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Subject: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 03 Jul 06 - 11:21 AM When my computer needed repairing, I lost my list of Favorites. One of the sites had the words "Catholic Christian" on it, and it offered MIDI's of many modern hymns used in the Catholic Church. Not just many hymns - great many. Now I can't find the site. At one time, the URL had something like "cusomona" in it, but that may have changed. Can anyone give me the URL for this site? |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: The Borchester Echo Date: 03 Jul 06 - 11:42 AM Moral: always back up everything you really could do without losing. PS Have you tried St Jude? (Just a thought . . . ) |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: wysiwyg Date: 03 Jul 06 - 11:43 AM Might you have used it as a link here at some point, maybe in the Online Hymnals thread? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 03 Jul 06 - 11:45 AM Good ideas, thanks. However, backing up stuff like Favorites isn't as easy as you'd think. I don't even see a way to print them. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: The Borchester Echo Date: 03 Jul 06 - 11:49 AM Copy the folders you want into a Zipdrive. Or convert the list into a textfile and burn onto CD. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 03 Jul 06 - 11:53 AM Okay. Forget my thought that it had something like cupsomona in it. That was the Internet Renaissance Band site, a different favorite of mind. If you like early music, check that one out. http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/emusic/renaissa.html |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: OldPossum Date: 03 Jul 06 - 12:18 PM Here is how I make a backup of my favourites in Internet Explorer: * Choose Files, then Import and Export * Click on Next and choose Export favourites * The display shows the location of your favourites folder, just click next to accept it. * The display suggests a filename for the backup, and offers to put it in your documents folder. You can change it, or just click next to accept. (My version of Windows uses the Danish language, so there may be a small difference in the menu names, but it should be close.) It sounds a bit complicated when you explain it like this, but in reality it is just a couple of key strokes, and then click on Next a few times - very simple to do. To restore your backup, just follow the same procedure, but use Import instead of Export. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: OldPossum Date: 03 Jul 06 - 12:28 PM leeneia do you remember anything else about the catholic midi page? It would be easier to search if we had a bit more to go on. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: The Borchester Echo Date: 03 Jul 06 - 01:07 PM Possum's method would work (at least it sounds as though it might but I know as little as possible about nasty Gatesware) for creating a backup file on your existing drive. But as leeneia seems to have lost the favourites altogether, it sounds as if the drive has been corrupted, or just wiped by some idiot repair shop. If there's been a separate back up they could have been reinstalled. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: DannyC Date: 03 Jul 06 - 01:14 PM Actually, St. Jude serves as the sounding board for hopeless causes. The project does not yet seem qualify for Joodlian intervention. But to take a sad song, and make it better - I'd say St. Anthony's likely yer maun... "Dear St. Anthony please come around for something is lost and cannot be found." |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: The Borchester Echo Date: 03 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM Hey, Jude, Leneeia's so sad Retrieve the lost files and reinstall them Remember to back up as you go And the next crash will turn out better |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Jul 06 - 01:27 PM Hi, Leeneia - try this one and the other links listed on the page. The Ultimate Catholic MIDI Collection may also be of interest to you. Maybe I can find something at these sites to make less work for myself. I've taken to entering my own MIDIs for hymns recently, to help me learn the bass and tenor parts. I used to be lazy and sing just the melody, but we hired the Choir Director of My Dreams, and she's making me work harder than I've ever worked in a choir. Entering a MIDI with four lines of music is darn hard work, but this choir director has me bamboozled into thinking that it's essential that I learn the parts so I can "carry the bass part" or "carry the tenor part" when one or the other is weak. I know it's just a cheap appeal to my vanity - but it works. I wish the Catholic music publishers would make MIDI files available to us sight-reading-challenged choir members who need to learn new music.
