BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,dan
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 03:57 AM

The Hizbollah did not start the war.The Israelis have made dozens of "incursions " into the Lebanon to take hostages,assasinate and obtain information during the past few years.

Israel was holding hundreds of Lebanese prisoners plus would not reveal the whereabouts of 170000 mines which civilians were stepping on on the hillsides and fields of southern Lebanon.

However,the timing of the capture of the two Israeli soldiers was linked to the Israeli attack on Gaza where hundreds of Palestinians have been killed and hundreds more wounded by heavy shell and tank fire during the past few months.
dan

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 04:05 AM

Hey, Danny, did you sleep in today? You're late. Haven't heard the same post for hours at least.

"The Hizbollah did not start the war."

Of course they did. India, which is really POed at Isreal, has even said that Hezbollah started the war. They then go on to say that Israel's response is not proportional. Do you make that crap up as you go along? You've posted the same thing about 10 times. It was bullshit when you started, and it's still bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:07 AM

do you have water and electricity, peace? Israel's response is not proportional.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,apalled
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 09:21 AM

Published on Friday, July 28, 2006 by the Toronto Star
Canadian's Wife Wants Answers
Says deadly bombing of UN observer post was `intentional.


The wife of a Canadian soldier missing and presumed dead in an Israeli air strike on a United Nations observation post in southern Lebanon says she believes the attack was intentional. Cynthia Hess-von Kruedener made the allegation yesterday when she spoke to reporters at Canadian Forces Base Kingston.

"Why were they firing on that base?" Hess-von Kruedener demanded to know. "That wasn't the only day they were firing on that base. My information from (her husband) is weeks upon weeks they've been firing on them. "In my opinion, those were precision-guided missiles, then that was intentional," she said. The career officer had been in Lebanon for the past nine months and had three months remaining in his mission.

His wife's comments add fuel to the growing controversy over the bombing.. At the heart of it lies information that has come out over the past few days that UN observers in Lebanon phoned the Israelis at least 10 times over a six-hour period pleading for the shelling of the position to stop. When it became evident the shelling wasn't going to stop, the base commander called top UN officials in New York.

Ireland has filed an official protest over the incident as six of those specific phone warnings came from Lt.-Col. John Molloy, a senior Irish UN peacekeeper whose job was to liaise with the Israel Defence Forces.

An Israel Defence Forces spokesman denied the allegation saying "we are targeting the roads because Hezbollah uses those roads; under no circumstances do we target civilians, including the media."

For Hess-von Kruedener, an email sent to CTV last week about his mission described the dangers he faced.

According to UN officials, there have been dozens of incidents involving firing near UN posts — including nine hits on their positions.

© 2006 The Toronto Star

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 12:50 PM

Richard Bridge has it exactly right. What Israel is doing by destroying Lebanon is storing up more trouble for itself and its supporters--by creating more terrorists all over the world.

As I said earlier, creating and enforcing a no-go zone for Hezbollah close to the border is fine. The rest of it is not fine--in fact criminally stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,DAN
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 02:40 PM

How about a no go area for Israeli armed forces on the West Bank and in Gaza city?

When the Israeli army goes there it is usually to kill civilians,who are often children or the elderly,blow up houses or demolish olive groves.Understandably the Palestinians who have lived on those lands for generations are very,very angry and humiliated.

How about a no go area for the Israeli armed forces in the Lebanon?

This is the secong massive destruction on that country in 25 years.The last time Israel invaded the Lebanon in 1982 it destroyed Beirut with artillery shells,tank fire and missiles.Twenty thousand civilians were killed and many more maimed.Now the Israelis are repeating the bloodlust!

How about a no go area FOR Palestinians in Israeli prisons?


Some nine thousand Palestinian and hundreds of Lebanese are locked up,illteated and frequently tortured .The prisoners include women and children who the Palestinian fighters want to exchange for the captured Israeli soldier [the one with the french passport ].

How about a no go area on the Golan Heights?

This Syrian region was grabbed by Israel in 1967 and has never been returned .

How about a go go area for the Geneva Convention and the humane treatment of civilians?

