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BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'

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Fiolar 05 Jul 06 - 09:19 AM
John MacKenzie 05 Jul 06 - 09:22 AM
GUEST,Jon 05 Jul 06 - 09:23 AM
Big Al Whittle 05 Jul 06 - 05:59 PM
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Fiolar 06 Jul 06 - 09:47 AM
Sorcha 06 Jul 06 - 11:28 AM
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Joe Offer 06 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM
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Divis Sweeney 06 Jul 06 - 03:08 PM
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Subject: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Fiolar
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:19 AM

Am I just being paranoid or is there a ban in certain areas of the UK on the film. I have been looking forward to seeing it, but it appears that it is not being shown in any cinema in East Anglia and unless I travel to London, it looks like I might have to wait until it comes out on DVD. Any body else have the same problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:22 AM

It may have only a limited distribution. Many films that are perceived to be special interest films, never achieve general distribtion. You need to query it with the film's distributor I'm afraid, it's all down to bums on seats with them.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:23 AM

First page I found:

here


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:59 PM

I think I should quite like to see the Tim Spall film Pierrepoint - about the hangman. Supposed to be the greatest performance of Spall's career, and its nowhere.....

I love Timothy Spall....loved Aubrey in Life is Sweet. that's another work of genius that never got much distribution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 10:09 PM

'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'- was the closing film for the Sydney Film Festival in June, it will be shown around Australia in September. I'll go and see it, for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 01:03 AM

Not a ban, Fiolar, but only 30 theatres/smaller distributors showed an interest. The big boys stayed away, scared of what public opinion would say and preferring to avoid controversy. Putting business interests first has the same effect as ban, sometimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Fiolar
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 09:47 AM

Thanks Jon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 11:28 AM

So, what's it about then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 11:35 AM

We had a whole thread about it.
Actualy, mostly not about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM

I wondered that, too, Sorch, and I wondered if it was a song or film or what that was banned. Here's what Eric the Red says in the other thread.
    Thread #91676   Message #1745292
    Posted By: eric the red
    22-May-06 - 07:33 AM
    Thread Name: BS: The Wind That Shakes The Barley
    Subject: BS: The Wind That Shakes The Barley
    Just been revued at Cannes the new Ken Loach film, ' The Wind That Shakes The Barley 'it won't be popular in England, it's about the IRA and the true nature and actions of the Black and Tans.

    eric
Sounds like it isn't a ban - just a "limited release" because it is not expected that the film's appeal will be universal.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 11:49 AM

Joe, What a pity, this is a brilliant film, see for yourself and then come back and give an opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 12:57 PM

Social comment movies are like social comment folk songs, they get very limited "air play"!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Kaleea
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 01:25 PM

It seems to me that the best way to get people out to the theatres to see a film is to get some people together to protest it in the name of one religion or another. Well, at least that's what seems to work here in the states.
   I first noticed this when the stage production of "Jesus Christ Superstar" was first making it's way to the midwest USA, the hardcore fundamentalists (the local majority) started saying how evil it was, & got interviewed for the tv & newspapers, & by the time it got to Tulsa, every kid in town-including myself-wanted to see it!
Perhaps with enough protesters yelling "don't bring it to our village," The Wind that Shakes the Barley will make it to the less populated areas of so that people can see it & decide for themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 02:15 PM

you mean we should go round saying we don't want to see it, when in actual fact, we do want to see it.

well......its an idea


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 02:53 PM

We have a number of "art house" theaters in the Sacramento area that are likely to carry this type of film. I'll watch for it. Thanks for the recommendation.
When it comes out on DVD, it would be a good idea to refresh this thread and let us know.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 03:08 PM

Actually showing in the loyalist town of Lisburn over here ! It's an excellent film, the acting is outstanding. Several of the events are based on fact such as the Kilmichael ambush and the landmine Tom Barry's men set up. It's not a pro IRA film. Shows the events that took place in Ireland around that time.A gentleman who wrote a book about the Tans was an adviser. His father was in charge of one of the barracks in and around Cork city and he worked from his fathers recollections. Spoke to him by phone a few years ago when he was writing the book, he required some information on uniforms and headwear. Lovely old guy, doubt he would have got it wrong.

