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Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky

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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 06:54 PM

When I started this thread I had no idea that there were this many different versions of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky".

I'm enjoying reading these versions and noting the similarities & differences between each rhyme's words and the ways each rhyme is performed.

Keep the examples comin!

And thanks for proving that kids are still creative!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Kristen
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 06:18 PM

Down by the river on a hankey pankey
Where the bullfrogs jump form bank to bank
Singing E I O U
Mommas got an eye on you
King Kong Donkey Kong Went to school with nothin on
Asked the teach what to wear.
Polka dotted underwear
Not to big not to small just the size of Broward Mall
Turn around and touch the ground
Lets show them how we do it now.
1!2!3! STOP!
____________________________________
Thats how we do it down here in florida.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Suzanne
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 10:53 PM

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrog hops from bank to banky
hip, hop, soda pop
Froggy missed a lily and he went kerplop!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 08:38 AM

Hello, Guest inkblog!

Thanks for sharing that example and thanks for remembering to include where and when you learned it.

You {and other guests} may be interested to know that Mudcat has a number of other threads on children's rhymes.

One such thread is thread.cfm?threadid=2795 Heigh Ho, Heigh Ho, I Bit the Teacher's Toe!

When you click on the hyperlink to that thread, you will find a listing of some other Mudcat threads on children's rhymes.

Also, I hope that you consider joining Mudcat. If you are interested, click on the word Membership up at the top of this page, near the right hand corner & follow those easy steps.

Best wishes!

Azizi


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,inkblob
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:12 AM

this is how I remember the song from the early 80's in the interior of BC, Canada:

down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with the eep ipes opes op
hey sock it to me with a
ker-plop

and there would be a sort of patty-cake fast clapping alternating with a partner to go along with it. this is a real great thread, and I'm encouraged to add some verses to the version I grew up with. so very neat to see so many variations, I had no idea!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:34 PM

That used to be one of my favorite games in Kindergarten.

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky
with an eeps oops ips ops
He missed a lilly pad and went kerplops

I always thought the song sounded kinda jazzy

We sat in a circle and sang the song. My hand would be under somebody's on one side and resting on the other persons. One person would start by claping their right hand into the person to their left's hand which was resting in the clapping person's left hand. Then that person would repeat the motion, and so it would go around in a circle. If you had your hand clapped on Kerplops, then you were out. And we'd start the song again.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Rina
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 05:47 AM

The one I played was:

Down by the banks with the hanky-panky
Where the bullfrog jumps from bank to banky
With a hip, hop, rattle and a pop,
With a hip, hop, rattle and a pop,
A, E, I, O, U are out!

We did the palm-slapping in a circle thing, and if you were the one hit on the word 'out' you went out. Of course, if you could dodge it, the person who was supposed to hit you goes out.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,The only version!
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 01:52 AM

down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky with a hip hop soda pop hey mr willy annie went ker-plop!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:32 PM

Thanks, GUEST,anonymous for sharing that example!

**

Poor Michael Jackson, how far he has fallen from his superstar status.

It will be interesting to see if eventually this reference to Michael Jackson changes to another person or group of people.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,anonymous
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:16 PM

Growing up in Maryland, I learned it this way:

Down by the banks with the hanky-panky
Where the bullfrog jumps from bank to banky
Saying eeps, ipes, opes, oops
Listen to the doorbell ring
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Michael Jackson sucks so bad
Pepsi-Cola burned his butt
Now he's drinking 7-Up
7-Up is bad for you
Now he's drinking Mountain Dew
Mountain Dew has no caffeine
Now he's drinking gasoline
Gasoline is made for cars
That's why he is so bizzare
Down by the banks with the hanky-panky
Where the bullfrog jumps from bank to banky
Saying eeps, ipes, opes, oops
Listen to the Keeerplop!

We sat or stood in a circle with each person's right hand palm-up on the next person's left hand, and each right hand would slap the next right hand. You were out if your hand was hit on "plop", and you could avoid this by pulling your hand out.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:05 PM

Thanks, GUEST 09 Aug 07 - 11:53 PM for sharing that version of Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky.

