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Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky

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Azizi 06 May 09 - 07:30 PM
GUEST,brooklyn 06 May 09 - 05:27 PM
Azizi 29 Apr 09 - 07:43 AM
GUEST,345 28 Apr 09 - 04:47 PM
GUEST 20 Apr 09 - 07:20 PM
GUEST 16 Apr 09 - 10:35 AM
Jim Dixon 11 Apr 09 - 05:39 PM
Azizi 11 Apr 09 - 05:21 PM
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Azizi 08 Apr 09 - 06:09 PM
GUEST,Jenny 08 Apr 09 - 05:55 PM
Azizi 07 Apr 09 - 09:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:30 PM

GUEST,brooklyn, thanks for sharing your version of this rhyme with us.

-Ms. Azizi


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Subject: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,brooklyn
Date: 06 May 09 - 05:27 PM

down by the river where he hanky panky where the bull-frog jump from bank to bank sing aeiouing now we are tlaking micheal jackson coke-cola shot him down doctor peper shop him up now we are talking 7 up!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 07:43 AM

Jim Dixon, thanks for that interesting information about an early source for "Pudding and tame".   I took the liberty of reposting it on this Mudcat thread:
Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings as I think that people who might read that thread might be interested in reading that information too.

**

Hello to Guest 6 Apr 09 - 10:35 AM, Guest 20 Apr 09 - 07:20 PM and GUEST,345!
Thanks for sharing the versions of this rhyme that you know.

Guest 345, I'm particularly interested in your version because I've not read or heard that part about "7 up a double these now im talkin beligue 7up a double threes i said i do i didnt didnt dong didnt do i said i do i didnt didnt dong didnt do 1,2,3 base on me"

-snip-

I'd really appreciate it if you could post some demographical information such as where you learned this (city, state if in the USA, city/country if outside of the USA), when (year, decade such as the late 1990s), who (gender/s, ages, and race/ethnicity of those who performed this rhyme) and category (for instance, is this a circle/group hand clap rhyme or is it a partner-two people hand clap rhyme?)

Also I'd appreciate it if you would tell us what "1,2,3 base on me" means.

Thanks!

Ms. Azizi

PS: To all guests who post on this thread (and any other Mudcat thread), membership is free and easy to do. Just click on that membership feature near the top right hand corner of this page and follow the steps that show up on that page. One benefit of membership is that you can keep track of all of your postings on this forum (Guest 3,4,5-I think I recently read another post of yours but I can't remember what thread it was in. Thanks for that one too!) Another benefit of Mudcat membership is that you can exchange private electronic messages with other members. That's what that PM in the comment headings mean.

I hope you all decide to join Mudcat!

Best wishes,

Azizi


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Subject: down by the riverside
From: GUEST,345
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 04:47 PM

this is how it go:down by the riverside siad a hanky panky said bull frog jump frog yo mama stanky said a A-E-I-O-U BAM BOO micheal jackson went to town coke cola shot him down 7 up a doulbe these now im talkin beligue 7up a double threes i said i do i didnt didnt dong didnt do i said i do i didnt didnt dong didnt do 1,2,3 base on me


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 07:20 PM

Short Version:
Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
Where the eeps, ops, sodapops
Hey Mr. Willie and he went ker-plops

Long Version:
Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
Where the eeps, ops, sodapops
Hey Mr. Willie and he went ker-plops
With a cherry on top
Here come the animals two-by-two
Hippopotamous and Kangaroo
Kaboo Kaboo
Hippopotamous and Kangaroo


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:35 AM

West london , i was thinking of this song for some odd reason from when i was like 7 (17 now) and i remember it going.

Down by the river near hanky panky where the two fat frogs sit bank to banky with a oooh ah oooh ah pick a number right now.


game of some sort?

Also heard a rude one before:

Down near the river near the bank banky where the two fat frogs have hanky panky...somthing like that o.0


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 05:39 PM

The quote from McDougal reminds me of a parallel smart-alecky reply:
    "What's your name?" – "Puddentain. [However you spell it.] Ask me again, I'll tell you the same."
I learned that from a "Little Rascals/Our Gang" comedy that was shown on TV when I was a kid in the 1950s. (Who said it? Stymie?)

