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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,Frug Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:57 AM Is Altheimers for people with a lithp..........or is that old hat ?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,Herbie Date: 20 Jun 06 - 10:59 AM Guest is altheimers one of the runners at Ascot today ? I don't think Billy mentioned he owned a horse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: John O'L Date: 20 Jun 06 - 08:43 AM It's Eve. You know, washing in the river. Damned fish'll always smell peculiar now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 20 Jun 06 - 05:12 AM If Billy has altheimers there is hope for all of us, I like Flamenco Ted also smell a fish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,Josephus XXVII Date: 18 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM Don't explain yourself to these assholes Divis Sweeney. He has been sending the weepie pm's again ! "Two Old Cronies" of Misstra Know-It-All. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Divis Sweeney Date: 18 Jun 06 - 11:19 AM Jeri you said. Divis Sweeney, I've gotta hand it to you - you don't post for 5 days, then respond to Keith's post in a thread about 'ageism', less than an hour after Keith posts. That's efficiency! I got a pm from another asking me to visit the thread. Have you got a problem here ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Jun 06 - 08:52 AM Keith.....Just a piece of honest advice. Be done with this thread. Jeri made some excellent points. You have nothing to gain here. There is certainly duplicity going on and the entire thread began with a dubious post. Try and trust me on this (as well as Jeri) and know that leaving this thread brings you no loss..........To make it really blunt: You're being had Dad...Don't bite!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Jeri Date: 18 Jun 06 - 08:34 AM Keith, I suspect you're right, or close, which is why I wrote what I wrote above. There is no chance at all of making peace or reaching understanding with someone who's motive is manipulation. I can believe in the Alzheimers, because that can affect a person's personality and ability to reason. Whether a 74-year old guy with Alzheimers who's new to the internet would even use the term 'ageism', spend his time here getting involved in fights, copy-paste quotations like an old hand and then make a broad but completely insubstantial accusation of the entire forum population when they get burnt, is ludicrous. Also know that people aren't stupid and you don't have to keep trying to 'out' this person. Folks can read what Billy McKinly has written on other threads. People often figure out what's going on and walk away. Whoever this person is, s/he is playing you like a pro. I'm not saying I think you should stop if you're enjoying the exchange. I'd guess you've picked up a bit of a bit of a 'special friend'. Divis Sweeney, I've gotta hand it to you - you don't post for 5 days, then respond to Keith's post in a thread about 'ageism', less than an hour after Keith posts. That's efficiency! So Keith, to recap, people can be pretty dense at times, but we usually can figure out whether something other than the obvious is going on. No, I don't/can't know if Billy is really someone else, but I'm sure there's duplicity and outright lying going on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 18 Jun 06 - 08:27 AM Your anger does you credit Sweeney, for if this thread is false it is a filthy business. Why repeat again the empty accusation that I have an Irish hang up? How many times must I refute it and challenge anyone to find an example of it in my posts? I have posted many times to discussions but only to criticise the paramilitary men of violence from ALL sides. You will find no exceptions. You have chosen to make public our correspondence by pm, where we discussed matters in a way that transcended our differences in the threads. You know from them that only last year I welcomed a lovely Catholic Irish girl in to my family. She and my son were with me today after they were at Mass. I hope that my suspicions are wrong, but there is no wrong in voicing suspicions, along with reasons for them. Good luck now Seamus, Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,Big Mama Date: 18 Jun 06 - 08:25 AM Enough, already! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Divis Sweeney Date: 18 Jun 06 - 07:38 AM Keith if you have anything to say, say it. I have neither time or interest to play games with you. All I see is half assed remarks by you saying I am posting under another name. I stopped posting to last the thread you started because guest vistors strung you along and you foolishy answered them. Then in that half assed fashion that lacks backbone, you try to say it was me posting under guest ! Keith I have been in touch with you many times by pm over the last year and gave many explanations to things you requested. Be assured Keith I don't have any back doors, If I have anything to say to you I will say it. I have received a number of pm's from other members Keith regarding you. As to my own personal opinion of you, I have made a great error of judgement as I once considered you as a friend. Go take a long hard look at yourself and try to get over any hang up you have concerning the