BS: McDonald's or Burger King

Subject: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST,Dónde está la carne de vaca
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:18 AM

Hey folks! It's Saturday, the night that's made for dining out. Should we head to McDonald's for a Big Mac or to Burger King for a Whopper?

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:22 AM

McD for a one-dollar double cheeseburger (plain) if you are merely hungry and cheap; the King for a MEAL (tomato-mayo only plus cheese and extra cheese).

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: s6k
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:28 AM

burger king

stick with macDs if you want a quick snack

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:30 AM

I don't eat any of that shit

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: mack/misophist
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:37 AM

Neither. I hate agreeing with Clinton. It makes me doubt my ethical compass.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:58 AM

Only if there's absolutely no other choice!

Maybe Wendy's.....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:03 AM

Of the two , I feel Starvation is the better option !

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: open mike
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM

which ever one offers a veggie burger...

there used to be a common item available

in tennessee near the community called "The Farm"

which is a group of vegetarians....who popularized

the Farm Burger which was the bun with lettuce,

tomato and eveything else except the beef.

http://www.thefarm.org/

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:13 AM

Watch Supersize Me.... Or Honey We're Killing The Kids.... Or Jamie Oliver's School Dinners.... Or.... Or... Or......

You'd have to be an idiot to eat fast food....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM

good job ya don't eat yer werds Clinton..................

(But you is right - just this once)

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Alba
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:34 AM

Pass! ....on Both:)
Alba

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:18 PM

Didja hear that the Dairy Queen is pregnant?

It seems that the Burger King forgot to wrap his whopper.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:01 PM

Pick your poison.......

McDonalds Nutrition Chart



Burger King Nutritional Info


For about the same money (maybe a buck or two more), I'd hit Subway...the food is better for you, fresher and won't make you feel like crap a half hour after enjoying your meal.

Subway Nutritional Info

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:11 PM

There's a McDonald's in Ellsworth, Maine, that serves a pretty good lobster roll....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:22 PM

"I'd hit Subway...the food is better for you"
But let's not try to fool ourselves into thinking that's it's GOOD for us....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:24 PM

I am going with the premise that this thread is in jest -
".......dining out" denotes more than a sandwich, and the stuff from the above mentioned places is.....well, call it a bad tasting 'snack'.

Moral compass be damn'd, Clinton is correct!

Joe may have found the only McDuck's worth stopping by.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:25 PM

The main problem with McDonalds - apart from the ubiquity of its horrid, plasticky outlets, that is, is the BLANDNESS of the food. Quite apart from any concerns about its nutritional value, it tastes, to me, of NOTHING - a mouthful of cotton wool would be tastier!
Nevertheless, even if they served the most sublime, gourmet dishes ever, I still wouldn't eat there - I just can't stand the thought of giant, monopolistic mega-corporations taking over the world ... local is best, down with mega-corps!!!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:33 PM

Just in case anyone is really interested,

I've been a hamburger aficionado all my life, and for the most part, the hamburger has fallen on hard times. But—and this is my conclusion after much careful research—between McDonald's and Burger King, it's Burger King by a country mile. Anyone with taste buds should be able to tell the difference easily. [Okay, Zippy, I know what you're going to say, but just stow it for a bit. Read and learn.]

I had come to this conclusion a long time back. But about a year ago, I saw a television program, the title of which (if I recall correctly) was "On the Floor." Each episode of this program dealt with sending an upper-level executive of the company of the week to work for a week "on the floor" as a peon in the company. One of the things that was notable about the program was that the exec invariable came back with a notebook full of changes that needed to be made, more often than not improving both working conditions and the product or service. Sort of like a general finding out what's really going on on the front lines.

I might point out that these programs were not company "puff jobs." On a few of these programs, a number of incidental things were revealed about the company in question that were not very complimentary.

