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Bonnie Shaljean 10 May 06 - 04:51 PM
GUEST 10 May 06 - 05:12 PM
GUEST 11 May 06 - 08:21 AM
open mike 11 May 06 - 10:44 AM
The Borchester Echo 11 May 06 - 01:18 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 11 May 06 - 07:28 PM
GUEST 11 May 06 - 08:51 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 11 May 06 - 09:01 PM
Maryrrf 11 May 06 - 09:21 PM
GUEST 11 May 06 - 09:27 PM
karen k 11 May 06 - 09:30 PM
GUEST 11 May 06 - 10:01 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 12 May 06 - 03:11 AM
squeezeboxhp 12 May 06 - 05:51 PM
GUEST,Lurker 12 May 06 - 06:35 PM
GUEST,Lisa Null 14 May 06 - 04:28 AM
Zhenya 20 May 06 - 01:29 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 20 May 06 - 05:57 AM
Big Mick 20 May 06 - 08:49 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 20 May 06 - 10:46 AM
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GUEST,Lisa Null 22 May 06 - 12:28 AM
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Big Mick 25 May 06 - 10:18 AM
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Subject: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 10 May 06 - 04:51 PM

Green Linnet have been "acquired" by a digital music organisation. Story here: WorldMusicCentral.org


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 06 - 05:12 PM

Wooden Ended Melodeon


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 06 - 08:21 AM

So what effect might that have on the legal action initiated by "Cherish The Ladies" et al , as detailed in previous discussions ?


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: open mike
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:44 AM

that melodeon(?) sounds like it is playing Fiddler's Green...

yes, and interested in knowing how this will impact artists who
have a claim against Green Linnet.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 11 May 06 - 01:18 PM

When Tommy Peoples escaped the clutches of Green Linnet he wrote a tune Don't Touch that Green Linnet, named after a small bird to which innocent children get too close to, unaware of its voraciousness.

Who noticed the supreme irony of this from the DMGI site: 'The digital music marketplace is a great way for consumers everywhere to find and experience all types of music, including Celtic'?

Green Linnet (USA) cheats artists of their royalties in much the same despicable way as Celtic Music (UK). Will this change of 'ownership' make it any more likely that artists will get what's due to them?


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:28 PM

Dunno. Looking at the terms on their website, they're supposed to pay 80% of the gross (yeah, I know - gross WHAT?) and in addition to their 20% they also take a bite out of every track sold AND a small per-download deduction.* I don't know whether this is standard practice or not. I don't even know if there IS a "standard practice" in this new wide-open field of downloading. It hasn't even been legal for that long!

So there are two questions, really: Will they be fair to their artists; and what does "fair" actually consist of in the cyber-world? But even if they pay out the royalties, I suppose they're unlikely to take on the bad debts back-owing to the artists from the label's previous incarnation - unless they can be legally forced to - ???


*
"1. The digital music stores track purchases and provide us with a master report of sales along with a payment of royalties. These reports include both album sales and track sales.
2. We process the reports from each digital store and provide you with a detailed report. We subtract a processing fee from each track sold plus a small per-download deduction, and process payment to you." [There's more info on the FAQ webpage.]


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 06 - 08:51 PM

So, is Wendy a Good Witch or a Bad Witch?

Well, now that the house has fallen on her, I think we'll see those toes curl up and disappear, don't you?


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 11 May 06 - 09:01 PM

Not sure whose toes you're referring to, Guest - but "disappear" is probably the last thing that's likely to happen. Not while there's money to be made. The artists are too good (and too saleable) and digital downloading is not going to fade out any time soon. If I'm taking your message correctly, the house hasn't fallen on Wendy: Wendy has moved.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Maryrrf
Date: 11 May 06 - 09:21 PM

I wonder if it was a matter of Green Linnet deliberately setting out to rip off artists, or was it just mismanagement, incompetence and poor bookeeping? In this article Wendy Newton comes across as a very idealistic music lover - the story of how she was worn out and disilusioned over the Vietnam War, and went to Ireland for some healing time, and discovered this music that inspired her to found a record label. Did she just get in over her head and mismanage the finances and end up not having enought to pay Green Linnet's recording artists? I truly don't know, I'm just speculating. The musicians got the shaft, whatever the case, but I wonder if it was intentional (as it seems to be in the case of the infamous Buehler)


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 06 - 09:27 PM

house falling on her = musicians' lawsuits

toes curling up = she is no longer being publicly scrutinized, now the focus is on new owners

who likely won't be legally required to pay the musicians anything.