Irish. Sadly it has been said by so many that you lost credibility on your last thread. In my opinion You were once a fine member of the mudcat forum. People know me Keith, they admire my conviction to Republicanism and know I do not need to hide behind guest posts as a weak man does, yes Keith a weak man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 18 Jun 06 - 06:41 AM I take it from that, that you could not find a single post to back up your allegation. Withdraw? Apologise? I suspect that I will have to go on waiting, as with Billy and Divis Sweeney. Do I believe in Billy? To be honest, it is difficult. Every case is different, but of the two cases in my family any attempt to teach computing and internet posting would have led only to frustration, anger and failure. I tend to agree with the person who posted, "If you can do this much with a computer, your doctor's diagnosis was undoubtedly incorrect! Congratulations! You don't have Alzheimer's. " I also looked at his previous posts, and duplicated his first, a rabid rant against England football supporters. No trace of alzheimers. (Billy was wrong to suggest that poor grammar is an early symptom.) In his first post here Billy did a neat cut and paste job on a post of mine. But it was not just a cut and paste. He also editted out a phrase that showed him in a bad light. I made that post at 7.21 on June 6th. I did not start with just, "I will miss Billy.", I wrote "I will miss Billy, even though he called me a liar and could not substantiate it." Not a bad achievement for an elderly Alzheimers patient who has only just learned to turn a computer on! But IF it is all just a cynical lie, who would do such a thing? Who would fein a crippling brain disease just to make me look bad? Hardly likely to be a newcomer to mudcat. It would have to be a long standing antagonist of mine. But I can only think of one such. A couple of weeks ago I pointed out that both Billy and Divis Sweeney mispelt "liar" as "lair" In my 32 years of teaching I can not remember anyone making that mistake. Can anyone else? Now this is not proof of co authorship. It is circumstantial at most, and last time I did apologise for even pointing it up. However, in the light of this thread I feel that it is only fair to put it before people who may have been taken in by this disgusting lie, IF that is what it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:06 AM Ill tell you why I am angry. You make out you are so nice in your posts you bastard but you obviously dont believe us about the alzheimers. All you are doing is taking the piss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:54 AM (no wonder you find me a total bore. You must have spent hours pouring over all that stuff!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:34 AM Words fail you ? Pity. I would like you to explain why you are angry. Where you saw the ageism. Remember I have offered Billy a face saving way out before he told us of his condition. on May 28th I wrote, "Billy, You have called me a liar. If you can not do links, give the name of the thread and date/time of my post, and I will do the links for you. Perhaps you were just carried away with understandable emotion, and would like to take it back? Keith. " Also Guest, you wrong me. I have sometimes, though rarely, replied in kind to an attack, but I have never attacked anyone. I may disagree with them but I do so politely and never personally. I challenge you, who have studied my posts at least back to 2001, to find an single exception. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: jacqui.c Date: 16 Jun 06 - 09:37 PM Wrong again Guest. Get your facts straight or go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:42 PM I expect jacqui.c to be nice to Keith, considering the time they spent with him over the weekend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:35 PM What planet jacqui.c do you live on ! Keith A of Hertford has attacked more members than Martin Gibson ! Total bore. Sorry jacqui, I have no sand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: jacqui.c Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:22 PM I know Keith well and know that he would not deliberately offend - I've seen him go out of his way NOT to. I think that 'Guest' here, who obviously has not the sand to name themself, is just trying to start trouble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Jeri Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:19 PM I don't believe much of this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:03 PM Does anyone believe the above post ! Words fail me. Ageism on mudcat alive and well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM guest, I am sure you mean well, but you are not helping Billy. He may not remember now why he called me a liar. I was offering him a face saving way out. I just wish I could have explained that to you by pm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 16 Jun 06 - 10:44 AM The above post from Keith A of Hertford has to be the most nauseating and demeaning I have ever read on Mudcat. Keith A of Hertford you have crossed the threshold of human decency. SHAME ON YOU. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jun 06 - 09:59 AM Perhaps, with all your difficulties, you got me confused with someone else. Perhaps it was not me who lied to you at all. Maybe it was one of your old army comrades? Perhaps one of those who gave you all those beatings? Or maybe it was one of your chums from Cambridge University? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jun 06 - 02:10 AM I hope that I did not worry you with my last comment. You may not have been here long enough to know that there are certain contributers who are always ready to think the worst of you, and to challenge you in the most hurtful way. Such people may point to this post from Divis Sweeney, which actually was a cynical lie to make me look bad, and draw all the wrong concusions. If there is anything I can do to help you sort out this stuff about me being a liar, please just ask. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Jun 06 - 07:11 PM Billy, When I made my post I had no way of knowing your condition. Being honest, I did not believe that you were old enough for national service. I had looked at your posts. Here is the first. "See work has got underway at Colditz Castle in the town of Colditz near Leipzig to house the England supporters. We can all be assured they will never let us down when it comes to punch up's, wrecking businesses, breaking windows, insulting people in the street, breaking the odd jawbone of a passing 80 year old in the street. Ah all to look forward to. Oh not forgetting their National Front jibes and songs in the terraces. " You should be proud. There is nothing in this or any of your posts to suggest Alzheimers. I was angry when you said that you had found some of my posts that made me a liar. I am glad now that I only politely asked you to repeat them. I even offered to make the links for you if you could only give the thread name and the dates. That offer still stands. Perhaps your grandson could help you. Two people very close to me have been cursed by Alzheimers. One still lingers. I can not imagine how I could have persuaded either to start posting to an internet forum. Your grandson must be a remarkable person. To anyone who may be thinking that this thread is just a cynical ploy to make me look bad I say SHAME. No one could be that low. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 10 Jun 06 - 12:56 PM Ran accross this ditty....realted to seniors and workshops.
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Scoville Date: 08 Jun 06 - 02:43 PM Foolstroupe--that's me, all right, and I'm 28 so I can't blame it on age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: dick greenhaus Date: 08 Jun 06 - 11:52 AM I forget who told me that, as one grows older, one gains a stronger belief in the Hereafter. .like, when I walk into a room aand ask myself, "What in Hell did I come here after..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:55 PM Mr. Greenhouse:
Thank You! Delightful verse - one worth memorizing - and fighting back at dementia.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:51 PM Less than TWO - mostly B.S. years....
Sorry Big Dave Ohhh, Ohhh, OOOOOOWWWHHHHHHAAAAAAA (they just invaded my donut hole!!!!)
You have been won as the Spring Chicken for this year's pluckin contest in August....with a statement like: I will say that, as one of the senior members here Look out men there is tender meat under your feet....and he thinks he is Cock 0 de Walk! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:04 PM The Old Sailor by A.A. Milne There was once an old sailor my grandfather knew Who had so many things which he wanted to do That, whenever he thought it was time to begin, He couldn't because of the state he was in. He was shipwrecked, and lived on a island for weeks, And he wanted a hat, and he wanted some breeks; And he wanted some nets, or a line and some hooks For the turtles and things which you read of in books. And, thinking of this, he remembered a thing Which he wanted (for water) and that was a spring; And he thought that to talk to he'd look for, and keep (If he found it) a goat, or some chickens and sheep. Then, because of the weather, he wanted a hut With a door (to come in by) which opened and shut (With a jerk, which was useful if snakes were about), And a very strong lock to keep savages out. He began on the fish-hooks, and when he'd begun He decided he couldn't because of the sun. So he knew what he ought to begin with, and that Was to find, or to make, a large sun-stopping hat. He was making the hat with some leaves from a tree, When he thought, "I'm as hot as a body can be, And I've nothing to take for my terrible thirst; So I'll look for a spring, and I'll look for it first." Then he thought as he started, "Oh, dear and oh, dear! I'll be lonely tomorrow with nobody here!" So he made in his note-book a couple of notes: "I must first find some chickens" and "No, I mean goats." He had just seen a goat (which he knew by the shape) When he thought, "But I must have boat for escape. But a boat means a sail, which means needles and thread; So I'd better sit down and make needles instead." He began on a needle, but thought as he worked, That, if this was an island where savages lurked, Sitting safe in his hut he'd have nothing to fear, Whereas now they might suddenly breathe in his ear! So he thought of his hut ... and he thought of his boat, And his hat and his breeks, and his chickens and goat, And the hooks (for his food) and the spring (for his thirst) ... But he never could think which