The pirate dvd no doubt will be on the streets shortly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:46 AM

When it's shown on television we will hear the voices of descent on the B.B.C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:42 PM

Seems to be great movie, not over here yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 03:24 PM

Where?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:14 PM

Hertford?.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 07:04 PM

Sorry, America. Read it shows up the pro-treaty guys as Irish Brits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 06:03 PM

This is a must see film,pitty in isnt opened in wide release.I have seen lower class movies making more money at the box office,and this film is best discribed as a little masterpiece.
if you havnt seen it i suggest you do your utmost,as it will give all a bigger insight into the irish rebellion.
catholic or protestant,this is truth,this is history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 07:28 PM

I think it gives an insight as to how some people who could not have cared less about the political situation in Ireland found themselves in the middle of something that up until then did not concern them. It shows the brutality dished out to ordinary people, not IRA men and thus creating a breeding ground for resentment and hatred.

Something I can relate to when the British army arrived on our streets and stamped their authority in much the same manner as the tans in 1920.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 03:19 AM

We all know that the Tans dished out some brutality to ordinary people, but the IRA were responsible for some appalling atrocities too, and this is a dimension of the conflict that Loach chose not to explore in his film. By all means see it, but do not suppose that you are getting a balanced historical view.

The Tans may have created some "resentment and hatred" but less than 20 years later that had evaporated as free Irishmen in their tens of thousands turned their backs on the IRA who were in alliance with Nazi Germany, and flocked to join the British forces to fight against them.

Re your experience with the British Army, it would be helpful to know if you were a volunteer with PIRA or related Republican group in the armed struggle.
As you keep telling us, the war is over now and you need not be coy or ambiguous in your answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 03:58 AM

That's an awfully silly thing to ask Keith. And impertinent. DS tells us probably more than he feels comfortable telling us, as it is.

And what possibly can it have to do with all the nonsense that goes on in this forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 04:20 AM

He chose to tell us about how the army behaved to him.
He tells us that to influence our opinion.
His role at the time, however, is highly relevant to how he would be treated.
It is therefor reasonable to ask.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:34 AM

Al, Funny how history repeats itself, never understood the fascination Englishmen seem to have with that question. Remember getting it put to me numerous times over three day periods. Didn't think much of their manners or accommodation either ! Remember several guys who used to get really frustrated at my lack of conversation ! Ah long time ago, they left Ireland, I remained !


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:41 AM

Not a fascination Sweeney, but a natural response to your reference to how you were treated by the army.
I was asked if I had a military background in a very recent thread. No one talked about impertinence and fscination then.
At least tell us why you prefer not to answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:47 AM

From what I know of DS, Keith - I think he realises that he is not going to change your opinion, or my opinion.

we're like those three old farts on the village green in last of the Summer wine - we are at that stage in our lives - we have made up our minds, rather like some people make up a bed and we are lying there relatively happily.

mixed metaphors, but I think you'll get the drift.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:56 AM

Sometimes, in my old man's delusions, I imagine that someone else may sometimes read our ramblings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:58 AM

(Woops, doddery old rheumatic fingers hit submit)


...and those others may yet have open minds.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:04 AM

bloody hell, i hope not!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:15 AM

I remember treating a guy in a psychiatric unit who had been a serving soldier in the North of Ireland. He came over to spread the word of God. Very nice guy, clearly unwell,very psychotic. We got on great together. He had a total religious fixation and wanted to bring to two communities together. Anyway he responded well to treatment and in time became well again. Remember these two guys who used to visit him a lot asked to see me. They asked had he gone into his service over here much ? I said just a few times, nothing detailed. One replied that we would prefer if you tried to discourage any conversation. Best no one knows his background or what he belonged to in the interest of personal security.

So good enough for them, so it's good enough for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:20 AM

Fair enough Sweeney, but it would be fairer to stick to general rather than personal experiences if we are not allowed to know the full story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:28 AM

Most general accounts and recollections are born from personal experiences, is that correct ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:45 AM

You are being disingenuous here.
You wrote that you had been mistreated by the army to draw an analogy between the behavior of the army in your time, and the Tans of old.
However, if you were an activist, you would almost certainly be known as a suspect by the army, who would then be right to hassle you at every opportunity in the hope of preventing you committing your next act of terror.

Also, they would know that if they fell into your hands they would be killed without mercy. PIRA always killed them, and usually tortured them first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM

Remember talking to four guys from Wales who came over here fishing. They came out of a well known Irish bar in the town and were heading back to their B&B. They never even got a chance to speak, they got the lining kicked out of them by a six man foot patrol who waited on any unsuspecting group coming out of the bar. Doubt they were activists !