I hope you decide to chose an Internet name and continue sharing rhymes and talking about other things on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 11:53 PM

Down by the banks of the hanky panky,
where the bullfrogs jumped from bank to bank
say ep op ep op op,
skiddle diddle cernal pop,
say 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
pepsi cola turnd him up
now were drinkin 7 up
7 up has no cafeene
now were drinken gasolen
gasolen ran out of fule
now were drinkend moutain dew
moutain dew fell off the moutain
now were drinking from a foutain
foutain broke
now were drinken diet coke.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,sarah jane
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 05:25 PM

I'm fascinated to find all of this. I wanted to teach my 2 year old daughter the words to this game. I learned it in kindergarten in Walla Walla, WA during the '79-'80 school year. I could only remember these words:

Down by the banks of the hanky panky,
where the bullfrogs jumped from bank to banky,
...[don't remember]...
with an eeps oops ops
and a
Ker-plop!

    Ours didn't have any lyrics more suggestive than "hanky panky", nor any specific cultural references that would date it. (I think Michael Jackson was probably still with the Jackson 5 at that time.) I'm only missing one or two lines in the rhyme, it was definitely a shorter version.
    So far noone's version quite matches up with mine, at least as I think I remember it. Nor do I recognize the endings of any of the others. If anyone seems to know 'my' version, I'd love to know the rest of the words. (I've created a new email account just for this sort of thing: figgyfrog@gmail.com) Otherwise, I guess I'll just make it up! When I come up with my 'new' version (based on those in this thread most likely), I'll add it.

    We played a circle handclap elimination game, with our palms facing IN towards the center of the circle:

    With arms outstretched, hands were layered so that each persons' right hand was in front of the neighboring left hand. When your right hand got sandwiched by your neighbor's hands, clapped between the two, it was your turn to swing your right arm and make a sandwhich around your other neighbor's right hand, to your left. The owner of the hand sandwiched at "Ker-plop!" was out.

    The last two players had a sort of pushing arm-wrestle:

    Right hands linked in some sort of arm-wrestle fist (I can't remember exactly), while still standing, the last two would alternately push and pull. This was syncronized (sp?) so that the back and forth could increase in speed. You tried hard to get it going fast so that on "-plop!" you could try to take advantage of the inertia and freeze your arm in the 'push' position to win. However, if you froze your arm in 'push' before the rhyme reached the very end, even on "Ker-", then you lost.

    One kid tried to take advantage of this by freezing his arm in 'pull' on "Ker-" to make it look like the other kid was trying to win-too-soon. As we were all kindergarteners, it wasn't very hard for the supervising (sp?) adults to figure it out. Clever of him to try though!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 09:28 PM

Thanks, Guest, for posting that version of Hanky Panky.

It would be great if you would share where and when and how did you chant this version or read it or hear it chanted?

**

I re-posted this rhyme on another Mudcat thread, but it seems appropriate for this one as well:

COCA COLA WENT TO TOWN/THERE'S A PLACE ON MARS
Coca Cola (clap clap clap)
went to town (clap clap clap)
Hi-C (clap clap clap)
knocked him down (clap clap clap)
7up (clap clap clap)
picked him up (clap clap clap)
Dr. Pepper (clap clap clap)
gave him (clap clap clap)
sleeping pills (clap clap clap)
jelly rolls (clap clap clap)
Theres a place on Mars
where the ladies smoke cigars
every puff they take
is enough to kill a snake
when the snake is dead
you put diamonds in his head
when the diamonds break
it's enough to bake a cake
when the cake is done
it is 1991
when you tie your shoe
it is 1992
when you get stung by a bee
it is 1993
when you slam a door
it is 1994
when you dance the jive
it is 1995
when you pick up sticks
it is 1996
when you like a boy named devon
it is 1997
when you close the gate
it is 1998
when you're feelin' fine
it is 1999
then it gets all cold
then you
FREEZE!
- Miranda; http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php ;August 19, 2004


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 08:59 PM

Down by the river with the hanky bankys
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
say an
epp
opp
epp
bop
bop
Skittle dittle curly pop
I pledge allegence to the flag
That Micheal jackson makes me gag
Diet Pepsi came to town
Coca-Cola pushed him down
Orange soda picked him up
Now I'm drinking 7 up
7up caught the flu
Now I'm drinking Moutain Dew
Moutain Dew fell off the moutain
Now I'm drinking from a fountian
Foutain Broke
Now I'm drinking plain old Coke
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    Thanks.
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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 08:51 PM

Down by the river of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with a
eep
op
eep
bop
bop
skittle dittle curly pop
I pledge allegence to the flag
That Michael Jackson makes me gag
He used to play with little toys
But now he plays with little boys
7 Up caught the flu
Now i'm drinking mountain dew
Mountain dew fell off the mountain
Now i'm drinking from a fountain
Fountain broke..
Now i'm drinking
Plain
Old
Coke.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 07:51 AM

Wow! I didn't even know my last post to this thread was #100.