One of these programs dealt with the Burger King chain. The exec wound up working in a Burger King doing various jobs: working in the kitchen, handing trays out the window to passing cars, talking to customers, talking with the other employees—and learning and taking notes. What was particularly interesting to me as an occasional customer was the procedures that they followed to make sure the customer got a decent hamburger.

They put a great deal of importance on being able to anticipate the demand at various times during the day, and the goal (rule) was that the order should be handed to the customer within a minute and a half of the order being placed. Burgers were made up in advance, according to the estimate. The patty (a better grade than most fast-food places used) was cooked and placed in a fresh bun, then put into a warming oven. When the order came in, the sandwich (meat and bun only) was removed from the warming oven and the various fixin's were added according to the customer's order, e.g., "Tomato, lettuce, ketchup, no onion, no mayo," or whatever combination the customer wanted, packaged, and delivered—the job took maybe half a minute. The burger was customized according to the customer's wishes, using all fresh ingredients.

At McDonald's (and most other fast-food places), I've never been asked how I wanted my burger, they just handed it too me.

Now—here's where the BIG difference comes in:    the burger (bare meat and bun) sits in the warming oven for a maximum of twelve (12) minutes, and if, in that time, it doesn't go out as an order, it is thrown out! They have determined that any longer than that in the warming oven and the meat tends to get soft, the bun begins to get soggy, and the whole thing loses flavor. It turns into what's sometimes referred to as a "sweatburger."

McDonald's in a pinch. But I've been handed many "sweatburgers" out the window of a McDonald's. I'd put Jack-in-the-Box a fairly close second to Burger King. Wendy's . . . isn't bad. I have never got what I would call a gourmet hamburger from Burger King (that, after all, is not what fast-food places are all about), but I've never been handed one that wasn't fresh and tasty.

I don't indulge all that often, but when I buy a hamburger, it had better be pretty decent or I won't be back.

It may depend a bit on where you live, so your mileage may vary.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:36 PM

About a year, year and a half ago, my Trollmate and I went through the house and threw out ALL the junk food.... all the chips... all the instant frozen dinner crap.... all the take-out/delivery menues.... all that skite that is poisoning the western world....

With the exception of occasional pizza cravings when I've been boozing for hours, I don't miss it at all....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:44 PM

Good policy CH.

Why don't you make your own pizzas? Not difficult and can be much more nutritious.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:58 PM

We do.... quite regularily as a mater of fact....

:-)

Not only is it more nutritious, it tastes way better too!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 02:00 PM

If you're well off enough to have the choice, buy some fruit instead.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 02:54 PM

none of them do anthing a sgood as sainburys aberbeen angus one - and really theres no reason why not. Of course burgers are better if you make them yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM

Don,

Have you eaten a hamburger at Zeke's up in Startup (maybe Goldbar)? The one in the railroad caboose? I think Bob Nelson recently confirmed that it is still there. I used to stop there on my way back from climbs in the Stevens Pass area back in the 70s and 80s. Freshly made, big hand-shaped patties of real meat, wonderful real food. They also made their milkshakes with real fruit. You'd have to stop sucking on a strawberry shake to pull the straw out and eat the berry chunk off the end before drinking more through the straw.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Midchuck
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:21 PM

I'm sorry. I like Burger King Whoppers. I know I'm not supposed to. But I've suffered all my life from a reluctance to do what I was supposed to, merely because I was supposed to.

I'm Sorry. I'm Really, Really Sorry. But I like them.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:36 PM

No, Maggie, I can't say that I've ever been to Zeke's, although I've definitely heard of the place. Gotta go sometime.

One of my favorite places in Seattle was a drive-in, but not part of a chain:   Green Lake Jake's, right across from the lake, up by where East Green Lake Way branches off and heads northwest to intersect with Aurora Ave. Oversized bun, oversized patty, and they'd fix it any way you wanted it. Cheese, bacon, tomato, onion (sliced or diced), lettuce, pickle, miscellaneous condiments. You could stack up a regular "Dagwood." Great fries, too. A whole potato's worth, sliced thick, not skinny like McDonald's fries.

