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Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky

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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:27 PM

I'm Rubber You're Glue
and all that jazz.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Mj
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 08:03 AM

heres how i learned it and i am still younger so i still pay it today

down by the banks of the hanky panhy where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky with a ee aa oo uu jump little bull frog ker-plunk SPLASH!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 10:35 PM

down by the bank of the hanky pank where the bullfrog jump from bank to bank sayin east ice ost west eastside westide ping pong your daddy smells like king kong qpple peaches pears plums tell me when your birthday comes


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,chloe
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:31 AM

down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jum from bank to banky whith a hip hop paddle and a pop give me a A E I O U are out

when they say out you have to calp on the others players hand first


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 03:50 PM

Down by the bay
with the hanky panky
where bull frogs jump
from bank to banky
with a
Heep
Hop
Heep
Hop Hop
and a skittle
and a dittle
and a kernal pop
i pledge alegiance
to the flag
Micheal Jackson
makes me gag
Coca Cola messed him up
now hes drinking 7up
7 up has no caffine
now hes drinking gassoline
Gassoline not good for you
now hes drinking Mnt. Dew
Mt. Dew fell off the Mt.
now hes drinking from a fountain


Sry I dont now the rest. if some one does pls write. iwould really
like to now.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the River of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Cyndy
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 07:51 PM

Down by the river of hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
singing eeps, ips, ops, oops
silly willy ding dong
yo daddy smell like king kong
i pledge allegiance to the flag
micheal jackson is a fag
coca cola brought 'em up
now we're drinking 7Up
7Up has no caffine
now we're drinking gas-o-line


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:41 PM

the way i learned was...

down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with an eep, ipe, ope, opp
see sicadilly and it went kerplop.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,someone
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 07:14 PM

down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky
with the eeps opps
soda pops
hey mr. willy
and your yanker popped


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,ARThur
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 07:17 PM

Here is a 1907 recording of May Irwin's
Frog Song


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,HyperActiveWitch
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 01:56 PM

Down by the bay where the hanky panky where the bull frogs jump from bank to bank sayin eep op eep op op skittle dittle kernal ding dong my brother smells like king kong pledge alligence to the flag micheal jakson makes me gag coca cola blew up now im drinking seven up seven up has no caffine now im singing billy jean billy jean is outta style ace duce jack king wild

wilds the end were u slap the person....learned this at summer camp...sorry if theres any spelling errors =)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Nari
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 10:25 AM

Down by the banks of the Hankie-Pankie
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bankie
With an
Eep
Op
Eep
Op
Oh
And a skiddle
And a diddle
And a KERRRRRRRRR
PLOP!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,the girl that loved recess
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 03:46 PM

i always played it

down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky
with the eeps opps
soda pops
hey mr. willy
and he went ker-plop

it was like, we would all sit in a circle with our palms up, your left hand was underneath the person to the left of you, and your right on top of the person to the right of you and if your hand got smacked on "plop" you were out. then when it got down to two ppl you would act lke you were shaking hands and go back and forth and whoever's hand was away from them on "plop" won. then would would start over... and over... and played all recess! its a lot of fun when you do it in a giant group of ppl


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Kirstyn
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM

This is how I do it...

Down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky with the EEPS IPES OHPS OPS and the news cychrideli and ker-plunk!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Australia
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with a hip
hop
crakle and a pop
with a hip
hop
crackle and a pop.

YEAH! go aussies!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,mathy
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 12:22 PM

another coca cola song...

coca cola went to town diet pepsi shot him down
dr. pepper fixed him up, now were drinking 7up
7up got the flu now were drinking mountain dew
mountain dew fell off a mountain now were drinking from a fountain
the fountain broke an now were back to drinking coke


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 07:27 PM

Allison, thanks for posting that example.

I've observed children doing circle slaps like this {though not to this specific rhyme}. When there were only two players left, they would stand facing each other and do partner handclaps. The handclap routine and the recitation might speed up or it might stay at the same speed with the slaps not being harder than they were when all the children were in the circle. But those two 'partners' will continue doing same back & forth two hand/one hand handclap routine until one of them messes up. The person who messes up first is out, and the other person is the "winner".