On Mudcat posting the 100th comments is a major accomplishment.

I guess that means I'll have a GREAT day.

At least I'm gonna interprete it to mean that.

:o)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 07:47 AM

Here is another version of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky"

This is a game that me and my friends play down by the banks of the hanky pank where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank singing eeps iips oops ummps chilly willy ding dong i plege alligence to the flag micheal jack makes me gag coca-cola burned it's butt now we're talkin 7-up 7-up has no caffeine now we're talkin billy jean billy jean is outta sight now we're talkin dynamite dynamite blows up the school now we're talkin really cool 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
-Allie ; 7/14/2007; http://www.cocojams.com/handclap_rhymes_example_0104.htm
{Version #14 of that rhyme on that website page}


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Ashley
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:58 AM

down by the river of the hany pank
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
singin oh ah skittle skattle
big fat bull frog
oops i knocked him off the log
now i think hes mad
better go get him a lilly pad!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:02 PM

Thanks GUEST,Dana =], GUEST 19 Jun 07 - 08:36 PM, GUEST,Girlygirl¢¾, GUEST,sidney, and all the other guests and members for posting versions of this rhyme.

GUEST,sidney's example "sounds" to me like an elimination rhyme {counting out rhyme, choosing it rhyme}.

If you're still around Guest sidney, I'm wondering if this rhyme was used that way where you live.

And, in my opinion, including where you live {city/state if in the USA or your city, state/province/nation if elsewhere} is an important bit of information that adds to the folkloric record of these rhymes.

It also is important to include when you remember singing or hearing these rhymes {for instance in the 1980s, or 1960s or now].

Including that type of demographical information helps to show how much we have in common-as well as the differences that mayoccur across space and time.

Best wishes,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:17 PM

sorry messed up



i learned this from chole,elizibeth1,elizibeth2,abby at loyola academy day camp




Down by banks of hankey-panky were the bullfrogs jumps from bank to bank sayin' eeps iips ohp sacadillain - kerplunk!
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 mickey mouse had a house dohnald duck messed it up who shall pay the caonceacuences mouse or duck (or duck or mouse)1 person said duck or mouse and if it ends up on you you pull your hand away so the other person is out then but if they hit your hand your out


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,sidney
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:15 PM

i learned this from chole,elizibeth1,elizibeth2,abby




Down by riverbank of hankey-panky were the bullfrogs jumps from bank to bank sayin' eeps iips ohp sacadillain - kerplunk!
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 mickey mouse had a house dohnald duck messed it up who shall pay the caonceacuences mouse or duck (or duck or mouse)1 person said duck or mouse and if it ends up on you you pull your hand away so the other person is out then but if they hit your hand your out


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Girlygirl¢¾
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 10:04 PM

Down by the banks of the hanky panky Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky with a heep,hop,heep,hop,hop and a skittle and a diddle and a kernal pop! I pledge allegiance to the flag, Michael Jackson makes me gag Coca cola messed him up now he's drinking 7up 7up has no caffeine now he's drinking Gasoline Gasoline is not good for you now he's drinking Mountain Dew Mountain Dew fell off the mountain now he's drinking from a fountain Down by the bank of the Hanky Panky Where the jump from bank to banky with a heep,hop,heep,hop,hop and a skittle and a diddle and a kernal pop!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 08:36 PM

Down by the river by the hanky panks, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank, saying A E I O U, your mamma stinks and so do you, so ping pong donkey kong went to school with nothing on, asked the teacher what to wear, polka dotted underwear, not too big not too small, just the size of a cannon ball!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Dana =]
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 10:30 AM

