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My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on eBay

Peter K (Fionn) 16 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM
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Subject: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM

Click HERE and you will see my practice set! As discussed in a Mudcat thread last year, it was stolen from my car in Dublin in February 2005. I had given up hope of seeing it again.

As soon as the item was listed, people from various parts of the world alerted me, triggering a saga from which eBay emerges with little credit....

Two of the people who contacted me also contacted eBay. This must have required some persistance, as eBay does not make itself easily accessible to anyone wanting to raise such matters. Once I had been alerted to the sale, I notified the gardai (Irish police), eBay and the seller.

Afer I contacted the seller - a Scottish smallpipes player in Ireland called Brian Doyle (eBay ID bingbing100) - he added to the listing, to say I had told him the item was stolen, but had offered no reimbursement and no proof of purchase. (The last bit was slightly misleading, because Brian Howard in Sheffield UK, who had made my chanter, had contacted Mr Doyle confirming the item was mine and supplying a copy invoice.)

Certain pipers contacted Mr Doyle for more info and were told that though the instrument might be stolen property, he had acquired it in good faith, and anyone could bid with confidence. For the record, I DO think he bought the kit in good faith, but he obviously did not understand the law - and ignored Brian Howard's advise that he should check it.

There was only one bidder - someone using an ID created shortly after I had told Mr Doyle the property was stolen from me. The thought did cross my mind that this bid might have been intended to put pressure on me to offer a "reward". (I contacted the bidder but got no reply - just a note from the seller, complaining about what I'd told the bidder.)

The police tried to contact eBay, which claims it does all in its power to prevent any trade in stolen goods. Eventually they sent a squad car with uniformed officers to eBay offices near Dublin, but their request for the seller's address was still refused and they were told to submit a fax. They did so. But although the fax was plainly from the police, it was rejected because it lacked an official stamp.

All this of course was going on during a live auction. The garda dealing with the matter was Charlene Anderson at Letterkenny, who had dealt with the original theft while still based in Dublin. Faced with eBay's less than co-operative attitude, she reported in at work when she was actually off duty for a few days, to get the matter resolved before the auction closed. As a result of her determination, Mr Doyle was tracked down - though not to the address that eBay had eventually been forced to provide.

Mr Doyle agreed to present himself and the practice set at a Dublin police station, where the practice set was duly seized. (I had been able to provide details that identified it beyond question.) So a satisfactory outcome, but I was amazed at eBay's attitude throughout. When I mentioned to a police sergeant in Dublin that eBay had assured me they tried to prevent any trade in stolen goods, he just laughed.

I don't know how long the link I gave at the top will stay up - eBay know that the item shown there as "sold" has been recovered through police action. (Here's a bit from one of their ludicrous responses to me, by the way: "I appreciate the opportunity to assist you further with your report. Unfortunately I am unable to assist you in this matter.")

If the link stays up, it will be interesting to see what kind of feedback the seller and the would-be buyer leave for each other....


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:02 PM

Forgot to check the preview box! For "advise" please read "advice"...


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:05 PM

In this country, if you are in possession of stolen goods you are liable. No excuses and you stand the loss.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:09 PM

And that is British Common Law, Kendall.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:13 PM

Overall... thank goodness you were able to get your set back, Peter. You must be very happy... but, of course, not with EBastards.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:29 PM

That seller was wanting a reward or other compensation from you to get your property back?

eBay is the classic 800-pound gorilla these days. They do what they want when they want. It takes an awful lot to dislodge them from their position.

SRS


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:35 PM

It's still up and looks as though it is still for sale! I was half-tempted to leave the seller a note to 'fess up, but decided it'd be better not to!

REALLY glad you found them and hope they are back in your hands as of now.

You're right, one has to really dig to figure out how to get hold of a live one at eBay.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 04:37 PM

I applaud your persistence, Peter. Good for you. I'm glad you have your instrument back.

I'm curious to know what details identified the pipes as yours alone.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Kaleea
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:11 PM

Kudos to those who recognised your pipes & alerted you! & the evil seller for all the good that did-surely he will be tainted by this.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Little Robyn
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:21 PM

If he really was a pipe lover and collecter, he would have kept your pipes and loved them. The fact that he was on-selling them proves he was just a money grabbing trader and deserves no sympathy and no reward! Can he prove he wasn't the thief in the first place?
Robyn


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:39 PM

The auction ended "09-Jun-06 22:26:06 BST".

