BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Jul 06 - 12:28 AM

Exactly, Ron. And bin Laden asks for the US and Jordan to return Zarqawi's body to his family for a proper burial, which, of course, he knows will never happen. He'll be dumped in some anonymous hole in the desert. So, besides being rid of the schmuck, and then getting to praise his fallen "lion" in the press, Osama gets to howl with indignation when the body is, effectively, desecrated. A stunning victory for al Qaeda, in every way.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Jun 06 - 09:44 PM

Robo-

I think you know the word "smear" doesn't apply when discussing taste.

Also, do you know what YMMV stands for? I appended that to my verdict on "Wait Wait" and Jon Stewart, as you will see if you read carefully. I stand by my statement on "Wait Wait". You don't agree--fine. I never claimed it was anything but my opinion.

Actually, I'll have to throw myself on the mercy of the court and confess I'm not an unbiased observer in this. I have a hidden agenda here. I'm convinced "Wait Wait" displaced either "My Word" or "My Music"--or both-- on public radio in my area--and both programs are so superior to "Wait Wait" that the mind boggles. (Again, YMMV). It did not speak well for American taste to have "Wait Wait "drive out either of the others. To my mind, "My Music" is the best radio program ever made--I learned so much from it, the stories were so wonderful, the wit was absolutely delightful, it was so much fun--especially to try to guess the components of the medleys--I was usually a total disaster at trying to do it. John Amis, Frank Muir, Dennis Norden--I can't recall the last member of the panel--it's been too long--but they were all just perfect. I would have been happy to hear repeats of it every Sunday forever. Any program even possibly thought complicit in its disappearance will be forever a deep-dyed villain to me.



To return to topic--- Osama is now calling Mr. Z a "lion of jihad", as I recall. As the WSJ noted earlier, he's far more useful now to the insurgency as a martyr than as the loose cannon he had become.. Was he betrayed on purpose? Who knows? It still remains to be seen it his death will help the "war on terror" in any but an ephemeral way. So far, as per Shania (as I said earlier)--it don't impress me much.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Jun 06 - 12:19 PM

When Ron Davies smeared "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" one of the funniest, best natured, and wittiest radio shows in the United States today, that didn't say much to his rudeness, just his sensitivity and ability to dicriminate.

Meanwhile, Osama has released a tape praising al-Zarqawi and beseeching the Americans to give his body back to his family. I wonder where his remains have been all this time and what stories will be made up about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 11:50 PM

In an effort to clarify-- the "brutal terrorists" are in fact enemies of the US. But, Hubby, your attitude--and Bush's attitude--are only creating more brutal terrorists. Bush needlessly and stupidly attacked Iraq. You supported this. That doesn't say much for your mental processes--or his.

It was obvious to me--just from reading the Wall St Journal coverage on Iraq before the invasion--that Bush had not proven his case--in fact he had no evidence to justify the invasion. And as I said earlier, I called the White House comment line to tell him exactly why it was a criminally stupid idea--mostly because of the terrorists who would be springing up due to the broadcast of pictures of dead Iraqi women and children.

Bushites are now threatening to attack Iran. If they do, there will be more terrorists. Neither you nor any other Bushite has come up with one shred of evidence to counter this assertion.

I'm still-with the patience of Job--waiting for you to do so.

You're a master at smearing as terrorist sympathizers those who disagree with you. Not very good at anything else.

As Mick points out, virtually the whole civilized world stood with the US directly after 9-11.   I supported the attack on Afghanistan and the hunt for Osama. Why, pray tell, is he now Osama Bin Forgotten? Bush has now squandered a great opportunity--and alienated most of the world in doing it.

And why any sentient being--which we hope includes you--supports him is beyond me.

Just start thinking--instead of regurgitating half-digested Limbaugh and Fox News drivel.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -

OK LR - You are not the rudest. And I am sure that the folks will survive the vicious attacks. Humans are a resilient group if nothing else.

I'll put my Dos Centavos here just for shits and giggles - Bush's failure is a genetic issue. His dad was worthless and there just is no arguing with poor genetics. And his second problem is that worthless sack of manure Rumsfeld. So in total I'd say this is the worst war administration in history.

I don't know if the war is right or wrong. I'm way to small a fish to even begin to comprehend why an oil magnate would want to fight in Iraq - or why the #2 guy has Haliburton Brown Root and Knudsen doing the contract work there. In Vietnam it was the same names doing the contract work. Wait do I detect a link?