Btw, this wasn't a heavy duty competition. For instance, I never heard anyone say "You won." or "I'm the winner". But there's some sense of accomplishment and status for being "the winner".


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 06:49 PM

I learned this a long time ago while in day care. All of the kids who played were 7 to 11 years old. This version is like many others except on the last verse...

Down by the banks with the hanky pank
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
singing eips ieps oops umps chilly willy ding dong
I pledge allegiance to the flag
michael jackson makes me gag
Coca Cola burns his butt
now we're talking 7-up
7-up has no caffeine
now we're talking beligene
beligene is out of sight
now we're talking dynamite
tic, toc, tic, toc, tic, toc boom!

And then on boom! whoever had their hand slapped was out and the game continued until it narrowed down to one winner. I'm not sure how they decided the winner when two people were left..


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 08:32 AM

down by the banks of the hanky panky
wear the bull frogs jump form bakn to bany
where hip hops soda pops
hey mr. willy and he went kerplop
here comes noah walking in the dark
he stepped on a hammer and he built an ark
animals came by two by two
a hungry hippo and a kangaroo

posted by socalgal89 at June 16, 2005


http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 01:34 PM

DOWN BY THE RIVER
I usually like cheers but I like this Hand Clap. It's called Down By The River! It goes like this: Down By The River With The Hankey-Pankey Where The BullFrogs Jump From Bank To Bank They Say E-Pa E-Pa-Pa Skittel-Diddel-Kurnal-POP! Cherry-Cola Came To Town! Dr. Pepper Nocked Him Down! 7-Up Picked Him Up! Now We're Drinkin' 7-Up! 7-Up Got The Flu! Now We're Drinkin' Mountain Dew! Mountian Dew Fell Off The Mountian! Now We're Drinkin' From The Fountain. Oh-No The Fountian Broke! Now We're Drinkin' Plain-Old, Ice-Cold, Regular, Diet Coke! (By: **!!Enforcers Cheer Girl!!** Date Recited: ?-2007 Recited By: Me, My Friends, And A Lot Of Other People (Boys And Girls) Category: Hand Clap
-Cheer Girl; 2/2/2007; http://www.cocojams.com/handclap_rhymes_example_0104.htm


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Aikou
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 05:57 PM

Down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky and eeps ipes diddily oppsydaisy eeps ipes diddly oopsydaisy ping pang pong you're out.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 04:23 AM

I learned this song at summer camp in Idaho. We learned it as :

Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with an eep, ipe, oop, opps
you missed the lily pad, Kerplop!


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Subject: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 08:21 PM

OK for all you idiotic people out there "Down by the Bank of the Hanky Panky" goes like this:

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with a hip-hop soda pop
frog hit the lilly pad and went ker-plop


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 10:00 AM

i see that some people posted "little sally walker" but i was wondering if anyone had heard of a different chant said in a circle... its something like "....look at that booty, look at that booty, you aint gettin none" haha it sounds weird but i wanted to know how it goes if anyone has heard of it- the beginning they usually let a group of people to the middle or a name that they call to the middle


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:59 PM

It's interesting to note that Abrahams does not include any versions of "Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky" in his collection.

Or at least I don't think he does. It's not listed under "D" and, although I have pages that I copied for the rest of the alphabet, for some reason I can't find the pages with the rhymes beginning with the letter "H". So maybe Abrahams has this rhyme under Hanky Panky.

And yes, I know that copy machines aren't supposed to be used to reproduce books. But way back then-even more than now-money was reaaaall scarce.

Still...

Okay okay. I'll take my punishment of 20 lashes with a wet noodle.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:51 PM

Btw, I believe that nowadays the "Apple On A Stick rhyme" is usually performed as a handclap rhyme.

The first verse usually is:

Apple on a stick,
makes me sick.
Makes my tummy go 2 4 6.

-snip-

In "Jump Rope Rhymes, A Dictionary" {published for the American Folklore Society by the University of Texas Press, 1969}, editor Roger D. Abrahams gives this verse:

Apple on a stick
five cent a lick,
Every time I turn around
It makes me sick.

