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Subject: Cuchullan's lament for his son From: GUEST,Heather w Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:05 AM Does anyone know anything about the folksong "Cuchullan's lament for his son" from the hebrides? I have been trying to find out the story.Seems like his mother has lead him to death in some way and his dad is a bit upset. |
Subject: RE: Cuchullan's lament for his son From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:53 AM I don't know the particular song you mention (tho' I can suggest a few sources you might try), but the story is, in outline, as you mention. It shares some features with other traditional tales, such as "Sohrab and Rustum" of which the nineteenth-century English writer, Matthew Arnold, made a long narrative version. Here goes: Cuchullain did not know he had a son; this boy, who was, I think, called Connla, had been brought up in a distant land, perhaps Scotland, by his mother, and educated in all the ways of the warrior. Cuchullain knew he MIGHT have a son, having spent a romantic afternoon with some princess or other after - I think - defeating her retainers in combat. Well, diplomacy was different and more direct in those days. He had said to the princess that should there come a male child of their encounter, let him be called Connla. When the lad was of an age to seek his fortune in the world, he set sail for Ireland; whether he had any intention of seeking out his father, or whether it was by the kind of misfortune typical of folk-tales that he found him, I know not (I'll check further this evening; doing this from memory at present). Anyway, whilst Cuchullain and some comrades were hunting near to the sea, they saw a lad sailing a boat towards shore, alone. They go to meet him, and, he being a stranger, they call to him to tell them his name, his race, whence he came, &c. He - being young and foolish - immediately challenges any of them, their greatest champion, to fight (well, this is ancient Ireland, land of heroes and quick-tempered bowsies). Cuchullain, laughing, accepts, confident that he will quickly overpower the youth. Things don't quite go like that, and soon enough Cuchullain finds himself with a real fight on his hands, and is near to being drowned in the surf. Enrages, he calls to the shore for one of his companions to throw him "The Gae Bolg". Now, at this point we require a footnote* Having read the footnote, you'll have guessed the end of the story of Connla, inevitable as the Greek Tragedies. The lad, mortally wounded and fallen in the bloody foam, gasped that his name was "Connla", and Cuchullain knew all in a flash. To conclude, he swore never to use the Gae Bolg again, since the first time of using it he had killed his dearest friend, and this time he had killed his only son. As I say, I don't know the particular song you mean, but this evening I'll check a few sources I have, and suggest a couple of others here: First, for Hebridean Songs, you might like to try Marjorie Kennedy-Fraser, "Songs of the Hebrides", tho' these are really nineteenth-century "art songs" based upon Highland melodies and a rather Victorian impression of what the Gaels and their songs were like. Rather more esoteric is the eighteenth-century work of James MacPherson; let no-one tell you the usual lie that his "Ossian" publications are forgeries from end to end. A more considerable scholar than those who reiterate this lie, Ruaridh MacTomas (D.S.Thomson) brought out a book some twenty years ago, "Gaelic Sources of MacPherson's Ossian", indicating the traditional tales from which MacPherson wove his own epic. Ossian, the Irish Oisin (Usheen), was the son of Fionn MacCumhaill (Finn McCool), a hero of a later date than Cuchullain. There were some songs taken from, or based upon, MacPherson's "Fragments of Ancient Poetry", his "Fingal" and his "Temora", and a couple of these appeared in the six volumes of "The Scots Musical Museum" (1787-1803, partly edited - and, indeed, partly written - by Burns). Continental composers were greatly taken by these tales, and perhaps the best known of all foreign versions is "Pourquoi me reveiller" from Massenet's opera "Werther"; Goethe's hero had a taste for Ossian, you see! Finally, in the 1890s W.B. Yeats wrote a few verses full of "embroideries from the old myhologies", among these being "The Wanderings of Oisin" and "The Death of Cuchullin". Among his literary circle was Lady Gregory of Coole Park, and she had written "Cuchullin of Muirthuimne" (or similar spelling), which I haven't ever read, but you might find this a worthwhile "link". Finally (2), look at "Emer's Farewell" in the Mudcat directory