Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Shores of Botany Bay From: GUEST,Richardmcmaster Date: 28 Dec 22 - 08:02 PM It’s “Largy lime” and is peculiar to the north east coast of Antrim |
Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Shores of Botany Bay From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 27 Dec 22 - 04:39 AM continuing Bob's post from 2011 From the Archives - A selection of Bush Music Club records - Wattle, Festival & others companies It's not on our 1964 LP Dinkey Di! We Love Singing Fair Dinkum Aussie Songs. 10th Anniversary album. Festival. (John Dengate (guitar), Ann Maher (lagerphone), Frank Maher (bush bass) Tracks - The Whip and the Spur, Polka - Give a Fair Go Cruck o' the Ark, The Peach Picker's Song, Jacky Jacky, Frank Gardiner, The Great Northern Line, Dinkey Di, Wallaby Liz, Little Fish, Flask Jack from Gundagai, Haymaker's Jig, Garrawilla, Moreton's Bay. however it's listed on this EP 1962 Nine miles from Gundagai - Tracks - Jog Along Till Shearing, The Drover's Dream, To the Shores of Botany Bay. it's also on c.1960? Bush Ballads Festival-FL31336 - tracks -The Ram of Dalby, The Flash Stockman, Jog Along Till Shearing, Nine Miles from Gundagai, Dennis O'Rielly, The Drover's Dream, The Ballad of Catalpa, Charlie Mopps, The Ryebuck Shearer, To the Shores of Botany Bay, Paddy Fagin, 16,000 Miles from Home. Later released c.1966 as Songs from the Shearing Sheds CAL-R66-443 (Keith McKenry, More than a life - John Meredith & the fight for Australian Tradition, p.451) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shores of Botany Bay (Makem & Clancy) From: Daniel Kelly Date: 26 Dec 22 - 06:56 PM Reviving this thread some 22 years later to add this link. Supports the idea that the song has American origins and pre-dates Duke by many years. I did a recording recently, so was trying to identify the origins of this cracking song. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Shores of Botany Bay From: Bob Bolton Date: 20 Sep 11 - 10:40 PM G'day Tony, I need to check my records ... but I seem to remember this as being on the Bush Music Club's 1964 LP ... and that it was after that record that 'Duke' Tritton wrote an extra verse and gave it to Jamie Carlin to give a better length and round out the story. Regards, Bob |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Shores of Botany Bay From: GUEST,TONY LAVIN Date: 14 Sep 11 - 10:46 PM First recorded in 1968 by the Wild Colonial Boys on EMI "Glenrowan to the Gulf." I gave the lyrics to the Wolfe Tones in 1975. They never heard it before this date. Tony Lavin |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: GUEST,Bob B olton('s home computer) Date: 20 Feb 00 - 01:24 AM Ah! ... G'day again Brennan on the Moor, I see we were at least thinking of the same song. I guess I can't help you with tablature - the song as I know it from Duke' is a singer's song ... sung, not played. Duke was a traditional unaccompanied singer and believed that anything that interfered with the words, interfered with the song. He always told us young revival folkies of the '60s; "If the bloke in the back row doesn't hear the fifth word in the fourth line - you've mucked the song up!". Of course we went ahead and played untraditional instruments, like guitars, anyway but it is worth remembering when you are singing ... and when you are playing instrumentals. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: paddyc Date: 19 Feb 00 - 08:28 PM Does anybody have the tabs for this song? |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: SHORES OF BOTANY BAY From: Bob Bolton Date: 28 Feb 99 - 05:06 PM This is the song The Shores of Botany Bay, which was collected from H.P.C. 'Duke' Tritton in the mid 1950s. The original had 2 verses and a chorus and, sometime later, 'Duke' wrote his own third verse to round it out. The original was published in Singabout magazine vol. 2, #3, p3 - December 1957. The additional verse crept into use within the Bush Music Club and was published in Singabout magazine vol. 3, #2, p17, 1967. A composite version is in my book Singabout - Selected Reprints, Ed. Bob Bolton, Bush Music Club, Sydney, 1985. I presume that the Australian song was taken back to UK in the 1960s, by performers such as Martyn Wyndham-Read, and passed on by something between folk process and osmosis until it took up residence with Irish groups who recognised its Irish ancestry. An intriguing examle of the same process was seen in Mudcat last year in a thread enquiring after a song called Cock of the North. This was not the well-known Scots song but a folk-processed version of Australian Poet Dorothy Hewitt's The Sailor Home from the Sea (starting with the words "Oh, cock of the morning, with a dream in his hand ...") which Martyn always sang as "Oh, cock of the north ..." and we saw some incredible folk-processed changes as more versions were posted, full of