For the past few weeks we have seen appalling barbarities inflicted on the long suffering people of Gaza and the Lebanon.Today a one DAY old girl , a victim of the bombing,was buried in the Lebanon.One day Olmert and his butchers will have to answer for their war crimes in an international court of law.
dan

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 02:56 PM

"do you have water and electricity, peace? Israel's response is not proportional."

And where the hell did I say it WAS proportional.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,hedd
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 04:04 PM

EMERGENCY NATIONAL DEMONSTRATION
                IN SUPPORT
       THE LEBANON AND PALESTINE
There will be a massive emergency demonstration in central London on saturday the 5th August in support of the people of Palestine and Lebanon.
             Stop The Invasion
          For An Immediate Ceasefire
Do come along and show your support for those Palestinians and Lebanese who are being bombed ,shelled and incinerated by the Israeli armed forces.

The demonstration is being organised by
The Stop The War Coalition
The Palestine Solidarity Campaign
Muslim Association of Britain
          CND
The Lebanese Community in Britain
hedd

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 04:08 PM

By all means. If it will help bring the war to an end, do that. I hope one or two people will also carry signs that read, "Stop Hezbollah and Hamas Attacks on Israel". Just in the interest of showing solidarity for peace that might have a chance of lasting.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 04:42 PM

So, uh, anyone gonna carry a sign like that?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:08 PM

My sign will say
"Bush-the number one terrorist"
probably because of his "Shock and Awe" war crimes in Iraq and his arming and encouragement of the warmongers in Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,katie
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:10 PM

The placard I would like to carry would read
                FREE PALESTINE!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:11 PM

Thought the answer might be something like that. So it's really an anti-Israel demonstration and not one to try and bring about a lasting peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:37 PM

Do you honestly think that Bush and his neocons are interested in lasting peace?

That gang,on the contrary believe in the Long War ,which is not about bringing democracy to the Middle East but is all about strategic interests,imperialism and oil...very much about oil.

which is why my placard would say

                  NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
JON

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,GRANT
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:41 PM

500 people marched in Cardiff,Wales today calling for an end to the bombing of the Lebanon and the attack on Gaza city!
They were warmly received on the streets of the capital.
grant

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:43 PM

That is a good thing.

When will those people march calling for an end to the bombing of the Israelis?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,sue
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:51 PM

The placard I would carry would read

            
               STOP THE BOMBING !
                STOP THE CRIME
                  TANKS OUT OF
                   PALESTINE!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Hugo
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:56 PM

Two UN observers have been wounded by Israeli shelling in the Lebanon.

In the south of Lebanon a woman and her 5 children have been killed by an Israeli attack.The Israelis are reported to be looking into the matter.
hugo

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM

Three Israelis speaking in heavily Russian accented Hebrew went on a stabbing rampage in the Israeli city of Acre today wounding two Israeli arabs including a member of the knesset.
The attackers fled.
albert

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:04 PM

There have been no Israeli civilian casualties in this war.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:11 PM

It is interesting to note that while the Masters of War in the US and Israel get soldiers to do their bidding, the Masters of War in Iran and the Hezbollah in Lebanon seldom get remarked about. I wonder why that is?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,dan
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:17 PM

Three teenagers aged 16 years of age from the Golan Heights which are occupied by Israel but are part of Syria have been sentenced to 9 years imprisonment in an Israeli jail for armed resistance to the occupying forces.
There have been widespread protests from within Syria and the Golan about the legality and severity of the sentences.
dan

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:23 PM

"It is interesting to note that while the Masters of War in the US and Israel get soldiers to do their bidding, the Masters of War in Iran and the Hezbollah in Lebanon seldom get remarked about. I wonder why that is?"

