B.S.: Pluto goes down

Subject: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peter T.
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 09:53 AM

Along with 8 track, bellbottoms, the Back Street Boys, and Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Pluto is consigned to the junk heap of history. A brief flash of glory in the depths of space, and then it is over.   Such is life -- the bird flies into the chamber and then out (beowulf). Sic transit gloria pluto.....

(sob).

It also seems to mean that Xena is not going to get to be a planet. Which is a pity: I was kind of looking forward to it.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,M.I.C.K.E.Y._M.OU.S.E.
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 09:58 AM

G'BYE PLOODOH!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:00 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5281468.stm

I am sure this is important in the BIG picture and a thousand years from now will still be relevent while baby bush will be a footnote in history. Some comfort there.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul Burke
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:05 AM

Will Donald Duck be downgraded too?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:07 AM

Don't be silly - Pluto was classified as a planet because he orbited a star. Donald Duck was never classified as a planet - he *is* a star!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: MaineDog
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:18 AM

Does this mean that Pluto will now fall into the sun? Will its attributes be changed in any way?
Will those who live there even notice on the web?
But it might be an excuse for a party.

MD

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: kendall
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:45 AM

Big deal. We got along quite well before Pluto was even discovered in 1930.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul Burke
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:52 AM

Before Pluto was discovered, everybody wore a hat, and children respected their elders. Now it has been undiscovered, expect a return to the Golden Age.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 11:12 AM

hmmmppff...if it had been named PLATO, no one would care what its status is!

"planet" or "also ran"....makes no difference. People get way to attached to nomenclature, as if it were a personal affront to them to discover our science needs adjusting now & then.

No one has mentioned that they 'seem' to have proved that most of the universe is made of invisible "dark matter" and we are just a minor part of what exists.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 11:18 AM

"Before Pluto was discovered..."

Ya... and shit didn't stink either....

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 11:21 AM

It means now its sovereignty has been taken away and Bush can go fetch it to be his personal domain.

~S~

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 11:25 AM

But the good thing is that now, units of the Alaskan National Guard are not 'likely' to be called up for a tour of duty there!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: redsnapper
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:29 PM

I don't think Pluto cares and will remain in orbit round the sun whatever its "classification". So nothing really changes.

RS

We shall have to evolve problem-solvers galore
Since each problem they solve creates ten problems more
Piet Hein

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:31 PM

Oh, Man, this is as bad as when the Roman Catholic Church busted Saint Christopher back to PFC! & nuked Limbo.

(whatever DID become of all those pagan babies, anyway?)

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:36 PM

OBIT: Former Member of the 'Wanderers' Pluto Planet - 1930-2006
Survived by the classic members of the group.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 01:00 PM

I've sung this song, but I'll sing it again,
Of the astronomers I've met and the planets I've seen.
Of some of the questions that troubled bothered their mind
And now good old Pluto has been left behind, saying:

So long, it's been good to know yuh;
So long, it's been good to know yuh;
So long, it's been good to know yuh.
What a long time since Pluto was found,
And now it'll be driftin' along.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 03:11 PM

Must astrology now be re-calibrated?

(ducking and running......)

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Popeye the Sailor Man
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 03:14 PM

Of course Bluto's gone down! Bluto goes down every time I eats my spinach, 'cause I'm Popeye the Sailor Man.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 03:14 PM

Why recalibrate what was bunk to begin with?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Slag
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 04:16 PM

There goes Percival Lowell's ego trip PL = Pluto. Reminds me of Rudy valle's effort to get a street in, I think it was Simi Valley, named "Rue de Valley". City fathers said it was a no-go so Rudy up and died. They never rued their decision.

