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Lonesome EJ 22 Feb 99 - 02:37 AM
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Subject: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 21 Feb 99 - 08:14 PM

Many years ago,there was a very strange offshoot of traditional folk music that included Wild Man Fischer,Country Joe and the Fish, Captain Beefheart among others.A friend of mine was into all this,and played for me one evening one of the wierdest collections of acoustic,electric and Far eastern instruments all accompanied by strange vocal warblings and abstract lyrics to traditional melodies.Also mixed in were strains of actual folk and bluegrass.The band I remember as "The Holy Modal Rounders" and it seems like they actually had a song on the "Easy Rider" soundtrack.I have never been able to locate that album(not the Easy Rider soundtrack,The original HMR album),or find anyone else who remembers them.Anyone have a clue about the musicians,songs,album names involved with this band?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: harpgirl
Date: 21 Feb 99 - 09:04 PM

Ah yes, I was just talking to my bf about The Holy Modal Rounders who put out two albums as I recall. Buckminster Fuller took a turn singing with them I think. I like to sing Across the Alley from the Alamo, Don't You Take Me For No Lowdown Dog, and Pinto Poney. I think those were HMR songs. I'll wager we have some experts here at Mudcat on the HMRs....harpgirl


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: rick fielding
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 12:51 AM

Ahhh the "rounders". Pete Stampfel (who I believe lives in California) and Steve Weber (whereabouts unknown) had a sound that was definitely their own. Songs like "Blues in the Bottle, Mr Spaceman, Hey Hey Baby,...oh what a great first album! Hunt it down and pay whatever the cost!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: rick fielding
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 01:10 AM

Lonesome, you got me thinkin' so I typed in Holy Modal Rounders in my favourite search engine (metacrawler) and got tons of stuff, including a wonderful interview with Pete Stampfel who is very much alive. Try it.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: John Clark
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 01:29 AM

I recall the Holy Modal Rounders. Recorded slightly bent versions of folk tunes in the early '60's. Later recorded even more eccentric records, a sort of folk/psychelelic mix, later on. I think there was some overlapping personnel on both the Rounders recordings and recordings by Ed Sanders' band the Fugs. In 1967 I was living in New York and knew a piano player named Lee Crabtree who invited me along to a recording session with the Rounders one evening. It was a chaotic and idiosyncratic affair all around. If I recall correctly, the drummer was Sam Shepard, the playwright. I remember that one tune called for a chorus of football cheers and everyone who was hanging around the studio was drafted for it...my only vocal appearance on record. I think it was released under the title Indian War Whoop. I've never seen it or heard it since that evening. Anybody got a copy?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 02:22 AM

Pete Stampfel was in the VILLAGE FUGS too I think. Maybe Webber also--along withg Tuli Kupferberg and Allan Ginzberg & others I think. There were 2 LPs of the Fugs on Folkways.

Art


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 02:37 AM

Thanks to Rick for steering me to the Pete Stampfel interview. HMR site includes history of the various mutations of Stampfel,Weber,Shepard et al, as well as discography.If you are familiar with the music,Rick,maybe you can recommend an album that captures the essence of these madmen?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 09:13 AM

I think the world can be divided into two groups, those who love the Holy Modal Rounders and those who don't quite get it. Unfortunately very little of their music is available on CD. "Indian War Whoop" is available as an import. The only other one is the excellent "Have Moicy" album which include the Unholy Modal Rounders (Weber was not there) along with Michael Hurley and Jeffery Fredricks and the Clamtones.

As rick said their first album was the best with just Webber on guitar and Stampfel on fiddle and banjo. I don't think I would have ever discovered or appreciated Charlie Poole without that first Rounders album.

Stampfel is still recording and not too long ago released an album of strangely arranged old pop and country songs called "You Must Remember This." My favorite song was "The Theme From Goldfinger" done with clawhammer banjo, tuba, and steel drum.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 09:56 AM

I'm pretty sure that the Fantasy Double LP "The Best of the Holy Modal Rounders" has been re-issued as a CD. If not, try and get a copy of the vinyl LP. It's worth the search. There is also a Holy Modal Rounder discussion group at http://www.olywa.net/hilliard/hmr/ that includes a lot about their partner on "Have Moicy", Michael Hurley. The HMR really served as an inspiration to me in my younger days. Just like Earl, I discovered Charlie Poole through the HMR. I think they are truly unsung heroes.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: rick fielding
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 11:17 AM

There are some interesting tangents that have sprouted off from the "Rounders" over the years. Ken Weaver, who was their buddy in the "Fugs" later shows up a lot in the work of Robert Crumb. (my favourite cartoonist of all time) He's portrayed as a troublesome nutbar..which kind of seems appropriate. Here in Toronto there lives a man named Fraser Mohawk who was a record producer in the states during the 60s and 70s who was part of the great "Rounders, Fugs" scene.