– but it goes back at least to –

From The Beulah Spa (a play) by Charles Dance (London: John Miller, 1833):
    MAG. ... What is her name?

    HEC. Pudding and tame—if you ask me again I shall tell you the same.
(Sorry for the thread creep.)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 05:21 PM

Jim Dixon, those are great finds!

I'm not sure if I reposted this example on this thread or not.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Way Down Yonder on Beaver Creek
From: GUEST,Sharon oehler - PM
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:52 PM

Way down yonder in the Piankatank
A bullfrog jumped from bank to bank
He skinned his leg from shank to shank
Way down yonder in the Piankatank

The Piankatank is a river in Virginia that runs to the Cheasepeake Bay
Song a legend in those parts

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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 05:07 PM

From The Long Roll (a novel) by Mary Johnston, with illustrations by N. C. Wyeth (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1911):
    Being largely Valley of Virginia Virginians, Louisianians, Georgians, Texans, and North Carolinians, the army had acquaintance slight or none with the country through which it was passing. Gordonsville left behind, unfamiliarity began. "What's this county? What's that place over there? What's that river? Can't be the Potomac, can it? Naw, 'taint wide enough!"—"Gentlemen, I think it is the Rappahannock."—"Go away! it is the headwaters of the York."—"Rapidan maybe, or Rivanna."—"Probably Pamunkey, or the Piankatank,

      Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank."
From Recollections, 1844-1909 (autobiography) by Henry Clay McDougal (Kansas City, Mo.: Franklin Hudson Publishing Co., 1911)
    She was born and reared down in the tide-water country of Virginia, and in that part of the footstool, away back in Colonial days, when the planter did not wish to disclose his exact location, or the human interrogation point propounded the inquisitive question, he had the answer: "From Pianketank (sic), where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank."
From Wikipedia:
    The Piankatank River is a river in the United States state of Virginia. Located on the Middle Peninsula, between the Rappahannock and York Rivers, it was the site of numerous actions during the American Civil War.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 06:09 PM

Wow! "Michael Jordan went to town"-that's the first time I read that version.

Thanks for sharing that GUEST,Jenny.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Jenny
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 05:55 PM

Here is the one
I know:

Down by the banks of the hanky Panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
with an a e i o u
Michael jordan went to town
coca cola shot him down
Mountain dew shot him up
now were talkin 7 up
7 up has no cafene
now were talkin billie jean
billie jean went down the street singin
doo a dilly dilly dum dilly do
singin do a dilly dily dum dilly do


That is the version that I know...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:40 AM

GUEST 07 Apr 09 - 01:08 AM , thanks for sharing that example here. I really appreciate your comments as they add another perspective about the "pledge allegiance rhyme that hadn't occcurred to me.

Guest, I am going to take the liberty of reposting your comment on this Mudcat thread Homophobia In Playground Rhymes as I believe it adds to the consideration of that topic.

Thanks again, and also I appreciate your inclusion of demographical information.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 01:08 AM

The version that I learned as a child (Arizona in the 1980s) were:

Down by banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrog jumps from bank to banky
With a hip, hip, hip, hop
He jumps from a lilypad --
KERPLOP

This was sung, so it was likely taught to us by adults at summer camp.

My friends and I also had variants of the other rhymes, but they were separate:

Coca-cola went to town
Pepsi Cola shot him down
Doctor Pepper fixed him up
And now we're drinking Seven-up
(sung to the tune of Yankee Doodle)

and the rhyme in question:
I pledge allegiance to the flag, Michael Jackson is a fag.

That was 1985 give or take a year. The version I knew from childhood did not include the line about little toys or little boys. I believe this predates the sex scandals. Rather, the faggotry in question was his wearing a white glove, prancing on stage, and grabbing his crotch. I distinctly recall that none of my friends knew what a fag was, but Michal Jackson grabbing his crotch was a sources of considerable discussion.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 12:05 PM

Thanks, hiroko for sharing your school's version. If you check back here, it would be great if you could add the city/state your school is in and when (year or decade) you said this rhyme and if it was a hand clap rhyme or not.

I'm asking people to include that information because I'm trying to see if there are similarities or differences that could be documented with how this rhyme is said and performed in different parts of the USA or elsewhere and whether there are differences between the rhymes at different times.