Great shakes, too. Not extruded out of a machine. They used real milk, ice cream, syrup or whatever, and mixed it in one of those big cans they'd stick on the mixing machine, then, if you were going to have it there, they'd serve it in a big glass, or if you were taking it out, in a big, fairly solid paper cup.

Many a summer afternoon or early evening, Barbara and I would descend on the place, then take our booty down to the lake shore.

Alas, Green Lake Jake's is no more. It was demolished some years back and an office building now resides on the site. (Sigh)

Folks who are recommending alternatives like Subway (no quarrel with that, very good!) or just eating fruit (or tofu), I'm afraid just aren't getting it. Trying to find a good hamburger in these days when people think a hamburger is merely something to throw out a window at passing cars is like the Quest for the Holy Grail.

Don Firth

P. S. If this keeps up, I might be tempted to post a fairly long article I wrote on hamburgers several years ago. It covers everything from the Boeing food service (retch!!) to the Hasty Tasty (smelled like a greasy spoon, but the burgers were superb!), and includes a side-trip to Denver (they didn't know what a chiliburger is down there!!).

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: number 6
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM

May God, Allah, HaShem, or whatever, have mercy on anyone who eats the food served ar either McDonald's or Burger King.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:52 PM

As I said, 6, your mileage may vary. The Burger King near where I live cranks out a pretty good burger. And I know burgers.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:05 PM

If it has to be a fast food burger, I go with In 'N Out Burger, but it's a Western states chain, so you might not be near an outlet. Still, it doesn't anywhere compare with a good restaurant or home made burger.

I agree with guest DB about the blandness of McDonald's. They are P.R. geniuses to make their burgers #1 in sales.

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: podman
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:07 PM

IN 'N OUT! Better quality, better shake, way cool T-shirts at affordable prices.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:13 PM

Burger King, out of the two. And, for all of you naysayers, it's the same garbage you get when when you cook it at home. The same cruelly-produced beef, dragged through the same shit in the same filthy slaughterhouse. The entire Earth is poisoned, and you'll never escape. So eat some crappy food, why don't ya?

Anyways, for those who want to be more like me, here's my top five corporate whore fast food restaurants:

1. Tied for Culver's (a mainly upper-Midwestern chain, but growing) and Wendy's. With their "butterburgers" and fried cheese curds, Culver's is a huge part of my "dead by 40" plan. And great fries. Wendy's, I'll usually get a "classic single" with onions, nothing else on it. Godly.

2. White Castle. Yeah, yeah, screw you. It's good for you.

3. Burger King. Their fries suck, but their "Whoppers" are like heroin. Big, juicy, fatty heroin. Mmmmmm.

4. Dairy Queen. I don't know why, but the quality of Dairy Queen burgers varies vastly from location to location. But when they're good, they take me back to my childhood, when I'd eat at the Minnesota Zoo DQ. Which may explain why the smell of dolphin-water and monkey-piss makes me strangely hungry... Perhaps I've said too much.

5. McDonalds. Actually, there's about five other places ahead of McDonalds, but I wanted to bitxch about their food, so... So, there's the food, which is horrible, even by fast food standards. The "sweatburger" thing, and all that. But they put all of their horrid little sandwiches in boxes. I mean, what the fuck? Cold food that falls all over your shirt. Nice.

Oh, and I really want to try an In-N-Out burger, someday, if only for the Lebowski connection.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:17 PM

"for all of you naysayers, it's the same garbage you get when when you cook it at home."