Upon hearing the "Rounders" first album, I decided to take up the fiddle, reasoning that even if I sounded lousy, I could still be as good as Pete Stampfel. Over the years I've come to realise, that to be as bad as he was on that first album took a lot of skill!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 12:28 PM

It took me a while to figure out that Stampfel's fiddling was actually a very credible imitation of Posey Rorer,Charlie Poole's fiddler.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: rick fielding
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 05:50 PM

Now hold on there Mike....perhaps AFTER the first album. Posey was a pretty darn good fiddler.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
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Date: 22 Feb 99 - 09:03 PM

You're right Rick. Posey was a terrific fiddler, and I think that perhaps I was crediting Peter Stampfel with more than he deserved at the time.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 09:05 PM

Forgot to sign the previous posting. That was me agreeing with you Rick.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 11:21 PM

Rick can answer this, I'm sure: Wasn't it the Rounders that gave us the definitive rendition of "Flop-Eared Mule?" You remember, the one with the classic, if elemental words:

Mule. mule, mule, mule,
Flop-eared, flop-eared, flop-eared mule;
Mule, mule, mule, mule,
Flop-eared, flop-eared mule.


(repeated until you run out of tune)

And when the tune was played again, didn't they sing:

Real world, real world,
Real, real, real world;
Real world, real world,
Real, real world.

Real, real, real, real,
Real, real, real world;
Real, real, real, real,
Real, real world.


(go back to square one)

Someone else can figure out where to put the missing question mark and whether or not to spell the above "reel."

Sandy


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 23 Feb 99 - 08:51 AM

Mike, I have not seen "The Best of the Holy Modal Rounders" on CD but I would love to get it if it exists. I believe it was actually thier first two albums in one package and included their immortal version of "Flop-eared Mule."


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Feb 99 - 11:09 AM

Sandy, Oh boy does that bring back memories (and smiles!) The ultimate "flop eared Mule." Actually the second part sounded to me like "reel (real) whirl" etc. stc. This may have been the first musical satire on trad material. Do you remember how they did "Blues in the Bottle?" ..."Goin' to Silly Putty, goin' to...." (believe the real lyric was "Goin' to Cincinnati")....."I can't abide no woman, who goes round sniffin' glue"! From the interview with Stampfel, I gather that they were sniffin' more than glue!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 23 Feb 99 - 02:31 PM

Not to mention their embellishment of Hesitation Blues with, "Got my psychedelic socks in my psychedelic shoes believe to my soul I got the psychedelic blues, oh tell me how long....."


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Feb 99 - 02:34 PM

Mike, remind me (I lost the album several years ago) was it "D" for Dugie, D for destiny...and then something?? Wow, what great memories!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 23 Feb 99 - 03:36 PM

"Well its D for dreadnought, D for destiny, D for dugie that made a fool of me.....".You're right Rick. These ARE great memories.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 23 Feb 99 - 06:20 PM

Whaddya expect from a furriner like Rick? Cincinatti? Nah. It has to be Chillicothe. But don't trust my rusty memory! Get the records and decide for yourself. By doggies, even an old purist like yours truly enjoyed such outrageous folk fun.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Rockaday Johnathon
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 01:38 AM

The two HMR Prestige (later fantasy double set) have been reissued with 2 previously unreleaased cuts on an import from ACE in England (actually some smaller label owned by ace ) It's Great!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 01:06 PM

Rockaday, Is there an internet source for it? It's probably worth a trip to England but I don't want to wait that long.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 01:08 PM

By the way, does anyone know who did the original version of "Blues in the Bottle"?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 01:22 PM

Found it myself: HMR at Ace Records.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Frank in the swamps
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 04:30 PM

The only thing I like to do, better than my doodlin' is..........

Frank i.t.s.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Sarge in Toronto
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 07:11 PM

I cannot believe folks are talking about these guys. I learned Movin' Day from that album and I still find myself singing Flop-eared Mule.Remember "Better things for you, more than your friends can do. Got the Holy Ghost and the fire and the cross to pull you through" or something like that? That was one of our favourite albums.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Barbara
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 12:27 AM

I always liked "Euphoria" m'self..
"...and we're in here, kickin' the gong for euphoria!
Euphoria, when your mind starts a-wheelin' and a walkin'
Inside voices start a-squealin' and a squawking,
Floatin' around on a belladonna cloud..
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Frank in the Swamps.
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 12:35 AM

My daddy was a devil sittin' down in the valley goin'

boobm boobm boobm de boobm boobm de boobm boom.

Frank i.t.s.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Rockaday Johnny
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 10:58 AM

"Blues in the Bottle" was originally done in the 20's or 30's by Prince Albert Hunt which has been reissued on "times Ain't like they used to Be: Vol 1 (Yazoo 2028) Though I Like Jim Kweskin's Jugband version better!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Camille in Cahoots
Date: 28 Feb 99 - 06:42 PM

Wow! As I was going throught the notes these weird favorite lyrics would pop into my head and then there they were! Be still my heart! As I read on I realize so much of my adult life has been carried on with HMR tunes and songs and clever variations. As a clawhammer banjo player I love to throw them into the mix and watch the faces...recognition/nostalgia/confusion/pure fear!?