-snip-

Abrahams cites these sources for that verse:
Musick: HF, 7 {1949}, 11 [West Virginia]
Withers, {1948}, 63
Butler and Haley {1963}, n.p.

[Sorry, when I 'zeroxed' these pages years ago, I didn't think that the page with the code for the sources was important enough to copy]

**

The reference to "turn around" leads me to believe that this was a jumpe rope rhyme. It seems that a number of handclap rhymes started out as jump rope rhymes.

Maybe we can blame the Maytag man and other corporate makers of clothes dryer [machines] for causing jump ropes to be difficult to find if not absolutely obsolete.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:37 PM

Guest, Guest 18 Jan 07 - 06:20 PM, the longer version of "Down by the banks of the hanky panky" that you referred to may have had these verses:

Candy apples on a stick
Makes my tummy go 2, 4 to 6
Not because I'm dirty
Not because I'm clean
Not because I kissed a boy behind a magazine

Hey girls! Wanna have some fun?
Here come's ____ (fill in the blank with a boy's name) with his pants undone
He can wibble, he can wobble, he can do the splits
But most of all, he can Kiss Kiss Kiss!

http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php ; posted by Joy Beth at January 23, 2004

**

This rhyme is also known as "Apple On A Stick" and is often recited as an independent rhyme or in combination with other rhymes than "Hanky Panky."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:20 PM

here's what I've heard.

Down by the banks of the hanky pank
where the bullfrogs jump from bank 2 bank
singin' eeps ipes opes oops chilly willy ding dong
I pledge allegience to the flag
Michael Jackson makes me gag
Coca Cola has caffeine
Now we're talkin' Billy Jean
Billy Jean is out of sight
now we're talking DYNA-MITE!

I haven't done it for a while, but there's a longer version that says something about "kissed my boyfriend behind a magazine... hey girls, wanna have some fun? here come the boys with their pants undone"

Yes, these were actually sung by young children (1st-5th grade). not that many of them understood what they were saying...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Deanna
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:00 PM

Down by the banks of hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
singing eeps, ips, ops, oops
billy willy bing bong
i pledge allegiance to the flag
micheal jackson makes me gag
coca cola brought 'em up
now we're talking 7Up
7Up has no caffine
now we're talking gasoline
gasoline is out of sight
now we're talking dy-no-mite


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 07:36 AM

Here's another version of Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky that mentions Michael Jackson:

I know a hand game and it goes like this-Down by the bank said a hanky panky when a bull frog jumped from bank to bank
i said A-E-I-O-U micheal jackson went to town coca cola shot him down mountain dew shot him up now were talking 7 up 7 up has no cafine now were talking billy Jean billy jean went down the street singing DO NOT EAT ME I'M A ROTTEN PIECE OF MEAT look'n good look'n fine just a $1.99 and you are out.
-chrissi at May 24, 2006

http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Neighmond
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:23 AM

Way down yonder in the hankity pank the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank

singing "Eeeee! Oooooo! Eeeee! Ooooo! Hinky dinky parlee voo!

I pledge allegance to the flag Michal Jackson is a fag.

Pepsi Cola f----d him up, now he's drinking seven-up.

Seven up makes him pee, now he's drinking pepsi-free!

Stand up, sit down, give me a dollar, all for Spirit Lake stand up and HOLLAR!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Amelia
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:24 PM

I'm from Brisbane, Australia and we used to do this rhyme as kids.
I was at a party on the weekend and we were just mucking around and started doing hand claps. When I got home i told other people about it they remembered only half of the rhyme. I thought that there was more than one verse?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:31 AM

Also, fwiw, unfortunately, I think the implied homophobia in the line "I pledge allegiance to the flag/Michael Jackson is a fag" does ring true to contemporary children's rhymes.

I've seen that line elsewhere in various websites on children's rhymes. And I heard this line recited by a couple of second grade African American girls in Pittsburgh children as part of the "Mama Mama Can't You See" rhyme:

"they say Michael Jackson is a fag
put him in a plastic bag"

-snip-

Since I detest homophobia, I much prefer the version as given on this thread by GUEST 30 Nov 06 - 09:28:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag
Micheal Jackson makes me gag"

-snip-

Of course, then the question is why would R&B singer Michael Jackson make anyone gag?