Anyway - do you all have a spell checker? I am terrible without one - too frickin funny -

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 11:40 AM

Pointless. No neurons firing whatsoever.

Plus, things are rarely, if ever, completely black or white; life isn't that simplistic and/or made up of BuShite Sound Bites AKA "you're either with us or an enemy of the US.

Time for me to move on to something more productive, like pounding salt down a rathole. Engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent gets old pretty fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 10:43 AM

"Read it again, Bubby, slowly, carefully, and this time for comprehension:

he's talking about accusing people who don't agree with your BuShite bullshit of being enemies of the U.S.

Got it?"



No Greg,

You're wrong, as usual.

I see that your comprehension skills are no better than your debating skills.

So if I go by your standards then the "brutal terrorists" he mentioned in his post aren't enemies of the US?


They either are or they aren't.


If they are then why are you and Ron so against us killing them just because of what bin Laden thinks about it?

If they're not, then that says volumes about what you and Ron think about what happened on 9/11.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 09:45 AM

Hubby, you seem to misunderstand a principle of war. Wars are always won by those most committed to winning. That is fundamental. Overwhelming force will always fail, eventually, against an enemy more committed to the priniciple they are fighting for. Examples: Vietnam, Afganistan against the Russians, Ireland, and I could go on and on. We can't ultimately win in Iraq, because the guy that started the war did so on bogus terms. There were no weapons of mass destruction, the guy had nothing to do with 9-11, he was not involved in the war on terrorism, he did not pose a threat to us. This President squandered the good will of the people of this country by going in for show, with an ill conceived plan, undermanned, and underbudgeted due to ill conceived tax cuts. He squandered the precious lives of our young warriors for a war with a false purpose. Now he is changing the predicate that he fights the war on. And the result of all this is that he has a country strongly divided. Which means that the committment necessary to "win" this war is not there. Sound familiar? Think "the 60's".

You can kill all the Zarqawi's you want, but the outcome will be the same. Another will step in..... and another ......... and another. Until we come up with some bogus reason for pulling out, just as we had for going in.

The real shame is that we had the good will of the world, and the determination of the people of this country, to attack and destroy the terrorists who were responsible for 9-11 and other attacks. Had we stayed the course and hunted Bin laden in Afganistan, this President would be in good shape. And the world would be safer and more united. This is why one must elect statesmen and not egomaniacal and misguided guys like this.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:59 AM

Read it again, Bubby, slowly, carefully, and this time for comprehension:

he's talking about accusing people who don't agree with your BuShite bullshit of being enemies of the U.S.

Got it?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:44 AM

"I'd say that accusing somebody of support for brutal terrorists, enemies of the US"


Thank you, Ron. You have finally admitted that they are our enemies.

What do you do with your enemies? You fight them. You try to kill them.

Where?

Wherever you can find them.

Whenever you can find them.

So why do you keep on insisting that we "cut and run" and withdraw from Iraq?. Isn't that where the enemies are?


Why turn around and go in the other direction when we know where they are?

Can you answer THAT question?


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:37 AM

How dare you mock someone's illiteracy, Ron? Especially someone as sensitive as Doug. You are truly the rudistest of all! And say "hi" to Osama, commie.

Anyways, good to see that the "War" continues to be over now that Zarqawi and his possible loin-spawn are dead. Knowing this, I can now sleep...

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 11:18 PM

"sheer viciousnesss of the personal attacks"--well, I'd say that accusing somebody of support for brutal terrorists, enemies of the US,--something along the lines of "I know that Zarqawi was your hero", to pick a purely theoretical example-- qualifies as a personal attack--perhaps even of greater magnitude than an accusation of not using logic or not reading carefully.

But somehow I think all the participants in this discussion can survive the unpredecented horrendous attacks on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:40 PM

A rudist is kinda like a nudist...with attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 01:19 PM

Guest......You aint seen NUTHIN' yet...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 01:00 PM

Wow, so someone besides DougR mis-spells "rudest" as "rudist?" Must be contagious...

And I'm far ruder than Greg. Way the fuck.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 10:55 AM

Greg F - definitely the rudist -
LR would be second
Ron a close third -

I'm new here but the sheer viciousness of the personal attacks from the above are surprising!

Is this normal for here?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 10:41 PM

Now wait just a durn minute! Are you tryin' to say that matters involving woodchucks aren't important ??

marmota monax would beg to differ!