So...my parting words...you have to imagine the great nasal-ly voice) My mind grows weary and my body grows weak My lips aren't formin' the words I'm speakin' Floatin' around on a boatful of pain Hear my sad cry never see me again By now Camille


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: finch
Date: 01 Mar 99 - 12:34 PM

I stumbled upon the 'Unholy M.R.' through a Michael Hurley interest. Am hoping that all of Hurley's are released on CD - 'Armchair Boogie' is hard to find. People may want to check out 'Wretched Refuse' as well.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 02:04 AM

I had to refresh this thread. At some point in this thread, Fielding turns me on to the Holy Modal Rounders home page, which (naturally) I go to. I sign up for the Holy Modal Rounders Bulletin board, which is great, only now I am receiving up to 40 posts per day in my email! Unbelievably enough, I am reading all of them! Get this- I'm reading them tonight, and the HMR fans are discussing using rolled up dirty underwear to mute your banjo, when some guy posts "Folk Artist Art Theime uses a rubber chicken to mute his banjo"! Evidently, EVERYBODY is talking about Art Theime. So I invited all these acid-heads to come over to Mudcat. Sorry. I blame Fielding for this...LEJ


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: AlistairUK
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 06:15 AM

Wasn't Mr Spaceman by the Byrds and not The Rounders?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 10:24 AM

Hello Alistair UK; Two different songs with the same title.Lonesome EJ; What's the URL for the Rounders page?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Bob Jovi
Date: 18 Mar 99 - 08:58 AM

Wow, an entire thread on the Rounders, without mentioning "The Unholy Modal Riders, AKA the Clamtones". I think that "Griselda" has to be the most often sung song from these boys, in any incarnation, if not neccesarily their best.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Mar 99 - 11:25 AM

Mike B...guess what, I forgot to bookmark the Rounders Home Page. Rick Fielding may have it, or you could do a search-I can almost guarantee some interesting results...LEJ


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 18 Mar 99 - 10:07 PM

Found the site Lonesome EJ. TERRIFIC stuff!! Plenty of Michael Hurley too. All sorts of folk weirdness.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 19 Mar 99 - 12:26 PM

Bob Jovi, I think if you read it again you will see the Unholy Modal Rounders mentioned several times. Jeffery Fredricks and the Clamtones appear on that record but were also a seperate band. Their "Spiders in the Moonlight" album is a classic in its own right.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: messyjesse
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 08:17 PM

To all those who have responded to this thread, Holy Modal Rounders albums are for sale on the web! Have Moicy (their best and one of the great albums of all time) is at cdnow, amazon, and possibly at rounder records, where I recommend you purchase it. Their first two albums, 1&2, have been combined into one and are also for sale about anywhere, along with a brand new album, Too Much Fun - (an amazon.com best seller) Peter Stampfel and Steve Weber, along with Dave Reisch and Bingo are gonna be playing in Bethlehem PA on the 8th of January and at Tonic in New York City on the 11th. I know all this cause some film making friends and I are beginning a documentary project on the band starting in January.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 09:49 PM

Far freakin out,messy! Thanks for bringing us up to date, and please keep us posted on the progress of the documentary. Should be,ummmm...interesting!

LEJ


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Amos
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 01:49 AM

Hits moovin day. hits moovin day Pick up your carpet offa the floor Pick up your bag an get out the door Hits moovin day, moovin day If you can't pay the rent ya gotta live under a tent Cuz it's moo--uhooo--uhoovin day!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Easy Rider
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 09:40 AM

""Rip the Carpets up offa the floor. Get on your overcoat and out the door. If you can't pay the rent, you gotta live out in a tent. BeCuz it's moo--uhooo--uhoovin day!""

""Boobs a lot. Boobs a lot. They'r big and round. They're all around...""

This brings back a lot of old memories. I knew those guys, back in the very late 60's/early 70's. I was a member of an electric light show group that put on free form dances, with light show, in NYC, mostly at a small hotel on 43rd or 44th St. Well, the Holy Modal Rounders were our House Band. What a lot of fun!

later, Jake and the Family Jewels and Elephant's Memory (before John Lennon) played for us. Does anybody remember them?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Jacob Bloom
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 10:20 AM

Jake and the Family Jewels? Of course! For years I thought Jake had written Tennessee Stud, since his version was the only version I knew. I have two of his albums, including The Big Moose Calls His Baby Sweet Lorraine.

And I feel sure that the Holy Modal Rounders lyrics mentioned above should be "I'm goin' to Chattanooga" and "When your mind starts reelin' and a-rockin."


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Fortunato
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 10:35 AM

The name "The Fugs" came from the Red Fox routine:

Red said, "I got two kinds of soap, Fug and Sug.
Fug is for when you're feelin' kind of dirty
and Sug is for when you're really dirty.
'Said if you can't Fug it, you can Sug it."