We hardly ever hear that people's stolen instruments are recovered, so this is great news. It would have been simpler if you hadn't had to get the police to force him to turn the pipes over. I don't know anyone I belive would continue to try to sell an item they learned was even possibly stolen. May good things happen for Charlene Anderson at Letterkenny.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 05:50 PM

This is good news indeed, albeit not E Bay's part in the story.
Sounds to me like he bought them cheap, hoping to make a killing, and didn't want to part with them without getting some of his money back. Well done the Garda, and boo hiss to E bay.
Giok


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Alba
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 06:06 PM

BIG Thumbs down for EBay Peter.
I am very glad that got your Pipes back even if you had to jump through hoops to do so.
Bet your delighted to have them Home again safe and sound after all this time:)

As for the Seller..well what goes around comes around~~~~

Jude


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 06:27 PM


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 06:29 PM

I'll try that again...

That's amazing they showed up - I remember you telling us about this at last year's Loughstock.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 06:50 PM

Great news Peter ! I have said this before - IF you have a Digital camera . get piccies of ALL your gear - Keep notes of serial numbers etc ! Then , IF they get stolen and appear on E Bay (or in a Music Shop) you at least have the information to prove ownership !
Digital piccies make it SO much easier to get the info out to the internet world !


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 07:31 PM

Hi, leeneia. The first curiousity about this set was that the chanter was made a couple of years ago by Brian Howard; the bag and bellows were made by the late Alphonsus Kennedy in Cork in 1970. That in itself would make the instrument almost unique. Brian Howard was familiar with it in every detail - he first got into pipemaking by copying Finbar Fury's Kennedy set, and remained keenly interested in Kennedy stuff thereafter.

The seller didn't realise, or didn't say, that the chanter was fitted with a popping valve. But Brian Howard realised, and knows the whereabouts of almost every popping valve he's made. And we had discussed what to do about a crack in the inlet valve, a detail mentioned by the seller. (The valve block is actually ivory, not bone as the description says.) Lastly - and, er, this is a detail I'm reluctant to mention - there were tiny indentations on the blowpipe, where I had tried to work it free from its stock, lost my temper and injudiciously applied a mole wrench. (Yes, a mole wrench!)

Little Robyn, you were probably a bit too harsh on the seller. My guess is that Giok has got it right. Certainly eBay could have given Mr Doyle some advice about the law, especially when he added that extra info to his listing.

Greetings Fibs! I've lost Jackie's contact details. Maybe you'd let him know the outcome. He was extremely generous/helpful at the time, and the replacement bag he supplied is giving great service. (I had the devil of a job getting him to charge me a proper price for it!)


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 07:54 PM

Glad you got the pipes back. Your instrument becomes a personal part of you and loss is traumatic.

The British Common Law with regard to stolen goods applies in the U. S. and Most of Canada, but, for example, if someone in P. Quebec bought the instrument in good faith, the original owner must pay compensation in order to get possession again. In parts of Europe (France, Netherlands, etc.), like Quebec operating under the influence of the old Napoleonic legal system and its good faith provisions, compensation must be paid.
I would guess that Ireland follows Common Law like the UK.

Although it would seem that Ebay, upon receipt of evidence, would halt the offering, they are involved in international sales and the legal considerations may be complex and beyond the ken of most of us.

Leadfingers offers good advice, but also beware of the 'good faith' provisions in the statutes of some jurisdictions, and watch over your prized possessions. I would add insurance as a necessity for hard to replace items.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 10:54 PM

First off, congratulations, Peter, from one piper to another. I am so very happy you recovered this set.

It does not surprise me in the least that you were notified. As you and I know, our community for all its popularity is still a pretty small one. It is damn near impossible to sell a good set that has been stolen without someone spotting it.

Let me also offer props to the Dublin Garda for hanging in there and being persistent. Ebay should be condemned for their actions.

Let's have some sound clips of the joyous reunion, lad.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 10:58 PM

Heartfelt congratulations for getting these back, and for standing your ground and for getting just the right help.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 11:06 PM

Hmmm. What do you do about other strange folks playing your instrument? (There seems to be no way to ask this question without it becoming an double entendre, but you know what I mean! Can you wash it out?)

SRS


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: CeltArctic
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 02:21 AM

Peter, I think those pipes of yours will be wanting to compose a tune incelebration of being reunited with their owner. Something with a title along the lines of "Escaping from Ebay" jig perhaps?