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,hiroko
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:29 AM

at my school it goes like this. (some lyrics are missing, though)

Down by the river of the hanky panky
where bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
say a,e,i,o,u
old lady said "ding dong"
Yo mama smell like king kong
michael jackson came to town
coca cola brought him down (note: him is michael jackson)
coca cola brought him up
now we're talkin' seven up
seven up has no caffiene
now we're talking billie jean
billie jean (is) insane at night
now we're talkin' dynamite
dynamite blew up the school
now we're talkin' really cool

and that's all I know. :)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 01:20 PM

GUEST Graywolf, thanks for sharing your version of this rhyme.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Graywolf
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 01:14 PM

When i was a child it was


down by the banks of the hanky banky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
singin eeps, ipes, ops, oopsopop and a soda pop!
pepsi cola gingerale, gingerale, gingerale, gingerale, gingerale,
pepsi cola gingerale, 7up! 7up! 7up! your OUT!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Mar 09 - 12:19 PM

GUEST,Momo, thanks for sharing the version of this rhyme that you know.

As to your comment asking if your version is "correct" or "right", let me say this:

We may think that a rhyme has the wrong words because those words are different from the way we learned it. We may think that the way other people do (play) that rhyme is different because it's not the same way we learned it. But when it comes to playground rhymes, there is no right version or wrong version.

When it comes to children's playground rhymes, people can talk about whether they correctly remember the version that they heard or saw or read. And people can talk about whether a version of a rhyme is like or is different from the earliest version of that rhyme that was collected and written down or recorded.

And although people can say that the way they learned that playground rhyme is the only right way to say it, hopefully the more people read so many different versions of one rhyme on the Internet and elsewhere, they'll realize that playground rhymes don't have anything to do with right and wrong words.

Best wishes,

Ms. Azizi


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Momo
Date: 30 Mar 09 - 11:36 PM

I dont think those are correct. My friend says:


Down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky
And the eeps opps soda pops!
And frog had a baby
KER-PLOP!


Is that right?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 02:04 AM

Guest, Uly, thanks for sharing your memory of that song.

That version is a variant form of the song "Way down yonder on the Yankety-Yank" that is found in the Pete Seegar story The Foolish Frog

See these two comments from this Mudcat thread Way Down Yonder on Beaver Creek

Subject: RE: Way Down Yonder on Beaver Creek
From: GUEST,Ellen - PM
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 11:14 AM

"The Foolish Frog" was told to Pete Seeger by his father, according to PETE SEEGER'S STORYTELLING BOOK by Pete Seeger and Paul Dubois Jacobs, Harcourt, Inc. copyright 2000. I'm looking for the tune.
Shalom,
Ellen

-snip-

and

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Way Down Yonder on Beaver Creek
From: GUEST,Sharon oehler - PM
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:52 PM

Way down yonder in the Piankatank
A bullfrog jumped from bank to bank
He skinned his leg from shank to shank
Way down yonder in the Piankatank

The Piankatank is a river in Virginia that runs to the Cheasepeake Bay
Song a legend in those parts

-snip-

These comments suggest that the "Hanky Panky" rhymes are a part of the very very old family of songs which include the still widely known "Frog Went A Courtin'" song and the song (or a chorus of Frog Went A Courtin') "Keemo Kimo".

Thanks again, Guest Uly, for reminding me to post that information in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Uly
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 09:38 PM

The first I ever heard this rhyme - and I've seen a number of versions in a very short time since! - was in a Mother Goose book I got for my nieces, where it runs

Way down yonder on the the Piankitank
Where the bullfrog leaps from bank to bank
And skins his knee from shank to shank
Way down yonder on the Piankitank

It's so different from the other versions I've seen, but I'm sure it's related! The book was first published in... oh, I think the 40s or 50s.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:36 PM

Thanks for sharing your version, Guest, Samantha!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,samantha
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:01 PM

Down by the bank of a hankey pankey where the bullfrog jumps from bak to bakey i said a eats side west side east a west side east a west side dily ding dong why u hit my hand so hard tell me wat i did so worng east side west side east a west side east a west side diley ding dong


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,raven
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 04:02 PM

we sing



down in the valley of Hhe Pankey Pankey
oops i said your booty stankey,oots iets,skit skat,big fat dirty rat
i plege alligance to the flag, micael jackson is a fag. pepsi cola blew it up, now its time for seven up,seven up saw somthin cooler,now were dringing mountain dew, mountain dew ate a shew and got the flu, now we are living with dew dew in our system.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,:) LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa
Date: 06 Mar 09 - 02:11 PM

Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky. Eeps oops orbs skittle diddle kur plops.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 I pledge alliegence (Sp.) to the flag, Michael Jackson makes me gag.

