVET (Ian Tyson) Four months ago in April On a day coach she came down And the dusty Autumn winds begin to blow Should have known I couldn't hold her Living out so far from town And the nights to come are long and slow to go Now she's up and left me Went walking down the line And the dusty Autumn winds begin to blow All dressed up in red velvet And her high-heeled shoes so fine And the nights to come are long and slow to go Well if I'd only known Before we'd kissed You can't keep red velvet On a poor dirt farm like this Now she's up and left me Went walking down the line And the dusty Autumn winds begin to blow I'll sit and count the evening stars As they walk around And the dusty Autumn winds begin to blow And I'll call my dog and take the truck And ride on into town And the nights to come are long and slow to go And those dusty Autumn winds begin to blow Copyright Ian Tyson @parting filename[ REDVELV JP oct97 |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Alba Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:15 AM A game song for Children. Oh, who is wearing [color]? Oh, who is wearing [color]? Please tell me if you can, Oh, who is wearing [color]? Oh, [name] is wearing [color]! Oh, [name] is wearing [color]! That's the color of her [article of clothing], Oh, [name] is wearing [color]! Insert a different name each round. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Leadfingers Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:11 AM You could try a PM to Mr Red !! He even has a Red Caravan to hang on the back of his red car !! |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Alba Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:11 AM WEDDING DRESS Well, my little Doney Gal, don't you guess Better be making your wedding dress Wedding dress, wedding dress Better be making your wedding dress Well, it's already made, trimmed in green Prettiest dress you've ever seen Ever seen, ever seen Prettiest dress you've ever seen Well, it's already made, trimmed in red Stitched and sewed with a golden thread Golden thread, golden thread Stitched and sewed with a golden thread Well, it's already made, trimmed in brown Stitched all around with a golden crown Golden crown, golden crown Stitched all around with a golden crown Well, it's already made, trimmed in white Gonna be married on Saturday night Saturday night, Saturday night Gonna be married on Saturday night Well, she wouldn't say yes and she wouldn't say no All she'd do was sit and sew Sit and sew, sit and sew All she'd do was sit and sew @clothing filename[ WEDRESS JN oct96 |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Alba Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:08 AM DANCING AT WHITSUN (words by John Austin Marshall) It's fifty long springtimes since she was a bride, But still you may see her at each Whitsuntide In a dress of white linen with ribbons of green, As green as her memories of loving. The feet that were nimble tread carefully now, As gentle a measure as age will allow, Through groves of white blossoms, by fields of young corn, Where once she was pledged to her true-love. The fields they stand empty, the hedges grow (go) free-- No young men to turn them or pastures go see (seed) They are gone where the forest of oak trees before Have gone, to be wasted in battle. Down from the green farmlands and from their loved ones Marched husbands and brothers and fathers and sons. There's a fine roll of honor where the Maypole once stood, And the ladies go dancing at Whitsun. There's a straight row of houses in these latter days All covering the downs where the sheep used to graze. There's a field of red poppies (a gift from the Queen) But the ladies remember at Whitsun, And the ladies go dancing at Whitsun. on Bok, Trickett, Muir record. FSI- . Also Redpath Philo and Tim Hart and Maddy Prior on Summer Solstice Copyright John Austin Marshall @war @dance filename[ DNCWHIT TUNE FILE: FLSEBRD2 |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: jacqui.c Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:03 AM Lady in Red. Black Velvet Band. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:57 AM Artist/Band: Morgan Lorrie Lyrics for Song: Something In Red Lyrics for Album: To Get To You - Greatest Hits (Angela Kaset) I'm looking for something in red Something that's shocking to turn someone's head Strapless and sequined and cut down to there Stockings and garters and lace underwear The guaranteed number to knock the men dead I'm looking for something in red I'm looking for something i green Something to out do an ex-high school queen Jealousy comes in the color of jade Do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade And a perfume that whispers "Please comes back to me" I'm looking for something in green I'm looking for something in white Something that shimmers in soft candlelight Everyone calls us the most perfect pair Should I wear a vail or a rose in my hair Well,the train must be long and the waist must be tight I'm looking for something in white I'm looking for something in blue Something real tiny,the baby's brand new He has his father's nose and his chin We once were hot lovers now we're more like friends Don't tell me that's just what old married folk do I'm looking for something in blue I'm looking for something in red Like the one that I wore when I first turned his head Strapless and sequined and cut down to there Just a size larger that I wore last year The guaranteed number to knock the nam dead I'm looking for something I've gotta have something I'm looking for something in red Source: http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/morgan-lorrie/something-in-red-3598.html |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:53 AM Some common verses to the African American spiritual "Wade in the Water" include color references: Wade in the water Wade in the water, children, Wade in the water God's a-going to trouble the water See that host all dressed in white God's a-going to trouble the water The leader looks like the Israelite God's a-going to trouble the water See that band all dressed in red God's a-going to trouble the water Looks like the band that Moses led God's a-going to trouble the water -snip- I believe that these verses refer to different religious groups that are represented by a specific color. In this instance, red is a symbol of life and white a symbol of spiritual purity. There is historical & present day documentation that in certain African American [post emancipation]religious denominations women wear certain colored dresses or robes. Wearing certain colored clothing is an intregal part of traditional {if not contemporary} African religious beliefs and practices. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Phil Cooper Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:53 AM Check out the country hit "Something in Red" sung by Lorrie Morgan. I'm not sure who the songwriter was. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: mack/misophist Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:50 AM "White is the colour of our virgin queen, "But many a harlot's dressed in scarlet." The idea has been around a while. |
Subject: RE: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:36 AM Here's an example of red from an R&B song: HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS [excerpt] Put on your red dress, baby Ya know we're goin' out tonight Put on your red dress, baby Lord, we're goin' out tonight And-a bring along some boxin' gloves In case some fool might wanna fight -snip- Imo, "red" here symbolizes physical attractiveness, and sexual energy, and passion. I believe it also symbolizes a woman's willingness to share that sexual energy and passion with someone else. |
Subject: Wearing Red-or another color From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:21 AM What songs can you think of that include a line or lines about a woman [or-it seems, less often a man] wearing red clothes? And what-if anything-is the significance of that color in that specific song? Also, what songs can you think of that include a line or lines about people wearing clothes of another color? And what-if anything-is the significance of that color in that specific song? |
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