BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: dianavan
Date: 02 May 06 - 12:42 AM

I think you're right six.

Canada also has big business and corruption in government but we manage to stay positive about the big picture (most of the time).

I also think that Canadians have more to be proud of.

You're right - we need to expand the gene pool and maybe we can encourage another 'brain drain'. I don't know any immigrants who have any regrets about settling in Canada.

In Vancouver, we are crying for skilled trades people. If you are in the building trades, you will have a job waiting for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: tarheel
Date: 02 May 06 - 01:10 AM

well...where is a RONALD REAGAN,when we need him?
i remember the AIR CONTROLLERS strike(or boycott) during the Reagan Adminstration days and the Greatest President of our time Fired Them all!!!
Gee,we really miss you Ronnie!
Tar...

BTW,did you notice how easy it was to TRAVEL on the roads today?
hmmmm,maybe they should stay home every day!!!
tar...

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 May 06 - 01:31 AM

Okay, can anyone think of any better way to provide exposure to the sentiments expressed on someone's tee-shirt than to publicly ban him from wearing it? Instead of a couple of thousand people seeing the shirts worn by that band, the fool who banned them has guaranteed that several million people will be exposed not only to the shirts' message, but to the extremes to which supporters of that message's target are willing to go prevent it's being seen.   

Yep, that's lizard brained thinking all right. Get angry, react instinctively, don't worry about the consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bert
Date: 02 May 06 - 02:06 AM

...Suppress Dissent in America...

It seems from all these threads about censorship on Mudcat we need to get our own house in order.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 06 - 07:42 AM

B-W-L, the point here is do it on a street corner or in a venue the band is paying for. Not a combination public/private sector.

Anti Dem or anti Repub, their actions shows bad judgement on the part of the band. To get down to a level where all can understand, one can pee in their own back yard, simply stay out of mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 May 06 - 07:59 AM

Very good comment, Bert!

Sorry, I will not be moving to Canada. Nice place, but living here is just perfect for me.

So, what do you think the Cubs will do today, gang?

What's your game, bobert? Looks like it's called whining about something every day. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 06 - 09:01 AM

No MG ... I certainly wouldn't expect you to move here ... thanks for the comment regarding Canada though ... but if you ever get to the point of jumping ship ... do consider moving here.

How about those Boston Red Sox !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 02 May 06 - 05:12 PM

6, why would you care about the Red sox?

You still have 1 team left in Canada, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:13 PM

I've been a fan of the Sox since I was a kid, before any Canadian teams were around ... plus I dislike the city of Toronto. I should also note there is strong historical connection between Saint John and Boston.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:15 PM

Oh, yeah? what's the connection?

Amos and me want to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:25 PM

Why do you want to know?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bobert
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:37 PM

Because Martin is in the process of highjacking yet another anti-Bush thread...

Nuhtin' more 'n nuhtin less...

Normal...

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:41 PM

I wonder ... know one cares the least about Saint John, let alone know it exists. Just a town lost in the fog, lost in time.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 06 - 11:12 PM

THe idea that college students wearing one or another tee-shirt constitutes "peeing in one's back yard" is simply ludicrous.

Suppress the young from voicing their thoughts and you will raise a generation of compliant and robotic citizens with a lot of anger bottled up within. It is the kind of obsessive control and intolerance I would expect of a dictator, or a wannabe dictator. A shopping mall manager? Oh, come on. Local Public Mental Hygeine Officer? Sheeeeshe!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: number 6
Date: 02 May 06 - 11:17 PM

Suppressing the young from voicing their dessent .... it's healthy, it encourages them to rebel, to question, provides incentive for them to make changes from the mistakes we made. It worked for us, for a period of time at least.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 May 06 - 08:00 AM

6, the connection between Saint John and Boston.

bobert and I want to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: number 6
Date: 03 May 06 - 12:56 PM

Why would you guys want to know?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: dianavan
Date: 03 May 06 - 01:59 PM

Saint John and Boston?

Shipbuilding?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:05 PM

Amos, we were not discussing protest by college students. All campi have areas set aside for that. The band was hired, it was not a forum for protest but for entertainment. No indicators were given regarding any form of protest which would have provided those attending a choice.

Like I said, street corners are fine, rent a hall or get an approved facility. You are entitled to your views, I am entitled to my choice on listening or not. Is that not a simple concept?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:22 PM

GUEST @ 02 May 06 - 07:42 AM,

My point was not that the venue manager was wrong in her decision, just that it was short-sighted. Yes, if the band was being paid and was under contract to them, the management had a right to call the shots. But, the manager had insufficient foresight to see that her actions were going to blow up in her face. She would have been much better off to just let the kids' shirts piss off a handful of Bush supporters than to let her own actions piss of millions of people.