Down by the bay
with the hanky panky
where bull frogs jump
from bank to banky
with a
Heep
Hop
Heep
Hop Hop
and a skittle
and a dittle
and a kernal pop
i pledge alegiance
to the flag
Micheal Jackson
makes me gag
Coca Cola messed him up
now hes drinking 7up
7 up has no caffine
now hes drinking gassoline
Gassoline not good for you
now hes drinking Mnt. Dew
Mt. Dew fell off the Mt.
now hes drinking from a fountain
-------------------------
fountain water has no taste
now hes drinking milkshake
milkshake goes down wrong,
now he's drinking alcohol.
alcohol is against the law
now hes drinking nothing at all.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,LALA:):):):)
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 06:32 PM

down by the banks and hanky panky yo granma say yo booty stanky say eeps ips oops ops listen to the boys cry see that house on top of the hill thats were me my boyfriend live smell like chicken smell like rice come on girls lets shoot_some_dice pick a number or a letter no ones no twos no trees no a b c's (pick a number or a letter lets just say i chooce 7) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7! ( whoevers hand gets hit on the chosen number/letter is ELIMINATED!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 09:46 PM

Down by the bay
with the hanky panky
where bull frogs jump
from bank to banky
with a
Heep
Hop
Heep
Hop Hop
and a skittle
and a dittle
and a kernal pop
i pledge alegiance
to the flag
Micheal Jackson
makes me gag
Coca Cola messed him up
now hes drinking 7up
7 up has no caffine
now hes drinking gassoline
Gassoline not good for you
now hes drinking Mnt. Dew
Mt. Dew fell off the Mt.
now hes drinking from a fountain

thast all i knw can somebody just put the rest 2 hisverybody knows the song but i just a;wasy fogertt that last lines please put the end to this song pleas!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Joy
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 08:47 PM

I was in school when I played the game and it didn't go any of the ways that are on there this is how it went.

Down by the banks of the hanky panks Where the bullfrogs jump from banks to banks Singing eeps iips ops oops Chili willi ding dong Your mother smells like King Kong I pledge allegiance to the flag Michael Jackson is a fag coca cola brought him up now we're talkin 7up 7up has no caffeine now we're talkin Billy Jean Billy Jean is out of sight Now we're talkin Dynamite 10,9 ,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,BOOM!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 May 07 - 10:04 PM

Correction:

"I'm not a member of that blog, but I have posted on that thread a number of times since I first learned about it on another Mudcat thread".


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 May 07 - 10:01 PM

Here's another version of Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky:


"I dont remember the whole thing, but this is as much as i can remember:

down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank singin eeps ipps ops oops listen to the rhythm of the ding dang dong. micheal jackson went to town pepsi cola shot him down dr. pepper fixed him up now were talkin 7-up. 7-up has no caffine now were takin billie jean.....

i dont remember the rest.

while ur sayin that. you put you hands out to the side. one person puts there hand on top of yours and on the other side the other persons hand is below yours. so when one person slaps your hand, you slap the person on your other sides hand. but you have to keep the beat of the song or you are out and you start all over. the beat between each hand clap is about 1/2 second long."

posted by stargirl3637 at October 30, 2006; Octoblog

http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php


Btw, I have posted a number of examples of children's rhymes on this thread that were first posted on Octoblog. Members of that blog have given me permission to reposts examples of children's rhymes that are posted on their "children's schoolyard games" thread.

Similar to Mudcat, Octoblog accepts comments from both members & guests on its thread of children's schoolyard games. I'm not a member of that blog, but I have posted on that thread a number of since I first learned about it on another Mudcat thread.

If you're interested in a great resource on children's rhymes, check out that Octoblog link. And, while you're there, it would be great if you would post some examples of children's rhymes on that thread.

To borrow a hip-hop saying, "Show them some love".


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 May 07 - 09:44 PM

This thread is looong.

In scanning it this evening, I realize that I wrote about a contemporary version of little Sally Walker two times in this thread. The first time was in November 2005 after a Guest posted an example of that rhyme on 25 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM .

The second time was in May 2007 in response to GUEST,Kate and Clare -13 May 07 - 07:24 PM posting of the same rhyme.

I consider Little Sally Walker to be a guest on the Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky thread, since the words to that rhyme don't have any thing to do with Hanky Panky.

