Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)

Subject: Kate Rusby
From: Big Phil
Date: 17 May 06 - 03:26 PM

Is Kate leaving her Folk roots behind her to duet with POP star Ronan Keating...........

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 May 06 - 03:59 PM

She may just be trying to earn a few bob!
G

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Rasener
Date: 17 May 06 - 04:02 PM

I saw her singing on ITV with him. It seemed quite good. Will she remember her folkroots if she makes it big though, or will it be a question of catch her on the way down?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: breezy
Date: 17 May 06 - 04:45 PM

Ronan is grabbing at straws

Never heard them called that before

Good luck to them both

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 06 - 04:16 AM

Ronan has done a few 'folky' numbers himself so perhaps it is him going back to his roots rather than Kate becoming pop? I'm not a big fan of Ms Rusby myself but if she manages to get the unwashed masses interested then more power to he elbow!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Dipsodeb
Date: 18 May 06 - 04:28 AM

The song itself is lovely. it was written by a guy called Don mescall who is a great artist in his own right and has several albums of his own.
You should check him out http://www.donmescall.com/default.htm
Hope I have done that clicky right.

Debs

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 May 06 - 04:34 AM

Nobody is more innocently employed than when making money(or something to that effect, I believe Dr Johnson said). Good luck to the lass. I wont personally be buying the record, but I'm sure others will. She is getting attacked by a few people here and there for betraying her roots or selling out or whatever: I hate the way some people seem to want to own performers just because they like them. Kate Rusby can sing what she likes as far as I am concerned. I saw this video on a huge screen in a pub in Newark, and was completely unaware that this collaboration had happened. We were standing having a pint and kind of glancing at this mega-intrusive giant screen peddling noise into the bar, and suddenly we are saying "Doesnt she look like Kate Rusby" and a second later "Bloody hell, it is Kate Rusby".
    Kate Rusby has given a lot of folkies a few much-needed lessons in business acumen, and I'm sure will continue to do so. I admire her for it.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Scrump
Date: 18 May 06 - 05:06 AM

Paul Brady has also duetted with Ronan Keating (and even co-written a song with him) which caused similar "outrage" among folkies a few years back, but it doesn't seem to have done his reputation any long-term damage ;-)

As others have said, it's a shame we seem to have lost Kate to the folk clubs, but that's what being successful does. Good luck to her!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 May 06 - 05:47 AM

First of all let Kate do and sing what she likes.

Secondly she was never really a folk club artist, if you saw here in a folk club you were exceedingly lucky. She has always been a festival artist.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 May 06 - 05:50 AM

I saw her in Tilston folk club in Cheshire.The audience was in double figures, but only just, as far as I can remember. Things change, dont they?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Santa
Date: 18 May 06 - 07:25 AM

Saw her with Kathryn Roberts in the Lane Ends. If she wasn't a folk club artist she did a remarkable impression of one, for she also came back later by herself. Yes, she did become more a festival artist, but "never" and "always" are strong words.

Exceedingly lucky I won't argue with: she was a star act then.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Scrump
Date: 18 May 06 - 08:13 AM

I thought most artists started in folk clubs and festivals - isn't that how you get noticed? I didn't think you had to be one or t'other.

Anyway, yes I have seen her in folk clubs and yes I guess I was lucky!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Big Phil
Date: 18 May 06 - 08:30 AM

I was not knocking Kate for the duet with Mr Keating, I am sure she can do as she pleases, it was just a general question, IMHO it would be a shame to lose her to the POP world..........

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: fiddler
Date: 18 May 06 - 08:40 AM

Separatism, oooh thats how wars start.

I like all sorts of music and lots of it form Rimsky Korsakoff to Jimi hendrix is rooted in folk.

Let her make her millions - I'm not jealous.

We all move on some times we retain contact with our roots in some way or another. If not then never mind lets enjoy what we have had rather than resent what we might have had if she does move on and away from folk.

She may get folk in to a more mainstream arena - or perhaps thats bad too!

Andy

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Scrump
Date: 18 May 06 - 08:53 AM

It's an interesting point you make though. Sometimes when you've followed an artist from their humble beginnings gigging in folk clubs, and see them become a big star, part of you is pleased for their success, when you realise they've gone on to bigger and (possibly) better things, but a part of you (perhaps selfishly) realises you will miss seeing them in the intimate surroundings of the back room at the pub, and that things won't ever be the same again. It's a bit like when your kids leave home, I guess.