here, for yet another nineteenth-century Romantic interpretation of Celtic myth. Now, I must mount my chariot and avoid the ridge of war. mise le meas, An Buachaill Caol Dubh. * Here we go! The Gae Bolg, the "Belly Spear", was a contemporary Weapon of Massive Destruction, which filled the victim's body with barbs and was invariably fatal. There was no defence. Some time before our main story, when Cuchullain (The Ulster hero) had fought Ferdia, the champion of Connaught, Ferdia bound a great flat stone across his torso because he knew C. might use the Gae Bolg. He knew this because he was - in the way of these tales - a childhood friend of C. The stone was of no avail; it shattered and F. died in C's arms. Now, back to Connla. |
Subject: RE: Cuchullan's lament for his son From: Sorcha Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:51 PM Yes, Conlai was raised on Alba, by the Warrior Queen there...Aoife. She put a Curse on Cu/Conlai, that he would kill his son for leaving her. |
Subject: RE: Cuchullan's lament for his son From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:33 PM Fair enough! But Aoife; was she the boy's mother (or another of Cuchulainn's abandoned conquests?) Incidentally, I think that Conlai when sailing his boat to shore was amusing himself by hurling stones from a sling at seagulls, and catching/reviving them as they fell? |
Subject: RE: Cuchullan's lament for his son From: Jim Dixon Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:09 PM Apparently there has never been a thread about this song before. Since we've now started one, we might as well make it the repository for all sorts of information about it. Here is the entry from folktrax.org:
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: Sorcha Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:59 PM And, anotner of Cu's geas was that neither he nor his line could kill birds. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 02 Aug 06 - 11:28 AM Nor eat the flesh of a dog! For "GUEST Heather"; I couldn't find anything on the song in what few books I own, tho' there is a (prose) version of "The Death of Cuthullin" in MacPherson's Ossian. As you'll have seen already from Jim Dixon's note, the song you want does indeed appear in Kennedy-Fraser. It shouldn't be difficult to get hold of those Volumes in any major [Reference] Library, depending where you're located. Buachaill |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: Sorcha Date: 02 Aug 06 - 11:37 AM Well, good grief, eat his namesake??? Of course not! :) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 03 Aug 06 - 01:33 PM Yes, quite right; we'll let them work that one out for themselves, eh? Must assume that diets were more varied in Eireann in "the days of old", I guess. Setanta wouldn't have thought much of the Orient. An Buachaill Caol Dubh agus Madrin Ruadh. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Jul 20 - 06:33 PM Does this belong in this thread? Thread #37933 Message #2648054 Posted By: MartinRyan 04-Jun-09 - 07:28 AM Thread Name: Sporting hero songs? Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs?
Here's the words for Cuchulainn's Son : |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 07 Jul 20 - 05:07 AM Not really! Cuchulainn, the mythological figure, was reputedly a skilful hurler (as in the ancient Irish stick/ball game) - hence the reference to the modern sportsman Nicky Rackard as being his "son". A fine song, particularly in its place of origin. Regards |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cuchullan's Lament for His Son From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Jul 20 - 05:35 AM No lyrics, but fine playing by Davy Spillane here. |
Subject: Lyr Add: CUCHULLAN'S LAMENT FOR HIS SON (Hebrides) From: Jim Dixon Date: 10 Jul 20 - 12:48 PM I think this is what was wanted in the original request: From Songs of the Hebrides, Volume 2 by Marjory Kennedy-Fraser, Kenneth MacLeod (London: Boosey & Co., 1917), page 24, which has a musical score for piano and one voice. CUCHULLAN'S LAMENT FOR HIS SON Cuchulann 's a Mhac. Air and words from Duncan Maclellan, Eigg. Collected and translated by KENNETH MACLEOD. Arranged by MARJORY KENNEDY-FRASER. ENGLISH: Woe is me! My son a-keening! Loud o'er the moor my wail-cry, Clanging thy shield and flame-keen sword, Who lieth asleep in death cold. Malisons be on thee, 'Aife, Weaving thy pell o' hating Thou didst wile him to his doom, A-seeking Cuchullan of great feats Woe is me! My son a-keening! Lord o'er the moor my wail-cry Cuchullan has slain Cuchullllan's son, now lying asleep in death cold.
GAELIC: Och nan och is och eire! |
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