substitutions for the Australian geographical and local references that were incomprehensible on the other side of the globe! When The Shores of Botany Bay was published, 'Duke' was quoted as saying that he had heard a song of the same tune, called The Shores of Amerikay. Neither the tune nor the song structure have any resemblance to the various versions I know of The Shores of Amerikay so I must assume that 'Duke' had in mind some other song or a version I have not heard. It does strike me that there are some resemblances to Irish(?) music Hall songs of the American Gold Rush era such as Muirsheen Durkin and perhaps it was one these that led to this song. I have provided the original words from Singabout (as against those that I remembered when I typed them to this thread on Friday ... perhaps another study in the folk process)
The Shores of Botany Bay
Oh, I'm on my way down to the quay, where a big ship now does lay,
MIDI file: SHORESBB.MID Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 2/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: Treas (inactive) Date: 26 Feb 99 - 10:48 PM WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO...Yes!! That is the song I was looking for! :) Thanks to everyone for all the help! Treas |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: Jack Hickman - Kingston, ON Date: 26 Feb 99 - 10:11 AM It was my understainding that "gangers" was a slang name for bosses or foremen. Jack |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: SeanM Date: 25 Feb 99 - 05:01 PM I've also heard (and seen/sung) a version where the chorus reads: 'Farewell to your gangers and your gangplanks', with the rest the same... It was explained that this was also part of the fight for better working hours, as the 'gangs' were apparently low skilled, lower payed workers brought in to do work regardless of the length of shift or quality needed. M |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE SHORES OF BOTANY BAY From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Feb 99 - 04:52 PM G'day Treas, Aha ... what you want is not 'Botany Bay' but 'The Shores of Botany Bay'. I would have the words and music on a MusicTime file ... at home! The song was first published in the Bush Music Club's 1950s - 1960s magazine 'Singabout' and is in my anthology 'Singabout - Reprints', Bush Music Club, 1985.
The verse (actually the chorus) that you quote is actually (at least, as originally sung by HPC 'Duke' Tritton in ~ 1962):
VERSE 1: I'm on my way down to the quay, where a big ship now does lay,
VERSE 2: The boss came up this morning and he says, "Well, Pat, hello
VERSE 3 (added by 'Duke'): This third verse refers to the slogan of the Bricklayers' and masons' unions in the fight for shorter working hours, late last century: "8 hours work, 8 hours sleep, 8 hours play and 8 shillings pay". A couple of extra verses have been added in recent years, but these are 'Duke' Tritton's original three, as I learnt them around 1964. I will look up the music file and repost the words (not my memory of them) and ABC/MIDI, next week. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE SHORES OF BOTANY BAY From: MMario Date: 25 Feb 99 - 04:32 PM That would probably be THIS version then?
Farewell to your bricks and mortar. Farewell to your dirty lies.
Well, I'm on my way down to the quay, where the ship at anchor lays,
Well, the boss came up this morning, and he said, "Well, now, Pat, you know,
And when I reach Australia, I'll go and search for gold. MMario |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: Treas (inactive) Date: 25 Feb 99 - 04:25 PM Hi Joe, Yes I did check the Digital Tradition Database and unfortunately, none of those are the correct lyrics. Here is part of what I do know... Farewell to your drinks and ____? Farewell to your diry lying Farewell to your _____ and gangplanks And to hell with your overtime The good ship Ragamuffin is lying on the quay *cant make out the next few lines at all To the shores of Botany Bay It goes on from there but the accent is so thick that I can't even guess at most of the words. Thanks for your help. |
Subject: RE: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Feb 99 - 02:16 PM Hi, Treas - there are at least three versions of this song in the Digital Tradition Database. Put [Botany Bay] in square brackets in the search box on this page, and take a look. If none of those are what you're looking for, post what you know here in this thread, and we'll try to help you with the rest. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Botany Bay as done by Makem & Clancy From: Treas (inactive) Date: 25 Feb 99 - 09:34 AM Have been trying to figure out the lyrics to Botany Bay as done by Maken & Clancy. I have the Album "The Makem & Clancy Concert" but have been unable to decipher the lyrics to this particular song. Could anyone help please? |
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