Toto too.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: karen k
Date: 11 May 06 - 09:30 PM

Wendy Newton did not "found" Green Linnet Records, Lisa Null did. Lisa sold it to Wendy Newton. There were never any problems while Lisa ran the company.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:01 PM

Wendy just took credit for it.

Now, give back those ruby slippers!


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 May 06 - 03:11 AM

Chris Teskey might have said more than he intended in his comment, "The Celtic bubble will burst. And it has. We had a nice ride for the last four or five years, but it's over now. You're not going to see major labels putting out Celtic records anymore."

I notice that the article is 6 years old and was printed in what amounts to a local paper, so maybe the journo who wrote it is a friend (I never trust anyone who refers to Ireland as the land of leprechauns).


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: squeezeboxhp
Date: 12 May 06 - 05:51 PM

a shame that a company that recorded some fine artits fell foul of fing accountants


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,Lurker
Date: 12 May 06 - 06:35 PM

They didn't fall foul of accountants. They just didn't pay the artists. Maybe they didn't pay the accountants either. Chris Teskey, who was basically a nice guy forced into the role of Newton's pirana doorkeeper, left the company some while ago. Green Linet didn't just have their Celtic records, they also had some great world music artists on their Xenophile label too - they got shafted as well a.f.a.i.k.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,Lisa Null
Date: 14 May 06 - 04:28 AM

Hi:

Yes, I did found Green Linnet in partnership with Pat Sky. It ran it out of my home for many years, and I gave it my life and much of my money. Pat and I were interested in putting out the most traditional forms of Irish music as well as some British and American musicians we respected, and who we felt deserved label support for interesting projects unlikely to be funded by more commercial labels. We put out Barrack Room Ballads by Peter Bellamy, Debby McClatchy with the Red Clay Ramblers, Rosalie Sorrels' album of Mormon Songs, Margaret McArthur's Vermont Farm Songs, Guy Van Duser and Billy Novick's Penny Whistle album, Roy Berkeley's FDR Songs, Jane Voss and Hoyle Osborne, and some albums of our own music-making. Pat's marvelous work compiling Forty Years of Irish Piping (Seamus Ennis), Peter Bellamy's album of Joe Heaney and "the Gabe," and many other splendid albums came out under our watch. We made some mistakes and ran up some debts. We were both quite inexperienced at the business side of running a company, and we made no compromises in the work we were trying to produce. We brought Wendy on board in the early 1970s because of her new found interest in Irish music and her experience in managing a small business (a book/gift shop as a fund-raiser for the World Affairs Center in Westport, Connecticut). Wendy worked as an employee for the company for several years, developing audiences for the hard driving Irish bands who have been the vanguard of the Celtic music revival and also exploring and documenting Irish-American traditional music, initially with the assistance of folklorist Mick Moloney. She bought out Patrick's share of the company and then took on my share in return for promising to keep the artists we had recorded in print, and assuming outstanding debts. No cash exchanged hands. For several years, the company continued to work out of my home until it had need of larger quarters and moved to Danbury. At that time, i was ready to sell the Connecticut house Green Linnet had shared with me in Connecticut, and I moved to the Washington, DC area.

My relationship with Wendy has always been cordial and though I know little about her business dealings since our business relationship was terminated, I know she has kept her employees medically insured--which to me suggests that her attitudes as a very small business owner have been ethical in intent. She has also told me in our conversations, that she has not profited beyond a reasonable salary from running the company and is passing this company on for enough money to just about cover her debts and the amount she sunk into it.

If I have any quibble with Wendy it is about being written out of the
company's history, but when we have discussed this, she tells me that she considers the period prior to her actual ownership "pre-history." In a way, she has a point as it was never our intention to develop the company on quite the same scale as she designed and achieved. Our musical tastes and objectives were quite different.

I also lament that many of the artists she agreed to keep in "print" ceased to be advertised as available. Nevertheless, she tells me that they remain in catalogue.

These differences between us have always been issues we could discuss, if never resolve to my complete satisfaction. Nevertheless,
we remain close friends, and I have a high regard for what she has accomplished. During my touring years as a musician, she handled all my personal finances and many of my household dilemmas with kindness and honesty--so it is hard for me to think of her as purposefully gypping musicians by intent. I suspect in my heart of hearts that other factors are at play.