But, for those readers who may not be aware of it, there are alot of other Mudcat threads on children's rhymes. One which started out as a thread* for children's taunts and comebacks is thread.cfm?threadid=81350#1486259
"I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes"

If you click on that link, below that title, you'll see a listing of many more [but not all] Mudcat threads on children's rhymes.

Enjoy!


* "thread" means "a series of comments. Comments are also known as 'posts' "


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 May 07 - 09:31 PM

When I was growing up in the 1950s, most of the time I didn't know that there was more than one version of a particular chilren's rhyme. I thought the version that I knew was the ONLY version.

If I happened to hear another version of a rhyme I knew, I thought that MY version was the REAL version. What I meant by "real" was that my version was the CORRECT version. And what I meant by that is that I thought that there's only ONE correct version of a particular rhyme.

Maybe it's different for songs. Maybe there can only be one correct version of a song-the version that someone wrote.

But because children's rhymes are created anonymously and passed along largely through oral tradition there probably have always been multiple versions of the same rhyme.

Thanks to the Internet and other print & recorded resources, children, youth, and adults can become aware that there are different versions of the "text" and often different performance instructions of the samer rhyme.

Thanks to Internet threads such as this one, people nowadays can "see" that a particular rhyme may change over time, and may be different at the same time within different nations, cities, and even neighborhoods of the same city.

And all these versions are REAL for the people who recite them.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Juliana
Date: 24 May 07 - 08:50 PM

The real version that my friends and I sing at school is the following:

Down by riverbank of hankey-pank a bullfrog jumps from bank to bank sayin' eeps iips ohps umps down by the river bank- kerplunk!
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9..... (and at ten whoever gets their hand slapped is eliminated. if they pull their hand away the person who slapped them is out.)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:29 PM

I just re-read Karen's {24 May 07 - 10:19 AM} version, and I wonder if that version might have "originally" been:

"With an A E I, O, U
Ump slop-a-dilly and a BAROOM!

-snip-

That way the rhyme is a recitation of the standard English vowels.


{I suppose the "OOH" in Karen's version is pronounced to rhyme with the English word "you"}


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:31 PM

Thanks for posting your version, Karen. And thanks also for remembering to include demographical information.

I think the different versions of this rhyme are cool too.

It's interesting that I can remember a lot of rhymes from my childhood, but I have no memory of this rhyme at all.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 24 May 07 - 10:19 AM

Wow, all of these different versions, and yet, the one I learned as a kid is still slightly different. Very cool. I really like the "frog missed the banky" version.

Here's mine... it starts out the same, but the vowel sounds at the end are different. I learned mine in Utah somewhere between 1986 and 1988.

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
With an EE EE I, I, OH, OH, OOH, OOH,
Ump slop-a-dilly and a BAROOM!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:41 PM

Poor Michael Jackson

Who in the 1980s would have ever believed that name of that multiple Grammy award winning King of Pop would be preserved in history this way?

Life is full of ironies.

**

I wonder if anyone knows any other children's rhymes that include the lines "I pledge allegiance to the flag" ?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:05 PM

I grew up with

Down by the river with hanky pank
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank,
Singing Ece-Ice-Oce-Uce,
Listen to the Church bell's
Ding Dang Dong,
Your Daddy smell like King Kong,
Micheal Jackson is a fag,
I pledge allegiance to the flag
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,me
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:04 PM

down by the river of the hankey pankey where the bullfrogs jump from bank to. i said A-E-I-O-U. i pledge allegeience to the flag. Michel Jackson makes me gag. he used to play with litle toys now he plays with little boys! Dr. Pepper threw up now i'm drinkin 7-Up. 7-Up caught the flu now i'm drinkin Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew fell iff the mountain now i'm drinkin from the fountain. fountian broke now i'm drinkin plain old COKE!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,me
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:44 PM

thats how i play it too


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Subject: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Anonymous
Date: 15 May 07 - 11:38 PM

this is how my friends and i play


Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
Singing eeps, ops, sodapops
Ay Mr. Bullfrog i got you!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,guest candycane
Date: 15 May 07 - 05:56 PM

down by the riverside of hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from banky banky singen east peace sun street bow wow ding dong


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 13 May 07 - 09:29 PM

Kate and Clare, thanks for sending in that example.

I'm not familiar with Camp Davern. If you read this, would you post where that is {which state if in the USA; which country if outside the USA}.