I guess it depends what you mean by "losing to the pop world" though - if Kate (for example) gave up folk music and ended up like Kylie or Madonna that would be a shame. But if she can somehow remain true to her roots and become popular at the same time, that's probably a good thing for folk music generally. If what they say is true - that "folk is cool" - then maybe TOTP will soon feature Morris Dancers instead of the disco dancers or breakdancers (or whatever they have these days - I haven't seen it for years), and the charts will be full of our favourite artists. Is that good or not? I'm not sure myself.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: GUEST,concerned fan
Date: 18 May 06 - 09:00 AM

But she does'nt look very well these days though.

The stresses of striving for & maintaining
music biz success ?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: AggieD
Date: 18 May 06 - 10:00 AM

Err could I mention Richard Thompson at this point. The man has great respect throughout much of the modern music industry but still manages to retain his folkie roots.

Good luck to her I say & yes why not take folk into main stream. There are still many people around of a certain age that look back fondly on the music of Steelye Span etc., but wouldn't ever call themselves folkies.

Good folk music does not have to be contained in local folk clubs. The more folkie type music that gets out the better I say, educate the masses.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 18 May 06 - 10:09 AM

Saw her as a screaming kid!

In the family band with Steve and Ann

Also with Kathryn Roberts at Shoddy Doggie, Dewsbury

and at Festivals such as Fylde and Warwick

Good luck to her, takes a lot of guts to sing in large venues and she should mature in many different ways as a performer and hopefully as a person who understands her working class roots

Ray

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: harpmolly
Date: 18 May 06 - 11:33 AM

Cheesy though the song may be, I do think their voices blend very nicely together. And what I particularly like is that, while Ronan is performing his very "pop"-style vocals (and that's not a criticism...just the way his music has evolved), Kate is still singing in her own pure style, without a lot of froufrou--she lets him take care of the impassioned melody while providing a lovely, understated counterpoint. The two styles complement each other very well, IMHO. And those harmonies...yumm!

Now, if Kate were to start singing like Ronan on all her albums, I'd be up in arms. But I don't think this necessarily heralds that sort of behavior. ;) And as others have said above, I'm not against Kate finding a wider audience for her music at all...pop leanings aside, I'm sure they'll take one listen to "Sleepless" or "Underneath the Stars" and be sucked right into the folk world. She has that effect. *grin*

Besides, Kate has already had her run-ins with the "Folk Police", and she probably figures that at this point she has little to lose and everything to gain...

Cheers,

Molly

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 18 May 06 - 12:01 PM

Good luck Kate. Do your own thing luv.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 May 06 - 12:15 PM

A rousing hurrah to Mr Keating for choosing Miss Rusby, I'm sure he could have sung it with almost anyone he wanted to.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 06 - 12:42 PM

I think she might simply be using her talent to try and improve the quality of pop music.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 May 06 - 12:46 PM

Sorry

When I said "never really" I meant that whilst she did do some folk clubs, with Kathryn and on her own, folk clubs were not her biggest thing. And when I said "always" I meant that is where she made her first appearance (Holmfirth at 15) and festivals is where she made her name. So sorry if I managed to get that wrong.

And there are less and less folk clubs these days (especially in comparison as to when I was a lad). Loads of festivals though.

Sheffield for example as a city finds it very difficult to support a folk club. (Some good ones in the area, Kiveton and Wickersley and Kiveton for example, but not really in the city.

Good session scene and concerts and some good dancing, but not much of a "regular" folk club booking artists.

And Ray, you're a local and don't count!!

As indeed I am.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 18 May 06 - 01:19 PM

The Villan has coyly omitted to mention that Kate and Ronan appeared on Strictly Dance Fever last Saturday evening. I was pleasantly surprised.

Of course Ali Anderson was once on Top of the Pops with Kate Bush.... I don't think that destroyed his folk credibility, did it?

Kitty

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: s&r
Date: 18 May 06 - 02:57 PM

Kate was on main stage at Fylde at 13-14, and was so nervous her mum stood behind her on stage.