Merry Christmas, Fortunato


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Phil Hatton
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 01:34 PM

I've just sorted through my old vinyl & found an album released in 1969 on electra (polydor) called "The Morray Eels Eat The Holy Modal Rounders" was this an English release or is it what people here are just calling the second album? It's all pretty wierd psychedelic stuff including the "easy Rider" track. I loved it at the time but it was definitely minority taste in England then.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 09 Jan 00 - 05:50 PM

I'm refreshing this thread because I spent last night in the middle of a time warp listening to Stampfel and Weber, and two other people who never got introduced, play for about three hours. It was wonderful! Stampfel still can't fiddle but somehow manages to put across the feeling of the music without playing the notes! And I decided I HAD to learn Griselda, bought the CD (I believe Have Moicy) and just spent two hours copying down all the words and then found them in the DT! Now I need to learn Bad Boy, which is NOT in the DT, nor are their words to Baltimore Fire. Oh yes, it wasn't a complete time warp. They did (by request from a packed house) Flop Eared Mule, and in addition to the now canonical words, sang Y2K, Y2K, Y2 Y2 Y2K. . . Aside from that (and their appearances) Iit could have been 1965.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Jacob Bloom
Date: 10 Jan 00 - 09:51 AM

"Flop-Eared Mule" has always absorbed current events. The one time I saw them was around 1972, and they sang "Nixon knows."

"Nose, nose, nose, nose, Nixon's Nixon's Nixon's nose"


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 18 Apr 00 - 05:03 PM

I've never heard the Holy Modal Rounders, but I'm going to be in L.A. next week, and heard about a place called McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica. It's supposed to be a great place for acoustic instruments of all kinds. They also have concerts there, and the Holy Modal Rounders will be performing on Sunday, 4/23/2000.

Check out:

www.mccabesguitar.com


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: rangeroger
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 12:08 AM

On top of everything else, Rounder records was named after HMR.The April issue of Acoustic Guitar Magazine has a short piece on them.
rr


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: fox4zero
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 03:44 AM

Charlie Poole was a major influence on the Holy Modal Rounders. "Movin' Day" was lifted en toto. I get a little confused between the songs of the Unholy Modal Rounders and the Holy M.R. Larry


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 08:47 AM

Hey, Mister Spaceman!! I wanna be a Space man too -- doodlooo!!!

Yer right -- whoever said it -- the world divides into those who get the HMR an' them as don't. This thread has filled my head with sound bytes from college -- "drinkin from a bottle with a 4-X label" and "If you can't pauy the rent you gotta live under a tent...". Zany, whacky and great.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: L R Mole
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 11:35 AM

During the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's first three albums(pre -CircleUnbroken) when they appeared to be a sort of left-coast Kweskinjug (with J. Browne, whose "Buy For Me the Rain" was a sort-of hit for them), they did "Euphoria", with the couplet, "When your mind starts reelin and a-rockin"/Your inside voice starts squeakin' and a-squawkin'" This was, I think, before J. McKuen, the banjo player, and his brother W. got hooked up with Steve (banjo music is happy music) Martin. Intersections:"Auntie Grizelda" by the Monkees or " Mr. Bass Man" ( with Lloyd Thaxton and his rubber caveman mask?)


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: BlueJay
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 10:47 PM

Incredible thread. The only HMR song I have is with Michael Hurly, on a compilation, It's called "Sweet Lucy", and is hilarious. Someone above mentioned "Euphoria". Was this done by the HMR, did they write it? The only version if it I've heard was by the Youngbloods, years and years ago. BlueJay


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mike Billo
Date: 19 Apr 00 - 10:56 PM

Euphoria was written by Robin Remaily, a long time accomplice of both Hurley and the Rounders.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 03:53 PM

Flop-eared mule?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 04:37 PM

Great fun to read this thread! I'm glad it was refreshed. I remember hearing Pete Stampfel playing in the Village before the Holy Modal Rounders. (The second verse of Moving Day isn't on the Charlie Poole recording, so I always figured that Pete or Steve wrote it. Whoever did, it's a classic example of someone adding a verse that is exactly the same in spirit.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Steve Noonan
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 05:36 PM

LR Mole incorrectly credits the song "Buy For Me the Rain" on an early Nitty Gritty Dirt Band album to J. Browne (Jackson Browne).

Sorry, but I co-wrote "Buy For Me the Rain" with Greg Copeland back in 1967. I recorded it on my Elektra LP, "Steve Noonan," in 1968.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Brían
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 06:11 PM

I always enjoyed ther various references to food in their songs. I have a friend who I ask to play THE HOG WILL BE FORSAKEN whenever he visits. They did a rather psychadelic bluegrass tune, POACHING CHICKENS and a pseudo-gospel song called I HEARD THE VOICE OF A PORK CHOP CALLING. I have some vinyl recordings of them, but no working record player right now.

Brían


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Art Thieme
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 11:04 PM

Someone here mentioned the rubber chicken I always had stuffed in my banjo to mute it. I got a ton o' mileage out of that silly thing. Always a good excuse to tell the fowl jokes, don't ya know. Some people wore jackets but I had a capon. In colony times in the U.S. they trained chickens to recognize spies. They'd yell "Chicken, catch a tory." --- and they'd go and do it. (just a few)

Art


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Nathan in Texas
Date: 06 Jul 02 - 11:48 PM

About a year ago, in the local used boock & CD shop, I found a CD by "The Du-Tels" entitled "No Knowledge of Music Requried" featuring Gary Lucal And Peter Stampfel. It's on Shyimmy Disc Records www.shimmydisc.com

The liner notes give a lot of history of the Holy Modal Rounder years and the music is what you might expect from the Rounders 30 years later. Included are traditional numbers such as the fiddle tune "Blackberry Blossom" (with Michelle Shocked's lyrics), Captain Kidd, Shortening Bread, Bluegrass tunes such as "How Mountain Girls can Love", a Johnny Cash song "Ring of Fire" and, most unexpectedly, "Teletubbies Say 'Eh-Oh'" from the PSB series.