I'm also wondering what you meant by "switch". Does it mean "shake your hips" or "take someone else's turn" or something else?

Also, when you wrote that "We would start off with one Sally, and by the end of the song, all of the girls would be Sally Walkers" do you mean that one girl at a time would be Sally and then she would go back to the circle and another girl would take her place?

About 2003, I saw this rhyme performed by African American girls who were about 7-9 years old. One girl said she made up this rhyme and that may have been true since kids say that they "make up" a rhyme when they change even one word of a rhyme they may have heard or read.

Here's the words to the song:

Little Sally Walker walkin down the street/
she didnt know what to do
so she stood in front of me.
She said
Ooh girl, do you thing.
Do you thing.
Stop.
Ooh girl, do you thing.
Do you thing.
Stop.

Here's how the "game" was played:
Girls stood in a circle and clapped hands to a moderate beat. One girl {Sally} was in the middle. She didn't sing but walked around the inside of the circle. On the words "stood in front of me", Sally stands in front of one girl and begins to do a popular R&B or Hip-Hop dance step. She continues to do that dance and the girl she is standing in front of tries to exactly imitate her. Other children making up the circle also do the dance. On the word "stop" the dancing stops, and starts all over again. At the end of the rhyme the girl who Sally was standing in front of becomes the new Sally, and the former Sally rejoins the children making up the circle. The rhyme is supposed to immediately start again without any gap in time. Theoretically, this rhyme is supposed to continue until every girl has a chance to be "Sally" But usually, the girls tire of the song before that and go on to another rhyme.

I know that there was another Mudcat poster who also wrote that she observed the "Little Sally Walker Walking Down The Street" rhyme played at a camp a couple of years ago.

I wonder where this version came from. Perhaps we'll never know.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Kate and Clare
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:24 PM

This is a song that I sung at my summer camp, Camp Davern

little sally walker walking down the street
she didnt know what to do then she came right up to me
she said hey girl do your thing
do your thing and switch
hey girl do your thing
do your thing and switch

We would start off with one Sally, and by the end of the song, all of the girls would be Sally Walkers.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,BlueCat
Date: 08 May 07 - 03:26 AM

Did anyone ever sing this as a round? I didn't even know there was a clapping game associated with it! It's great! And I learned it in the early 80's before the whole Michael J hair incident! Very cool music! I've never heard it afterwards, but it's kept a skip in my step ever since! I was in Southern Alberta in the 80's, now on the West Coast of British Columbia, Canada.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 06:21 PM

Thanks, GUEST 26 Apr 07 - 03:37 AM for posting the version you remember of "Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky. "Michael Jackson is a fad". Yep, a number of people would agree.

See this information about the R&B/Pop singer Michael Jackson:
http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/biography.html

Also, see this information about the R&B singer Bobby Brown:
http://music.yahoo.com/ar-289159-bio--Bobby-Brown


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 03:37 AM

Wow my version seems really weird in comparison. we did do the hand clapping around a circle. Once the last bit was said you were supposed to pull your hand before the clapper got to you. If you did they were out, if not you. So the circle got smaller and smaller. Here was Kennesaw, Georgia's version

Down by the banks of the hanky panks
Where the bullfrogs jump from banks to banks
Singing eeps iips ops oops
Chili willi ding dong
Lets play a game of ping pong

In the year of 1995
I pledge alligance to the flag
Micheal Jackson is a fad
Coca cola busted up
Now I'm drinking 7 up
7 up has no caffeine
Now I'm singing Billy Jean
Billy Jean went out of style
Now I'm singing bob....ie...brown!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 12:07 AM

In re-reading this thead I see that GUEST,Allison
[Date: 20 Feb 07 - 06:49 PM] example has a tic, toc, tic, toc, tic, toc boom! line. Still, guest Chewkaaa's versions change that line a bit as an expansion on the reference to "dynamite".

**

It might be helpful to explain what I mean by "folk process". Here's one definition from http://www.folklib.net/folkfile/f.shtml :

"folk process (see also oral tradition) the method of learning a song, forgetting some of it, adding bits of your own, and then teaching the song to someone else, complete with changes. This happens all the time, with the expected result that there are often no definitive versions of songs."