Pepsi Cola blew up now were drinkin seven up. Seven up caught the flu now were drinkin Mountin Dew. Mountain Dew fell of the mountain now were drinkin from a fountain. Fountain broke now were drinkin plain old DIET COKE!

--

That's the one I've always known. We sing it in New York.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 11:09 PM

Thank you to all members and guests who have posted examples of this rhyme on this thread. I think that all of these examples are cool. (with the exceptions of the ones that I think were posted by spammers, and with the exception of the homophobic references that I really don't like).

As a matter of fact, I think that these rhymes are so cool that I've been spending a good deal of time lately editing a book on "Hanky Panky" rhymes for this thread and from other sources.

In addition to a lot of examples of this rhyme, this book will include a glossary of terms (slang and otherwise) that are found in these rhymes and other contemporary Rnglish language playground rhymes.

This book will also include "brief" editorial comments about these Hanky Panky rhymes-their structurally patterns, the floating verses that are found in many of these rhymes, the possible sources for some of the verses and phrases in these rhymes, as well as the significance of chidren's rhymes immortalizing an actual occurance and -consciously or unconsciously providing commentary about a public figure (all of these things that people who really "do" these rhymes may not be at all interested in, but which I am, and hopefully others are quite interested in).

When this book is published, I'll announce it in this thread.

Thanks again!

Azizi Powell


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,SOUR Skittles #1
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 09:59 PM

i learned this at my friends birthday party
it was sooo fun!!
down by the bank of the hanky pank where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank sayin
fe
fi
fo
foam
mi sa mi sa ding dang dong
i pledge alligance 2 the flag that micheal jackson is my dad pepsi cola burnt him up now were talking 7 up
7 up has no caffine now were talkin billy jean
billy jean went out of sight now were talkin dynomite
dynomite blew up the school now were talkin really cool
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 mickey mouse built a house donald duck messed it up who will pay the consequinces Y-O-U spells you!!

cool huh??


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,ruby01
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 09:03 PM

theres another one that goes like this that i learned in SEA CAMP!



down by the bank of
the hanky panky were
the bullfrogs jump
from bank to banky
singing eeps, oops
soda pops jonny broke
the bottle and it went
Ker-polp!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Becca
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 05:22 AM

I live in Melbourne Australia, and during the 90's I was also taught this version:

Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
With an A, E, I, O, U (you), R (are), out!

It was a two person clap, that was quite complex with up, down hand motions and hand slapping, it also finished with hitting the other person on the head or chest, depending on how much you liked that other person, of course.

Until I read this post I had never heard of it done in a circle, it was also a school yard thing, never a taught/practiced in class experience.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Tre'
Date: 10 Feb 09 - 08:46 PM

In St Louis this was our version when I was growing up


Down by the river to the hanky pank
No bulldog jumps from bank to bank
Old lady said ding dong
Your mama smell like king kong
Your daddy smell like donkey kong
Eastside
Westide
Ding
Dang
Dong


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Jan 09 - 05:25 PM

Hello, GUEST,this is what my little sister told me it was.

Congratulations for posting the first example of this rhyme for 2009!

Your little sister's example combines the Down by the Banks {Riverside}/Hanky Panky rhyme with lines from "Johnny Got A Whipping/Ha Ha Ha" rhyme and lines from "Miss Mary Mack".

That's an interesting combination.

Best wishes,

Ms. Azizi


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,this is what my little sister told me it was
Date: 10 Jan 09 - 05:17 PM

down by the riverside and hanky pankey where the bull frogs jump from bank to back singing A E I O U bam boo.. johney drop a bottle and it landed on you so ma told pa pa told ma johney got a wippen so ha ha ha he jumped so high he toughed the sky and didnt come back till the forth of july


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 10:42 AM

In re-reading this thread, I see that Guest 12/15/2007 10:30 PM
posted an example of "Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky" that includes the "see the house on the hill" line.