My teenage son was bewildered by it all. I explained that that's what happens when you play bluegrass on acid.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: harpgirl
Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:43 PM

reflux


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,ME
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 02:51 PM

This brings back lots of memories of trying to play LP tracks over and over again to work out the lyrics, (and finally giving up in disgust when you figure out they're singing the same words again and again).
BTW has anyone got the words for She's More to be Pitied, from Alleged in Their Own Time . This LP is one of my all time favourites; with a dirty story from Antonia and Stampfel included in the notes (Whatever happened to her?), and the great and much-missed Karen Dalton singing on Voodoo Queen Marie
harpgirl, thanks for refluxing!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 07:33 PM

I think I've got that. I recently was gifted with about a hundred old albums from a friend's sister and I have some more rare gems to add to my collection. I'll look...hg


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Subject: DTADD Version: She's More To Be Pitied
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 08:09 PM

She's More To Be Pitied


She's there at the bar every evening
Face powdered and cheeks painted red
Her beauty has faded too early
Brought on by the fast life she led

She's more to be pitied than scolded
She needs to be loved, not despised
Too much beer and wine, too many good times
The lure of the honky tonk wrecked her young life

She once was the belle of the ballroom
She'd made some man a sweet wife
But too many parties, the wrong kind of pals
Ruined her happy young life

She's more to be pitied than scolded
She needs to be loved not despised
Too much beer and wine, too many good times
The lure of the honky tonk wrecked her young life




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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 12:24 AM

OK HMR fans. I have three Albums. HMR 1 and HMR 2 and Goin' Nowhere Fast. The first two are Electra Folk series and the third is Rounder Records. I met Steve Weber once, briefly, in the Village where he and Peter Stampfel were playing in two different clubs per night (requireing much running back and forth). One was the Black Crow or something like that. I knew Peter for many years in Milwaukee. He is originally from Waukeshaw (sp?). I learned to play the banjo by watching and listening to him when he played at The Unicorn on North Avenue. He had a group which included Rob Hunter and another person I can't recall. Peter Stampfel, Bill Ross, Billy Olsen, and Ken Haferman were (and probably still are) the best banjo (clawhammer) players I have ever had the pleasure to hear. One day Peter came by my apartment (when I lived in Chicago, Art...I use an old sock myself) and in a cryptic manner he handed me some items to keep for him..."I'll get them later" with a hint of there might NOT be a later. If you read these posts, Peter I still have "Exodus, a Record of Human Erosion" which is a collection of photographs of Paul Shuster Taylor and Dorothea Lange. Incredible pictures of the depression in rural America. These photos have inspired my daughter Molly to become a documentary photo journalist. Thank you!

Tom Meisenheimer

Coyote Breath


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,ME, again
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 03:37 AM

harpgirl, thanks for those lyrics - I'll go around singing them for weeks now!!!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 09:08 AM

Some of the lyrics to The Holy Modal Rounders- "Hesitation Blues" were posted on another thread. Does anyone have the complete lyrics?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: harpgirl
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:17 AM

I believe I have that also. I'll look when I get home this afternoon.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Barbara
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:23 AM

And I've got a solo album of Karen Dalton, playing a long necked banjo and singing blues; Electra I think. I didn't realize she
was a part of the HMR. There's a collection on CD these days,
I've been annoying my daughter with it.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,ME
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 12:27 PM

Barbara, Karen wasn't actually ever part of HMR - she just sang with them occasionally. However as Peter Stampfel recalls in his notes to the recent CD of Karen Dalton It's So Hard To Tell Who's Going To Love You The Best she could be quite difficult to work with:-


"Like many instinctual musicians, Karen tended to freeze up in situations involving recording or playing for people in the industry. She did some harmonies with me on a Holy Modal Rouders album in 1972 and everyone had to wait over an hour for her to 'prepare' herself, a complicated procedure which concluded with her ripping the bathroom sink off the wall."


Apparently Karen used to sing, but never recorded, a very powerful version of The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore. It would be great if somebody, somewhere, could just find an old tape of that.

matthew




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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Dry Tickle
Date: 07 May 03 - 12:48 AM

whooo hooo!

I just joined mudcats and what a treat to find this thread on the Holy Modal Rounders. Looks like it's been running on over two years now.

Ma's out there switchin in the kitchen
Pa's in the living room groutchin and bitchin
I'm out here, kickin' the gong for Euphoria!

I once had the Jacknife Song on my answering machine until my roomate's mother complained.

Now I play in a stringband in Guelph Ontario, home of the Breast of Canada Calendar (Do you like boobs a lot?), and we do a hefty amount of Holy Modal Rounders songs.