Now that is just so much horseskite! Know where the food you're putting in your body is coming from.... It's not hard to do.... It just takes showing a little care for yourself....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:20 PM

I'd rather agree with CH than eat crapburgers

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM

Smell triggers memory. The smell of a Whopper invariably reminds me of my first visit to Burger King, which happened to be in the company of a girl named Sandra with whom I was madly in love at the age of fifteen. The smell of McDonalds holds no such memories.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:35 PM

Oh, c'mon, Clinton. Unless you're raising and slaughtering the cows yourself, you only know where they tell you your food is from. I know farmers who sell to people who, like you, prefer to buy from "people they know" and "places they trust," and it's the same stuff. Filthy, evil, horrid meat. Or perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps up in Canada, there's a wonderful cow retirement home... Where elderly cows sleep on feather beds, eat bon-bons all day, die (with their cow families at their bedsides) of natural causes, and then are magically turned into wholesome piles of ground beef by pixies. Nah. It's blood and shit and terror, and it's the same meat.

And it's delicious.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:56 PM

There used to be a place in Guildford called, I think, Brett's Burgers. The burgers were wonderful: 100% beef cooked to perfection - and Richard Thompson as background music.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:00 PM

Then again there are alternatives. These veggie burgers are on the Saturday supper menu at our house.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:19 PM

Say Clinton.....Do you still smoke? I sure as hell ain't no anti-smoking zealot but why worry about shitfood when you're firng up a pack or two a day? Kinda' silly ain't it?

I mean there are a lot of health and social problems linked to junk food but that list pales in comparison next to the one linked to smoking. Geeziz man, destroying your body through lifestyle choice is my specialty! But then again, you might get run down by a Peterbilt............so if you want to walk a mile for a Camel or have a double plotcher with processed cheese....GO FOR IT!!!

I don't do either anymore but I'm day late and a dollar short. You won't quit either until it comes home to you....not just to roost but to club you with a sledge hammer repeatedly.....on a real personal level and not through lectures.

Is there anyone who thinks a Big Mac is good for them? Does anyone think that cigarettes won't give you heart and lung problems? Go for both or one or neither.....your life, your decisions!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:50 PM

You have to be fast to eat idiot food....



"I'd hit Subway...the food is better for you, fresher and won't make you feel like crap"

The LAST time I was in a Subway (ever!), I watched the guy before me have a stand-up argument with the server. He got eventually given what he wanted. While I was being served by another server, I watched the first server dismantle and replace the ingredients in the trays... If I hadn't been in a real hurry...



I really prefer Sushi now - and it's easy and MUCH cheaper to make it at home, exactly the way you want. Great for party food too.



I remember REAL Aussie hamburgers... individually made to order, you could even look at the uncooked patty and see just how much breadcrumbs they had put in - adding breadcrumbs was a standard English -> Aussie Tradition... now the Yanks have spoiled all that... and Aussie burgers had MORE vege matter than meat... and SLICED BEETROOT! with no Dill Pickles... very hard to find the shops now... which also used to do real 'fish & chips'...

Real burger patties were not just ground meat (and NOT the highest grade meat, the lower grades were for mince!), but had some breadcrumbs or flour (helped to bind and soak up some of the fat) and often onions and even other very small chunks of veges too.



Most amazing burger I had recently was in Toowoomba - in a strange place - 50/60s theme combo second hand junk shop, dance club floor and food bar. I had taken a friend there for her birthday present, and she thoroughly enjoyed the whole place.

The 'serving plates' were heated and folded LP records (lined with paper), which from the titles, were very appropriately used - it being a 'Rock and Roll' era theme place, all those mushy strings and crooner LPs were put to real good use! :-)

The buns were about 6-8 inches in diameter!!!! and PACKED with STUFF! I doubt even Clinton could get his mouth open wide enough to take a bite from top to bottom... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:16 PM

I used to eat at Burger King all the time, but then our local Burger Kings started microwaving the sandwiches after they made them. Nothing worse than a microwaved hamburger bun. Don't know if they've fixed that - it's been years since I had a Whopper.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:40 PM

Setting all questions of health-conciousness aside, why would anyone eat a McDonald's burger given a choice? You could get as much flavor from chewing on a wad of their napkins!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:47 PM

The only time I have ever had a "Big Mac Attack" is about 20 minutes after eating one..................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:50 PM

" Filthy, evil, horrid meat"
Humans evolved to be omnivores... that includes meat.... whether you like it or not...

