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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: tarheel Date: 02 May 06 - 01:10 AM well...where is a RONALD REAGAN,when we need him? i remember the AIR CONTROLLERS strike(or boycott) during the Reagan Adminstration days and the Greatest President of our time Fired Them all!!! Gee,we really miss you Ronnie! Tar... BTW,did you notice how easy it was to TRAVEL on the roads today? hmmmm,maybe they should stay home every day!!! tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: dianavan Date: 02 May 06 - 12:42 AM I think you're right six. Canada also has big business and corruption in government but we manage to stay positive about the big picture (most of the time). I also think that Canadians have more to be proud of. You're right - we need to expand the gene pool and maybe we can encourage another 'brain drain'. I don't know any immigrants who have any regrets about settling in Canada. In Vancouver, we are crying for skilled trades people. If you are in the building trades, you will have a job waiting for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: number 6 Date: 02 May 06 - 12:04 AM Sure .... I'll invite anyone who wants to live a more positive life here ... especially in Maritime Canada. But specifically ones who grumble hourly about the suppressive government of Bush. Hell, who in their right mind wants to live in the U.S. now. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: dianavan Date: 01 May 06 - 11:58 PM Are you inviting Martin to move to Canada? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: number 6 Date: 01 May 06 - 11:44 PM For Christ Sakes quit your whining and move to Canada ... maybe then ya can live with a positive attitude. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Bobert Date: 01 May 06 - 11:14 PM "Bushites Suppress Dissent in America" Here in Mudville, we just have the usual distraction. like the ever dfistracting Martin "the distractor" Gibson with yet aother of his little mindless trickery.... This is yet another way that Bushites suppress dissent... They try trivialize it... Won't work, Marty... Too many folks are on to you, yer games and yer guy... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Amos Date: 01 May 06 - 11:13 PM Well, now, Martin is absolutely right. Going through a day being positive is far better than whining and being negative. I am all for that. 'Course, being positive about destroying things is kinda weird. And being negative about insane policies is probably not, itself, negative, if you see what I mean. But hell, that's not the situation here, is it? Hell, we got us a good boy in the saddle, the buck is up, the troubles are all in furrin places, and we got the best damn indigenous music on the planet which is full of good vibes. So I guess, hell, things ain't so bad. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 11:01 PM Cubs just won 2-1 against Pittsburgh. Great pitching tonight. Is liking baseball to patriotic? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Bobert Date: 01 May 06 - 10:58 PM Opps.... Yo, sIx.... Luray is 100 miles southwest of Washington, D.C.... Grab a flight to DC (Dulles) on Friday, the 12th, I'll pick ya' up, put ya' up at the house Friday night, then Saturday you'll meet the band and hear us do outr thing, which is gonna be some hot North Mississipppi Hillstomp/Delta Blues, an' have ya back at the airport early Sunday mornin' on my way back up to Maryland to attned (horrors) an all day long garden tour with the P-Vine.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 10:58 PM My rabbi said I was a good Jew, bobert, so you are trumped and meaningless. The dixie Chicks still get plenty of airplay and I am glad. they are great singers and musicians. And bobert, Waylon did a great patriotic tribute in a song called "America." You should listen to it sometime instead of trying to put words in a dead man's mouth like a moron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Bobert Date: 01 May 06 - 10:39 PM Well, well, well... If anyone ever needed proff that Martin's journey to Europe would make him more enlightened, or intellegent, his above post I'd like to enter as "Exhibit A" that that sho nuff didn't happen... Actually, sIx, if Waylon were still kickin', I don't think he'd be on the Bush bandwagon... The Dixie Chicks sho nuff ain't... Willie Nelson ain't... Maybe that's why these folks don't get a lot of play time on ClearChannelCountryRadio... It was ClearChannel that went after the Dixie Ckickes tooth and nail and used their 1300 radio stations accross America to use the public airwaves, which we supposedly ****all**** own to slam them and the next day there were CD smashings in the streets "Clear" accross America... Can anyone explain to me why what ClearChannel di to the Dixie Chicks is any different from what the brownshirts di in Germany 60 some years ago... And for the record, Martin, if you are indeed a Jew and have any sense of history here, you are a lousy Jew... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: number 6 Date: 01 May 06 - 09:57 PM Wayland ... I sit here corrected ... thank you MG. True about Bluegrass. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 09:40 PM It's Waylon, not Wayland, 6 And you know why that music is popular? It is because it is the way a lot of people really feel. And actually, I am quite glad that they are positive types of people instead of negative whiners like the far-left whiny bobert types. It's much easier to get through a day being positive you know. Being negative and whiny and worried usually leads to depression I would think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: number 6 Date: 01 May 06 - 09:22 PM Well, being a Canadian living in the Maritimes I can be honest and say I have been to none ... except for a few Bluegrass festivals and our weekly jams... that's about as close to good 'ol country I get here. Bluegrass is totally void of politics and negative shit .. which is one of the reasons I like it. But when you stated (my interpation anyway) that country music is all about rednecks kicking Arab butt and all, I thought of Willie Nelson, Wayland jennings, The Dixies Chicks and Steve Earl. Where's Luray Bobert? sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 09:17 PM bobert, some Arabs are our enemy. al quaida is, but you obviously deny that. And so what if people feel patriotic? That's what's wrong with dirtbags like you. Criticizing people who want to feel good about some things in this country and being loyal to it no matter what. Instead of pointing fingers and criticizing people who do so. Ever been to a blues concert? A lot of people on welfare. There, I can make generalizations also, except in my case, it's probably true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: beardedbruce Date: 01 May 06 - 09:16 PM Amos, The motivation, Amos, in many comments here on Mudcat, has been to suppress an expression of agreement with Bush. BTW, where are your favorable comments about the Bush Sudan policy? Or will you ONLY point out when you disagree with Bush, and never give him credit for doing something right? And immigration? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Bobert Date: 01 May 06 - 09:12 PM How many of 'um you been to, sIx... In the last year I've played at at least half a dozen "festivals", an' I've been surrounded with these folks... I've heard the songs and the talk... I have two choices... Don't play or play... If you don't believe me, come on down to the "Festival of Spring" on Luray, Va. on May 13th where I'm booked to play... All I can hope for is to reach a couple kids who come up to me after our performance and wanta learn more 'bout acoustic country blues which, in turn, will open their eyes to some fo the "other" politics... But if I go rantin' on stage, I won't get future opportunities to reach a couple of kids... Meanwhile the redneck bands can say whatever they want... Yeah, they can make the jokes about the "intellectuals"... Haha... Didn't Hitler make jokes about "intellectuals", too??? I'm not gettin' on you, sIx, 'cause yer a purdy cool sIx, but lets get real here... Bobert (alias Sidewalk Bob & the Pedestrians, in case anyone is coming to Luray and don't want to miss our performance...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Amos Date: 01 May 06 - 08:50 PM The motivation, Bruce, in this incident, was to suppress an expression of disagreement with Bush. There's no question that wearing a teeshirt the has an interdiction symbol around the President;'s face is a form of dissent with the current administration. However, I do not see you going around suppressing dissent, so obviously it is not the case that "any and all Bushites suppress dissent". However, the pattern of Bushites suppressing dissent has recurred often enough to make it a valid topic, imho. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: beardedbruce Date: 01 May 06 - 08:28 PM Amos, So the management of the place of performance are "Bushites", and anything they object to is "dissent". Know I understand. The title of the thread would lead one to believe this was the action of some organized group. As an accused member of that group, I was wondering who I had suppressed recently. Perhaps you need to make your accusations a little more specific. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: number 6 Date: 01 May 06 - 08:24 PM "Been to a country and western concert lately" ... not all of them are singin what you say they are singin Bobert. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Bobert Date: 01 May 06 - 08:21 PM First of all, unless I'm playin' at a protest ralley, I don't ever bring up politics in my performances... It is disrespectfull but... with that said, hey, lets gets friggin' real here... Been to a country and western concert lately... Folks singin' about blowin' up Arabs and folks waving the flag and folks going way over-board wityh all the sappy references to patriotism and supporting the troops and bad mouthin' those "intellectuals" that the Bush's have made their family fight song for three decades now... I mean, let's put this thing in some kinda perspective here... Progressives don't even go to these 3chord circle jerks because they know they don't need to be at these indoctrination concerts... So when a bunch of Indie Band kids get booted for taking the opposing side, yeah, it bothers me that the washrag crybaby neocons get their way and have them pulled... How do you spell hypocrisy anyway??? Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: number 6 Date: 01 May 06 - 07:57 PM Do I value my right to free speech .... yup And with that simple one word answer i have expressed by right to do so, along with everyone else who has posted to this thread, regardless of what they had to say. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: katlaughing Date: 01 May 06 - 07:38 PM Bottom line of this thread is simply "Do you value your right to free speech?" If so, discuss it and be damn glad you are able to freely do so. Thanks, again, Amos, for starting this and for your cogent responses. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST Date: 01 May 06 - 06:55 PM Richard, who said those sources were left wing? It was simply stated they were not representative of BOTH sides of the political spectrum. Sorry if a nerve was struck. Your statement that the BBC is balanced tells a lot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 May 06 - 06:32 PM "Slate, BBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc" - these are regarded as left-wing? Do me a favour! The BBC has had a world-wide reputation for balanced reportage since well before the USA had any idea what "unbiased" meant. On a global scale, NYT and Washington Post come nowhere near socialist, much less left-wing. What is "Slate"? Does it have any non-US presence? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Amos Date: 01 May 06 - 05:54 PM I do use Slate and the other sources you mention, mostly because they strike me as articulate and intelligent. I also read the Post, the WSJ, the Christian Science Monitor, and excerpts via Google News from all over, including some of the most rabid right-wing gibberish you could possibly imagine. I am biased toward those voices which use creative rhetoric rather than the crude and barbarian Slander Direct as a means of expressing their perspective. Friedman, Dowd and their fellows at the NY Times meet this criterion of creative communication a lot more than, say, Limbaugh or Hannidy do. There are certain things about conservatism that I respect and appreciate, when it is practiced, but the ranting reactionary version of imperialism that is voiced by some characters in the pundit world is not of that stamp. I prefer people who communicate thought; for example, Doug R and Bearded Bruce often make that effort. By the way, President Bush recently said something I found genyuinely funny at the Press awards conference he went to. He said he was feeling greatly relieved, because he had survived the White House shake-up. I think this is the first time I ever laughed with him instead of at him. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,G Date: 01 May 06 - 04:35 PM It is probably not possible to "get the big picture". However, early every morning I read the NY Times/Post, the Washington Post/Times, whatever new stuff the Times mag might have along with US News/World Report and every Liberals favorite, National Review. Then I try to decide what might be transpiring. NO TV news for a year now, none, and stay away from idiots like Jerry Springer on Air America and Shaun Hannity. Just a few weeks ago, I was marveling over the dramtic increase in my ability to detect addtional flavors in food stuffs. (Increased intensity) I first gave credit to being over the pangs of a bad marriage and elongated divorce. Then, I overheard someone say that they felt better since they stopped watching network news. (also local for me) Who knows? ( Think I will go with the latter) I have yet to have anyone really tell what benefits they derive from it. Includes CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Wesley S Date: 01 May 06 - 04:20 PM G - What sources do YOU suggest for getting the big picture ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,G Date: 01 May 06 - 04:18 PM Amos, I could not agree more with regard to "gaining new insight". More than 90% of yours come the same sources; Slate, BBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. Not exactly paragons of both sides of the political spectrum. Try lectures, reading both admitted right and left wing sources while trying to maintain an objective view.....ah, never mind....