If she had complaints from audience members, she should have said, "Look, if I throw these kids off stage now, pictures of them wearing those shirts will be on the front page of tomorrow morning's paper and all over the Internet a few hours later. Don't you realize that's probably exactly what they want?"

Obviously, the woman never had any children of her own.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 06 - 12:02 PM

Subject: Protester Arrested

Uppity Cleveland woman carted to psych hospital by police and ordered
to a psych unit by judge
For as long as we have had some kind of mental health system, women
who "behave incorrectly" have been ordered to undergo its treatments.
At one time or another, feminists, suffragists, menopausal women, and
women who question authority in any way have been sent to
institutions so that they could recieve "help." The latest woman to
get such help is Carol Fisher of Cleveland. Fisher is on the staff of
Revolution Books, and on January 28, while she was putting Bush Step
Down posters on telephone polls in Cleveland Heights, she was ordered
by a police officer to take them down or face a fine. When she
complied, she was asked for her ID, which she did not have on her. He
then grabbed her by the arm, pushed her against a store window, and
knocked her face down onto the sidewalk. He was joined by another
officer, and they both pressed their feet against her back until she
could not breathe. Her chin was pressed down into the concrete;
Fisher has osteoradionecrosis in her jaw from radiation treatments
for cancer.

Fisher was handcuffed and shackled. During this time, Fisher yelled
out to everyone who passed what the posters were about. One of the
police officers then told her, Fisher says, to "Shut up or I will
kill you! I am sick of this anti-Bush shit! You are definitely going
to the psyche ward."

She was then threatened some more and taken away in an EMS truck. At
the hospital, Fisher was asked to undress in front of the police
officers, which she refused to do. The officers refused to leave, so
a nurse attempted to shield her while she undressed. Fisher says she
was then cuffed to the bed, given an IV of some sort, and made to
wait hours for a psychiatrist to interview her. By this time, members
of her World Can't Wait group were in the emergency room having a
confrontation with the police, who refused to let them see Fisher.
Someone called the news media, who never made an appearance.

Fisher was eventually released and sent home. On May 2, she went to
court and was found guilty of two counts of felonious assault of two
police officers. The prosecution's "witnesses" had not seen the
alleged assault; rather, they claimed that Fisher lacked respect for
authority. It took a jury more than eight hours to find her guilty.
According to a letter to the editor of The Free Press, the
prosecution misquoted Fisher's testimony and gave the jury incorrect
information about the city's arrestable offenses. When asked to
clarify the law, the judge refused.

As part of the pre-sentencing procedure, the judge, Timothy McGinty,
had Fisher undergo a state psychological exam. He had already
surmised publicly that Fisher must be mentally unstable to resist
arrest. McGinty then declared her "delusional," and on May 9, ordered
her to be incarcerated in psychiatric unit of the Cuyahoga County
Jail in downtown Cleveland, where she now sits and waits; she could
face a three-year prison sentence. According to Mark Crispin Miller,
who has spoken with Fisher by telephone, Fisher has also been placed
on suicide watch, has had her eyeglasses taken from her, and--if she
refuses to take the psyche exam--she will be sent to North Coast
Mental Institute for a 20-day evaluation.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2006/05/
uppity_clevelan.html

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Brownshirts, Unite! You have nothing to lose but your decency!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 13 May 06 - 02:26 PM

Hmmmm...

Article found in a liberal blog.


Yeah...it's believable.(sigh)

As for supressing dissent?

Try standing up for the truth instead of making yourselves look so ridiculous stating the same false things over and over. You are, evidently, weak enough to start believing these things by just continuously repeating yourself.

It's a funny thing about truth, however.

Truth is made from fact. Not something that you want to be true so bad that you convince yourself into believing that it's true.

The truth isn't being suppressed at all. The last time I checked, however, defamation and libel were still considered against the law.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 06 - 02:31 PM

Hub:

If you find the story I posted lacks credibility, why not post a rebuttal in fact instead of a lot of steamed up, brown-tinted rhetoric?

The issue is not the truth or the lack of truth in the protester's position. It was the fact that Bushites suppressed her right to free expression and used an abuse of mental health institutions to do so.

I would ask you to find evidence for your vague assertions that there is something untrue about the story.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: dianavan
Date: 13 May 06 - 04:27 PM

Hubby - Wake up!