She was the winner of Fylde's young Performers' competition.

Stu

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: harryrages
Date: 18 May 06 - 03:11 PM

Good luck to Kate - why shouldn't any artist try and diversify - nobody owns her. Dylan rejected the 'protest label' and went on. The great thing about Emmy Lou Harris is that she uses her talent to make music - not become pigeon holed.
Go for it Kate I say.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 19 May 06 - 03:51 AM

Don Mescall who wrote this song (haven't heard it yet) is a brilliant young Irish singer songwriter who has written songes for Frances Black and Ritchie Havens. He has performed a couple of times for the folkmob folk club in Eltham, These were memorable evenings.

Instead of whingeing about "betrayal" why don't you celebrate that a former teenybopper has attempted to embrace "folk". This can only be a good thing bringing the above mentioned artists to a wider audience

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Dipsodeb
Date: 19 May 06 - 04:35 AM

Thanks Woodsie, didn't think anyone was going to pick up on my earlier link as no one has mentioned it yet. I know that the subject matter is Kate Rusby but thought that someone would have at least bothered to check out the link.

Kate is a fine young artist and I wish her and Ronan well with this song. But I am thrilled for Don as well, all sums make the whole and I think we often forget about the people who write the lyrics and music.

~Debs~

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 19 May 06 - 04:58 AM

I would point out that over the years many popular Irish singers or bands - pop, rock (Thin Lizzy), blues (Van Morrisson) have acknowledged an element of folk music in their background and roots. Some have recorded their version of tradiional songs (maybe murdering them - no names mentioned - but at least they tried). Paddy Moloney and the Chieftains play with anybody from any musical scene.
What's so wrong with Mr. Keating being allowed to sing with somebody who is definitely a part of the English Folk Music scene? Don't knock it - he might learn something.
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Rasener
Date: 19 May 06 - 05:09 AM

Steve Winwood - John Barleycorn -originnally intended as a solo, but turned into Traffic when Chris Wood and Jim Capaldi joined him on it.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Charmain
Date: 19 May 06 - 08:05 AM

Kate's bits of the song are realy quite pleasant cos she had such a lovely set of pipes - I think the main problem is that Ronan Ketaing's voice is so annoying and I can't forgive him for Boyzone which was such a pile of tripe - mind you I'm sure he's a lovely lad and if he asked me to duet with him on what will probably be a reasonably succesful played-at-weddings-and-funerals-for-a-few-years type song I'd probably do it too

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,Judas
Date: 19 May 06 - 08:15 AM

I can't see that it can do anything but good. Why should folk be kept on it's own little inbred island with no interraction with other musical styles? Good on her.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 19 May 06 - 09:18 AM

From the discussions I've taken part in on other threads, I'm aware that the orthodoxy at the moment is to uncritically support this latest collaboration.

May I therefore be so bold as to be completely non-PC and say that I think the song in question is nothing more than limp-wristed, girly-pop sh**e.

And in an attempt to pre-empt the abuse, labelling, sneering and general b***ocks that I (along with other "non-conformists") have received in reply to my (and others') comments on this subject on other forums, it may save a lot of wasted time if I make my position clear to start with, so that people can at least criticise me for what I think rather than what they choose to believe I think. To do this I shall refer to various points that have been made by my detractors (mainly paraphrased) and respond to them.

1. This will further Kate's career, so you should be supportive
    of it.

    My response: As I'm not Kate's manager, her mummy or her
    Auntie Lil, I don't really care very much; it's not my business.

2. You are stuck in your ways and resist the advancement of folk
    music.

    My response: As a listener, performer and former radio
    presenter, I have never resisted the advancement of any music.   
    I am always on the lookout for music that is adventurous,   
    dynamic and challenging. The song in question is none of these.

3. As a professional performer who has to support herself by
    singing/playing music, don't you think that she has the right
    to earn money as she thinks fit?

    My response: Yes, I do. All musicians have this right, and I'm
    not questioning it. My criticism is of the music itself (my   
    right, by the way!), not of her right to earn money as she
    thinks fit.

4. If Kate gets more exposure, it will encourage large numbers of
    people to listen to her other recordings and thereby lead to a
    wider interest in folk music. You should therefore be
    encouraging it.