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 08:33 PM

So, Larry K--you have no idea of the difference between the effect on Moslem terrorism of an attack on a Moslem country-- and the burning question of how much wood could a woodchuck....?

Based on the quality of your thought as revealed on Mudcat so far, I have to say I'm not really surprised.

That explains a lot of Bushite behavior. It's certainly true that Mr. Bush is far more capable of grappling with the second issue than the first.


If Mr. Bush and his supporters--like your good self?--had only been restricted to weighty issues involving woodchucks, the world would have been far better off.

Thanks so much for the insight.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 06:33 PM

Talk about the definition of nugatory....

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 04:53 PM

A few more questions:

The more leaders of Al Queda we kill- the better or worse for Ossama?

The more middle eastern countries that become democratic the better or worse for Ossama?

The more times Michael Moore, Gavin Newsome, John Kerry, Jerry springer, Randy Rhoads, Howard Dean, Dixie Chicks, Barbra Streisand, Sadaam Hussain speak- the better or worse for Republicans?

The more stories the Al Queda Tip Sheet (NY Times) prints- the better or worse for the rest of us?

The more weight Al Gore gains-the better or worse for global warming?

The more Ossamaites who put their hatred of Bush over the country- the more or less books Ann Coulter sells?

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood-does that give us more or less renewable energy?

The answer my friends is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 10:07 PM

Well Doug, anytime you and Hubby feel the need for confession, you can always tell us if you are still beating your wives. But to be honest, I don't really think we have much interest in your domestic problems.

However, to return to the thread topic, if you Bushites would for once put your brains in gear, you would realize that nobody is trying to please Osama. But if you advocate attacking Moslem countries, you are pleasing him--and helping create more terrorism all over the globe. In fact, that is exactly what I, as a registered Republican, told the White House call-in line, just prior to Bush's unbelievably idiotic and falsely justified attack on Iraq.

Not having learned anything--you Bushites seem to not be the quickest studies-- you seem bound and determined to repeat your criminally stupid blunder by attacking Iran.

Just brilliant.

Sorry if I'm being too subtle for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 09:18 PM

Hubby - I did not say that bin laden and the people of the Middle East think the same way.

I stick by my statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: DougR
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 08:14 PM

Ron Davies: do you still beat your wife? Your companion? Your children?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 06:30 PM

well there you go, Ron- I think we've both proved our points conclusively- not that they were ever in doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 05:34 PM

Zawahiri Vows to Take Revenge for Zarqawi

Published: Sunday, June 25, 2006
zaman.com


Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant, vowed revenge for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed as the as Iraqi leader of al-Qaeda.

Referring to Zarqawi as the 'Lord of Martyrs,' Zawahiri threatened George Bush, President of the United States, with revenge for the murder of Zarqawi, until the last al-Qaeda member left alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 12:26 PM

Believe me dianavan,


The majority of the people in the middle east DO NOT think like bin Laden thinks.

That's where you're making your mistake.


Ron,

You have my answer. So force yourself to whatever conclusion you have to. It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM

"Why do you care so much about what he thinks?" from Hubby.

If Bush had paid a little more attention to the way bin laden thinks, we wouldn't be in this mess. In fact, if the military strategists had paid any attention to the way people in the Middle East, think, he would never have invaded Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 12:47 PM

I'm going to see if he can defend his position--without smearing those who disagree as traitors.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM

Ron-

You're playing into this asshole's hands by answering him.

Same thing as "debating" a Holocaust denier- you're only legitimizing his vomit.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 09:53 AM

Hubby--just answer the question. Or I will be forced to the conclusion that you are not smart enough to do so. One word answer will suffice:   yes or no.

And without your, also patented, Bushite smearing of people who don't agree with you as unpatriotic.

Thank you so much.

It's such a pleasure debating with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 09:06 PM

"The more Moslem countries we attack, the better for Osama."

"True or false?"


Ron,

You are so one-sided that it's really starting to concern me.


Let's address your premise first.

Let's break this question down.

We don't and didn't attack countries because they were "Moslem". It just so happens, that's where the terrorists are.

Why do you climb mountains? Because they're there.

Were you ever "it" in hide-n-seek? It's sort of the same situation here. You don't wait around and wait for the people that's hiding to come and find you.


Next is, who the hell cares what Osama thinks?