he ought to do first. And so in the end he did nothing at all, But basked on the shingle wrapped up in a shawl. And I think it was dreadful the way he behaved - He did nothing but bask until he was saved! Which, btw, sings well to almost any single jig: Lary O'Gaff, Father O'Flynn, Irish Washerwoman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:53 PM "Corpus mentis" - nice apt coinage in the situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:51 PM Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder. Recently, I was diagnosed with : A.A.A.D.D. - Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder. This is how it manifests: I decide to water my garden. As I turn on the hose in the driveway, I look over at my car and decide it needs washing. As I start toward the garage, I notice mail on the porch table that I brought up from the mail box earlier. I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car. I lay my car keys on the table, put the junk mail in the garbage can under the table, and notice that the can is full. So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the garbage first. But then I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the garbage anyway, I may as well pay the bills first. I take my check book off the table, and see that there is only 1 check left. My extra checks are in my desk in the study, so I go inside the house to my desk where I find the can of Coke I'd been drinking. I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the Coke aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over. The Coke is getting warm, and I decide to put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold. As I head toward the kitchen with the Coke, a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye --they need water. I put the Coke on the counter and discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning. I decide I better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers. I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly spot the TV remote. Someone left it on the kitchen table. I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, I'll be looking for the remote, but I won't remember that it's on the kitchen table, so I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers. I pour some water in the flowers, but quite a bit of it spills on the floor. So, I set the remote back on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill. Then, I head down the hall trying to remember what I was planning to do. At the end of the day: -the car isn't washed - the bills aren't paid - there is a warm can of Coke sitting on the counter - the flowers don't have enough water, - there is still only 1 check in my check book, - I can't find the remote, - I can't find my glasses, - and I don't remember what I did with the car keys. Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all day, and I'm really tired. I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail. Do me a favor. Forward this message to everyone you know, because I don't remember who the hell I've sent it to! Don't laugh -- if this isn't you yet, your day is coming!! Sorry about the cut-and-paste, but the author knows whereof he writes. He's forgotten that he left the hose running in the first sentence! I also can't remember where I found this in the first place... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:17 PM My thing is I'll go upstairs to do something, forget what it was I came up to do, and have to go down stairs again in order to retrieve my thoughts and come on back up to do whatever it was. Mind I used to do the same thing when I was at school, which was a long time ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: George Papavgeris Date: 07 Jun 06 - 07:06 PM I agree with Dave O. When we call someone an "old fart", it's not the "old" that we're focusing on. On a serious note, I lost a relative to Alzheimers a few years back. She was only in her early fifties when the disease first became apparent, and took a very long time to develop, most of which she was corpus mentis, if increasingly forgetful. And that was before the newer treatments available. You'll be all right, Billy, keep smiling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Jun 06 - 05:52 PM Billy McKinley: Since you attribute ageism to Mudcat, I will say that, as one of the senior members here, I have never received any criticism, insult, or whatever because of my age. Sometimes on some other basis (sometimes deserved) but not age. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Jun 06 - 05:49 PM GUEST Billy McKinley: I have to disagree with you, in at least two ways. First, you should know that I am almost 76 now, so that you know where I'm coming from. The post you quoted, in my opinion, does NOT show ageism. It has two sentences. The first is a mere statement of fact and a reasonable, almost inevitable, conclusion. You can't disagree with it, or your whole premise of ageism disappears. The second sentence could refer to ANYONE who made the claim of prestigious education but whose actual operation in the world seems to belie that education. Age isn't involved. There is not a suggestion in the second sentence that his language difficulties have anything to do with him age. It is you who appears to make that connection. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Ebbie Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:45 AM I heard someone say not to worry if you can't find your keys- a person with Alzheimers doesn't remember what the keys are for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST,Billy McKinley Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:20 AM I find it's the smallest things I get stuck with and then a bit of a panic sets it. If this sounds right, it's like trying to sound sober when you know your not ! Like the above jokes, excellent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Mr Red Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:22 AM And how many times do people go upstairs (or to the photocopier) and spot an interesting problem and return only to realise they didn't do what they set out to? OK it happened to me as a teenager - but not nearly as often. The thing, Billy, about discussing the effects of aging is that others have been there before and solved the problems. We learn. And abrupt comments strike home faster - reply in kind if you want but don't get sucked into being goaded by a flamer - and I don't mean Clinton (reallllllllllllllllllly). The only problem is remembering the solution. I make lists now. I speak to myself repetitively when going upstairs, and come down with a new song but not what I went for. As Roy Bailey says when out with a date (these days) "Is this place yours or mine?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 07 Jun 06 - 02:08 AM Hiya Billy! OK, so this old guy isn't feeling too well, and his wife brings him to the doctor, who examines him from head to foot. "Right," says the doctor, "we're going to need a blood sample, a urine sample and a stool sample." The old guy turns to his wife and asks, "What did he say?" She replies, "Show him your underwear!" Seamus (who is a card-carrying member of AARP) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Jun 06 - 01:43 AM "I jus' get up every day and go out there and force myself to remember stuff... " I don't bother - I just make it up as I go along... much easier Bobert! "Hey, if I can hold my own, you can too" Hey, _I'm_ NOT holdin' it mate!!!!!! {:P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Bobert Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:12 PM Oh yeah, an' make piccures in yer mind of yer friends and family folks... That is a big help... Think of it as like yer mind tryin to atophy like a muscle an' so just exercise the heck out of it... One thing is fir certain... You can relearn stuff that you unlearned if you will work ast it... I promise you can... An' please feel free to PM me... I got lots of tricks (exercises)... I mean it... Hey, if I can hold my own, you can too.... An'iove to piss off a few Bush supporters, as well... (Oh, yer a Bush supporter??? We can talk about this, as well...) Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Bobert Date: 06 Jun 06 - 10:46 PM Yo, Billy, Talk about sentences, shoot, I can't half type 'er spell... I know that either I got some Alzheimers 'er I'm jus' a space case... Shoot, what's the diff??? Hey, I jus' get up every day and go out there and force myself to remember stuff... It;s like a daily exercise... Every day, I can't remember names of some folks but can remember otrhers so as I go thru the day and remmeber folks names, I write 'um down... I also do math evry day... I read the newspaper every day... I won't gove in to Alzhiemers tho I suspect that I have a touch of it... I play my music every day... It all about getting up every mornin' and sayin' I will come out with more points on the vorad at the end of this day than Alzheimers.... I know in my heart that if I didn't fight it could win a few months 'er years... So I fight like Hell, Billy, and you can as well... Find stufff the keep yer mind in the ballgame... Go over an inventory every day of yer friendsd and yer family and where you live and what is gfoingon in the world... Yeah, it's a fight at times but do it... Do it every day... Fight with it and you can beat the crap out of it... Okay, maybe not beat the crap out of it but, at least, stay in the game.... You can do it!!!! I promise!!!! Just fight like Hell!!! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Jun 06 - 10:29 PM It's really unfair to accuse most of us here at Mudcat of ageism. Most of us here are really old, and we can't help it. -Joe Offer, aging quickly- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:55 PM MisfortunateOldAntiquatedBastards |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:52 PM Menstrating Oxen Arabian Beef |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:50 PM MOAB?
Minstrels Of Arizona Bi-xual???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ageism on mudcat From: Rapparee Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:37 PM Well, I'm only 61, but welcome. One suggestion, and this is for everyone: remember that computers can't do anything except show what is typed in. So facial expressions, etc. that might mitigate a statement in conversation or even show humorous intent can't work here. Emoticons take up a little of the slack, but not much. So unless it's an all out vicious attack, don't automatically assume you've been attacked. I call Amos all sorts of things, over on the MOAB, but I'm not serious about it and I think he knows it. At least, I hope he does.... |