And then there's 'Kill Kill Kill, Kill for Peace'. Has anyone done an update of that song? Fugs Four, Rounders Score!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:23 AM

Why does reading this good thread instantly take me back to those carefree days when the air in so amny crashpads had that sweet burnt smell in the air----kind of like alfalfa on a mid-'50s afternoon trip down blue Illinois highways through canyons of tall corn? Peter Stampfell up on stage at the Monday night hoot at Mother Blues on Wells St.----Just him and his banjo croaking out a few. Fred H. and Patty's pad upstairs gettin' high with G. Carlin before goin' down to the club to see Gibson fall off the stage after too much whatever stuff he was into then. It's an aura, friends. A whispy feeling, an olfactory tweak and a remembrance of times to be no more. But it was a nice whiff to get again---like day job vu, all over again !!

Thanks,

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mark Ross
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:58 PM

Actually, the Fugs name came from the euphemism Norman Mailer used in THE NAKED AND THE DEAD. (I think it was Dorothy Parker on meeting him said, "Oh, you're the young man who doesn't know how to spell f***.") The title THE MORAY EELS EAT THE HOLY MODAL ROUNDERS was because they wanted to change their name when they became an electric band, and the record company(Elektra?)wanted their fans to make the connection. That was back when they were being managed(if one could use that term in reference to the Rounders)by Terri Thal, Van Ronk's ex.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 May 03 - 05:06 PM

Redd Frx did a comedy routine about FUGG SOAP where the "funny?" line that got the laugh was something like, "When your man come home all dirty and sweaty, give him a bar o' this and tell 'im to go Fugg himself." That was around 1952 on a 78 rpm record that my uncle had in Southern Indiana.   We thought it was very funny when I wasten years old.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Stewie
Date: 07 May 03 - 06:30 PM

Don't forget the classic album 'Spiders in the Moonlight' by Jeffrey Frederick and the Clamtones, a band that included former Rounders. They noted on the sleeve: 'We would like to apologise to our mothers'.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: BUTTERFLY
Date: 11 May 03 - 05:46 AM

The first (double) album of the HMR and "Alleged in Their Own Time" are to my mind the best, and most likely to appeal to folkies. However "Last Round" contains several good tracks, eg "Romping Through the Swamp", "Sweet Willima", "Oriental Lady", "August 1967". The only other one I have is "Indian War Whoop" which I bought in London in 1997 but am not fussed about.

In the 1st album, the references to glue sniffing and strutting their stuff (ie "I can't abide no woman, who goes round sniffing glue" and "The baby chickens don't take nothing, they just strut their stuff", both from the song "Blues in the Bottle") show that these expressions are not particularly modern. Does anyone know who wrote the original song "Blues in the Bottle" (and when) and if these expressions are contained in the original lyrics?

I think the lyrics of "She's More To Be Pitied" from "Alleged in Their Own Time" are a little different from those posted above, ie:


She's there at the bar every day
Her lips and her cheeks painted red
Her beauty has faded too early
Brought on by the fast life she's led

She's more to be pitied than scolded
She wants to be loved, not despised
But too much beer and wine, too many good times
The lure of the honky tonk wrecked her young life

She once was the belle of the ball
She'll make some man a sweet wife
But too many parties, the wrong kind of pals
Has ruined her happy young life

She's more to be pitied than scolded
She wants to be loved not despised
But too much beer and wine, too many good times
The lure of the honky tonk wrecked her young life

I thought also that it might be "Life on the honky tonk" but am not sure. I am surprised some country and western artist has not recorded it as it has a nice tune and appropriate lyrics for this genre.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Box13
Date: 09 May 07 - 12:49 AM

I live near portland oregon.In the 70"s I used to go to a tavern the called "The Euphoria".The Rounders played there a lot.On occasion there would be different members and sometimes the name was changed to "The Clamtones".Just for reference,very rarely, there is a rounders reunion here.:)...There was one on 1-6-07.Sorry you couldnt be here....


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: cshurtz
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:48 AM

Hey, since I see this is a Holy Modal Rollers chat I thought I would ask a question that I have already posted another topic for. They (the Rollers) covered a song called "Better things for you" which also appeared on the Anthology of American Folk Music. Does anyone know the lyrics to that song. Especially the name that goes _____ was humble he prayed to God each day, but that was not sufficient he did not kneel to pray. The blank there at the beginning is where the name goes....anyone know that name


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:51 AM

ME too. I loved those guys.


A


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Chris Amos
Date: 09 May 07 - 02:06 AM

Hi,

A couple of HMR albums are available for download at MP3.com here for those who would like to hear what this is about.

Chris


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 01:13 AM

God bless Youtube! Here's a dose of one of the early configurations of the psychedelifolkies.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mark Ross
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 09:41 AM

Re-viewing this thread it has just occurred to me to tell you that the name THE FUGS came from Norman Mailer, it was the euphemism that he used in his WWII novel THE NAKED AND THE DEAD.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Severn
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

The documentary film that Jesse talked about way upthread finally came out in 2007 and is called "The Holy Modal Rounders.....Bound To Lose" it's 87 minutes of music and interviews. "A dysfunctional family" as someone called them, yes, but interesting. It's put out by an outfit called Badbird who left no e-mail adress or street adress on the film, which I found at a used recording store. It includes the footage of the electric version of the band singing "Right String baby But The Wrong Yo-Yo" on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In, their one Network TV appearence, which I hadn't seen since it was originally aired.