I think, bruce, it's all about who is the victim and who is the perpetrator.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:32 PM

I think it's about posturing, because I have never seen any of the Hezbollah apologists complaining when Israelis are killed by suicide bombers or rockets from Hezbollah.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:42 PM

Well lets solve the problem lets kill all the jews and let the arabs kill or convert us all to Islam thats what you fuckers all want isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:47 PM

what codswallop.

the Israeli government has a lack of good leadership. Most Jews in australia want negotiation, not war, and i believe most decent people in any war ridden countries want that.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 07:08 PM

bullshit freda, what they want is to be recognised and left alone something the arabs have no intention of negotiating.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 08:04 PM

I know mosty Israelis want to be recognised and left alone, and so do most Lebanese. Both Hezbollah and the Israeli government are locked into a catch 22 of retribution and revenge, because both see the other side as the ones at fault. Suicide bombing on one side, flights into Lebanese territory, bombings and sonic booms on the other side. While the governments of both sides believe the only solution is military, the war will continue.

both sides refuse to look at their own culpability.

Meanwhile, [from the BBC] firing across the border has continued by Israel and Hezbollah. An Israeli air strike has closed the main border crossing from Lebanon into Syria, witnesses and officials say. Missiles hit the road between the two states' immigration posts, but on the Lebanese side, the reports said. A separate strike wounded two more UN monitors in their observation post, days after four were killed. the UN still has "serious concerns" about the incident, which happened despite repeated UN pleas for the Israelis to stop firing.

The UN says some 600 people - about a third of them children - have been killed by Israeli action in Lebanon. They include a mother and her five children killed in a new wave of Israeli air raids in southern Lebanon, Lebanese medics said. Israel said it was investigating.

Hezbollah has continued firing hundreds of rockets into Israel - several hit the northern Israel town of Safed on Saturday. In a new message, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said more central Israeli cities would be targeted if the Israeli offensive continued.

A total of 51 Israelis, including at least 18 civilians, have been killed during the conflict.

Meanwhile, Israeli military sources have indicated that the fighting could intensify.

Earlier, Israel rejected a UN call for a three-day truce in southern Lebanon.

The UN said children, the elderly and disabled people were trapped and supplies were short, but Israel said there was no need for a truce as a humanitarian corridor to the area had been opened.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 08:20 PM

"the UN still has "serious concerns" about the incident, which happened despite repeated UN pleas for the Israelis to stop firing."

The UN should get its head out and go to Lebanon. It does not require the US to give an OK. The US went into Iraq without the OK. A coalition of other countries could do the same in Lebanon. It ain't rocket surgery.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 08:25 PM

The UN is already in Lebanon, Peace, and as you will have read, has also been bombed by the Israelis, despite repeated requests from various UN members for them to stop bombing its stations there.

...meanwhile,

Tony Blair was facing a full-scale cabinet rebellion last night over the Middle East crisis after his former Foreign Secretary warned that Israel's actions risked destabilising all of Lebanon.
Jack Straw, now Leader of the Commons, said in a statement released after meeting Muslim residents of his Blackburn constituency that while he grieved for the innocent Israelis killed, he also mourned the '10 times as many innocent Lebanese men, women and children killed by Israeli fire'.

He said he agreed with the Foreign Office Minister Kim Howells that it was 'very difficult to understand the kind of military tactics used by Israel', adding: 'These are not surgical strikes but have instead caused death and misery amongst innocent civilians.' Straw said he was worried that 'a continuation of such tactics by Israel could destabilise the already fragile Lebanese nation'. The Observer can also reveal that at a cabinet meeting before Blair left for last Friday's Washington summit with President George Bush, minister after minister pressed him to break with the Americans and publicly criticise Israel over the scale of death and destruction.

The critics included close Blair allies. One, the International Development Secretary, Hilary Benn, was revealed yesterday to have told a Commons committee that he did not view Israel's strikes on power stations as a 'proportionate response' to Hizbollah attacks.
[Cabinet in open revolt over Blair's Israel policy; Gaby Hinsliff in San Francisco, Ned Temko in London and Peter Beaumont in Beirut; Sunday July 30, 2006; The Observer]

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 08:34 PM

The UN is not there with ROE that stipulate they can 'shut it down'. (I am aware of the approximately 1100 UN Observer force that's there. TY.)

"There would have been no ambiguity about whether the Israelis had targeted the UN had Mr. Annan, in accordance with deployment tradition, withdrawn the observers from the area as soon as ceasefire violations erupted into open warfare.

Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie describes the decision to leave the observers on site as "bizarre" from a military point of view.

"If I were their commander and I was ordered to leave them there, I'd disobey the order and they could send me home," he said.

