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Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'

Mo the caller 14 Jun 06 - 01:56 PM
Malcolm Douglas 14 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM
JohnB 15 Jun 06 - 12:34 AM
Mo the caller 15 Jun 06 - 02:57 AM
Malcolm Douglas 15 Jun 06 - 01:47 PM
Fidjit 16 Jun 06 - 06:26 AM
Jim Dixon 20 Jun 06 - 08:16 AM
GUEST,Desdemona 20 Jun 06 - 12:48 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: Mo the caller
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:56 PM

There is one in the DT "The Prodigal's resolution", but the one I'm looking for has lines
?????
Hey jolly ???man
?????
And therefore make me rue man.

Can anyone fill in the gaps, or have I imagined it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM

That would be Richard Climsell's 'The Jovial Broom-man' (Roxburghe Ballads, I, 498-503), "To the tune of Slow Men of London" (in this case an alternative name for Jamaica).

There is a shortened text with modernised spelling at  http://www.englishcivilwar.com/songs/jollybrewman.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: JohnB
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:34 AM

It's on a CD by the "Baltimore Consort" not sure which one though.
I'm really glad that some people know the difference between the song name and the tune name, it really pee's me off when a friend says the tune is Jolly Broom-man.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: Mo the caller
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 02:57 AM

Thanks for the quick reply.
I came to this one via the dance and Playford's tune.
We played the tune in a pub and had a discussion afterwards as to whether the B part should be repeated. I knew that, for the dance it is 16bars 10 times, but it was claimed that the song needed 2Bs. And I could only remember a fragment. Looks like the song is AB too.

A lot of dancers call tunes by the wrong name too. Cecil Sharp is responsible for a lot of it because he published his choice of Playford dances to the Playford tunes that took his fancy. So people might call the tune by the name of the dance he put to it.
It has been happening the other way round for centuries. When there is a good song people write dances to it so there are several different dances with the same name.

Which reminds me. Was there ever a song "Bonny Breast Knots"? There are several dances of that name, the 2 in the Community Dance Manuals have different tunes.

As a caller most barn dance tunes have the same name "32 bar jigs or reels, please" - but I'm learning.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:47 PM

See   http://www.folk-network.com/products/notes/breastknots.html  for the Scots Musical Museum text of 'The Bonny Breast-Knots'.

There are broadside editions at  Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads:

The bonnie breast-knots


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: Fidjit
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 06:26 AM

'City Waites' did "Hey Jolly Broom Man" to the tune Jamaica.

Chas


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE JOVIAL BROOM MAN
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 08:16 AM

Copied from The Sealed Knot Society | The English Civil War | Sir John Owen's Regiment of Foote web site:

THE JOVIAL BROOM MAN

Room for a man that's come from seas,
     Hey jolly broom man.
That gladly now would take his ease.
     And therefore make thee room man.
To France the Netherlands and Spain,
     Hey jolly broom man.
I crossed the seas and back again.
     And therefore make thee room man.

Yet in these countries, there lived I,
     Hey jolly broom man.
And valiant soldiers I've seen die.
     And therefore make thee room man.
Ten thousand gallants there I killed.
     Hey jolly broom man.
Besides a sea of blood I spilt
     And therefore make thee room man.

In Germany I took a town.
     Hey jolly broom man.
Through the walls there up side down.
     And therefore make thee room man.
In Tilbury camp with Captain Drake.
     Hey jolly broom man.
I caused the Spanish fleet to quake.
     And therefore make thee room man.

In Holland Leaguer there I fought.
     Hey jolly broom man.
But there the service proved too hot.
     And therefore make thee room man.
So from the siege returned I.
     Hey jolly broom man.
Naked, hungry, cold and dry.
     And therefore make thee room man.

So now I have compassed the globe.
     Hey jolly broom man.
And I returned as poor as Job.
     And therefore make thee room man.
So now I'm safe returned here
     Hey jolly broom man.
Just bring me a cup of English beer.
     And therefore make thee room man.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song to the tune 'Jamaica'
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 20 Jun 06 - 12:48 PM

There's also a fine recorded version by the Dufay Collective (who are just excellent) on their CD "Johnny, Cock Thy Beaver".

http://www.dufay.com/about

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000000AYV/102-2048035-5761724
v=glance&n=5174

)Mea culpa for the lack of blue clickies)

~D


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