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Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu

GUEST,Low Tide 06 Jun 06 - 06:40 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Low Tide
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:40 PM

Hello, I hope I am using this site right. I tried a search for this song, and I have been searching on the internet for the lyrics for months now and I cannot find more than the first line.

I understand that "Ja Helo" is a Hebrew folk song, but it is also described as a "Czech mountain holler" in the Freedman Catalog, which is the only site I have been able to find with any info about the song at all. Their entry is here

They give the first line of the lyrics, but in the recording I have, it sounds like there are other words, at least one more line. They give the first line as "Ja, helo, helo, Malenka, Jako sa tabe pasu?" but I am very interested to know all of the words, and possibly what they mean if anyone knows how I can discover that.

If you want to hear the recording I am talking about, you can download it from this page, which is the official site of the band The Infernal Noise Brigade. Just click on the link that says "Ja Helo" on that page and you can hear the song.

Anyway, I appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

~ Low Tide

lowtidepub@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pas
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:45 PM

I'll look around....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Low Tide
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:45 PM

Thank you very much! I appreciate you even trying. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pas
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:45 PM

I'm assuredly no expert on this, but this song doesn't strike me as Hebrew, either in the words or in the feel of the song. The Czech origin feels better to me, for whatever it may be worth.

Of course, I have been known to be wrong. (A handsome admission, if I do say so!)

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:49 PM

Found a site (that references Elektra Records 'Nonesuch' label) whereon is posted that the title of the song is "Pastevecke (Helokanie)".

Possibly that will help with the search.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Low Tide
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:51 PM

I felt the same way, Dave. Eastern European origin of some sort was certainly what I thought when I first heard it - it actually reminded me of a Bulgarian chant a friend just taught me. But the information I have been able to find online has been ... fragmented at best. I have always had a fondness for Hebrew chant, so when I found a site that said it was that it seemed to make sense, but I think we all know the internet isn't necessarily always a reliable information source. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:51 PM

"Of course, I have been known to be wrong. (A handsome admission, if I do say so!)"

The last time Uncle Dave O was wrong was the day he thought he'd made a mistake. The song IS credited as coming from the Czech Republic, and the words quote in the first post are neither Yiddish nor Hebrew.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Low Tide
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:52 PM

Oh, that is wonderful, Peace, thank you!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:05 PM

OK. This may take a bit of work. The following site

lola.plymouth.edu:2082/record=b1061622

Has the record in their collection. It is in Location 'Record Albums' Main and the call number is 1531. I know you have heard the song, but something I read says that the songs are translated in the liner notes or record sleeve. Maybe a sympathetic librarian could look it up for you? Scan it and e-mail?

Their help desk is at      helpdesk@plymouth.edu



Title Folksongs of Eastern Europe. [Phonodisc]
Imprint Nonesuch Records [1966]



LOCATION CALL # STATUS
RECORD ALBUMS (MAIN)   1531         AVAILABLE


Physical description 2 s. 33 1/3 rpm. microgroove. stereophonic. 12 in
Note Press notices on slipcase; texts, with English translations ([4] p.) inserted
"Contains folksongs of Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., and Yugoslavia
Contents Shto mi e milo.--Zaspala e fida.--Dumai, zlato.--Di arbuzn.--Maika rada sitno plete.--Szerelem, szerelem.--Portland town.-Pastevecke "Helokanie".--Letyat utki.--Oifn oivn.--Dilmano, dilbero.--Mamko.--Tudora.--Will you miss me when I'm gone?--Ladarke
Note Sung by the Pennywhistlers
Subject Folk songs
Alt author Pennywhistlers
Continues sd-bsmenn"


It's the day of fax machines and you have been looking for months. Worth a try, maybe?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:11 PM

Also, the group Libana does the song. I can't find a way to reach the artists direct, but you could write their manager (Cherrie Corey) at

LibanaInc@aol.com

If she'd be kind enough to pass the request for lyrics along, possible one of the people in the group would send them to you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Low Tide
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:13 PM

Wow, Peace, what a great idea!

I found that site as well, but never thought of contacting them. I really appreciate your help, I will email them right now!

~ Low Tide


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:14 PM

University of Nevada, Las Vegas - Library /All Locations

They also have the record AND THE LINER NOTES.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Low Tide
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:24 PM

Hm, I am at the UNLV Music Library website and I am thwarted. Could you possibly post the link you found?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:25 PM

Oops, nevermind, I just found it in Google! Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:29 PM

If none of this renders the words, there are some other options. One that comes to mind is to contact Czech fraternal or cultural organizations.

I will look further tomorrow, but with all the looking you've done in the past few months, it's likely that the lyrics aren't on the 'net (or if they are, they are well-hidden on a site somewhere with other material). However, don't give up hope. We WILL find the words, that's a given.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 08:30 PM

Regarded as a Czech mountain holler; sung by The Pennywhistlers on their first album for Nonesuch H72007, in 1965 : "Folksongs of Eastern Europe"; taught by both Ethel Raim (USA) and Frankie Armstrong (UK); esp in Frankie's many Voice Workshops around the globe over the years.

A Czech friend said she thought the language was not "standard Czech", but either Slovak or Moravian or one of the "old" mountain dialects.
However, she roughly translated it something like :
"Hello, Hello, little one. How are they grazing for you?
And you are such a pretty little girl - Hello, Hello!"

(ah, the old pick-up lines are the same all over the world, eh!!!)