I am glad that at least some of the music will have a future and look forward to Wendy's resumption of her progressive, political activities. May she bring to them the same imagination and energy that helped grow the public's interest in Celtic music.

--Lisa Null (Elisabeth Higgins Null)


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Zhenya
Date: 20 May 06 - 01:29 AM

There's a detailed article in this week's Irish Echo newspaper about the Green Linnet sale. (Earle Hitchner's music column - it's on page 28.) Unfortunately, you can't access this online on the Echo site so I can't provide a link. Perhaps you can get hold of the paper and read the whole thing.

It does quote a few of the Green Linnet five, although it's noted they were "bound by confidentiality and thus circumspect in their remarks". But it seemed to be suggest that the controversy had been resolved, and that they were glad to move on. By the way, several of them have recent albums out on the Compass label.

DMGI will provide the digital downloads, and Compass will still sell CD versions of the albums, apparently still under the Green Linnet imprint.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 May 06 - 05:57 AM

Further info about Compass Records acquiring the CD rights to be found here, on WorldMusicCentral.org

http://www.worldmusiccentral.org/article.php/20060517063602826


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 May 06 - 08:49 AM

I think Lisa is being the extraordinarily polite, very nice person that I know. I enjoy her company whenever I am around.

When Wendy talks about the time when the label got its name, attracted Mick Moloney and company, etc as "pre-history" and plays off the contribution of the founder; in fact she falsely claims she founded it, well that does it for me. Then gets into a royalty dispute with the artists? I may applaud progressive politics, but I don't like what I know about this person one bit.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 May 06 - 10:46 AM

Agreed, Mick. What the F is "pre"-history anyway? How can anyone selectively decree that one part of what has gone before is not "history", while the rest is??! The past is the past, whether it suits Wendy's agenda or not. I fail to see what "point" she has beyond selective self-aggrandising.

And not paying people the money you owe them is ripping them off, no matter how nice you are to your friends.

Sure would love to see her come on board here and explain herself -


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Jeri
Date: 20 May 06 - 11:41 AM

There's a problem here. Marryff said, based on the article in the Fairfield Co. Weekly, "Wendy Newton comes across as a very idealistic music lover - the story of how she [...] discovered this music that inspired her to found a record label."

Mick then says Wendy "falsely claims she founded it".

The article ACTUALLY say, "Then one day, she got a call from another Center for World Affairs member. Lisa Null, who had heard Newton had resigned, had a small record label based out of her New Canaan home and approached Newton about helping her make the label grow.".

There's no claim by Wendy that she founded Green Linnett! One person misread the article and others, Mick, at least, didn't bother reading it and just passed on the mistake.

Mick, I don't think Lisa's being extraordinarily polite. She's just being reasonable and understanding to a friend, which may appear to be extraordinary by some. She lacks a certain vindictiveness that some outside of the situation seem to enjoy. She hasn't had the same opportunity to develop the dislike of Wendy that someone who's never met her can.

It certainly would be 'pre-history' for HER, because it was before her time. I don't think Wendy's the anti-christ or even a bad person. She may have simply made mistakes, and we've ALL made mistakes. It's just that ours aren't so public or hurt so many others. I think not paying royalties is wrong, but people who make snap judgements based on very limited facts (or non-facts) are just plain scary. It feels a bit like I'm sitting in the audience at the folkie internet version of Jerry Springer show. I'd like to hear her side of the story, but I think others may be more interested in talking than listening.

In any case, it's sort of a moot point now. Plus, I trust Lisa's first-hand knowledge and good sense.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 May 06 - 11:55 AM

Well, we're listening...

And Lisa herself describes it as "being written out of the company's history".


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 May 06 - 01:40 PM

Exactly, Bonnie. I am not sure why Jeri would defend Wendy and don't care. I am taking my information from a first person witness by the name of Lisa Null. Lisa herself says in her post that when she talks to Wendy about being wrote out of the history, she is told that is pre history. And the fact that the artists had to fight for what was theirs, and this came on her watch is good enough for me. And yes Lisa is being polite. That is her nature.

I have heard Lisa's explanation, and that is what I commented on, plus what I know of the case from my own contacts among Irish musicians. I stand ready to be corrected by Wendy. But not by Jeri, good friend though she is.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Jeri
Date: 20 May 06 - 02:05 PM

Sorry Mick. When you said "in fact she falsely claims she founded it," I thought you were saying that Wendy had falsely claimed to have founded it, which is not true. And since when does trying to see the truth, whether it's for or against, constitute 'defending' someone?