I know I don't. Should we not be over there fighting just because Osama wants us to leave? Is that really what you believe? Hell, Hitler wanted us to leave. Mussolini wanted us to leave. Emporer Hirohito wanted us to leave. Should we have left those countries too just because they wanted us to leave or do you think that the world would be better off if they had stayed in power?

Remember, this is the man who masterminded the killing of over 3000 people and the destruction of numerous buildings and aircraft all in one day. I don't think that the vast majority of the people that were directly affected by those 3000+ (some of which were muslim) losses really gives a rat's ass about what Osama thinks.

Why do you care so much about what he thinks?

Just who's side are you on?


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 06:08 PM

Hubby, Clinton is the only president that tried to take out bin Laden. Bush didn't and ignored him. Clinton is the only president that recognized bin Laden as a threat. bin Laden as a threat was discovered during the Clinton Administration. I doubt very much whether Bill Clinton would have let 911 happen. As it was, he uncovered and thwarted quite a few plots such as the attempt to blow up International Airport in Los Angeles.

The facts are not game-playing.

Ron, Osama (if he is still alive, which might be doubtful since he requires dialysis) is rejoicing at the ineptness of this Administration. He doesn't have to do another 911. Bush's incompetence is making his job easier.

Osama (if he is alive) is a dangerous man because he knows the Bush vulnerabilities and is taking advantage of them daily.

Unfortunately, brutal fanaticism does not necessarilly equate with stupidity. But it's necessary for someone in our government to really know how it works. Bush doesn't have a clue.

All ya' gotta' do is listen to the words of bin Laden. His thing is that he doesn't want foreign troops dictating religious views on Muslims. It's that simple. He doesn't have the capacity to dominate the world economically or militarilly. He's winning recruits by default.


Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 02:47 PM

OK Hubby, simple question. No need to provide a tome of copy-pastes or your patented dodging technique. Perhaps you can muster the brain power to actually answer it.

The more Moslem countries we attack, the better for Osama.

True or false?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 12:39 PM

"Truth is that they tried to take Zarqawi out years ago but Bush stonewalled it."


Man, I'm still feeling the wind off of that spin. Whew! If you want to play that game then, here goes....


I guess none of this would be happening then, if Clinton would have taken bin Laden from the Sudan when he was offered as well.

We can play games like that all day long. The fact still remains that we are cleaning up what has been refused to be taken care of by administrations from both sides of the aisle in the past.

Ron, quit making excuses. You're making yourself look more inept as the days go by.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 05:30 PM

Truth is that they tried to take Zarqawi out years ago but Bush stonewalled it. He needed an enemy to promote his Iraqi occupation. He hasn't found bin Laden and is unlikely to because one: bin Laden may already be dead and two: Bush has stated that he doesn't know where bin Laden is and doesn't care or think about him.

The Zarqawi event is a red-herring.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: DougR
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:03 PM

Gee, I don't know. Maybe Greg F. IS the rudist. I just can't decide.
Such an awesome responsibility.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

Anything is "debatable," breadedbruce. The fact that something is "debatable" doesn't make all opinions on the matter equally valid. In this case, Ron has facts, logic, and the majority of experts of the subject on his side. Perhaps if he buried you in a barrage of lengthy copy-and-pastes, you'd understand this.

Anyways: Of course al-Qaeda wants the US in Iraq. And of course they're going to announce that it's their goal is to drive the US out of Iraq. American soldiers in an Arab/Muslim country is great PR for al-Qaeda, proving everything they've claimed for years about us. And a goal like "driving out the Crusaders" is a wonderfully effective recruitment tool. Same sort of deal the US military did after 9/11. This is all common knowledge. Yanno, what everyone knows.

Go ahead. Say something like "Al-Qaeda is a liberal invention meant to advance the gay/global warming agenda in Catholic schools!" Or "I say the Earth is a mystical cube of angel-dander, and 'evolution' is a homosexual-Muslim plot!" Or, more likely, a bunch of copy-and-pasted articles saying so. You're wrong about most everything, and you're not convincing anyone. No-one here is that fucking stupid.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 06:49 AM

Ron,

"A pullout from Iraq would not in fact be "al-Queda's wishes". Al-Queda (Osama) hopes we stay there --and suffer the death of 1,000 cuts--with our soldiers being picked off by twos and threes---- forever."

This is a debatable point. The stated intent of al-Queda is to drive the US out of Iraq.


"as distinguished from your usual--classic Bushite approach--of smearing anybody who doesn't agree with you as terrorist sympathizers."