I haven't got a clue.

;o)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:20 AM

The comment that I wrote on 23 Nov 06 - 08:40 PM also applies for the example posted by GUEST,apple - PM on 06 Jan 07 - 06:41 PM.

In other words, I have considerable doubts as to whether this example really comes from a child or a teenager.

The pattern of combining separate rhymes does ring true, but imo, these lines don't seem authentic to me-"authentic" meaning being composed or recited by children:

"where the bullfrogs hump
from bank to banky
singing heep hopp heep hop hump...
-snip-

[And]

"darker than the underwear micheal jackson pulls off of me" .

Fwiw {and I recognize that it's not worth much}, I've not seen the alliteration of "heep, hopp heep hop hump" before in examples of Hanky Panky rhymes. But what makes the use of "hump" suspect for me is the sexual slang meaning of the word "hump"... This doesn't feel authentic to me...again for what it's worth...

I have my doubts about the authenticity of the michael jackson pulling off underwear line partly because it doesn't fit with the line in an earlier verse that "Michael Jackson is a fag" and also because it doesn't fit with the sense I have that in playground rhymes children don't talk bad about themselves or draw [what they would preceive is] negative sexual attention to themselves.

Now if the line had said "darker than the underwear Michael Jackson pulled off of you" that line would have seemed to me to be much more authentic. But then "you" wouldn't have rhymed with "sea".

It may be that I'm being much too analytical and "guest apple"'s Hanky Panky example may indeed be from a child.

But I doubt it.

Not that it matters a hill of beans what I doubt, but still...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,apple
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 06:41 PM

Down by the bay
where the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs hump
from bank to banky
singing heep hopp heep hop hump
with a skiddle and a diddle and a kerrnel pop.
I pledge allegience to the flag
michael jackson is a fag
he used to play with little toys
now he plays with little boys
pepsi cola seven up
porin it all in your cup
Mrs lucy had a steamboat
the steam boat had a bell
mrs lucy went to heaven
the steamboat went to
hello operater give me number 9
if you diconnect me ill chop off your behind
the frigderator there was a piece of glass
mrs lucy sat upon it and broke her little
ask me no more questions tell me no more lies
the boys are in the bathroom pulling down there
flies are in the medow bees are in the park
boys and girls are kissing in the
D-A-R-K D-A-R-K dark dark
darker than the medow darker than the sea
darker than the underwear micheal jackson pulls off of me


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 08:22 AM

Guest, here's another version of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that mentions R&B singer Michael Jackson:

Down by the river near the hankey pank where the bullfrogs jump from bank, to bank, and they say E I O U, your momma stinks and so do you so ping pong ding dong your daddy smells like king kong. Ask your teacher what she wears, polka dotted underwear. Not too big and not too small, just the size of city hall. Michael Jackson went to town, coca-cola brought him down. Coca-cola brought him up, now he's drinking 7up. 7up with no cafiene, now he's seein' belgain (pronounced beligene). Belgain is outta sight, now we're talking dynamite. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, BAM!
-Veggie; 8/21/2006 http://www.cocojams.com/taunting_rhymes.htm *

-snip-

The lines starting with "I Pledge Allegiance To The Flag" immortalize an incident that occurred on Jan 27, 1984 during R&B superstar's Michael Jackson's taping of a Pepsi-Cola commercial. Twenty five year old Michael Jackson was singing his hit song "Billy Jean" when sparks from the fireworks that were supposed to be shown in the background of the commercial accidentally set Jackson's greasy 'jheri curled' hair on fire.

As the line "coca-cola brought him down" demonstrates, the rhyme isn't concerned about the distinction between the brand names "Coca Cola" and "Pepsi Cola". Of course, "7-Up" is also a brand name for a popular brand of carbonated soda pop and "Pizza Hut" is the name of a popular chain of pizza stores.

The word "belgian" ["prononced beligene"]is folk etymology for "Billy Jean". "Billy Jean" is the name of the song that Michael Jackson was singing during that infamous commercial taping.