For those of you who are appalled at the actions of the police, prosecutor and judge, here is the address. Write him and tell him what you think of this arrest and the trial.

http://www.cleveland.com/printer/printer.ssf?/education/nie/justice/ask.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 May 06 - 04:39 PM

Amos,

Having lived through the McCarthy period of the Fifties, supression of speech is nothing new. John Adams was responsible for it in his day and perhaps that it's being challenged today may be a good thing in that it will wake people up.

Free speech is a right not just for the wealthy. Cindy Sheehan needs to be supported as one of the sane voices in the babbling cacaphony
of propaganda.

She not only has the right but the duty to speak out and I'm grateful that she does. I was once a Democrat but I will not support any candidate that will not speak out against the American occupation of Iraq. This means that I can't really call myself a Democrat any longer.

it seems to be a historical pattern that peacemakers are trashed by fearful opponents who have a warlike agenda.

Go Cindy!!!

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: GUEST,Bobert at sister-in-law's house
Date: 13 May 06 - 09:14 PM

Hmmmmmm, Hubster... Seems it is yer boys who have been the ones caught telling all the lies...

(But, Bobert, Bush says that he didn't know he was lieing...)

Tell it to the judge... In this case the judge is the Amercian people and if the polls are anywhere close only 33% of Americans still believe the guy... That mean that 2 out of 3 don't...

Yet, you will try the Karl Rove trick of blaming the honest folks who, BTW, were 100% correct in the lead up to the war and Bush was 100% wrong, as being the folks that don't telll the truth???

Is this yer final answer, Hub???

_______ Yes

_______ No

Are you on Bush's payroll, 'er what, "cuase the only thing that I can think of that would make someone so blind would be money, bad liquir, drugs or wild womenz.... 'Er maybe all four...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 14 May 06 - 03:03 PM

"I was once a Democrat but I will not support any candidate that will not speak out against the American occupation of Iraq. This means that I can't really call myself a Democrat any longer."


I'm sure the mainstream democrats thank you. Your type is what's giving the democrats a bad name.




"The issue is not the truth or the lack of truth in the protester's position."

Thank you, Amos, for clearing that up. You finally admitted that it doesn't matter what the truth is as long as somebody says it. Admitting it is the first step to recovery my friend.

If you will read the story, no background was ever given for this woman. We don't know if she has a mental problem from the past. She may very well have one. Just because it doesn't say that she didn't resist in some form or fashion doesn't mean that she didn't.

It's just as in the case with a friend of mine.

After his divorce, he met up with a girl that we went to high school with. She lived in Austin and they started a long distance relationship. She was taking care of her sick grandmother and when they put her into a nursing home, my friend helped her and her children move to North Texas and they moved in together. After living together for about a year, my friend realized that he hadn't had enough time to get over his divorce from his ex-wife of eight years. She too, was not happy in the relationship. He moved out. A month later, the girl tells him that she's two months pregnant with his child. So instead of marrying a girl that he knew that he didn't love, he told her that he would do the right thing and support his child in any way that he could. He paid her rent, paid her utilities, went with her to the doctor's office and is now monetarily supporting the child.

Now if this was worthy to be a news story written by today's media or even by some in here, here's what it would sound like:

"North Texas:
A north Texas man, who found a former classmate in Austin, started dating her and moved her away from family that loved her in the Austin area. After living with her for a year in the north Texas area, he got her pregnant and then left her."

Now in two sentences, even though it's factually accurate, does not give the whole story and makes my friend look like a jackass even though he is one the nicest guys that you could ever meet. It does not give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It plays upon preconceived notions and prejudices that are already formed in the intended audiences mind.

So in other words, there's probably a lot more to this story than what's being written. I'd be interested to know the whole story before I could jump to the conclusion that anything has been suppressed.

So your evidence, at best, is very, very weak.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 May 06 - 06:07 PM

Go see the film "Sophie Scholl".

See if it reminds you of anything or anyone.

Particularly the gent in the red robes.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 15 May 06 - 04:22 PM

Well, Hubster, you sure have not lost the art of spin. You twisted what I said right around and made it come out backwards, like a man swallowing a chicken feet first.

Just to set the record straight, the truth or lack thereof that is not germane is the content of the protestor's position. She was expressing an opinion.

The truth of the story is VERY important. You find it lacks credibility, but you fail to say why.

You simply assert at length that distortion in the press is possible, which I do not disagree with at all.

I don't care whether you assume the story is flawed or you assume it is mainly true. That's your lookout. But don't be twisting my words around like that.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bobert
Date: 15 May 06 - 07:36 PM

Well, Amos, as long as the Hubster is attacking you, the messenger, and not the message you can rest asuured that Hub knows in his heart that he knows he's playin' a very weak hand... Very weak... So weak that everyone else at the table can now see the sweatbeads on his forehead...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 16 May 06 - 12:23 AM

I didn't twist anything, Amos. You posted the story. At the end, this was your message...