"(as usual) dead wrong"... "of the last (literate?) people"...


Hardly conducive to a reasonable discussion. Would you care to show me ONE case where I have stated that those who disagree with me are terrorist sympathizers?

If you do not like the logic I presented, perhaps you should consider NOT using it upon those YOU disagree with.



BTW, why is it that even a small chance of danger from global warming justifies a complete change in our society, with the attendent upheaval and economic destruction, while a perceived threat of nuclear war requires overwhelming proof before ANY action can be done?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 01:12 AM

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/1-0&fp=449ad5fbca80fe9c&ei=OCSaROD8L4uOwQHqoLmBBg&url=http%3A//www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx%3FID%3DBD4A205662&cid=0

In a tape aired on Arab television in April, Osama Bin Laden denounced the United States and Europe for cutting off funds to the Hamas-led Palestinian government, accusing them of leading a "Zionist" war on Islam, and urged followers to fight any U.N. peacekeeping force in Sudan.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:54 AM

There was an ancient time when people thought that what they saw was just something that evil spirts made them see. The reality was not what they saw but something completely different.

Some of the people here, infatuated with their superior intelligence, are still effected by the mentality of that age.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:43 PM

The only problem is BB is (as usual) dead wrong. A pullout from Iraq would not in fact be "al-Queda's wishes". Al-Queda (Osama) hopes we stay there --and suffer the death of 1,000 cuts--with our soldiers being picked off by twos and threes---- forever.

And not only that, even the Bush "team" realizes this. BB and Hubby must be 2 of the last (literate?) people left who don't realize this.

The Bush regime --desperately-- also wants a pullout from Iraq---but wants to declare victory (again) before doing so. They realize the bloom has been off the rose a good long time now---Bush's allegedly virtually bloodless victory (US blood, anyway)--soured right quick--and the steady trickle of US and UK coffins from Iraq continues. Pointing this out is not, as you oh-so-reasonable Bushites like to picture it, sympathizing with Osama. It's just stating facts. So sorry if they're not to your liking.

At this point "victory" for the Bush regime can only be an Iraqi government strong enough to not need US military assistance. First question is how long it will take to get to that stage--if Iraq ever reaches it. Second question is how many dead Coalition (read US and UK) troops it will take to get there.

It is also true that it would be Osama's fondest hope that the US would start a war with Iran, as Carol and I--and others--have said over and over.

And it's obvious why Osama wants us both in Iran and Iraq. Anybody who likes to stir up trouble--and that's his MO for sure--any argument there?--needs a bogeyman, as Bobert has pointed out. And the US, as embodiment of the rich, decadent West, is the perfect villain. So the more Moslems the US attacks, the better for Osama.

If you don't believe this, please tell us exactly why--as distinguished from your usual--classic Bushite approach--of smearing anybody who doesn't agree with you as terrorist sympathizers. How about some logic--for once?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 01:45 PM

That's classic, BB!


It's all about consistency. Not just latching onto every negative piece of info (whether true or not) to advance an agenda.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:48 AM

from another thread...


"If there is a 1% chance that my theoretical grandchildren, due to our actions, might not get to live on a planet that is fit for purpose, thats a chance I am unwilling to take. "

Of course, if that was about Iran using nuclear weapons, it is required to be 100% before any action can be considered.

Like Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:24 AM

All this quibble about Iran and nukes paralells the same bullshite we went thru with Iraq.

Everybody says Iran has them or will soon have them but they are too chicken shit to do anything about it. Then when someone has the balls to do something about it, they are called a liar if the nukes are not there.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:23 AM

Ron,

To borrow your own logic,


1)   al-Queda wants the US to abandon Iraq
2)   Many liberals here are demanding a pull-out from Iraq.
therefore
3)   Manay liberals here, by demanding a pullout form Iraq, would be
carrying out al-Queda's wishes. It makes no difference that they would not be "taking dictation" from al-Queda. They would be giving al-Queda exactly what it wants--a pullout from Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:12 AM

Ron-

You're playing into this asshole's hands by answering him.

Same thing as "debating" a Holocaust denier- you're only legitimizing his vomit.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 06:38 PM

Hubby--


"old and tired"--you misspelled "true"--now why would that be?

Also I invite you to produce any evidence--as distinguished from your usual spewings-- that Zarqawi was a hero to anybody on Mudcat.

Now see if you can follow this--it may be too complex for your giant brain to grasp.