"firng up a pack or two a day?"
I have NEVER smoked 'a pack or 2 a day'.....

"pales in comparison next to the one linked to smoking"
But this isn't a thread about smoking, is it? Or are you to addled to stick to the topic at hand?

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:02 PM

Just doing a hypocrisy check Clinton. You seem to have plenty so I can check you on the list!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:06 PM

Like it? Hell, Clinton, I love it. My point was that a home-made meat product is basically the same meat product you get at Wendy's.

Hey, anyone ever tried one of these? Or know of a good place to get one?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:31 PM

"My point was that a home-made meat product is basically the same meat product you get at Wendy's."

Then you need to wake the FK up and find out what Wendy's and other fast food places do to your food before they serve it to you...

"Just doing a hypocrisy check Clinton."
Well, you can stuff it troll, cause it's got NO bearing on the conversation.....

Cause this still isn't a thread about smoking

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 08:10 AM

Joe, I had the same experience with BK, going on 20 years ago. After a late ending course at the local branch of a college (still take a class as a Grandpa' a couple times a year), I stopped by the "King and ordered a simple Burger. I watched as rhey took one, already wrapped, from a storage unit and tossed it into a Microwave. I asked "is that my burger and what are you doing to it?" They said they were reheating it. I told them I could have gone on home and done that, the reason for stopping was not to get reheated food. They run their 'open chain broiler' several times a day and precooked all the burgers.

Have not been back since. The only way to get a decent or good burger is a privately owned joint where you will have to pay $8 - $12. I would rather do this twice a month than have a McDucks, BK, etc., twice a week.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 08:43 AM

Gee CH, all those times you do the same thing and now its wrong huh? And here I thought you could take it as well as dish it out.......LMAO

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:21 AM

back in the 70's my colleague & his wife travelled overseas regularly as she worked for Pan Am. If they thought the local food was not hygenic they had McDonalds as they knew there would not be any germs in it. Bland, yes, but germs, no.

Around the same time I had my only McDonalds burger. Normally I would not have eaten them, but we were at the club on a Sunday afternoon & the Bistro was closed so a couple of us went hunting food while the others kept drinking, and the only thing open was the golden arches. This was back in the prehistoric days before Sunday trading (no pubs, no grocery shops, no nuffin')

So we came back to the club with our burgers & found the rest of the mob eating steaks cooked by the barman.

Being broke (no ATMs in those days, either) I sat with my friends in the yard under the green corregated fibreglass roof, eating my sausage-mince burger on soft sugarybun, garnished with 1 teaspoon of chopped onion, 2 or 3 slices of dillpickle, & a wisp of lettuce under the greenish light. I can still see it. I have never forgotten the green burger.

I would have been better just buying a packets of chippies or peanuts from the barman.

sandra

wanna click on the goooooogle ads for Franchising or Wendy's?

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Stu
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:30 AM

"My point was that a home-made meat product is basically the same meat product you get at Wendy's."

Sorry Rex, can't agree with that. Our local butchers tell you where their meat is coming from, the exact farm. Some of the cows, sheep and pigs that become the meat that goes into our joints, burgers, sausages etc we drive past on the way to our Friday night session - the same is not true of the intensively-reared meat you get in the likes of McDonalds. We know our meat was reared in the countryside around the town, and it ate fresh grass and lived a happy life.

I would never eat a McDonalds - these people are taking the piss out of their customers by serving them fatty sugar-laden foods stuffed with starch. It really is crap of the highest order.

Mind you, I have been known to have the odd Burger King occasionaly, so who am I to talk?

stigWeard