    My response: If this truly is the case, then that's a good
    thing. I suspect that the sort of people who choose to listen
    to Ronan Keating may have difficulty in listening to music
    that doesn't have the "security blanket" of the all-embracing,
    synthetic backing track.

5. If she wants to pursue a pop career, what right do we have to
    criticise?

    My response: As I said before, she can pursue whatever career
    she likes. I, along with just about everybody else in this
    land, will always make judgements on music that I hear. What's
    strange about that?

6. It's disturbing how some people feel so proprietal about
    certain performers and want to dictate to them what they should
    or shouldn't do.

    My response: I don't dictate anything to anyone; I just say it
    as I see it (or hear it in this case). I'm not in control of
    anyone else's destiny, nor would I want to be.


In spite of my efforts at clarification, I will still, no doubt, get flak from certain quarters. Still, that's what you get for telling it as it is!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 19 May 06 - 10:56 AM

Melodeonboy - typical of the pseudo-intellectual wankers who seem to populate this mainly anti-irish forum

What radio station did you present on?

Radio "Talkshite" probably!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 May 06 - 11:18 AM

I was so rivetted by watching the video that I dont think that I noticed the actual song at all. Of course, it may be that time has mercifully erased it from my memory banks,
    I totally support Kate Rusby's efforts in this, but I'm not sure how the record is supposed to advance the cause of folk, as some people are suggesting.. I can see how famous mainstream peformers singing folksongs might have this effect, but surely this is the opposite: obscure folk performer sings pop song. I dont see that that will cause any teenyboppers to rush out and start buying up the Topic back catalogue.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 19 May 06 - 11:41 AM

I didn't hate the track but I think Ronan Keating will - Kate has a very strong voice and she overpowers him - he afterall, is the world famous one and I would expect that this is not a pairing that Ronan will welcome again.

It was quite poppy with synthetic twangyness to make it seem more folkyish.

I expect, like most other car drivers who listen to mainstream radio, that I will at some point find myself singing along.

George

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Firecat
Date: 19 May 06 - 02:35 PM

I heard the song on the radio this morning. Seemed OK

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 19 May 06 - 04:05 PM

Thanks for the erudite and constructive comments, "Guest,DB". Keep up the good work!

I confess to being puzzled by the "anti-Irish" bit! Perhaps you noticed something that I didn't.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 19 May 06 - 06:15 PM

Ahhh she's lovely. She's a lovely Yorkshire lass and she probably loves her Mam. Ahhh she's lovely. She's from Yorkshire you know. Ahhh she's lovely.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: harpmolly
Date: 19 May 06 - 07:57 PM

I watched the video on YouTube and it was actually kind of fun. I liked how there was no pretended "romantic" connection between Kate and Ronan, and how they were more observers. I also liked Kate busking. *grin*

As far as the "how will this advance the cause of folk?" question, I only know how my slightly obsessive brain works. When I am a fan of something, I tend to webstalk it to death, and if it happens to turn me on to something else in the process, I will proceed to hunt down everything I can about that as well. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not--hearing Eddi Reader sing backing vocals on Kate's album "Little Lights" made me curious about her, as she has a lovely voice, but I got her "Robert Burns" album and wasn't that impressed.

On the other hand, hearing Solas perform several absolutely incredible songs written by Antje Duvekot got me interested in her, and having heard more of her, I am extremely impressed. (I especially like the new Solas "Reunion" CD/DVD...few songs have given me such chills recently as the vocal trio of Duvekot, Karan Casey and Deirdre Scanlan singing Duvekot's "Reasonland". Incredible stuff.)

OK, so I'm veering off topic. But the point remains: obsessive fan types like me are highly suggestible to being steered in new directions by association. We can only hope. ;)

Molly

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 21 May 06 - 07:53 AM

Last night I saw some of the Prince's Trust concert on television - there was an ecstatic introduction of Ronan Keating, and he came on and sang with Kate Rusby - but I hadn't noticed the introduction being to 'Ronan Keating and Kate Rusby' or even 'Kate Rusby and Ronan Keating', which was how it came across after the first few bars. Hadn't the introducer been told that Kate would be singing as well?
I have just watched the repeat, in case I was mistaken - and there was no Kate Rusby at all! Is this some kind of censorship?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: JK
Date: 21 May 06 - 12:08 PM

Just love the song...thought they were great together...stopped me in my tracks....JK

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Declan
Date: 21 May 06 - 02:48 PM

Kate was on the "Late Late Show" here in Ireland on Friday night. A few people I met were impressed by her and her singing. So if it gives Kate a bit more exposure over here that will be a good thing.