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Some general thoughts:

"Hanky Panky" and other children's rhymes are part of the oral tradition. Many if not most children have probably not seen these rhymes in written form. The format used to write these rhymes may not be all that important. But I think it's interesting to notice that many children & youth who have sent in rhymes to my website write those rhymes using an essay format rather than a poetry format. This format also appears to be preferred by a number of children & youth who have posted rhymes on http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php

Although it is written in an essay style, the "Hanky Panky" version that was sent in by Veggie includes capitol letters at the beginning of sentences and/or lines, a period or a comma at the end of sentences/lines. However, a number of rhymes written as in the essay format don't include punctuation marks or capital letters. And some examples have every word written in capital letters.

I'm not sure why this essay style is used rather than the standard poetic format. Perhaps it's because this population is more familiar with prose than poetry. Perhaps it's {also?} because it's quicker to write using an essay format than a poetic format, and children & youth have grown up valuing speed & quickness in communication more than adults. I bet this same population group takes short cuts in writing cell phone text messages, too.

Maybe none of this has anything to do with what seems to be the preferred writing style that this populations uses. If you've noticed this and can think of other reasons why this format appears to be preferred I'd be interested in 'hearing' them.

Unfortunately, when this essay format is used without punctuation and capitalizations it's often difficult to tell where one line is supposed to end and another begins. Often people using this 'run on sentence, no punctuation, and little or no capitalization' style have sent in what appear to be multiple examples of rhymes in one email message. In those cases, based on a number of factors, I've attempted to separate out the specific rhymes. Other than that, I've kept the rhymes as they are-including the typos and the misspelled words, but that's almost a whole 'nother story because these typos and misspelled words are sometimes purposeful.

The essay format-particularly the run on sentence, no punctuation, and no capitalization style- may confuse readers. But this format is authentic and has its own flavor which I recognize and admire. For those reasons, I don't put on my grammar school teacher hat and attempt to 'correct' these examples [not that I ever was a grammar teacher, and particularly since I have my own grammar style which also is a whole nother story]...

But I'd sure love it if Veggie's style of essay writing-with punctuations and capital letters at the beginning of lines or sentences-became the vogue. That would be nice, but it's not something I promote. I'm just glad children, youth, and adults are interested enough to share the rhymes they know with me so I can attempt to preserve them and share them with others.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 09:28 PM

As a camp counselor Ive heard, i think:

Down by the banks of the hanky pank
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
Singing eep, op, eep op op
Skiddle diddle kernel pop!
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Micheal Jackson makes me gag
Coca-cola brought him up
Now we're talking 7-up
7-up has no caffeine
Now we're talking Levi jeans
Levi jeans are out of style
Now we're talking for a while
Singing eep, op, eep op op
Skiddle diddle kernel pop!


with a circle of kids and the handslapping motions described earlier; on the final 'pop' the hand slapped is eliminated.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 03:22 PM

Amazing how different they are...ours went:

Down by the banks of the hanky panky


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,A folklore student
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 01:01 AM

I had a version of the Hanky pank song that I played in elementary school a while back. Thought you might be interested. It's quite simple and it was a lot of fun.

Down on the farm
going hanky pank
going bula bula hanky pank
going fe fi fo fum
pass it to the next one

It was played like hot potatoe where we sat in a circle and clapped each others hands and when we said "next one," whoever was next either got hit and was out, or was quick enough to remove her hand (I've never noticed a boy to play this back then or now at my daycare) and the smacker would then be out.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 03:07 PM

Of course, "Little Sally Walker-the old or new versions-don't have anything to do with Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky.

Members or Guests who want to share non-"Hanky Panky" rhymes may want to post them on the Mudcat Children's Street Rhyme thread.

And yeah, that goes for me too. From now on I'll limit my examples and comments on this thread to Hanky Panky. I promise.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 03:01 PM

As indicated by the title 25 Nov 06 - 01:52 Guest gave, the Little Sally Walker Walking Down The Street rhyme appears to be a contemporary version of "Little Sally Walker"

A very similar version of this rhyme was posted by LNL on 01 Mar 04 on Mudcat's thread ofChildren's Street Songs thread.cfm?threadid=4300#1114943

Little Sally Walker
walking down the street.
She didn't know what to do
So she jumped in front of me and said:
'Hey, girl, shake that thing,
shake that thing like it ain't no thing.
Come on, girl, shake that thing
shake that thing like it ain't no thing."