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 May 06 - 03:00 PM

But we ARE trying to see the truth!! Each in our own way, perhaps. I still have the same unanswered questions, but in the absence of further hard fact, let's please all declare a truce - I really don't want to fall out with anyone over this!


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 May 06 - 10:38 AM

Hell Bonnie, ain't nobody fallin' out over this. We are just expressing opinion. Jeri is one of my very closest friends. All's I know is that I have a bad taste in my mouth over this and Lisa's post just reinforces some things for me.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Jeri
Date: 21 May 06 - 11:15 AM

It's funny - Lisa's post did just the opposite for me. I repeat, I don't think not paying royalties is justifiable, but I don't see much to indicate she cheated them intentionally.

Bonnie, I was criticizing Mick, not you. The main thing is that he appears to have made up his mind based on a very little bit of actual information, some of which he's in my opinion misinterpreted, and now demands that people need to present new information to him to change his mind. I'm of the opinion that it's not possible for any of us 'bystanders' to accurately judge the situation based on the information we have. I don't fully understand it, and I know I don't. Mick just needs a lot less proof for his opinions than I do.

And yes, we argue, even though I'm almost always right. (I don't know why he bothers.) I can also kick Mick's butt anytime I want, under most condions involving snoring and duct (gaffers') tape.

In any event, I hope the acquisition of the Green Linnet catalog means that more people will get to hear more musicians and those musicians get their share.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,Lisa Null
Date: 22 May 06 - 12:28 AM

Well guys,

I love being defended and written back into Green Linnet's history by my friends and the public though I should mention again how important Pat Sky was to this whole enterprise-- he was the one with the contacts, the knowledge, and some idea of how the record business worked. Actually, in the very beginning I had hosted a house concert in 1971 at my New York apartment for Robin Roberts who recited some of Seamus Ennis's translations of Irish poetry which bowled me over. I had been to Ireland in the mid-sixties and heard a lot of great music in Dublin, but those poems clinched the deal--- I wanted to shake the world by the collar and wake it up to traditional Irish culture. Scene changes. I moved to New Canaan and become friendly with an intrepid and fascinating singer of traiditonal songs named Patsy Margolin, who died a few years ago. Patsy knew that I had this strong interest in Seanus Ennis and that Pat, who played the pipes and was known as a reed maker (in addition to having a major label career in the sixties) went back and forth to Ireland and spent lots of time with Seamus, He and I and my domestic partner at the time, recording engineer Pitt Kinsolving, traveled to Ireland together and, from that experience Green Linnet was born. Initially the company was called Innisfree (with a side label for American artists called Leviathan) but no one could pronounce Innisfree so we renamed it.

It's hard to sort out all the stuff about the recent law suits, and I have not been involved with the business for years. I can only say that Wendy and I, during the years that we were both involved at Green Linnet together, talked a lot about the importance of treating performers fairly and well--- one reason we could get great artists from the beginning was because of the fabulous and recognized artists we put out when the company first started. Therefore, in addition to being ethical as a matter of principle, it was important to maintain a good professional reputation.

Some of the problems I faced during my active years with GL were that performers assumed the company was responsible for royalties when Green Linnet had only licensed the rights to press a limited number of copies from an Irish label and paid cash outright, a percentage of which should have been paid to the artist.

One of the very difficult issues was that the standard legal contracts between artist and recording company differed widely between the two countries-- so when I put together what I thought was a fair contract for our own record productions, Irish musicians felt they were being ripped off, The same contract would be entirely satisfactory to American artists. One difficulty for instance was communicating that just because albums go to retailers or distributors, does not mean that they will be sold. Indeed retailers and distributors in America have the right of return. I can't remember for sure if this differed in Ireland, but this was the sort of issue that could generate misunderstanding.

American musicians, who were, by the 1970s, touring around by van from gig to gig selling their own product, were well aware that the commercial bottom of the follk music revivial had dropped out. They were actively seeking to set up an alternative music network of venues, distribution, promoters to keep the music alive.

In the meantime, Irish trad. music (think Planxty and Bothy Band as a newly emerging phenomena) was doing very well in Ireland and because the folk music movement was so central through television, radio, and the organized system of contests-- they often assumed they would be at the center of popular culture in the States. I remember being amazed at some of the coffee house contracts Irish musicians wanted at the time-- hotel rooms,special liquor and favorite foods,drivers and vehicles rather like motor homes-- this at a time when most American performing folk musicians were happy with a mattress on the floor and a spot of breakfast before heading on their way the next day. Certainly many Irish musicians had no wish to sell their own albums. Nor were they always aware that the people putting on concerts at this time were largely volunteers and as central to the creative process as the musicians thamselves.