I haven't heard the record yet myself and don't intend to go out of my way to do so, but there is a re-run of the 'Late Late' during the week, so I might catdh it there.

Oh yeah, your man Keating was on it as well.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Declan
Date: 22 May 06 - 07:55 PM

I missed the start of the Late Late show re-run so despite what I said above I went looking and found it here,

I'll have to say on a first listen it doesn't sound too bad to me. A lot better than I expected. But maybe I'm biased as I've had a few pints with both their fathers!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Declan
Date: 22 May 06 - 07:56 PM

Sorry, forgot the blue clicky. It's here

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: harpmolly
Date: 22 May 06 - 10:21 PM

Declan,

YouTube also has the original music video , which I recommend if you really want to hear Kate's half of the song. That live video cracked me up, though--I kept expecting the female dancer to dislocate something and have to hobble off the stage.

You can tell Ronan, however much he likes Kate's voice, is definitely top dog. Her mike was turned down way too low (and she tends to sing pretty softly live, anyway) and the dancers kept pausing right smack in front of her, leaving him fully visible. *grin*

Molly

(who is actually getting dangerously addicted to this song, cheesy though it is...)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: JK
Date: 23 May 06 - 12:32 AM

Just browsing back at this thread...really enjoyed 'original music video'....thanks Molly!!!...Jane K

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 06 - 10:27 AM

Excellent stuff!!!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: squeezeboxhp
Date: 23 May 06 - 02:46 PM

melodeon boy you really have no manners like her or not if you can't say something nice shut up and any way the villagers of cawthorne will keep her feet firmly on the ground even when she is famous

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: growler
Date: 23 May 06 - 03:25 PM

Hi Guest DB
   I play at many local venues with, that pseudo intellectual wanker. And can tell you that we support singers of varying abilities. If all you can resort to is pseudo intellectual wankism, you deserve our simpathy. Hope you grow up soon

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: growler
Date: 23 May 06 - 03:27 PM

Sorry 'Sympathy '

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,mickey
Date: 24 May 06 - 12:31 PM

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,dave
Date: 24 May 06 - 12:33 PM

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,Pine Marten
Date: 24 May 06 - 12:35 PM

La Rusby has been singing dreary pop music most of her career and this is just the sort of bollocks her weedy simper deserves.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,Anna
Date: 24 May 06 - 01:25 PM

Ronan Keating asked Kate to sing a duet with him, this was a good opportunity for Kate to become more famous and for her music to be appreciated by a wider audience. There is no reason to think that after this duet with Ronan that she will abandon her folk roots and turn to pop.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 24 May 06 - 02:25 PM

"Turn down the light, turn up the radio, there's a fire in your eyes and it's keeping me warm......"

And then Melodeon Boy turns up and the fire goes out, just like it did on the BBC board when he turned up there, and the fRoots board when he turned up there...etc. etc.....

"This time can be like the first time, close your eyes and we soon will be there.."

*Right back there*....in The Arena at Sidmouth's 50th Festival, on a hot, sultry summer's evening...when Kate Rusby held nearly 5,000 people in the palm of her hand, for the entire evening, literally 'underneath the stars'...with her beautiful, gentle, individual voice....her warmth and her gorgeous humour.

"No man could ever guess what you're feeling...."

And there were many men, women and children....who fell in love with Kate that night...

I think it's wonderful that she's finally out there!

I watched her on Top Of The Pops, with my children 11 and 19, who already love her music..and I felt so very chuffed! She shone out amongst all those other pouting, tarty, self-obsessed bimbos....she looked nervous and sweet and Ronan took care of her and smiled right at her.....I think it'll be Number One shortly.

MAGIC!!!.......ROCK/POP/FOLK ON KATE!