"Brownshirts, Unite! You have nothing to lose but your decency!"


With that little remark, are you trying to say that you don't care whether or not the story is true and are just using the "thought" behind the story to prove your point or do you actually believe the story is as just as it appears to be without knowing firsthand any history behind the parties involved?

With the brownshirts remark, it looks as if you take it to be the honest truth without prejudice.

If that's the case, I wrote a bestseller that stayed on the NY Times best seller list for many weeks in a row. Would you like to buy all of the remaining copies?

The only distortion here is you trying to pass this story off as proof of some "sinister plan" being cooked up by the current administration to attempt to suppress anyone's free speech who doesn't agree with their policy.


Stick to facts. Even though you're pretty good, don't try to exalt yourself to "Dan Rather" status just yet.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 06 - 12:48 AM

I took the story at face value.

Apparently you have reasons for not doing so. You still haven't said what thy are, in particular.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 May 06 - 01:52 PM

But didja see the film?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 06 - 03:15 PM

Mark Crispin Miller adds information on the case in an article entitled "Stalinism in Ohio". An interesting read.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 06 - 03:17 PM

The lady's own account of what occurred can be read on this page.

Anyone still want to suggest this is a fruadulent or imaginary report?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 16 May 06 - 05:11 PM

Nowhere did I say that this is a fraudulent or an imaginary report.

I'm just pointing out the fact that because of your blind hatred of the current administration, you're willing to believe any report slanted from anyone's POV as long as it helps you to support your point.

Equally as important as that, you and others around here are quick to dismiss any good news offered up to you about the economy or the war or anything else as "propaganda" from a "corrupt aministration".

Talk about the blind leading the blind.

Ask anyone who's had a run in with the police. I'm sure you won't find a person anywhere guilty of anything or at least willing to admit to it. Hell, it could have happened exactly the way that she described. But on the flip side, there may be a lot of stuff making her look like a complete idiot that she is pretending like it never even happened.

Taking things like this at face value and then making stupid statements like you made at the end is really the same as building your house upon the sand.

You're like my friend that had just been dumped and was on the rebound. You'd be willing to jump into the car with anybody if they would just smile and look your way.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 May 06 - 05:19 PM

So far I have yet to see any news or a rebuttal of the woman's story by any of the involved. So that leads me to think that no one is denying that the woman what she says she did. The only question here is weither or not her subsequent treatment was called for. She posted a politcial opinion on a telephone pole & she wore a t-shirt that made a politcial statement on it. Did any of this, first warrant an arrest, I see no difference in her action than if she had posted directions to a yard sale. If an arrest warrant was not called for than all actions following this incident are not relevent. Actions if this was an arrestable offence do not demand a psych evaluation without a reasonable cause. A display on a t-shirt is not a reasonable cause as "per the law" for an arrest or for an evaluation. It sounds more that, at least until otherwise explained be the police & the court, there should be a law suit pending against the police department & a court inquiery as to weither the judge is fit to continue sitting on the bench. The people & the law should not have to be subject to this kind of treatment because they have politcial opinions of any sort. This is a disgrace to America.
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 06 - 06:36 PM

Hub:

This thread is not about this administration, but about the sad-sack knee-jerk mobthinkers who elected it, and who in their passion for it are willing to throw so many important principles to one side in order to act out their version of right thinking. Far right.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 06 - 07:53 PM

Ummm, where is all this good news, anyway, Hub??? You say the economy is good??? For whom, might I ask??? Sho nuff ain't good fir tghe average guy on the street... Oh, jobs are getting created, you say??? Great... Where did the good jobs go that cretaed theese new and unimporoved lousy jobs??? And who ever it is in the Buish administartion who says that inflation ain't a factor is on serious drugs... Ask any working man... Yeah, where's the good news, Hub...

Oh, you say that the good news in Iraq??? Since when is a danged civil war good news???

Really, Hubby... Exactly where is all this good news??? Unless yer a member of the corrupt upper 2% who, admittedly, are doing just fine...

Yeah, tell us again under which rock yopu are hiding all this good news...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 16 May 06 - 08:16 PM

"So far I have yet to see any news or a rebuttal of the woman's story by any of the involved."

That's exactly my point, Barry. I've never even heard of this woman's troubles until Amos dug it out of some-left wing blog. I haven't seen it on any of the news programs that are just waiting with baited breath for the next bomb to explode in Iraq to show "proof" that we're losing the war. It hasn't even made the political talk show route, that I've heard anyway. If this is an actual "true" story and happened exactly the way that it was left on the blog, I could almost guarantee that it would have made it to the mainstream.