Maybe including these lines in "Down By The Banks..." is more common than I thought.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 09:37 AM

Thanks GUEST,Stephanie,
GUEST 17 Dec 08 - 07:45 PM and GUEST,Curtis for sharing the versions of Down By The Banks of The Hanky Panky that you remember.

Curtis, thanks for adding demographical information, particularly the fact that you learned your version from a person who had just moved to California from Missouri. I think that fact that people travel and relocate so often in the USA {and in other countries} is one reason why certain children's rhymes are known so many places.

I'm particularly interested in seeing these lines included in a version of "Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky":

"See that house over the hill
That's where me and Garfield chill
Smell that chicken smell that rice
[then there's a line about shooting dice]"

-snip-

That verse sounds a lot like this verse that is sometimes given in some versions of the handclap or jump rope rhyme "Not Last Night But The Night Before {or Last Night, The Night Before} and "I Love {Like} Coffee. I Love {Like} Tea" rhymes. Those rhymes are sometimes called "Shimmy Shimmy Co Co Pa" and "Down Down Baby" or are related to those rhymes. Here's an example of that "see that house etc." line from a "Last Night. The Night Before" children's rhyme:

Last Night The Night Before {Version #2}
"Here is a song we used to do on the playground in Birmingham, AL back in the 80s: Last night and the night before I met my boyfriend at the candy store He brought me ice cream he brought me cake he brought me home with a stomachache mama mama i feel sick call the doctor quick quick quick doctor doctor will i die close you eyes and count to five i said a one, a two, a three, a four, a five I'm alive [Optional part] we would do sometimes (a little risque for little girls): see that house on top of that hill that's where me and my baby gon' live we gon' cook some cornbread cook some meat come on baby let's go to bed and do the boom boom boom.*
-Joi; 3/23/2008;http://www.cocojams.com/handclap_rhymes.htm


* italics added by me for emphasis

Also, see "I Like Coffee, I like Tea" {version #3} on that same Cocojams page

**

From 1997 to 2005 I worked with African American girls and boys {ages 5-12 years old} in after-school and summer games song/children's rhyme groups that I developed. These groups presented performances of children's game songs and rhymes., One portion of the sessions was a "Share Time" when some of the children would take turns "doing" an example of a rhyme {they called them "songs" or "cheers"}that they knew. Needless to say, these share times provided me with great opportunities to document rhymes that were known to those children, and to collect rhymes or versions of rhymes that I didn't know before. During these share times, one or two children at a time would volunteer to stand in front of the group and perform a rhyme example for the group. Usually, the other children would usually enthusiastically join in and sing that rhyme. But the other children weren't permitted to "do" {perform the rhyme} that was being presented. A number of times, girls would recite the "I Love Coffee I Love Tea" rhyme {which they referred to as "Down Down Baby". It seems that just about all the girls & boys in attendance knew the words to "Down Down Baby". But only on two occassions did a child add the "see the house up on the hill" lines to that rhyme. Both times-in very separate Pittsburgh neighborhoods-the girls who recited that verse happened to be five years old. Both of the girls told me that they learned those lines from their mothers. But on those two occassions, the rest of the children who had enthusiastically sung the other verses to that rhyme were silent when the "see the house up on the hill" lines were recited. Also, upon hearing those lines, some children who got the implications giggled. And some children declared that those lines didn't "belong" in that rhyme. Of course, I gently corrected that misconception.

**

Incidentally, Curtis, the "Garfield" that is mentioned in your version of that rhyme is probably the cartoon cat.