And now I'm off to watch the video once more....and beam from ear to ear 'all over again'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kZnIbBrmJE&search=%22kate%20rusby%22

So....if anyone would care to join me....right here....in front of the fire...I'll just 'turn down the light' and........

"Come and step through the stars, take a ride through the universe, as long as we're here let's take the whole thing in....Because this time can be like the first time, close your eyes and soon we'll be there....Just like the first time that you touched my skin and I tasted heaven, take me there again......Your smile, your touch, your taste.....then I'll keep falling in love with you all over again"

'Turn a spark to a flame' and get right behind Kate......she's lighting the way into folk music for many people.

Oh! And put another log on the fire would you? ;0)

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: growler
Date: 24 May 06 - 03:24 PM

Lizzie
With respect, I think you are missing the point. Kate Rusby could hold any amount of people, in her hand, in any concert.She has the right to record any song she wishes, with any singer.
But she is special, when she does what she does best and she does not need to produce an ordinary pop song, to reach a wider audience

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 24 May 06 - 03:49 PM

It might interest both "squeezeboxhp" and our ubiquitous "LC" that I have seen Kate Rusby perform on several occasions - and enjoyed it!; that I have forked out hard-earned money to buy her music because I enjoy listening to it, and that during the ten years that I worked as a radio presenter, I regularly played her music on my programme (admittedly, not quite as regularly as Mike Harding does!) because I thought it worthy of a wider audience.

My crime appears to be that I have stood up and said that ONE of her songs, i.e. the one in question, is awful. Let's get things in proportion, shall we?

Furthermore, "squeezeboxhp", it's all very well saying "If you can't say something nice, shut up", but this is a discussion forum, not a primary school newsletter. I don't intend to be offensive, but I do believe in speaking my mind. And my manners, by the way, are impeccable!

As for you, "LC", what can be done with you? As you are someone who appears on every message board that I've ever contributed to, and who posts probably ten times the number of messages that I do, it really is a case of the pot calling the kettle black when you complain about my "turning up" on different message boards.

If you check on the messages that I've posted to the forementioned message boards, you'll find that most of them are, in fact, not critical or negative as you imply. What you really object to is anyone who disagrees with your opinions or taste in music (I'm not the only one who's had to put up with your incessant bickering, by a long chalk). This, unfortunately, results in your matronly condemnation of any contributor who doesn't toe the LC line, which, ultimately, just wastes everyone's time.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 24 May 06 - 03:59 PM

Oh, Melodeon Boy....I think I lurve you! ;0)

WHY are you always SO angry????? If you don't like Kate's song...fair enough...it's a free world...but why be so OTT about it....there's froth appearing at the corner of your mouth.

You dislike the song....I love it! Each to their own....

Do grow up petal....and remember, just because the bullies are allowed to win, over and over on the R2 board, I can't answer you back over there anymore....but I sure can over here!

I wonder 'who' you are? Very glad *you* didn't offer to lay down in front of the fire with me though! Makes me come over proper poorly at the thought!

Chuckle! ;0)

Take care poppet!



Lizzie :0) xx

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Lanfranc
Date: 24 May 06 - 07:39 PM

Could we digress into some other unlikely pairings?

How about Martin Carthy and Shirley Bassey?

Or June Tabor and Des O'Connor?

Or Annie Briggs and Tom Jones? (Hang on, that last one might just work!)

Must confess myself underwhelmed by the Rusby/Keating offering. It might be an age thing. At least they didn't do another rendition of "Something Stupid" because that would have been!

Back to Radio Saga

Alan

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 24 May 06 - 07:55 PM

LC writes,"If you don't like Kate's song...fair enough...it's a free world".

I agree 100% with this sentiment, "LC", but does this correspond exactly to some of your previous comments, on this and other threads, about those, including myself, who disagree with you?

And do take the trouble to distinguish between reasoned argument and anger!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 25 May 06 - 06:10 AM

I happen to think it's a rather lovely love song. I admit that the first time I heard it, I didn't remember the tune, but...having now heard it again and again..it's firmly, and happily embedded in the 'music' part of brain. (no jokes please!) ;0)

Shall I sing it to you MB? ;0)

You can disagree or agree, whatever you choose, but I've never liked the way that er..'certain people' seem to use messageboards for *purely negative* things, and not much else....and I'll continue to say so, as that's my 'right' too, although this may have escaped you.