Indeed, in what is the equivalent of a voice from the grave, an e-mail written by Maj. Hess-von Kruedener days before the strike says Hezbollah was active in the area of the observer post and that Israeli strikes close to it had "not been deliberate targeting."

The firing was "due to tactical necessity," he wrote, which Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said was military jargon for "I've got Hezbollah all over my position using us as shields."

Hiding behind targets the Israelis are reluctant to strike is a common Hezbollah tactic, and Jan Egeland, the UN's emergency relief co-ordinator, this week called the guerrilla fighters "cowards" for putting Lebanese civilians at risk by hiding among them.

Yet Mr. Annan ignored Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's reports of the increasing risks to the base as Hezbollah used it as a shield."


from a google of

un, lebanon

Then this comes up

2 Indian UN peacekeepers wounded in southern Lebanon
CBC Montreal, Canada - 4 hours ago
... Earlier this week, an Israeli bomb destroyed a UN observer post in south Lebanon, killing at least three observers. Another observer ...
Harper doubts UN post deliberately targeted CBC.ca
UN post should have been cleared National Post
Probe bombing of UN observer post Toronto Star
The Canberra Times - Hamilton Spectator - all 148 related

The article title is 'UN posts should have been cleared National Post

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 08:40 PM

DUBLIN (Reuters) - An Irish army officer in south Lebanon warned Israel six times that air strikes threatened the lives of U.N. observers there before four staff were killed in a direct hit, Ireland's Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday.

"On six separate occasions he was in contact with the Israelis to warn them that their bombardment was endangering the lives of U.N. staff in South Lebanon," a Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman
said. "He warned: 'You have to address this problem or lives may be lost'," the spokesman said of comments by Lieutenant Colonel John Molloy, the chief liaison officer between U.N. forces in South Lebanon and the Israelis.

The remarks came after Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern summoned Israel's ambassador to his office to "protest at the strongest possible level". Speaking to reporters after the meeting, Ahern cast doubt on assurances the deaths had been an accident. "Evidence that we have would suggest that this was either an incredible accident or else was in some way directly targeted," Ahern told reporters following the meeting.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jul 06 - 11:55 PM

So, uh, what's the Socialist Workers' position on Muslim Genocide in the Sudan?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:00 AM

Psssst,

Ten to one either the USA or Israel get the blame for genocide in the Sudan. Not the Muslims, but the US or Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:20 AM

not being a Socialist worker, i wouldn't know, Peace. and i don't appreciate your attempt to portray my views as coming from some ideological standpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:23 AM

To be clear, Freda, the above posts were not aimed at you at all. They are for the assorted crew who post as Guest ifor, josh, et.al. You at least recognize that there are two sides to the issue at hand: namely, the war between Israel and Hezbollah.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:28 AM

sorry, bruce, i must be suffering from centre-of-the-universe syndrome. but you know, mercury is retrograde in my chart right now :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:32 AM

Mercury is not good for you.

I owe the apology for not making clear that they were meant for the GUEST crew--who are only two or three people, tops. One of them posts often from the Socialist Worker Online. The others seem to take their lead from that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:09 AM

Freda you responded to my question:

Yes, robo, as I have stated previously, I support the 1967 borders defining Israel and Israel's right to defend them, but as far as I am aware those borders do not extend into Lebanon.

I wanted to thank you for the straightforward answer, unlike so many Guest, dan/danny/another guy/thisotherguy/thatotherguy/ who are love bombing us with their diatribes solely on one side.

The more I hear, the more I back Israel's overall response. Hezbollah has huge depots of rockets which so far have been used by the hundreds against Israeli civilians. The Lebanese army was not in possession of Lebanese territory, ergo, is it really Lebanese territory? The UN chose to site itself where Hezbollah fighters could utilize it for their own positions. They said so themselves. I wonder if they have asked for positions on Israeli territory or are observing the hits being made on Haifa.

Israel did not initiate this but they seem to be making the decision that an over-response will make the events memorable enough in Arab eyes to pre-discourage Arab governments from benign indifference to terrorists within their borders. I think it's rational and I hope it works.