All this to say, thanks again for sharing!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Curtis
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:52 PM

I'm not really sure how it goes; I was actually looking for the words myself. I heard some classmates (I'm in 8th grade) singing it a few days ago and I haven't seen their version up here yet. They played it by sitting down in a circle, palms facing upwards, and slapping each others hands. When it got to the last word the last person to get hit would be out.
As for where this version "comes from", I'm in Missouri but the girl that was singing just moved from California.
Alright, well I'll give it my best to get it right:

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrog jumps from banky banky
Singing eeps ipes opes opps
[a line that ends in kerplop]
See that house over the hill
That's where me and Garfield chill
Smell that chicken smell that rice
[then there's a line about shooting dice]
[And it ends in something that counts down from 10-1]

If anyone knows the correct words to that particular one, please tell me!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 07:45 PM

we still do that song as a game in 8th grade right now only it goes

Down by the banks with the hanky pank
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
singing e i o u
your mama stinks and so do you
king kong
donkey kon
(i'm missing a lyric there)
I pledge allegiance to the flag
michael jackson is a fag
coca cola 7-up now we're eating coco puffs
(missing lyric)
now we're drinking 7-up
7-up has no caffeine
now we're drinking gas-o-line


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Stephanie
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 09:52 PM

You stand or sit in a circle with a few people and have your right hand on top of the person next to you's left hand and the opposite for the left hand. Then you all sing the song and one at a time clap your hand on the person to your left's hand. Then they will pass it on to the next and so on. Then when you get to the vowel part, you continue the same thing until someone claps the other person on the word OUT. If the person pulls away before they are clapped, they stay in the game but if the other person is too quick for them and claps them, they are out of the game. The game continues like that.

Well the version I know goes:

Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
With an A, E, I, O, U (you), R (are), out!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 04:46 PM

Thanks, GUEST,CutiefromGA, GUEST,Kasey and GUEST,cheergirl for adding examples to this collection of Down By The Banks of The Hanky Panky rhymes.

When I started this discussion, I had No idea how widely known this handclap game is, and how many versions of it children, teens, and adults play. Actually, I learned about this rhyme because I received a version from it by way of email. I've never seen this game played and I've never heard it sung {in person}.

I guess this is my loss.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,cheergirl
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 11:28 AM

down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bull forgs jump from bank to banky
singin' eeps ipes opes oops
chilly willy ding dong
i pledge allegiance to the flag
michael jackson makes me gag
coca cola bunrned his butt
now were talkin 7-Up
7-Up has no caffeine
now were talkin gasoline
gasoline is outta sight
now were talkin dynamite
10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 BOOM


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Kasey
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 10:32 PM

My students play the hand slapping game using these words.

Down by the banks of the hanky panky,
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
singing east side, west side
ker-plop.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,CutiefromGA
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 10:10 PM

How come nobody remembers the yanky doodle rhyme at the end? I was born in '84 and grew up in the early nineties and in Atlanta we did it like this:
Down by the river of the hanky panky
where the bullforogs jump from bank to bank
singing eep, ipe, oop, opps
Chillie willy ding dong
Play a game of ping pong
I pledge alligence to the flag
Michael Jackson is a fad (we didn't even know what fag meant growing up let alone say it)
Coca-cola burned him up
Now He's drinking 7-up
7-up has no caffine
now we're singin' "Billie Jean"
"Billie Jean" is out of style
Now we're singing Bobbie Brown
Bobbie Brown is not a song... I forgot what came next as everything goes hazy from here
but then it went into this:
Michael Jackson went to town, riding on a pony
stuck a feather in his hat and called it macoroni
Girl Scout, Girl Scout,
Do your duty,
Don't forget to wash your booty (or tooti if we were naughty... tooti was our slang for vagina)
Boy Scout Boy Scout
Do your trick
don't forget to wash your...

Oh and we didn't jump rope to this, we did the circle hand clap like a few other people said.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 08:38 PM

Sorry about that hyperlink. Let me try to post it again, with a small bit of editorial tweaking:

However, the phrase "Hip hop don't stop" has been used in a lot of rap music related products if not as part of the lyrics of actual rap songs. See, for example, the use of that phrase in the title of this
compilation CD of old school {early} rap hit songs.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 08:33 PM

GUEST,xfortheflies, thanks for sharing your version of this rhyme.

Sometimes words, phrases, or references that are found in versions of children's rhymes or other songs are useful in helpimg to guesstimate a date for that version. I think that's the case with the inclusion of the phrase "hip hop don't stop" in your version of Down by the banks of the hanky panky".