"...I remember that moment, like being struck down by lightning, the first time I saw your face, and you smiled......"



No chance of that happening with us then eh Melly? ;0)

Unless of course, you listen to Kate and Ronan until your lil' ol' heart begins to soften. Tell you what, I'll meet you under that lampost...and I'll bring my guitar, then, as the rain softly falls you can stare into my eyes and.....

"....your smile, your touch, your taste.....it turns me on and on and on...then I'll fall in love with you, all over again..."

XX Melly XX



Lizzie ;0)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Big Phil
Date: 25 May 06 - 03:36 PM

Didn't think such a simple post would lead to so much anger, just wondered about Kate thats all............

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: growler
Date: 25 May 06 - 05:56 PM

God why such argument. My Radio has got an off button, and when this record is playing, I use it.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,Lea
Date: 31 May 06 - 04:15 AM

I just heard it and saw the video for the first time yesterday and went here to see what your reactions might be - god!!! Have you checked the fRoots board btw? It's mainly negative about that song...

I have to say that I like it and that I agree -once again- with harpmolly on the subject. Kate is still Kate, the way she sings and even in the video- it's all natural, no acting (I feared that they would pretend to be in love with each other or something!), just a little coffee-stirring and busking. I love that the director let her actually play guitar in the video and Ronan doesn't play anything - she's a real musician and that comes across...

It's in no way world-changing, but it isn't bad musically. And their voices really blend well, something that IMHO seldom happend with the male singers she chose for her records - famous folk singers though they are ;-) The best duet with a male singer was with Davy Steele on Hourglass. I really don't like the duets on Sleepless, all of them, tough I like the singers. I know that a lot of people seem to like the one with Roddy Woomble, but I think their voices don't complement each other very well.
I know I'm drifting apart from the subject but there never was a better combination than singing with Eddi Reader on Little Lights!!

What I really would like to hear is a duet with Alison Krauss!!!

Back to the subject: If I had never come across KR so far and then heard and saw her with Ronan Keating, I would instantly go to iTunes or something and listen to some of her own songs. And have you seen the live clips from the "Princes Trust" concert? She gets extra applause during the song, and that doesn't sound like ten folkies cheering 'Hi Kate'! So I think it's good that she did it, and even better that she did it her way and I'm really curious where it will take her. She is very very clever, business-wise, and I think she will get a lot out of that for her own career.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 31 May 06 - 07:36 AM

I can understand people having opinions, but what I cannot agree with is abusive language - GuestDB, Melodeon boy, Growler, please could we refrain from swearing - argue if you must but is there any real need for bad language.

As I said before I don't think Ronan will sing with Kate again because you can see she has the more dominant voice.........at any volume!

George

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:03 AM

Well, "MBSGeorge", I apologise if I've offended you; that was not my intention. I agree that I'm opinionated, and that I express my opinions forcefully, but I don't think I can be classed as abusive.

A glance at my (not inconsiderable) input to this thread reveals that I have used a mere two words which might be deemed unsuitable for polite society, both of which have letters asterisked out for the benefit of sensitive souls!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 31 May 06 - 03:16 PM

It's only two people singing.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: harpmolly
Date: 31 May 06 - 09:53 PM

Lea--oooh, Kate and Alison, I'd pay good money to see/hear that too. Maybe a little Dan Tyminski for a nice tenor line. Mmmmmmm, yummy. They could do one of those ballads that's drifted over the pond and is sung by English and American trad folkies alike :)

I do have to disagree with you on the Sleepless duets, though. "All God's Angels" with Tim O'Brien...ooh la la!   I still get a little quivery when I listen to that one, even though it's one of hte most depressing songs ever. Ah, Kate. Such a mischievous spirit singing such sad songs--one of the most interesting personality contradictions I've come across. But I, too, really love the blending of her voice with Eddi Reader's. It's like Kat Eggleston singing with Niamh Parsons on her new album--really wonderful stuff.