LNL introduced this rhyme with this comment: "I was a counselor at a camp about three years ago, and the campers (good-natured high school students) played a surprising amount of games during break time. Not surprisingly, they weren't all innocent little rhymes. For example, Little Sally Walker has been reincarnated! She's now a circle game, with the chant."

-snip-

FWIW, in 2000 or so, I observed African American girls about 7 -9 years old in Pittsburgh, PA doing a version of this rhyme. The rhyme was almost the same as LNL's version and Guest's first verse except that the line was "she stood in front of me" . Also, the verse ended with "Ooh, girl do your thing, do your thing stop!"/"Ooh girl do your thing, do your thing-stop!". The girls stood in a circle with one girl {Little Sally} standing in the middle of the circle.
The girls forming the circle recited the rhyme while they alternated stomping their feet to a stomp stomp clap stomp stomp clap beat and clapping [their own] hands to that beat.

"Little Sally" did not sing but 'strutted' around the inside of the circle. On the lines "ooh girl, do your thing", Sally did some kind of contemporary dance step. Similar to the "show me your motion" children's games, all the girls forming the circle did the same motion as Sally. On the word "stop", everyone "freezes" {abruptly stops moving}. At the end of that verse, the girl who Sally stood in front of became the new Sally Walker and the game started from the beginning.


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Subject: RE: Little Sally Walker
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM

little sally walker walking down the street
she didnt know what to do then she came right up to me
she said hey girl do your thing
do your thing and switch
hey girl do your thing
do your thing and switch
little sally walker sitting on a tree stump
she seemed to be all up in a slump
i came right up to her and said
little sally walker what is wrong with you
then she turned to me and said
nothing at all is wrong with me
nothing nothings wrong so shut it up
nothing nothings wrong so shut it up
then she started walking down the street
she didnt know what to do so whe turned right to me
she said hey girl do your thing
do your thing and switch
hey girl do your thing
do your thing and switch
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7 8 9 10 ect.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Nov 06 - 09:59 AM

Foolestroupe, re: my learning curve: "Slow and steady wins the race."

:o)

However, with regard to verifying the authenticity of rhymes & information about rhymes which are posted on the Internet, the person could select a screen name other than Guest somebody or the other, and still post bogus information.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Nov 06 - 08:43 AM

You're learning Azizi!

Ignore anything anonymous GUESTs post - for serious research purposes...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 08:40 PM

Internet sites such as this one provide opportunities to collect versions of currently performed and remembered rhymes from throughout the world. However, it is almost impossible to verify actual rhymes and the demographical information that may be given along with those examples of rhymes.

For instance, it is quite easy for adults to pretend they are children who are posting examples of rhymes that allegedly are recited "on the playground" when in actuality the examples are the adults' compositions.

For the record, I have found several versions online of the "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhyme that have the line "I pledge allegiance to the flag/Michael Jackson is a fag". I have also observed children perform a version of another handclap rhyme {"Mama Mama Can't You See"} that includes the line "Michael Jackson is a fag"}.

Given the widespread publicity that has been given to allegations of Jackson's sexual improprieties, and given the fact that some children's rhymes preserve topical information, it's not suprising that these allegations would show up in children's rhymes.

There's no way to prove or disprove if the "Down in Louisianna by the hanky pank" examples posted above by GUEST Date: 23 Nov 06 - 05:48 PM and GUEST,Amanda Hamilton (age 12) -PM Date: 23 Nov 06 - 05:51 PM, are actually children's rhymes {meaning rhymes composed, recited, and possible performed [as handclaps or otherwise] by children}.

However, imo, the versions of Down By The Banks...Hanky Panky {which are basically the same} that these two particular guests have posted are very offensive. And I have considerable doubts that these "Down in Louisianna by the hanky pank" examples are authentic versions of children's rhymes.