Moira


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 03:50 AM

What about a reel...like "Is Ebay for reel"? Heartwarming stuff but hard to go through. Glad you got them back. My favourite instrument so not nice to hear of abuse to them or their owners/players.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 03:51 AM

The English civil law of "nemo dat" (I am not talking about the criminal issues of theft and possession of stolen property) was reformed some years ago to prevent a purchaser in market overt from acquiring good title to stolen goods (and other goods where the seller's title was void rather than voidable). The civil issues raised by fraudulent purchase (sometimes analysed as unilateral mistake of identity, as distinct from mistake as to attribute) might have been tidied up by the House of Lords in 2004 in Shogun -v- Norman Hudson but the opportunity was badly missed and the law remains the muddle it was.

Here it is simple. As a matter of English law (and I imagine Irish) the property remained despite the theft in the rightful owner, and thus the seller on ebay could neither have nor confer ownership. Thus if the sale had not been prevented by thepolice seizure, both the seller and the buyer would have been civilly liable n conversion.

It is interesting to speculate whether Ebay might have civil or criminal liability.   Certainly they morally ought to, but whether it could be based on conspiracy is more interesting. I will suggest it to another lecturer as an exam question next year! I suspect Ebay do have a legal obligation to reveal names and addresses, based on a case called "Norwich Pharmacal", but those seeking the information might have to pay Ebay's costs.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 04:15 AM

Yes Richard that's how I understood it, having had a friend who unknowingly bought a stolen car which the police later seized. It was established beyond doubt that he bought it in good faith, however he still lost the car, and there was no mention of his recovering what he's paid for it.
Another case of caveat emptor I think!
Giok


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:02 AM

I play music with Brian and when I see him I'll tell him about this thread. I'm really pleased you got the set back and a big round of applause for the Guarda


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:02 AM

Peter,Unbelieveable, when you told me the pipes were stolen in Dublin, I thought that was it, and to get them back, great news.
Getting one over on the robots on e-bay was almost as good.
Happy piping.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:59 AM

Congratulations on recovering the instrument. But it sounds like a good stiff letter to the CEO of E-Bay is called for----with a pointed request to know exactly why they behaved the the way they did. Just because they're the biggest does not mean they should be allowed to treating you that way.

And if you are not satisfied with E-Bay's answer, perhaps a letter to the editor in a prominent newspaper--or a letter to your equivalent of the US Better Business Bureau.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Cats
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:12 AM

Congratulations on getting them back and what a pity you did not get a positive response from e bay like I did when I was sold a duff breadmaker, which, after I returned it, was never replaced. E bay investigated and returned my money in full within a few days.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Deskjet
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:31 AM

Fair play to Garda Charlene Anderson!


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:00 AM

I've said it before and I say it again. Screw e bay.

Everything I own has a recorded serial number. If stolen and you can't identify it, you are screwed. If it doesn't have a serial number, give it one.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:05 AM

A good stiff letter to ebay? I've tried finding an address or phone number for eBay, and I couldn't do it.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:12 AM

All you need to do to get their attention is to break one of their rules as a seller or buyer--but they'll usually give you a stiff slap down and one of their clones will send you a long post telling you why you can't do THAT again. Not an entirely satisfactory group to work with, but they're the biggest at what they do and when it works it works pretty well. They've got most of us where they want us.

SRS


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:24 AM

BTW, Maggie/SRS, there is no need to clean out uilleann pipes. They are bellows blown, as opposed to mouth blown.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: MudGuard
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM

Hey, great for you, Peter!

And yes, ebay sucks - without ever having had an ebay account I was sued for not paying what I had (as the seller thought) bought.
Someone had faked an ebay account with my name/address ...
Getting ebay into action to terminate that account took several months - one of the problems involved was finding a contact address (on the web page, when I followed the "contact ebay" links, I was asked to log into my account which I didn't have) ...


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:48 AM

About ten years ago I sat on a grand jury in Bergen County, New Jersey, that indicted a man for possession of stolen property. He had bought a piece of machinery that turned out to be stolen. Even though he most probably bought it innocently in good faith, when he learned that it might be stolen he tried to sell it to someone else. That was enough for the grand jury to find probable and sufficient cause.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:53 AM

There may be differences between English and US law on this (we don't have grand juries for a start) but I am clear that we would say that deliberately closing one's eyes to the possibility that goods were stolen would be sufficient mens rea.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:38 PM

In case you do feel a letter to eBay would be worth your time--(I would say so)--(then if they do not respond or give an unsatisfactory answer, next step is the newspaper or UK
equivalent to the US Better Business Bureau.)--here's the e-Bay address:

eBay Inc.
2145 Hamilton Ave.
San Jose California 95125
ATTN: Meg Whitman, CEO

In my opinion, they should have to explain their attitude here--they'll need to have some fancy footwork to avoid responsibility.