I believe that the phrase "hip hop [you] don't stop" comes from the 1979 hit rap song "Rappers Delight" which was recorded by the Sugarhill Gang. This was the first rap {hip hop} single. The actual words in the chorus of that song are "let's rock don't stop". However, the phrase "Hip hop don't stop" has been used in a lot of products if not songs. See for example the use of that phrase in the title of a href="http://www.discogs.com/release/187654">this compilation CD of old school {early} rap hit songs. Needless to say, "Rappers Delight" is one of the songs on that CD.

Given the inclusion of the phrase "hip hop don't stop" in this version of "Down by the banks of the hanky panky", I think it's reasonable to assume that this version of that children's rhyme
didn't exist before that phrase became popular, meaning after that song became a hit in 1979.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,xfortheflies
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 07:42 PM

well, the way i learned it it went like this:

down by the river of the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
singing hip hop dont stop
listen to the water drop
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

and then at ten one person trys to slap the other's hands.

i dont know how it goes in other places, but thats the way we say it in New England :)
hope it helped !


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Nov 08 - 09:00 AM

Hello hanky panky expert. Thanks for sharing the version of this rhyme that you know. I've never 'heard' that "hip hop lollie pop" line before in this rhyme, but it certainly fits because it...um ... rhymes. :o)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,hanky panky expert
Date: 09 Nov 08 - 12:54 AM

it is

down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky with a hip hop lollie pop and an O U T spells out!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 02:23 PM

Thanks for sharing those examples, GUEST 31 Oct 08 - 06:24 PM and GUEST 02 Nov 08 - 02:15 PM.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 02:15 PM

DOWN BY THE RIVER

Down by the river of the hanky pank
where the bullforogs jump from bank to bank
singing eep, ipe, oop, opps chillie willy ding dong
lets play a game of ping pong pong
I pledge alliegence to the flag that Michal Jackson makes me gag coca cola busted up now where talking 7-up
7-up has no caffine now we're talkin Billy Jean
Billy Jean is out of sight now we're talking dynomite

MS Susie 1
Ms susie had a steam boat the steam boat had a bell (ding ding)
ms susie went to heaven the steam boat went to
hello operator please give me number 9
and if you disconnect me I'll chop off your
behind the fridgerator there eas a piece of glass
ms susie sat upon it and broke her little
ask me no more questions
please tell me no more lies
the boys are in the bathroom zipping up there
flies are in the meadow the bees are in the park
ms susie and her boyfriend are kissing in the
D-A-R-K D-A-R-K dark dark dark
the dark is like a movie
the movies like a show the show is like a t.v show
and that is all i know
i know my ma
i know i know my pa
i know i know my sister with the 48 year bra
she dyed her hair in purple
she dyed her hair in pink
she dyed her hair in underwear and flushed it down the sink

Ms Susie 2

Ms susie had a baby
she named him tiny tim
she put him in the bath tub
to see if he could swim
he drank up all the water
he ate up al the soap
he tried to eat the bath tub
but it wouldn't go down his throat
ms susie called a doctor
ms susie called a nurse
ms susied called a lady with the alligator purse
in came the doctor
in came the nurse
in came the lady with the alligator purse
"mumps" said the doctor
"measles" said the nurse
"nothing" said the lady with the alligator purse
ms susie punched the doctor
ms susie kicked the nurse
ms susie fired the lady with the alligator purse
out went the doctor
out went the nurse
out went the lady with the alligator purse


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:24 PM

Can't remember it fully but it went something like this (99'ish)
Down by the river goes hanky panky
Two fat frogs and a bottle of whiskey
Zoom-Za, Zoom-Za


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 08:38 PM

Here's an example of "Down ByThe Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that I hadn't seen or heard before. This example combines the rhyme "Fouble Double This" and the rhyme "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky":


double double this this double double that that double this double that double double this that! single single this this... ect. -down by the bay with the hanky panky where the bull frog frog jumps from bank to bank he says hip hop dilli-op-she-bop, last one outs a bullfrog let me hear ya say 1, 2, 3... - Tue Dec 28 2004

http://www.homeschool.co.uk/resource/jump-rope/jump-rope-rhymes.html
Christian Home Education- Jump Rope Rhymes

-snip-

Unfortunately, no information is given on that page as to who chanted this rhyme or where {city, state or province & country}.


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