....so I guess you check out the website or still see if messyjesse (Jesse Fisher) who helped make the film, along withSam Wainwright Douglas, Francis Hatch and Paul Lovelace, still posts. He posted upscroll, but way back in '99.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Michael S
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 01:04 PM

Here's a site for Bound to Lose. Or, if you prefer MySpace, go here .

I got a kick out of seeing Peter Stampfel as a bohemian, mad-musician family man--married for decades with teenage daughters (older now, of course). Weber, however is still "off the grid," as they say.

Michael Scully
Austin, TX


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 02:42 PM

Not forgetting Snock, who on the evidence below is still on top of his particular game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmXRP7vJe0


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Ian Burdon (cookieless)
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 06:38 PM

Pete Stampfel also had a short-lived band with Dave Van Ronk - the Hudson Dusters.   As well as their eponymous LP, a live recording of the Dusters performing an odd version of Romping Through The Swamp appeared on the (excellent) cd of "The Mayor of MacDougal Street", released to accompany the book of the same name.

Ian


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mark Ross
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 09:32 AM

Actually, Peter never played with the Hudson Dusters. He was busy turning the Rounders into the Moray Eels. Hence the title of the album THE MORAY EELS EAT THE HOLY MODAL ROUNDERS.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: bobad
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 10:12 AM

According to Wikipedia this was the lineup in the Hudson Dusters:

    * Dave Van Ronk - guitar, vocals
    * Dave Woods - guitar
    * Phil Namenworth (aka Pot) - keyboards
    * Ed Gregory - bass
    * Rick Henderson - drums

They did perform Pete Stampfel's "Romping Through The Swamp" on their eponymous album.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Severn
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 10:50 AM

The Eels spat them back out again like Jonah's whale or the one Pinochio spent a child's Christmas in and we're all the better for it.


Damn! But I'd have loved to have heard the Eel's tackle "That's A Moray". They seemed to have more social Morays than morals back then, but then, didn't we all?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Bee
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 11:02 AM

How have I missed this thread? At one time in the long-ago, my then sweetie and me owned as many of HMR's albums as we could find. On our parting, I managed to retain Have Moicy and TMEETHMR, both of which reside still in my vinyl crypt, awaiting my purchase of a turntable.

I sing She's More to be Pitied and Voodoo Queen Marie based on their versions, and plan on learning a few others once the resurrection takes place.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Erin Elder
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 06:14 PM

Does anyone know where I can listen to "Voodoo Queen Marie" online for free? I have looked everywhere!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 11:18 PM

Voodoo Queen Marie - The Du-Tels

Not the original recording, but the same song. Peter Stampfel is one of the Du-Tels.

RW


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Erin Elder
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:17 PM

Wow thank you so much!! I wasn't even sure if anyone would write me back it looks like people don't post to this thread very often. Now to figure out the chords..


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,DeHypnotist
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:32 PM

A bit of Rounderian background. In the olden days, there was Peter Stampfel and Steve Weber and they did wonderful, impossible, madcap things with old timey music. At one point they joined up with the Fugs, but then went their own ways. Eventually Stampfel and Weber went their own ways. The band expanded, bringing on board the likes of Sam Shepherd on drums. Robin Remaily (author of "Euphoria") got involved. They briefly moved to the Boston area and picked up Roger North (from Quill) and Teddy Deane (from Martin Mull's Magic Midget Band). Peter went back to NYC and started up groups like the Moray Eels and Unholy Modal Rounders. Weber and the rest of the band moved to Portland, OR and teamed up with Michael Hurley's pal, Jeffrey Frederick. When Weber fronted, they were the Holy Modal Rounders. When Jeff fronted (usually with his lady friend Jill Gross) they were the Clamtones. Things happened along the way, like the wonderous record "Have Moicy." A few HMR records. Jeff's "Spiders in the Moonlight." Weber and Stampfel are like some kind of strange physics model of a binary star system ever attracting and repulsing one another. Right now, they no longer even talk. He died 12 years ago. Jeffrey's widow, Kathryn Frederick started Frederick Productions and has been putting out CDs of Jeffrey's music (including a remastered and expanded, "Resurrection of Spiders in the Moonlight" never before on CD). She also put out "Steve Weber, Holy Modal Rounders B.C." documenting the Portland-based group. I met and married Kathryn and have been putting up videos of Jeffrey Frederick and his bands on You Tube, MySpace, Facebook. Here's Jeff's site: Tunes and more on Jeffrey and his friends, including Snock. We hope to eventually put out a new, Have Moicy like CD with Stampfel's Rounders, Robin Remaily, Kevin "Bingo" Richey, and Teddy Deane. Meanwhile, the Freak Mountain Ramblers keep the old spirit alive here in Portland, including Teddy and Roger North and the amazing Dave Reisch, who played with 'em all and still does. You can find them, too, on You Tube.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:58 PM