Amos presents it as gospel and a sign of suppression.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 May 06 - 09:07 PM

I don't expect you'll be hearing much on this "story to be buried" either. Wrong, that was not my point. My point is that I HAVE seen a decent bit on this story & none of it seems to support the actions taken by the police department or the court, claiming any reasons justifing their actions other than she's a woman whose not in favor of the present right wing mind set that, it seems that the so called athorities are in favor of. Justice is supposed to be blind & so far in this case Justice is being raped & weither or not she's blinded it is apparent. That is my point, and until I see otherwise I have no reason to see it as anything but what it is.
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 06 - 10:19 PM

Yeah, Hub, dinn't thinkl you had any answers fir my questions about just where to look fir the good news...

Here its been a couple of hours and you ain't come up with no good news...

Hmmmmmm???

Maybe there ain't no good news, after all...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 16 May 06 - 10:39 PM

Bobert,

Until you can intelligently contribute something to the conversation, please refrain from showing how unprepared you are to talk with the big boys.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 06 - 09:23 AM

That's right, Bubby, if it aint splashed all over Fox "News"[sic], it can't be true.

Who is it again that's "blind"?

Pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 May 06 - 09:46 AM

http://www.cleveland.com/sun/sunpress/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1146761088116210.xml&coll=3


NO mention on CNN, ABC, NBC, or other mainstream media. 10,000+ entries on Leftist media and blogs, so the story is not being "surpressed."
Note the conviction for assulting police, NOT posting anything.

There is more to this story than the person accused is saying. IMO

As someone accused of being a "Bushite", I have made no attempt to surpress dissent in America- thus the title of this thread is false and insulting to me.

Subject: RE: BS:SOME Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 17 May 06 - 10:05 AM

From her description of having her face pressed into the concrete, it is hard to imagine anyone believes this 56 year old woman assaulted the police.

As for the title, BB, the use of plural nouns does not automatically indicate "all"; it can equally well indicate "some", as in "Scientists Discover Cats Like to Swim".

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 May 06 - 10:12 AM

Amos,

"From her description of having her face pressed into the concrete,..."

And from others decriptions? I have been criticised for NOT having read the Far Left view of things, but can you present ANY mainstream version? ANYTHING from other than Left sources that have a point to score? If not, will YOU agree to accept a story that ONLY conservative sources are presented for as the absolute truth- and if not, explain just why you are so narrowminded and bigoted?


"As for the title, BB, the use of plural nouns does not automatically indicate "all"; it can equally well indicate "some", as in "Scientists Discover Cats Like to Swim"."

Agreed- so I can count on you to get those people who object to my title " Liberal Hate" off my back about the title?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Amos
Date: 17 May 06 - 10:28 AM

I am inclined to agree that BOTH our titles could have been better chosen. Why don't you start a thread called "Liberal Loves" and make a study of the things that liberals seem to really delight in.

Here are a few, from my liberal perspective:

1. Free and open communications revealing bright ideas.
2. Human compassion showing itself in efficient actions.
3. Innovative enterprise succeeding without being suffocated by established enterprise.
4.   Courageous truth telling having postive effects.
5. Creative and positive solutions to problems that bring about win-win conditions.
6.   Moments when human tolerance, mutual respect and individual dignity are manifested.
7.    Instances of individuals enjoying privacy, freedom of and from religion, the right to vote and freedom of expression.
8.    Sustainable agriculture and renewable resources intelligently applied for maximumbenefit.

I am sure there are many more.

If you want to know what liberals hate, they are:

1. Demagoguery
2. Public officials catering to private interest for personal gain, also known as corruption.
3. Enforced conformancy to ideas.
4. Falsification of reality for personal gain or political manipulation.
5. Underhanded PR phrases which try to make you think the untrue is true and the true is untrue.
6. The unnecessary exercise of violence against humans.
7. The unnecessary use of violence against other species of animals and plants.
8. Unthinking rapine of resources.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 May 06 - 11:33 AM

"If you want to know what liberals hate, they are:

1. Demagoguery
2. Public officials catering to private interest for personal gain, also known as corruption.
3. Enforced conformancy to ideas.
4. Falsification of reality for personal gain or political manipulation.
..."


Ain't NO liberals here on Mudcat, then... 1,3,4 all over the place.

Unless they are self-hating.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America
From: Bobert
Date: 17 May 06 - 12:11 PM

Still awaiting the good news, Hubby...

And just who are the "big boys" anyway??? Like the deep thinkers who have gotten our country so screwed up??? Or just the one's on the take???