No mercy shown here either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:05 AM

Keth A of Hereford "the army would be right to hassle you at every opportunity"

So you agree with foreign soldiers brutally attacking locals who they feel are terrorists ?

Hassle by British soldiers seen in Iraq last year. Kicking the shit out of young men.

Do you support British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

What is an acceptable an level of hassle without breaking the law, or is breaking the law okay ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:22 AM

Much as I agree with the sentiment, Guest, in a situation like there was in NI and there is in Iraq - Ie a mainly guerilla force fighting a standard army the law does get broken on both sides. I doubt very much whether the Iraqi freedom fighter or the PIRA man before him considers the Geneva convention when planting a bomb in a crowded shopping area. This is not an excuse for the British army, just a fact of life.

When you think about it both sides are breaking one of the fundemental laws of most lands and, as far as I know, all religions. Thou shalt not kill. Seeing as breaking that law is considered the most serious of crimes by most people do you think anyone is worried by a bit of extra violence?

Whether Divis or Keith has the right of it will never be agreed. Pity that important historical documentation, such as this film, always seems to fire people up so much. Better they discuss it here though than throw rocks and petrol bombs at each other!

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:45 AM

Yes Guest I do support British troops in the Gulf.
Re the incident you mentioned in Iraq, we discussed it in 2 threads.
The whole video showed mortars and grenades exploding in the British compound and a section of soldiers going out, without firearms, to seize the ringleaders. They treated them much too roughly but they were not injured.
The British Army has proved much more restrained in peace keeping than their US comrades.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 12:32 PM

How could anyone support a miliatry presence on that soil ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 08:47 AM

living in northern ireland for 40 years,i have seen the ups and downs of this country,no one can justify the damage that the british army has caused over here,i could name you hundreds of incidents,that have occured over the years,and not one of them can be justified,through my own personal experiences,my friends,and my lost friends.
after watching this movie,i find it accurate in my accounts of the troubles here,past and present.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Den
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 10:16 AM

Interesting article here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 05:07 PM

From the article.

"In memory of the civilians murdered by British forces,"

From the Sutton index
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Civilian deaths caused by British Security - 188

Civilian deaths caused by Republical Paramilitary - 710

Civilian deaths caused by Loyalist Paramilitary - 846

Civilian deaths caused by Other (not known) - 54

Total civilian deaths - 1798

So, out of the nearly 2000 civilain deaths around 10% were caused by British Forces while nearly 90% were cuased by Paramiltaries from both camps?

Where are the memorials to the civilians murdered by their fellow Irishmen?

Just wondering.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 05:11 PM

Keith will get them for you !


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 07:18 PM

if you understand colusion,my good man you will understand that these stats are far from true,it is well known that british intelligence has played a big role in our own politics.while this country had been at war for many years,sources suggest,deals done on both sides,ie bombings,murders,and attacks on civilians,to justify there policy for being here,so the stats you read are fictionalised, simply to apeese british duristiction in northern ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 07:30 PM

What about stockings and suspenders ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 03:57 AM

Interview with Ken Loach on RTE

"The IRA of the 60s and 70s was a product of the despicable treaty that the British imposed at the point of a gun. If the British hadn't imposed partition, there would be no Provisional IRA. The entire responsibility lies with the British state. The entire responsibility. Everything that has emerged has been a protest, sometimes a violent protest, sometimes an aberrant protest, but nevertheless a protest, from the brutality of the British and the brutality of the British Empire embodied in bastards like Churchill, who not only sent the troops into Ireland, he sent the troops against Welsh miners in his own country when they wanted a decent wage. So I mean we should have no tolerance at all for these questions that try to indicate that somehow the resistance to British brutality is not acceptable."

Not only a great director, but a logical man too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 05:04 AM

if you understand colusion,my good man you will understand that these stats are far from true

I undestand collusion very well dear guest. Even if half the Loyalist paramilitary mureders were down to collusion it still means that only around 600 of the civilians killed were down to British security. Roughly 33%. Still means that 66% were killed by other civilians from their own lands.

I am not commenting on the rights and wrongs of the attrocities if you notice. Just asking why there is a big play about memorials to those killed by British security when twice as many were killed by others. Perhaps the people making these comments want to draw the eye away from the other statistics?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 06:06 AM

Ken Loach is a great director. Undoubtedly.
His "logic" is that of the extreme left wing of politics.
He despises not just Britain but all western democracies.


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