So some of the mistakes and misunderstandings that went on at Green Linnet under my watch had a lot to do, I'm sure, with cross-cultural misunderstandings and blurred expectations. I did, however, at that time, have some money of my own which I poured into the company to correct mistakes, produce records, and try to get the company on an even keel.If I had not done this, my problems too might have become public-- though I was operating on a very small scale.

Because of this and because of Wendy's long record of honesty in handling my affairs, I am inclined to think that the company and the musicians may both have had valid reasons to differ in their opinion of what was their rightful due. I do know that at one point, after a fire, Green Linnet was over its head financially and that it took awhile to catch up with royalties---that is a sad thing when it happens, but it does happen with small businesses. Under such circumstances it is reasonable for artists to sue, thought that can sometimes be like squeezing blood from a stone.

I have often hoped Wendy would herself explain what the problems were that attracted so much attention but because legal proceedings were underway, she had been advised not to discuss the case with anyone, not even me. So I really don't know more than anyone else about the specifics.

I think Hichener is right, however, that the suits were settled except perhaps one as of about a year ago.

Presumably the sale of the company will put everything on an even keel.

As for pre-history versus history, any jockeying for position is a little like the contest between a birth mother and an adoptive mother. Pretty soon we will both, however, be pre-history.

What I worry the most about are the superb musicians,especially those that don't fit neatly into a Celtic label. whose work may never again see the light of day.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 22 May 06 - 07:13 AM

Lisa, is your own beautiful album "The Feathered Maiden" going to be among those put out by Compass, do you think? I CD'd my vinyl copy and still listen to it. I notice in your first post above that you gave credit to every artist but yourself!


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 06 - 09:48 AM

A claim is being made on another website that this "litigation has been settled", "last year". Anyone else heard this ?


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 May 06 - 10:18 AM

Fair enough, Lisa. That was an enlightening post, and I understand the situation much better. Perhaps I have been too rough on Wendy, but I don't know her and I do know you. I think the part that bothered me most was the "pre-history" comment. In our world, graciousness is a valued commodity, and that comment seemed to be lacking.

Thank you for starting this label, my dear. It has given me enjoyment, gratification, and inspiration beyond what I can quantify.

See you soon,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 25 May 06 - 10:40 AM

I interviewed Wendy for my show several years ago, before all of the artist issues cropped up. She was very gracious in acknowleding Lisa and Patrick and how she became involved with Green Linnet, matching what Lisa has written here.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 25 May 06 - 06:44 PM

Well I am happy to hear Lisa's voice after so many years!! Those were great days when the recording was at her house and Pitt Kinsolving was making banjos and recording . Gordon Titcomb brought me down to New Cannon and we had a blast .. He still sings some of Patric Sky's off colored songs from that time when asked . Was the album called "Songs to Insult everyone "!!
          Lisa great to hear your polite additions to this dialauge ..All the best , Guy


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Midchuck
Date: 25 May 06 - 09:08 PM

You mean "Songs That Made America Famous?"

An all time favorite. Probably unacceptable to the majority of folkies; or at least they'd feel obliged to lie and say they didn't like it.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,Lisa Null
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:35 PM

HI:

Its good to hear from Guy and Bonnie-- both marvelous performers I remember from way back when. The two Green Linnet albums I put out with Bill Shute, Feathered Maiden and American Primitive, are going to be reissued on Folk Legacy. Sandy Paton produced them. In some ways, I felt that they really belonged on that label because of a strong shared aesthetic. Now, 25-30 years later we finally get the chance!


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 05:44 AM

Gosh, Lisa, I didn't think you'd remember me!!! It was AGES ago in London, but still stands out brightly in my mind. One thing I particularly recall was you saying that you'd "just started your own record label, called Green Linnet..."

So great to touch base again!

Love from Bonnie (in Ireland now)


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 08:02 AM

I am anxious to hear these CD's. Lisa, I hope you will keep us posted as to the release date.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: JedMarum
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:27 PM

I've watched this tempest from afar - wondering if it wasn't more misunderstanding, misplaced or erroneous expectations then knavery.

