BS: What is a AVFP?

Subject: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 06:17 AM

Subject: RE: BS: influx of random posts
From: AVFP - PM
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 05:20 AM

Thanks for the heads up in the HELP Forum. Please post there as opposed to on a thread as we'd prefer to keep a lower profile as far as the spammers go. I removed well over 30. Probably a lot more but I didn't count.---AVFP

Just in case anyone was wondering who this poster is and what the intials AVFP stand for:

The intials stand for Anonymous Volunteer Fellow Poster.

As to who this poster may be - I can't tell you?

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: MMario
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 09:29 AM

That is what anonymous means.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,mack/misophist
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:09 AM

One may entertain suspicions about a person who knows the meaning of a mysterious acronym, though. Congratulations on having only 30 spam. This morning I had over 600 in the spam folder but I never check before deleting.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:27 AM

you mean it's NOT Avuncular Visitor, Fleetingly Prophetic??

golly, I was so sure...

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: AVFP
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:27 AM

As one of Mudcat's favourite critics, I thought using the handle AVFP would be more acceptable to The Shambles rather than Joe Clone.---AVFP

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 05:03 PM

Anti Virus Folk Person?
Auto Vehicle Finish Painter?
Anticlockwise Vanishing Flying Parrot?

Who knows?
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 06:40 PM

according to some...
Autocratic Visitor Filtering Police

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 03:40 AM

In the following we now have a AAVFP.

Looks like Spam

What does AAVFP stand for?

Or YAFAVFP?

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: John O'L
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 03:52 AM

Another AVFP

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: John O'L
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 04:00 AM

Young Agile Fit Amorous Virile Fellow Poster?

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 04:00 PM

Another Vicious F***ing Poster.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 03:29 AM

That is what anonymous means.

Is anonymous posting generally thought to be a good thing and now something to be encouraged?

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 03:33 AM

And there was me thinking it meant Aston Villa Football Professionals

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 09:22 AM

Shambles - it is anonymous because it DOES NOT MATTER who it might be. It is somebody doing the necessary jobs which make the forum actually readable. I am aware of the situation which was under discussion in the Help Forum as I was one of many who alerted the backroom about threads being deliberately filled up with crud.
Luckily there are a bunch of unsung heroes - I don't have a clue who they all might be - who instead of whingeing about things needing fixing, get of their backsides and help to do something about it. In this case, monitoring threads for the crud (none of it being postings by either members or guests, just gibberish to cause annoyance) and deleting it wholesale.
Frankly, it doesn't matter which of the volunteers deleted what, just that it was done, and I, for one, thank them for their efforts.
Obviously they they need to inform other people doing the same job of what actions have been taken and when, so that an overall picture can be kept. What they do not need is to involve their usual Mudcat name, because they are not doing it as "Fred the rabbit from shunthorpe". It has no connection with their musical or social postings.

I think it disingenuous to use the fact that a Mudcatter is also posting under a deliberately anonymous name, as an excuse to stir things up.

Once again I would like to thank the "joeclones" (whoever they might be) for cleaning up the crud which was spoiling my enjoyment of the forum.
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.
(off to put some Diesel fuel into my AVFP and drive it down to meet up with Captain Scarlet and the Angels on Cloudbase)

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 02:08 PM

I think it disingenuous to use the fact that a Mudcatter is also posting under a deliberately anonymous name, as an excuse to stir things up.

Do you not think it disingenuous for any Mudcatter to post under a deliberately anonymous name - and also to impose their judgement and censor the posts of their fellow posters - who are prepared to be known and always be accountable to our forum, for their actions?

FAB

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 04:36 PM

Try reading what I typed.
Quack!
GtD

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 05:52 PM

This is the sort of posting which is being removed

Subject: RE: London buskers / Licensing Act
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 05:50 AM

orybokkacchhiga



If you click on the link and the posting is in the thread it means that the "clones" have not caught it yet. If the link doesn't go anywhere it means the "clone" system is working and they have deleted it.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 05:55 PM

I agree. Quack!

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 06:08 PM

Anonymous posting is a funny thing
Some treat it like game
But some need to know who is saying what
And insist you use a name

Pity those anonymous ones
Like some poor unamed Guest
For just wishing to remain unknown
Will be often thought a pest

But some who will not be known
And expect to be trusted still
Are not expected to be named
When they impose their will

Expecting the poster's gratitude
And we would give this too
Quite freely and with pleasure
If we knew who to give this to.