-Joe- |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: GUEST,Jon Date: 03 Jul 06 - 01:28 PM Re backing up, on Firefox, Bookmarks/Manage Bookmarks/File Export. If you have a bit of spare webspace (and depending on what the bookmarks are), you could always consider putting the resulting html file up there so you have got them even if you are using another machine, eg. away from home. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: JohnInKansas Date: 03 Jul 06 - 08:45 PM The method suggested by OldPossum works quite nicely in Explorer, and should be available in most browsers. File - Export, and Favorites will produce an "html document" that's saved wherever you choose to put it on your machine. You can copy that file anywhere you want, including to a backup, so you may want to put it with the "non-system" stuff that gets backed up regularly. If you have the common problem of "too many favorites" you can export them all, put a link to the exported favorites document into your browser as a "Favorite1" with a "display name" of something like "More Favorites" and you can then click that link in your browser to open the list of favorites as an html page, where all the links should work just by clicking on them. You can also "edit" the exported page in Word, as long as you don't change the filetype (.htm) when you save the edits. I'd suggest exporting all your favorites to a backup file, with a distinctive name for backup, and then making a separate export, with a different filename, that you edit down to just the ones you want to keep but don't use often. The ones in the smaller file can then be removed from the main list in your browser once the document itself shows in your browser's listing of links. 1 Some may not have realized that a "Favorites" link in Explorer can be to any "file," on your own machine, on your network, or somewhere in the great external web. Explorer can "open" a very large variety of filetypes, using embedded "readers" or by opening the appropriate other program, just as it does with a link to a .mid or .mp3 etc. Other browsers should be able to open a "local" html page on your own machine as easily as opening a web page, so the method should work with any browser. John |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: JohnInKansas Date: 03 Jul 06 - 08:59 PM Jon's suggestion of posting your links as an html page on your website is a good one, if you have a website. For those without a website, but especially for those who use an html email service that keeps everything on the server, you could just attach the exported links file to an email and email it to yourself. Left on the server, the attachment should be accessible from any machine you can use to retrieve your email (i.e. you have to remember your password when using a strange machine.) The exported htm document can also be attached to email or copied to disk to send to a friend. Note that the friend does not have to import all your links into their browser in order for the links to work. The links can be opened directly from the export document, and the ones friend wants can be saved as Favorites (from the opened page - thus confirming that the link is good). John |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Big Mick Date: 03 Jul 06 - 10:42 PM HERE is one called Higher Praise that might be of help. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:38 AM Mistrusting the faulty representations of songs in the web deeply I can only recommend the Missale Romanum in printed form. That's the reliable stuff. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 04 Jul 06 - 10:05 AM I found the page, but I tried clicking on four songs and they no longer play. The site is (was) http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/dca1/midis/christian.htm How the h*ll are people supposed to be pious when the g*dd*mned Internet f*cks up the fr*gging MIDI's!? No doubt St Anthony helped me find it. Thanks, all. Now, which saint repairs broken links? Thanks, too, for the advice about Import and Export, etc. I will try it out. Joe - congratulations on your new choir director and your progress singing parts. Good choral singing is one of the most wonderful things a person can participate in. Wilfried - I will check out the Missale Romanum. Does it have "Lord you have come to the seashore in it"? |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Jul 06 - 10:41 AM
I doubt that you'll find contemporary (or English-language) Catholic hymns in the Missale Romanum. And if you really want chants, you'd probably be better off with the Liber Usualis or a Kyriale. I found some Lutheran MIDI files and sheet music here (click), and a large collection of Spanish-language Catholic hymns here (click). There's another one here (click). I think the more common name of "Lord you have come to the seashore" is "Pescador de Hombres." A Google Search for "pescador de hombres" MIDI will lead you to that song and others you'll like. This link may play the MIDI directly, or you may have to go here (click) for the lyrics and follow through to the MIDI. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:56 PM Are you sure this is not a divine message? |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: IvanB Date: 04 Jul 06 - 10:31 PM This site http://romaaeterna.jp/ seems to have numerous traditional Catholic hymns as well as chants for the ordinary and proper of the mass. Dunno if it'll help you, but I listed it for what it's worth. I note that IF, NOW, THOU SEEKEST MIRACLES (St.Anthony) was added in July of '05. Maybe they were expecting you, leeneia. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:19 PM Okay, okay, let me take a deep breath here. (Just kidding.) Yes, Ivan, St. Anthony probably had something to do with me finding the lost page. Now we need a cyberbloodhound who might be able to track that old page, which was (to repeat) http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/dca1/midis/christian.htm and see if it has found a new home. Can anybody do that? In the meantime, I will explore all the links above. Lutheran music, for example, is often of interest to the scholar of early music. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:27 PM PS. That was just a joke about "Lord you have come to the seashore" being in the Missale Romanum. I didn't really think it would be. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: IvanB Date: 06 Jul 06 - 10:01 AM leeneia, your link above (http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/dca1/midis/christian.htm) is a working link for me. Are you saying that it had a link to a larger collection or something of the sort? |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: IvanB Date: 06 Jul 06 - 10:22 AM Whoops, I posted too quickly. I see the index page loads but none of the hymns do. "404" error on every one of them. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 06 Jul 06 - 02:02 PM Yep. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 07 Jul 06 - 09:45 AM I do believe I've found it. It is now this site: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~sorem002/hymn_midi.html It does have Lord, you have come to the seashore, in fact, it has it twice. It is a link mentioned by Joe above - that's how I found it. Don't ask me why the MIDI search engine and Google don't bring it up. Joe, you might consider this site as a source for your tenor and bass parts. I listened to the mIDI of "One bread, one body" and I can hear the alto part in it. Perhaps the other parts are in these MIDI's too. A site like this save so much time. For example, we like the song "I am the Bread of Life," but the original was too high. So I download the MIDI into Noteworthy, change the key, type the lyrics and ta da! |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Greg B Date: 07 Jul 06 - 03:21 PM Interesting page. I wonder what the copyright implications are. I recall back in the 70's the publishers of the St. Louis Jesuit stuff got quite shirty about copyright. To the extent that the small campus community with which I was involved had to desist from displaying song lyrics on an overhead projector and raise money for the individual copies of two volumes of their works. (This was the beginning of my disillusionment regarding the true allegiance of the Society of Jesus.) If fact it wasn't good enough to buy the books...they insisted we use them, which we didn't want to do because we didn't want everyone staring down at the books; but even if we had a copy for each person in attendance we STILL weren't permitted to project the lyrics! |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Greg B Date: 07 Jul 06 - 03:24 PM Just a postscript...I see the author of the site says 'non commercial use' is okay. But the way the Jesuits chose to interpret that was that use for liturgical purposes WAS commercial use because it was in fact the intended use of the material! |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:24 PM GregB, I was in a church in Florida recently where they projected the lyrics of modern songs. It seems like the position has changed. Last I heard, a person buying copyrighted material in the US was entitled to make one copy of it in another medium for their personal use. There are two sides to such issues. Religious music ought to be available to all if it is to serve its purpose. However, the publishers need income to pay for printing, distributing, and so the composers can support themselves. BUT if they publish a song and make the highest note an Eb, then this is war and all bets are off. We don't like paying for music nobody can sing. |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:45 PM Hi, Greg - I don't recall there being a problem with using St. Louis Jesuits material. If there was, I think it would be their publisher, not the Jesuits, who made a stink. I DO recall a very nasty problem that arose with the use of material from F.E.L. Publications (Friends of the English Liturgy). This company was the first big publisher of English-language Catholic music after Vatican II - the real "folk Mass" stuff (3-chord wonders). F.E.L. songs were mimeographed by the millions of copies, and I'm sure the company and songwriters were deprived of a lot of royalty money. So, F.E.L. sued dioceses and parishes and won a number of lawsuits. Trouble is, people stopped using F.E.L. music altogether, and the company folded. The St. Louis Jesuits music was published by another acronym, NALR (North American Liturgy Resources of Phoenix, pronounced "Nailer"). This firm was bought out by OCP (Oregon Catholic Press) in the late 80's or early 90's. I think the problem was that Catholics were used to using centuries-old music that was in the public domain, and they just didn't understand all this licensing stuff and the need to compensate composers for their work. Publishers, on the other hand, didn't know how to make it easy for people to get licenses for music and why they should do it. Things have settled down, and publishers have worked out reasonable ways for churches to license music. Yeah, I suppose there are copyright problems with the page leeneia linked to, and copyright problems are always going to be a source of frustration. I'm sure publishers and songwriters and musicians want people to use and enjoy their music - but they also deserve to be fairly compensated. It takes a lot to develop means of compensation that are fair and uncomplicated. The site Leeneia linked to probably won't do the publishers or songwriters any harm - it may well help people gain interest in the music and want to use it for worhip. The same issue affects music discussion forums like this one - some of what we post may violate copyright, but I don't think it affects the ability of songwriters and publishers to earn an honest profit from their work. I think our discussions can actually help the songwriters and publishers, as long as we're careful to give credit and attribution where they're due.. -Joe Offer- P.S. "The Battle of the Keys" is another expression of The Battle of the Sexes. Women often transpose songs lower so they can sing them - and then they wonder why the men don't sing. I can hit an "A" below low "C," and maybe sometimes a "G," but don't expect me to sing any lower if you want me to sing again... |
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Subject: RE: I've lost my Catholic music page From: leeneia Date: 07 Jul 06 - 08:52 PM Our choir director, who is very experienced and friendly, says that the highest you'd ever want to go in the melody of a song for the public is D. We're talking treble clef here. Obviously, for the T &B's, it needs to be sung in a different octave. |
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