Wow. Thanks for all the background. I had to pause momentarily when your post stated Weber and Stampfel are like some kind of strange physics model of a binary star system ever attracting and repulsing one another. Right now, they no longer even talk. He died 12 years ago. Then I realized you were talking about Jeff Frederick.
I am still stunned, amazed, and sometimes chagrined, by their original collaboration on the first album of psychodelic old time fiddle tunes.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Mark Ross
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:17 PM

Actually, The Holy Modal Rounders planned to change their name to The Moray Eels when they went electric. Hence the title of the LP, THE MORAY EELS EAT THE HOLY MODAL ROUNDERS. The band consisted of Stampfel, Weber, Sam Shepard(drums), John Wesley Annis(bass), and Richard Tucker(piano).

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Severn
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:43 PM

DeHypnotist,

The Jeffery Fredericks link didn't work for me. Could you please post again?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:51 PM

I was pointed at H M R as a good Harmony group a While back ! Never followed it up though


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:52 PM

100


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:50 PM

Follow it up NOW!

Ross


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:09 PM

Thanks Ross .


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: beeliner
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:24 PM

The booklet notes to the Too Much Fun album (1999) state that two albums were recorded, with the second, titled Unholier Than Thou, to be released in 2000.

Was this ever released? Will it be?

Is Stampfel still an editor at Daw Books?


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:39 PM

Severn, I fixed the link. It works now.

This is fascinating stuff!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 12:56 PM

Nice youtube vid of Jeffrey Fredericks and Les Clams doing Beer Shits.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 06:29 PM

Rounder fans should check out the documentary about them. It's called "Bound to Lose" and Amazon's got it.

http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Modal-Rounders-Bound-Lose/dp/B001D5F380/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259364350&sr=8-9


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 12:32 PM

try Jeffrey Frederick Site Worked for me. There are about a dozen Jeffrey clips on YouTube now, but one video, for "Saturday Night" is too long for YouTube and can be found on MySpace and Facebook. Any problems, email me: dehypnotist@yahoo.com

Yes, Stampfel is still at DAW (he married Betsy Wolheim, who inherited the company from her dad). He continues to play up a storm in all kinds of musical conglomerations.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Aussie guest
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:42 AM

Just discovered this thread ... like most late comers I lurve HMR ..
I've still got (and was just digitizing) their double album I bought in the late 60s-early 70s?? ...it was one of the few vinyls I brought with me when I moved to Oz in '80 ...
anyway in response to way earlier post asking about He's Got Better Things for You - it's an old gospel song sung
by Bessie Johnson on Vol 1 of a Herwin album called Bessie Johnson 1928-29 ... other gospel singers have covered it ... she's bloody
hard to understand ... I'll have another listen and post the lyrics
if I can figure them out ...


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:08 AM

Here's Harry Smith's transcription of "He's Got Better Things for You":

HALF AIN'T NEVER BEEN TOLD. JESUS CHRIST SAVIOUR; GOT HOLY GHOST AND FIRE. CORNELIUS HUMBLE, NOT SUFFICIENT, GOD SENT ANGEL. SAINT MARY, VIRGIN, BIRTHED SON OF GOD. GOD MADE HER NEW; NOW WAITING IN GLORY.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:12 AM

"strange offshoot of traditional folk music that included Wild Man Fischer, Country Joe and the Fish, Captain Beefheart among others"

This doesn't make any sense. I have stuff by all of these people and they certainly don't fit into any "weird offshpot of traditional folk" genre. The good captain was fairly weird, WMF was also pretty weird. Country Joe & The Fish were a left wing psychedelic acid rock band. Joe himself did do a lot of folk stuff - but not weird, or belonging to the same camp as WMF or that of Don Van Vliet. The Holy Modal Rounders remebered mainly for their contribution to Easy Rider soundtrack.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: RWilhelm
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:01 PM

Many of us remember the Holy Modal Rounders from our CD player earlier this week.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:56 PM

If you want a sense of the anarchic wonder of the Holy Modal Rounders, check out their "Year of Jubilo" - they compress a whole fake-negro-dialect song into two razor sharp verses - plus some wild and wonderful instrumental playing. Wonderful!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:58 PM

Hey Woodsie, cut me some slack. In 1999 when I started this thread, I hadn't heard the Rounders in probably thirty years, since my friend Steve played them for me. The other artists I mentioned were also people Steve had in his collection and turned me on to. I do see some correlations between Euphoria and tunes by Fischer, Beefheart, the Fugs etc. But I'm not here to classify anyone nor hang a label on them.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 02:01 PM

I wouldn't wonder about it, LEJ - the Rounders were unique, unclassifiable. I just sit back and enjoy them!


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:39 PM

Sorry Lonsome EJ - didn't mean to be prickley - one thing they all do have in common is they were in my record collection at various times over the last 40 or so years - and I've always been called weird! Can't seem to get hold of the album "An Evening With Wild Man Fischer" anywhere these days.


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Subject: RE: The Holy Modal Rounders
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:23 PM

S'okay, Woods. Sounds like you and old Steve had the same taste.


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