-snip-

Here's an excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_music about changing the words of a song {btw, in this context "songs" also include "rhymes"}

"Music transmitted by word of mouth through a community will, in time, develop many variants, because this kind of transmission cannot produce word-for-word and note-for-note accuracy. Indeed, many traditional folk singers are quite creative and deliberately modify the material they learn[citation needed].

Because variants proliferate naturally, it is naïve to believe that there is such a thing as the single "authentic" version of a ballad such as "Barbara Allen (song)." Field researchers in folk song (see below) have encountered countless versions of this ballad throughout the English-speaking world, and these versions often differ greatly from each other. None can reliably claim to be the original, and it is quite possible that whatever the "original" was, it ceased to be sung centuries ago. Any version can lay an equal claim to authenticity, so long as it is truly from a traditional folksinging community and not the work of an outside editor."

-snip-

What makes the Michael Jackson lines so significant is that they are examples of how children's rhymes can document, preserve, and comment on something that happened in real life. However, because of misunderstanding or misremembering the words and/or because of purposeful changes & additions, the lyrics of a song or rhyme are often not an accurate depiction of what really happened.

The facts are that pop singer Michael Jackson's hair got burned while he was singing his hit song "Billie Jean" during the filming of a soft drink commercial. But which soft drink was it? {I can't remember, and there's various brand names of soda pop that are mentioned in different versions of this rhyme}. Also, what caused Jackson to get burned? It wasn't really dynamite. But the word "dynamite" is easier to use in a rhyme than "special effects fire works used while making a commercial". Besides, fire works are created by dynamite or are they?

I believe that it is important to also analyze and preserve information about what rhymes meant to those who recite them because in time people might forget these facts-if they ever knew them. For instance, there probably will come at time that people may read this Hanky Panky/Michael Jackson rhyme and wonder who the heck Michael Jackson is or was. Or if they know this bit of information, they may not know that Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire while filming a soda commercial. Or if they know this, they may not remember the name of the soft drink whose commercial Jackson was filming. And they also may not know what the word "beligene" means.

I can imagine these being "Trivia Pursuits" questions now. I can also imagine some of our great grandchildren arguing over the word beligine in years to come, never realizing that the answer to the question what is a beligene is found right on this Mudcat thread.

But then again, this thread may be long gone by that time.

Too bad.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:17 PM

I appreciate all the examples posted to this thread, including the latest ones.

However, I'm sorry that GUEST,Chewkaaa chose to include that part about Michael Jackson since I really dislike people calling a person a "fag".

Also, I wonder how the version at Chewkaa's school really ends.
Did she or he mean that the rhyme ends after the line "Just the size of city hall" or "Just the size of Broward mall"?

Chewkaaa wrote that she {or he} got the Michael Jackson part from this website. However, these ending lines "10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, BAM!" or "tic tock tic tock BOOM! BOOM!]" aren't found on this thread or on any other thread on this site.

Both of those lines are build on the preceding line's mention of "dynamite".

Both of these changes-the addition of the Michael Jackson lines that I really don't like and the end line that I really do like-demonstrate that the folk process is alive and well.


For the record, my 19 Apr 07 - 10:27 PM comment was in response to a post that said something like these rhymes weren't any good.

Obviously, that post was deleted. I hope this one won't be because I don't want GUEST,Mj to think that I was talking about her {or his} example.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Chewkaaa
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 10:45 PM

This is the way we sing it at my school:

Down By the Banks with the Hanky Panky

Down by the banks with the hanky pank
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
singing E I O U
Your mother stinks [smells] and so do you
ping pong diddly dong
Your daddy smells like King Kong
[Went to school with nothing on]
Ask your teacher what to wear [she wears],
Polka dotted underwear.
Not too big
Not too small,
Just the size of city hall [Broward mall]
Pledge allegiance to the flag
Michael Jackson is a fag
he used to play with little toys
now he just plays with little boys
Michael Jackson went to town,
Coca-cola brought him down.
Dr. Pepper brought him up,
Now he's drinking 7up.
7up with no caffeine,
Now he's seein' Billie
Billie Jean is outta sight,
Now we're talking dynamite.
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, BAM!
[tic tock tic tock BOOM! BOOM!]


everything in the brackets is an exception...and we dont mention michael jackson, but i saw it on this sight and decided to mention it :]


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