It obviously depends on how much time and effort you want to put into getting a satisfactory answer.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:42 PM

All legal references above refer to UK law.

Canada- Common law applies in all provinces EXCEPT Quebec. In Quebec, cases are decided according to the Quebec Civil Code and Canon law. One who purchases stolen goods, the seller acting in good faith, has title to the goods. To get them back, the original owner must pay compensation.
The same is true in European countries operating under Napoleonic Civil Codes.

Since the stolen property did not leave the area covered by civil law, the purchaser cannot obtain good title (see Bridges post, above). The property remains in the rightful owner.

My previous post was intended to show that there are complications for a company like Ebay which operates internationally and must consider differing codes on theft and restitution. There is no reason for knee-jerk condemnation of a company because they do not see the situation in the simplest light, although it does seem that once the Garda acted, they should bow out. It takes time to get legal opinions in a case like this.

Currently there are some interesting cases in which the leading art auction houses are involved.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: sapper82
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:12 PM

Made this thread on E-bay's discussion boards; Ebay posting
Wonder how long it, and possibly my E-bay account will last?


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: sapper82
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:13 PM

Forgot to add, well done on getting your pipes back.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:22 PM

Well done, sapper82.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: hesperis
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:27 PM

Wow, that's fantastic that you got them back!


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:45 PM

There is a God. Now if he/she will kick the thiefs ass...


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 03:53 PM

Good one, sapper82. I've just added to that discussion, thereby putting both our accounts at risk! And thanks for the addy, Ron. I may at least ask why the listing is still up. It suggests that the sale was successfully concluded, and this rather implies that there was nothing in the allegation (metioned in the listing) that the instrument was the one stolen in Dublin last year.


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 09:39 AM

Forget contacting e.bay - contact Watchdog - they love e.bay stories and you might even get on the tv yourself!! e.bay's not doing very well are they - people not paying for goods, people selling goods they have been told are stolen, he should have at least withdrawn the item to investigae whether it really was stolen or not. I wouold definately get on to Watchdog tho - they will investigate what happened for you. e.mail your story to - watchdog@bbc.co.uk - Snail mail to - BBC Watchdog, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TS.

Congrats on being re-united with your pipes.

George


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Subject: RE: My stolen uilleann pipes turn up on Ebay
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 11:20 AM

We went to Ireland in 1990. While visiting in Dublin I did something STUPID, a thing I had been warned against, with the result that my purse was grabbed. The shopkeeper called the Guarda, a very nice young man came and took a report and counselled me on follow-up. He never was rude, didn't point out my stupidity, was as helpful as he could be. The credit card co. required copy of the police report. When I went to the local station to pick it up, their niceness continued. They realized I would have to replace my passport, and showed us a map and told us which bus would take us to the consulate, which was (is?) across the street from the embassy. (I am amazed that American/Irish relations have survived the creation of that embassy. That was possibly the most horrible building I've ever seen--absolutely hideous. In a city full of examples of a thousand years of the best in architectural art that building is a crime against humanity.) My point is that, for our whole month in Ireland, at any time we asked questions, needed advice or help, the police were as kind, friendly, helpful, pleasant as the general populace, and that was quite a lot. I'm not surprised you were treated well by them. I am reminded to thank the parents of Ireland for raising the kind of young folks that are not even spoiled by the "power trip" that often accompanies the wearing of a police uniform.
Ebay may have been a wild, free marketplace to begin with, but it's an institutionalized bureaucracy now, it seems--a situation always fraught with injustice, delays, unwieldy regulations, etc.
A musical instrument is more than the sounds it makes. Its functionality, care taken in its construction, special innovations in a handmade item, contribute to making it beautiful to see as well as hear. The owner/player has a moment of gladness whenever he/she picks it up or puts it away, beyond the pleasure of playing it. I'm glad you got your pipes back.
(btw--on the way to the consulate we passed Stephen's Green--"When I was 17, I was 'prenticed to a grocer--not far from Stephen's Green, where Miss Henry used to go, sir..." Hubby clutched my hand, pointed to the sign, and we looked at each other with big grins--a romantic moment we would have missed had my purse not been stolen!)   Tw


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