All animals are equal,
Now, some more than others
But George Orwell meant the pigs
Not all my sisters and my brothers?

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 08:40 PM

Do you not think it disingenuous for any Mudcatter to post under a deliberately anonymous name.

Well shambles, I normally disagree entriely on the moderation/admin issues you raise including the clones acting anonymously.

I will concede on this one that while I couldn't really care less, the idea of a member having an anonymous name to post as a member but does their duties anonymously with no name and persumably has another Mudcat member name which they don't use anonymously, etc. or however you work it out - I confuse myself thinking about it does seem somewhat odd to me.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 05:37 AM

Jon -
You don't have to agree with me - for I don't really see that anonymous posts or those from unamed Guests have ever been a problem.
These can easly be ignored and the site's owner (up to now) has accepted contributions from the public - whether they wish to be anonymous or not.

The point is that many of our regular posters have expressed their concern over anonymous posting and posted only their judgement on the reluctance of unamed Guests to be known and stand by their actions.

However, many of these same posters do not seem to have the same problems with our unknown number of anonymous volunteer fellow posters (AVFPs) - who feel theselves qualified to impose their judgement on the posts of others. My view is that all anonymous posting is either thought to be acceptable - or it is a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 06:40 AM

No shambles, much of your point has been discussed frequently and I think most people are quite at ease at differentiating between anonymous posting (which can be unpopular) and carrying out administrative duties anonymously. Historically anonymous administrative/volunteer comments have been made, usualy in brown text, under the text of the relavent post.

The question of a member having an "anonymous membership name" which identifies the person as an "unknown volunteer" for a post to a thread is a relatively new issue and one I have not seen discussed before. I can only find 6 examples starting May 2006 of such postings.

As I said before, I couldn't care less about it and for all I know, it might make sense for the way Mudcat is operated but it does strike me as slightly unusual.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 01:33 PM

You rather miss the point that all of our AVFPs and the Guest label - only exist because of the general concern expressed on our forum about aspect of anonymous posting.

The idea that you deal with the problems of anonymous posting by introducing, justifying and defending the concept of anonymous judgement and imposed censorship - is to use your word - an unusual one........

But our forum becomes more unusual as it becomes more restrictive and illogical.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 01:54 PM

You rather miss the point that all of our AVFPs and the Guest label - only exist because of the general concern expressed on our forum about aspect of anonymous posting.

I have no clue why AVFP exists and am not convinced you are right.

The GUEST label did not arise because of general concern expressed on the forum about anonymous posting. It arose because of a specific incident where a non-member impersonated a member for a thread (Healing For A Mouse) by using that persons member name.

It was designed to make it clear whether a post had come from a (logged in) member as opposed to from a NAMED (not anonymous) guest.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:17 PM

The GUEST label did not arise because of general concern expressed on the forum about anonymous posting. It arose because of a specific incident where a non-member impersonated a member for a thread (Healing For A Mouse) by using that persons member name.

Any specific incident was only focusing the general concerns that had already long been expressed (by some posters) about all aspects of anonymous posting.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:26 PM

Shambles I'm out of this thread now as I don't believe our conversation will go anywhere but please think on this.

Had the poster that caused the impersonation been anonymous, the impersonation could not have occured.

You know - 'I know I'm going to make a post say at the top "from: Jon Freeman" so it looks like a member post and I will do it annoymously by not supplying a name' does not make an awful lot of sense.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:28 PM

No Jon - what you just said makes no sense to me...........

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:31 PM

I phrased my example badly shambles...

But the fact remains the impersonation that occured was caused by supplying a name and could not have been caused by not supplying a name.

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: GUEST,The shambles
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:36 PM

Just to spell it out, shambles, before I leave...

It works like this. This post has been made by shambles, right? Of course not we can see it came from a GUEST (who in this instance is clearly Jon Freeman).

Without the GUEST tag, it would have to have come from you.

Of course if I'd acted anonymously, no name would appear at the top so there wouldn't be the question of impersonation would there?

Subject: RE: BS: What is a AVFP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:57 PM

My brain hurts.