It seems like these guests have their own agenda and also for the record, that agenda is not one that I respect.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Amanda Hamilton (age 12)
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 05:51 PM

Down in Louisianna by the hanky pank
two gay frogs jumped bank to bank
while they jumped one fine day
they both confessed they were gay
oops eeps oops ops
i pledge alledgance to the flag
michael jackson is a fag
he used to play with little toys
now he just plays with little boys
oops eeps oops ops with some lady with a mop
coke-a-cola burns their butts
now im thinking seven-up
they walked down the street
wanting people to meet
michael jackson will rape guys
so watch him closely with your eyes
the two little fagget frogs
went into the dusty fog
bang bang on on
bang band lifel lifel
bang bang on on
with my big strong rifel
they are really truely gay
rolling around in the hay


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 05:48 PM

Down in Louisianna by the hanky pank
two gay frogs jumped bank to bank
while they jumped one fine day
they both confessed they were gay
oops eeps oops ops
i pledge alledgance to the flag
michael jackson is a fag
he used to play with little toys
now he just plays with little boys
oops eeps oops ops with some guy with a mop
coke-a-cola burns their butts
now im thinking seven-up
they walked down the street
wanting people to meet
michael jackson will rape guys
so watch him closely with your eyes
the two little fagget frogs
went into the dusty fog
singing some stupid song
that goes on and on
shoo walla walla ooh
sha banga banga ooh
shoo walla walla ooh
sha banga banga ooh
they are really truely gay
rolling around in the hay


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Kerry
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:49 PM

I am from London, UK, and we used to do it exactly the same way as described above, sitting in a circle with out palms facing upwards.

Lyrics:

Down by the river lives the hanky panky
Two fat frogs go from bank to banky
Zoo Zam
Zoo Zam
Down by the river goes the HONK A TONK

And on 'TONK' the child would try to slap the hand of the next one to get them 'out'.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 08:38 PM

This is how I learned that song: All sitting in a circle with the hands out, palms up claping around the circle and on the ker-plop that person was out.

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bull frog jumps from bank to banky
with as eep opp oop-si-doodle
with an eep opp-si-doodle and a KER-PLUNK!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:57 AM

That's an interesting combination of rhymes, Guest guess who.

Though I won't try to guess your name, I'd love to know what city/state or nation {if outside of the USA} that you live in. I'm interested in that information as a means of documenting how widely known this rhyme is and where this particular version came from. And to further document this version, I'd also love to know when you learned it {by year or decade such as 2006 or "in the early 1990s"}

I've heard versions of the "see that house upon the hill" lines [that end with the line cmon girls let's do it right" used in the
"I Love Coffee/I Love Tea" rhymes {also known as "Down Down Baby" and "Shimmy Shimmy Coco Pa"}. But the version of the last line that I've usually heard is "come on baby let's shoot some dice"}

I first heard the "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train" lines recited by themselves in a footstomping cheer {Pittsburgh, PA area 1999}.
The cheer was recited by African American girls ages 7-14 years old}. Bang Bang Choo Choo trains lines are very common in the Brick Wall Water Fall rhymes that were popularized by the 2003 movie "Dickie Roberts, Former Child Star". In the example that Guest Guess Who posted the "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train" lines start with the words "i cant" and end with the 2nd time the words "left, right" are said.

The last section of this example {beginning with "ooh shoo walla walla ooh"} or similar sounding words is found in a number of contemporary dance style cheerleader cheers. Its increased popularity may be at least partially credited to the 2000 and 2006 "Bring It On" cheerleader movies.

If interested in reading examples of children's rhymes that include the "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train" lines, visit this and other pages of my website: http://www.cocojams.com/taunting_rhymes.htm


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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,guess who
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 10:46 PM

Down by the river of the hanky panky
where the bull frog jumped from bank to bank
saying eeps ipps opps uups
your mother stinks and so do you
see that house on top of that hill?
thats where me and my boyfriend lives
smell that chicken, smell that rice
c'mon girls lets do it right
i cant
why not?
i cant
why not?
cuz my back aches, my bra's too tight, my booty shakin left to right
left, right,
left, right,
this is skinny, this is fat, REAL fat
c'mon girls lets shoot some dap
ooh
shoo walla walla ooh
sha bang bang ooh
shoo walla walla
pick-a-number...
1..2...3...etc.


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