Molly


P.S. Maybe they didn't create a romantic connection in the video because John McCusker was skulking around behind the camera with his wispy little mohawk and glowering at Ronan threateningly. "No wee blond Irish git is going to be snuggling up to my wife on camera!" (OK, yes, I'm sorry, the mohawk comment was uncalled for, but come on now, admit it...it just looks silly.)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 07:13 AM

Maybe if she gets more famous now, one day the dream-duet with Alison will happen :-) at least Jerry Douglas seems to know some of the irish/english gang, he recorded with Altan fiddler Ciaran Tourish last year on Ciaran's solo album and he plays a tune written by Donal Lunny on the Live album of AK and Union Station...

Yes, Dan Tyminski would be grand, too. Ooh how I like his version of "The boy who wouldn't hoe corn"!!!!!!!!!!
Btw, I heard rumours that Kate & John split up...?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: harpmolly
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:45 PM

Ah yes...AK&US Live is one of my household staples. For some reason I love listening to it while I wash the dishes...nice and bouncy.

Hmmm...where on earth did you hear that rumor? I'd be surprised if that were true. Though I must confess I often find him rather pompous (and I don't like the way he makes fun of her onstage, to be perfectly frank), I can't imagine them splitting up. Who is going to produce all her albums? ;)

M

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,Lea
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 01:12 PM

Hmmm... a friend of mine knows friends of them quite well... I think it *is* true but I think I shouldn't say more, because they will surely want to keep it as private as possible. But as far as I know they split up some time ago but still play music together and all that stuff, so they seem to get along quite well.

But I too am curious if John will produce her next album! It's always good to get some new ideas.. hehe maybe she will do a pop album next - now that she'll become famous ;-) (only joking)...

Best Lea

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: harpmolly
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 01:12 PM

Oooh, I'm so frustrated!

iTunes has an "Acoustic" version of this song, WAY less pop-influenced, but it's only in the UK store. And for some reason, I can't access the UK store with a US account. I don't really see why--it's a digital download for God's sake. (Although I suppose for them, 79 pence probably isn't worth the currency conversion. ;))

What's really bizarre is that, as pathetic as the US store is for Kate Rusby (they've got "Hourglass" and that's IT...hello people, she's been doing this over ten years!) the UK store has nothing. Zip. Nada. It doesn't even know she exists. How can this be?

Grrr....

M

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:58 AM

To my mind, if I ignore RK's singing, it sound's just like a Rusby song anyway, but with a different backing band. So a major departure? I don't think so, just a different avenue.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:51 AM

Yay!   

Not sure who you are, Dean, but thanks for resurrecting this thread. Gawd it's full of old grouches though. ;0)

My link to Kate and Ronan, above, no longer works, but....I found another one...YIPPEE!

'All Over Again' - Kate and Ronan


I love this song..it's so romantic.

"Hold on to me, just like it was yesterday, when we both felt our spirits collide..."

"Come and lay down, feel the space that's between us, feel the magic..."

"this time can be like the first time, close your eyes and soon we'll be there....."


And the fire flickered as the two lovers collided, once more....


"Your smile, your touch, your taste..........."


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... :0)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 06:12 AM

I thought it was very full of possitive comments myself! Everyone, as far as I can see, has wished her the best. Even those who don't like the song as such. I think you may be getting mixed up with another board. Maybe I am reading it wrong:-( Can anyone show me where all the old grouches are?

I am glad the thread was refreshed as well though - FWIW I quite like both of them to listen to but would not buy any because it is not exactly my cup of tea.

As I have not really 'followed' any artist in a long time, does anyone know whether Kate has gone any further with her 'pop' stuff? I notice she did tne music for 'Jam and Jerusalem' but aside from that I have not really seen her in the mainstream. But, as I said, NME is a thing of the past for me so what do I know;-)

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:54 PM

I am not sure about the person who thought Kate was not looking well. I did a radio programme with her over Christmas and she and the baby were looking really well.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:07 PM

I met baby Daisy a couple of weeks ago - she's a wee dote, as her dad might say!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:58 AM

I must say I have just looked at the new link and there was one thing I had forgotton - It is obvious where Kate is from by her accent but Ronan could be from anywhere. Maybe that is the answer to universal stardom! :-)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby (duet with POP star Ronan Keating)
From: GUEST,Casual
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 07:14 AM

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this-too many thrads to read,but RK did a pretty good series on trad.Irish a year or two back on BBC R2,no less.
I'd say he was something of an authority.