Musicians tend to stick together, so when one is griping about someone mistreating them - well the rest of us tend to take their side and bitch right along with them, whether its valid or not. It's like sitting with the home team at a high school basketball game. The referee never makes a call against the home team without a chorus of complaints from the crowd around you!

But I know bad things do happen to good musicians though. So you just never know. The devil's in the details - and that's why we have written contracts; Good Fences make good neighbors! And when we disagree about those - that's why we have courts.

Music business, record labels and distribution have changed dramatically in the last decade. Small and mid-sized record labels get slammed from the big guys AND the indies. I know that I am the kind of artist that would be signed to a small/mid label 10 years ago, but today it makes no sense. I know that I am competing for some of the same sales as these lables - and I have a much lower overhead. About half my living comes from CD sales, and MP3 sales are becoming a more serious income every month. I couldn't afford to turnover most of that to a label. There's just not a lot of money to share at the small/mid level. It's not surprising GL and others struggle - and not surprising, of course that they run into hastles with their partners/artists.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,Jimmie Aitken UK
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 08:35 PM

Just been following the GL saga - and very relieved that, maybe, there are no "bad guys", and maybe too the great label and the artists have a "more secure" future.
Now, throwing in my own two current enquiries, 1. does anyone know who "owns" the masters for the former label "Scottish Records, 52 Bon Accord Street, Aberdeen,Scotland" with LP numbers such as 33 SR 125 , and 2. I have an old Caedmon LP with Robert Burns poems on one side and renditions of Scottish Border Ballads (including a brilliant rendition of "Edward") on the other - and I wonder if this can be had on CD (can't currently locate the LP to get the exact number).
Jimmie


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: Effsee
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 09:30 PM

Jimmie, I think you would be better starting a new thread with this enquiry. This will just get "lost in the mix".


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 07:57 AM

Small world, Jimmy - I used to stay at 98 Bon Accord street in the 60s. I'm about to go into town - I'll have a look at 52,just out of curiousity. But , aye - you'd be better with a completely new thread for this.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:01 AM

52 Bon Accord St is now the offices of Armour & Partners, Surveyors. Phone No. is 01224 591566


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 08:14 PM

This ought to be a Classic Mudcat Music Thread; so much information straight from one of the founders of this important label. Thanks, Lisa, for taking the time. I missed it first time around.

Anyone have any updates?

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 03:24 PM

The Green Linnet catalog (or a lot of it, anyway) is now available from Compass Records.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: InOBU
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:25 PM

A quick obervation... I have known Wendy for many years as well. I also have known the musicians who were in conflict with her. I frankly think that Wendy was very open about the accounting, and that this all would have been much better solved with folks getting together and talking to each other, and that the involvement of lawyers made a lot of this mess ( no lawyer jokes here, I have a Juris Doctorate meself... )
I know that Wendy felt terrible about how this has been viewed, and that many who believe they know the story completely, well, there are two sides to every issue, and the best way we can support our friends, from Wendy to the musicians, is to get them to stop fighting each other and start talking. Frankly I am sad to see her out of the music biz under this clowd.
Thine in the light
lorcan


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 09:37 PM

michaelr-
Sadly, only a small portion of the GL catalog is available through Compass (CAMSCO carries it)--Aly Bain, for example, now records and re-releases some of his GL material on the Whirlie Label, and some other small labels are snapping up many of the other titles. Makes it difficult for both shoppers and retailers, though.


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 10:12 PM

Thanks Dick, I did not know that. Hats off to Compass, though, for stepping in to carry a lot of what is, let's face it, niche market product. Good for CAMSCO, and you can probably find the other stuff as well, eh?

Compass Records, BTW, was founded by esteemed banjo stylist, Alison Brown, and is musician-owned and operated. That's got to mean something in this day and age.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Green Linnet Records
From: GUEST,Gordon Titcomb
Date: 18 Jul 10 - 08:33 AM

I co-produced Bill Keith's album: Beating Around The Bush with Bill Keith. To this day, I have never seen one CENT of the royalties owed to me from Green Linnet! I actually paid some over budget expenses out of my own pocket in the making of that album in the interest of trying to put out a good album.

I agree with the earlier statement to the effect that: When Lisa Null owned it, it was a good & honorable label ( and I'll add....doing important work)

Yes.....Chris Teskey was and IS a good guy, I know him well and know that he was being asked to do the "wrong thing" I also know that Chris left the company as he is not one to put up with that kind of nonesense for long.

...Just my two cents...


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