1)   al-Queda wants the US to attack Iran.
2)   Bush-- (supported by you, as I recall)-- is showing signs he plans to do so.
therefore
3)   Bush, by carrying out an attack on Iran, would be carrying out al-Queda's wishes. It makes no difference that he would not be "taking dictation" from al-Queda. He would be giving al-Queda exactly what it wants--a war between the US and Iran.   

Is that simple enough for you to master?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:06 PM

Now come on guys...I want to know how you really feel instead of personally attacking me and pointing out how I never post in the music threads.


Quite frankly, that's getting a little old and tired.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 03:02 PM

"Al Queda victory plan included, from your own just-posted article, Woody--instigating war between the US and Iran. Now who do you suppose is playing into al-Queda's hands on just this point? As Carol has pointed out elsewhere--try Mr. Bush."


This has got to be one of the most idiotic statements made on this thread yet.

Are you saying, Ron, since one of al-qaida's stated goals is to provoke a war between US and Iran, then the current tensions that are there are a direct result of Zarqawi and his murderous gang?

It seems to me that the bearded ding-a-ling that's in charge over there now in Iran has had a lot to do with it. His saber rattling and statements that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth has done more than I think Zarqawi could ever be capable of doing. Afterall, we're talking about a man who couldn't even figure out how to shoot a gun without being shown how.

Now Ron and Greg....I know that Zarqawi was your hero. He was your current excuse to support your "we're losing agenda". But don't worry. There will be someone else to take his place. He may be just as good as Zarqawi but only time will tell. The only thing is...we will find him and kill him too.

Afterall, that is what this war is designed for now. To hunt down terrorists and kill them. We've gotten rid of Saddam and a new government is now in place. Now we can get back to killing terrorists like what is being done in Afghanistan and places elsewhere.

Even Zarqawi's own documents and others found before state that they want to take advantage of what's going on in the US now. What's that, you ask? It's the constant complaining and whining that is being done by people on the left comparing this action to Vietnam or the constant moaning and bitching about "Let's bring the troops home". The more bitching and whining that is done by you and your crew does nothing but build up their confidence and compassion to continue their killing. It's really a sad thing when your message and the terrorists message are the same one.

Here's a novel idea. Why don't you try supporting OUR troops and supporting OUR cause in this mission. Stop agreeing with the terrorists and keep insisting that we cut and run before the job is done. That's what we did in Mogadishu and look what's going on there today. Where's the peace? Do you really want to go to bed at night knowing that if we do the same in Iraq then the same might happen there? Or do you not care? Has your hatred for this administration clouded your vision when it comes to people in other countries?

If the terrorists want to go to Iraq, then we'll stay there and kill them. If they want to go back to Afghanistan, then we'll kill them there. Wherever they go, they will be hunted down and killed if they choose to stay the current course of action that they are on and keep killing Americans.

They are, afterall, of the same group that hi-jacked four commercial airliners and took down two of our high profile buildings and one government structure and killed 3000+ people in two of our large cities on a sunny September morning. Do you remember that? It seems as if you conveniently forgot where this all started.

Up until that point, every time Al-qaida attacked us somewhere, what was the line?

"We will find the ones responsible for the this atrocious act and we will bring them to justice."

Everytime this phrase was said, people cheered and took to heart that something would be done. Up until then, nothing ever was....oh yeah wait, something was done...Clinton bombed an aspirin factory. That made a difference.

Now we are doing something. We are hunting down the freaks that subscribe to this philosophy and finally bringing them to justice.

Are you upset because we're not slapping them on the hand and asking them to not ever do nasty things like that again and instead landing 500 pound bombs on their dining room tables? Would you rather us just stand by and take it on the chin after every attack and continue to provide lip service to the American people as to why we're not going after the bad guys?

Come on Ron and Greg. I really hope that you two are bigger men than that. I really hope that you appreciate the country that you are living in and want to see it last and lead the world whether they like us or not.


If not, it seems as if the terrorists over in Iraq need instructions on how to shoot a gun. Maybe you should go show them. You're arguing for the same things, anyhow.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 10:10 AM

I have been mulling in my mind who is the rudist poster on the Mudcat...

Suggest you glance in the mirror, Douggie-Boy.

But as long as we're taking nominations, how about a "Most Ignorant, Inane and Self-Satisfied" category for which Douggie, Old Fart & Wordy are pretty much running neck and neck lately. Winner to get the Mudcat Hubris Award.