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Wesley S Date: 01 May 06 - 04:12 PM Amos - I doubt there will ever come a day when young rock bands will stop wearing T-shirts protesting something/anything. And if that ever happens we can say goodbye to freedom of speech. If the supporters of "Shrub" ever try to supress all of the dissent they will have their work cut out for them. If they were smart - and they're not - they would just ignore them and pretend everything is peachy keen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Amos Date: 01 May 06 - 04:07 PM (Sigh) Nattering nabobs of nondiscrimination, this is not a thread about Popular Views of the Bush Administration. This is a different thread. It is on a different subject, about a cultural degradation which is occurring widely and which undermines the vitality and flexibility and inherent strength of this country, and to which reactionary oppressors of open communication, like yourselves, are contributing by shouting for the suppression of dialogue. To be able to see differences between things which are different is to gain new insight into the real and present world. Try it sometime. It beats stuck pictures and Being Right at All Costs any day of the week. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,Martin gibson Date: 01 May 06 - 03:06 PM why do we have another amos Bush thread? He has one giant one already. This thread should be closed or combined with his other anti-Bush thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,Martin gibson Date: 01 May 06 - 03:06 PM Cubs On deck: Pirates at Cubs May 1, 2006 Tonight: 7:05, Comcast SportsNet, 720-AM. Victor Santos (1-4, 6.48 ERA) vs. Sean Marshall (2-0, 4.22). Tuesday: 1:20 p.m., Ch. 9, 720-AM. Zach Duke (1-2, 4.50) vs. Angel Guzman (0-0, 5.40). The story line: The Cubs need to dominate the lowly Pirates before beginning a nine-game trip to Arizona, San Diego and San Francisco. The Cubs won two of three in Pittsburgh on April 14-16, but Duke beat them 2-1. Marshall and Santos also hooked up in that series, with Marshall an 11-6 winner. Guzman has to show more control of the strike zone in his second big-league start. Mike Kiley |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,Martin gibson Date: 01 May 06 - 03:05 PM Ahy do we have another amos Bush thread? He has one giant one already. This thread should be closed or combined with his other anti-Bush thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: katlaughing Date: 01 May 06 - 02:48 PM and its traditional to express loyalty to a war leader. There comes a time when that is no longer in the best interests of the country and its people; indeed the world and its people. Now is such a time. if you really think its worthwhile to protest. make it a meaningful, thoughtful, dignified protest If we'd done it that way before we could still be in Viet Nam, wld. There are plenty of orgs. which are carrying out protests which ARE thoughtful and meaningful; "dignified" is subjective. Many people have lost their dignity in lives of poverty, constant violence, and poor conditions because of this administration. Kendall, THANKS! It seemed so obvious!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Big Al Whittle Date: 01 May 06 - 01:56 PM And yet......... Cards on the table I don't like George Bush. i didn't like him when he was signing death warrants with alacrity and apparent enthusiasm. When I heard his election campaigns had been paid for by the armaments industry. I thought you would be at war before too long. And yet...... it is a time of war. other young men are putting their lives on the line to carry out the orders of your elected leaders. both wars seemed an understandable reaction to 9/11. to an awful lot of people it seemed that there had to be some payback for pissing about with America. and its traditional to express loyalty to a war leader. Lessons learned if you really think its worthwhile to protest. make it a meaningful, thoughtful, dignified protest - not a bloody tee shirt. Start putting together the organisation that will ensure neither party picks someone like this again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: kendall Date: 01 May 06 - 01:35 PM People don't want politic mixed in with entertainment? You'd never know it at a Utah Phillips performance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Wesley S Date: 01 May 06 - 01:26 PM By the way Guest G - I think what Donual is trying to say is that when the President is speaking at a University that these actions/expulsions will occur. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,G Date: 01 May 06 - 12:24 PM ......."the lizard brains" did do some harm to their own careers. (you were referring to the chicks?