The words (as given by The Pennywhistlers) for Pastevecke "Helokanie" are :

Ja helo, helo, Malenka
Jako sa tebe pasu?
A ty se velech panenka
Ja helo, helo!


Of course, there is an accent over the last "e" in "pastevecke" and a circumflex(?) thingy over the "s" in "se" - I don't know how to add these things correctly :~)

A great song to belt out, once you've learnt to "open up" and sing from the belly!!! LOL


Cheers! R-J
(Down Under)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pas
From: Artful Codger
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:10 PM

With the diacriticals:

Pastevecké "Helokanie"

Ja, helo, helo, Malenka.
Jako sa tebe pasu?
A ty še velech panenka
Ja, helo, helo!

Pronunciation:
c = ts
ch = kh
š = sh

I'm pretty sure the language is Slovak; there are too many differences from standard Czech (where, for instance, it would be Malenko, jak se, pasou...) I'm guessing the Pennywhistlers attributed it geographically (eastern Moravia?) rather than linguistically.

The name Malenka is probably derived from malý (little) or malina (raspberry).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pas
From: Artful Codger
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:27 PM

Here's another hollar I like:

Musel by to chlap býť
Čo by ma chcel nabiÅ¥, vyberaný!
Valaška pri boce,
Len sa tak ligoce,
Ej! Opaštek vibíjaný!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 10:25 PM

Dat's how dey anser da fone in Milwaukee:
    Ja? Helo? Helo?

....sorry.
-Joe Offer, Milwaukee Boy from down by Mitchell Street, where the streetcar turns the corner round-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pas
From: Artful Codger
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 03:50 AM

Er, that was supposed to be nabiť in the second line.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Low Tide
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 03:15 PM

Wow, I can't believe how nice and helpful you all have been! Thank you everyone for all your posts and emails ... I never expected a response like this.

And no need to apologize, Joe, that was funny! ;)

Once again, thank you everyone so very much!

~ Low Tide


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:23 AM

Malenka stems from little one, it's a Slavic term of affection.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,chanteygrrl
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 10:42 PM

I know it's been a while since this thread was active, but I came across it via a Google search on something you might find interesting! According to Wikipedia:

'"Warszawa" is a mostly instrumental song by David Bowie, co-written with Brian Eno and originally released in 1977 on the album Low...The mysterious lyrics and the piece of melody in the middle part of the song are based upon a recording of "Helokanie" by Polish folk choir Śląsk.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gy94N_mcWs


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,almde
Date: 14 Oct 19 - 04:52 PM

Nowadays the song is the hymn of the group Polish group Zespól Piesni i Tanca Slask (founded in the early fifties) . The origin of this song is said in the High Tatras , the mountains between Slovakia and Poland. In those days the shepherds used to "communicate" this way. You may check out the music from Podhale, Poland as well.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 14 Oct 19 - 05:04 PM

The magic of YouTube


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,almde
Date: 14 Oct 19 - 05:37 PM

Here's a link for Padhale by Mazowsze. Note the introduction by the 8 female singers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-HRfVhE3O0

Check out Wikipedia for more details of "mounting singing" by Slask and Mazowsze.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Oct 19 - 05:42 PM

That cut is wonderful, Starship. The singers are Singfrauen Winterthur from Switzerland, singing a song from the Tatras of Poland/Slovakia in Berlin.

Once upon a time, I had the chance to encounter the music and food and unspeakable beauty of the Tatras. It's a fascinating area.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: rich-joy
Date: 14 Oct 19 - 10:08 PM

There are now many variants of this song on YT, (and some are, naturally enough, more to my taste than others!)

The Yale Slavic Chorus has used it as a "Calling On" song after interval and there is also a version from an all-male ensemble from Montpellier.
However, I have now located the version from which I first learnt this holler - as detailed in my post above of 06June2006 - by seminal group, The Pennywhistlers, from their 1967 LP :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t07L_dGvJWA

The Pennywhistlers, founded in the US by the wonderful Ethel Raim, influenced so many ‘western’ singers to vocally explore Eastern European folk music (witness the now widespread Macedonian "Shto Mi E Milo"!) - I am just one grateful recipient - and still a fan, some 50 years on!!

Cheers!
Rich-Joy
(Down Under)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Reinhard
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 02:30 PM

I never noticed this old thread until now.

Peter Bellamy, Alan Rose and Mike Hockenhull sang Helo Malenka in 1985 on the cassette "Sharon and the Students", and this tracks was also included on Peter's anthology "Wake the Vaulted Echoes". They give as their source the Pennywhistlers, too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,almde
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 08:45 PM

I was a youngster hearing “Helloing” for the very first time (early sixties). This song was covered on a LP, released thru Monitor recordings, USA, # MF326 (Vol.2), a performance of Slask based on an arrangement of Stanislaw Hadyna. I have no earlier records and noticed that only “non-Polish entities” wrote what they think about the content and the origin. See also my previous inputs on this subject. Suggestion > try to obtain a reply from the source and let the world know. Personally I never received any response. Please note that I’m non-Polish too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: GUEST,Captain Blue
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 04:09 AM

Countries from Poland to the middle middle east seem to have a version of this tune/melody/song. what the origins are, who knows ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ja helo helo malenka jako sa tabe pasu
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 04:35 AM

Sometimes, I just hate it when Mainly Norfolk has better information than Mudcat does, but I have to say that I am frequently in awe. Great work, Reinhard. We really need to meet in person sometime.

https://mainlynorfolk.info/peter.bellamy/songs/helomalenka.html


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