There are some New Yorker articles that a friend posted me, written back in '02. They indicate that Hezbollah has been long range planning anti-Israel and anti-semitic campaigns for a long time.

So, while Israel is waging a pretty hard attack on supposedly civilian areas as well as Hezbollah centers, a lot of those civilian areas contain Hezbollah relatives and tolerant neighbors.

When protestors are so one-sided as to call on Israel alone to cease fire, they lose all credibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:18 AM

A picture worth looking at.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:20 AM

Posted without comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:54 AM

Peace, the "picture worth looking at" is very innacurate. In three quarters of those countries the people are not arabic.

eg they are Persian (Iran), Turkish (Turkey)Pashtun & Tajik (Afghanistan) Pashtun (Pakistan) etc etc

and the cartoon.. young people on both sides of the Israel/Palestine are just as much at risk.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 02:10 AM

Fine. Tell me this: why have you NOT called the GUEST arseholes to account for their racist crap on this thread? Why have you NOT taken Hezbollah to account for years of killing Israelis? It is about Arabs and Jews in this instance--Lebanon and Israel. However, it really is much more than that. It is about Iranian manipulation--and you have not addressed that. Maybe it is not convenient to address where this started. I am aware that only 15% of Muslims are Arabs also. But you talk about fair? Why were people here not talking about fair when Hezbollah was attacking Israel for years? WHY?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 02:14 AM

BTW, those cartoons are tame compared to the shit that is regularly used in Arab countries to portray Israel, and specifically Jews. Go to some of their site and tell THEM that.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 02:40 AM

Example here.

"The cartoon above, from Arab News, depicts rats wearing Stars of David and skullcaps. They scurry backwards and forwards through holes in the wall of a building called "Palestine House." Arab News, an English-language daily widely read by expats in Saudi Arabia, is widely-regarded as a moderate publication. It is published by a state-owned Saudi corporation. The imagery in the cartoon may well be inspired by a well-known scene from the Nazi film "Jew Suess," to which it bears a close resemblance – a scene in which Jews are depicted as vermin to be eradicated by mass extermination."

The text is by Tom Gross

It is from

www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 02:47 AM

From 'Palestine Media Watch'

The translation:

"On old man: The 20th century
On boy: The 21st century
Above Jew: The disease of the century
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, December 28, 1999]"

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 02:57 AM

Honoring terrorism

This approach to creating terrorist heroes by naming infrastructures for them has long been a Palestinian Authority practice. Examples include:

Summer camps sponsored by the PA Ministry of Youth and Sport named for suicide terrorists;

A soccer tournament named for the suicide terrorist who killed 31 at a Passover celebration at the Park Hotel in Netanya;

A girls' school near Hebron named by the PA Ministry of Education for a woman terrorist who murdered 37; and

A poetry collection by the PA Ministry of Culture named in honor of the suicide terrorist who killed 21 at a restaurant in Haifa.

As long as the PA features exciting, terror-promoting videos on its websites, and names streets, schools, summer camps and tournaments after terrorists, its isolated condemnations of terror attacks - worded to placate Western leaders - will be long forgotten by Palestinians, while the infrastructures of hate and terror will last and reverberate. This leaves lasting impressions on PA youth and creates a new generation of PA terrorists waiting for another target.

*****************************

That is from http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 03:01 AM

I think you have to take many of these so called translations with a big dose of salt as there are units in Israeli intelligence whose job it is is to mistranslate arab articles or even invent articles for european or american consumption.It's called the black arts millions ,if not billions are spent every year on them.

Clearly reading the posts of several of the pro zionists on mudcat they seem to work in some if not most, cases.

Its interesting to note that the Zionists have hurled racist abuse at the arabs and palestinians from the very beginning poisoning the social relations and making rational discussion or cooperation very difficult.
albert

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 03:05 AM

Arab media portrayal of Jews.

I'm sure the GUEST-ifor crew here will get a big kick out of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,hugo
Date: 30 Jul 06 - 03:06 AM

Around 40 civilians were killed in Qana South Lebanon this morning.Thirtyfive [35] of the dead were children.There are many more under the rubble.
This is not war ,it is mass murder!
hugo