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST,G Date: 01 May 06 - 12:20 PM Agreed, Wesley S. I went to 4 Graduations this year and saw various forms of protest; war, the entire government, etc. Orderly and no one booted out. Amos, "If music and politics are indenpendent items......." , the Dixie Chicks did not have that view, so the opposing action was perhaps justified, eh? What is good for the Goose is good........so to speak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Wesley S Date: 01 May 06 - 11:19 AM "When speaking at college graduating ceremonies the standing order is that the University must first agree to EXPEL any student caught protesting against Bush at the event and never allow said student to graduate." I find that one a little hard to believe. I'd want to see some links or a story on that one first Donual. The rest of it I can believe though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Donuel Date: 01 May 06 - 10:13 AM When W and staff go on the road and have to stay in a hotel the standing rule they impose on the hotel is that all publicly visible TV screens (lobby etc.) must show FOX news network. When Air Force 1 carries any reporters it is reported that only one TV show is ever broadcast. Can you guess what it is? When speaking at college graduating ceremonies the standing order is that the University must first agree to EXPEL any student caught protesting against Bush at the event and never allow said student to graduate. This regieme only needs to silence between 5 and 15% of protesters as well as any mention of the protest to be able to create an appearence of normalcy. This number game is similar to needing only a 30% approval rating to win the election since over one third of the people don;t vote and even if they did all one need do is disenfranchise or lose 5 to 15% of votes suspected of being oppositional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Amos Date: 01 May 06 - 09:35 AM Seems to me the worst aspect of the American national character surfaced during the Dixies' flap, when someone actually burned their CDs. If politics and music are independent items, then how come burning music is an appropriate response to a political statement? The lizard brains didn't really do much harm, I guess, anymore than Martin is doing here with his subtle finesse. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 07:59 AM Subject: RE: Springsteen - The Seeger Sessions From: Martin Gibson - PM Date: 26 Apr 06 - 05:30 PM I agree with you, Ron. These are really folk songs that the Boss is doing. I am glad they are not being done so authentic and traditional. getting these songs out in front of people again even if they do sound over-produced to the purists is much more meaningful than trying to get them out there in a style (such as braying and warbling) that will end up turning off people to thse fine songs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 07:57 AM United 93 (R) History written in the moment It is not too soon for "United 93," because it is not a film that knows any time has passed since 9/11. The entire story, every detail, is told in the present tense. We know what they know when they know it, and nothing else. Nothing about Al Qaeda, nothing about Osama bin Laden, nothing about Afghanistan or Iraq, only events as they unfold. This is a masterful and heartbreaking film, and it does honor to the memory of the victims. RV (PG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: Once Famous Date: 01 May 06 - 07:55 AM Cubs On deck: Pirates at Cubs May 1, 2006 Tonight: 7:05, Comcast SportsNet, 720-AM. Victor Santos (1-4, 6.48 ERA) vs. Sean Marshall (2-0, 4.22). Tuesday: 1:20 p.m., Ch. 9, 720-AM. Zach Duke (1-2, 4.50) vs. Angel Guzman (0-0, 5.40). The story line: The Cubs need to dominate the lowly Pirates before beginning a nine-game trip to Arizona, San Diego and San Francisco. The Cubs won two of three in Pittsburgh on April 14-16, but Duke beat them 2-1. Marshall and Santos also hooked up in that series, with Marshall an 11-6 winner. Guzman has to show more control of the strike zone in his second big-league start. Mike Kiley |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST Date: 01 May 06 - 07:36 AM ....meant to comment on the Dixie Chicks. Amos, what is your problem with that scenario. They had their day in the Sun, on stage and no one stopped them. It was their gig and no one did one thing to prevent their 'freedom of speech'. Why are you suggesting that those who found disfavor with the Chicks actions; stopped buying CDs, many stations and DJs stopped playing their stuff, should have their 'freedom of speech' disallowed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: John Hardly Date: 01 May 06 - 07:36 AM "Bushites"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: GUEST Date: 01 May 06 - 07:30 AM They were being paid for their performance. The management have their rights also. Protest all you want, just don't expect me to automatically be a part of it through my patronage at the mall. Was at a 5 act music benefit recently where the band leader (same city) did a anti-bush tirade at the end of their. The crowd had to be well over half left-leaning but the hush that fell over the crownd also resulted in him not selling one CD. The average intelligent audience does not want political reflections cast on their entertainment. Rent a hall or find a street corner and protest all you want. That allows choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushites Suppress Dissent in America From: katlaughing Date: 01 May 06 - 12:22 AM Here's something we CAN do: call the "manager" listed on Tower City's website and tell her what you think: Karen Russell, Manager Phone Number (216) 621-9377 Thanks for the heads-up, Amos. |