Well, I am sure the astronomers are correct on technical grounds for the reasons they have stated. I have enough astronomy under my cap to differ to their erudite opinion. HOWEVER (as always), HOWEVER let's look at the literary point of view. Cross reference the Lee Marvin music thread, "Born Under a Wand'rin' Star". The word "planet" means a wanderer or a wandering star. Before the advent of the telescope only seven objects were known to move against the background of the "fixed" stars: The Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. I don't think I need to rehash the RCC and Galileo thing. Subsequent discoveries included Uranus, Neptune and in 1930 Pluto (discovered by Mr. Tombaugh, I believe). All these object met (meet) the most ancient qualifications. They move or wander against the seemingly fixed background of stars. All but the Sun are not stars though they appeared to the early observers as stars. It could be argued that they are composed of stardust but the term "wanderer" satisfies me! They all orbit our Sun. Moons and moonlets (satellites) also orbit the Sun but their primary orbit is about a planet, hence our moon, the Moon orbits Earth first and foremost. Deimos and Phobos, Mar's moonlets (most certainly gravitationally captured astroids) orbit Mars. Jupiter has four relatively giant satellites, Callisto, Europa, Ganymeade and Io and the outer planets have their entourages. Little Pluto has a satellite too, almost 2/3 it's own size, Charon (the "Boatman" who ferries the dead across the River Styx to the Underworld). What's Pluto's great sin that he gets kicked out of the Heavenly Club?? Weeel, they think he is mostly ice. So? Has Hell freezed over? Didn't Robert Frost cover this subject? What in Hades has that got to do with anything? His orbit about the Sun is a little lopsided? Hey, they are all lopsided to some degree, including the good ol' Earth. And we have a fair amount of the icy stuff here too ( mostly melted, but so what?).

So, the way I see it is that these nit-picking nitwits can relagate Pluto and the erstwhile Xena to the Astronomical OORT pile if they want but I will still regard Pluto and the Boatman as a Wanderer and it's moon and the Warrior Princess I welcome as the newest member of the club. Come on sky guys. I sure wouldn't want the Boatman mad at me!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 04:46 PM

As the news reports of this decision, traveling at the speed of light, reach Pluto and the word gets around, the Grand Council of Plutocrats is going to be mightily tweaked about being demoted. Considering what they have available in the way of weaponry out that-a-way, expect a terrifying rain of comets in the very near future. Bad times ahead!

You heard it here first!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peter T.
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 05:14 PM

The Iceman cometh!

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 07:36 PM

Aliens may seem kinda cool, but considering that the temperature of Pluto is below the freezing point of nitrogen, the inhabitants of Pluto are like plutocrats everywhere. They're a cold bunch!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Bert
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 08:58 PM

It has been reclassified as a dwarf planet.

So, what they are saying then, is, it's NOT a planet - it's a LITTLE planet.

Aren't these guys supposed to be SMART?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 09:12 PM

Maxwell?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Slag
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:55 AM

86 that, Peace.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 01:05 AM

Geeze Bert, I'll bet you're glad they aren't classifying wangs aren't you? Just remeber as you so often sing...."Size doesn't matter."

Spaw

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 02:39 AM

The International Astronomical Union's general assembly eh? Little wonder the religious loonies have so much clout when the scientists scive off swilling red wine and scoffing chocolate cake while deciding whether or not a rock is a rock. Don't these guys have any work to do?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 03:23 AM

What are the implications for the plutocracy? For plutonium? For Little Rock?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: kendall
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:09 AM

It doesn't matter. And, it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:27 AM

ya know, there is actually a group of scientists who organized about 20 years ago and called themselves The Pluto Underground. They were dedicated to keeping Pluto a Planet and/or making sure Pluto got its props. To a degree they succeeded in that one of them is head of the new Horizens NASA mission to Pluto which blastaed off earlier this year taking about half a million names of supporters on a disk, mine included.

For more on New Horizens go here:
New Hortzens mission to Pluto

I'll try and find out if The Pluto Underground is planning any civil disobedience or protests about the latest insult to their "planet" Pluto.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:55 AM

A dwarf planet? Must we now have a new branch of astronomy viz. astrognomey?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: clueless don
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:19 AM

It was only just this year that I learned the mnemonic "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" (learned it from my daughter - prior to that, I had managed to live over 56 years without ever encountering it.) I gather that there are any number of variants of this.

Now I'm trying to think of a food that begins with "n", to update the saying, and I'm drawing a blank!

I'm hoping to avoid "My Very Economical Manager Just Served Us Nothing".

Don

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:25 AM

Noodles?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:26 AM

Nuts?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:32 AM

Nescafe?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:48 AM

Nougat?

Nasturtiums?

Nanny Goats?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:03 AM

And now please a what-if mnemonic for the alternative idea:

Mercury Venus Earth Mars Ceres Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune Pluto Charon Xena

A German version (not from me):

Mangels Vernunft endlich mehr Chaos, jubeln Sternforscher: Unser neues Planeten-Chinesisch, X-beliebig!

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Firecat
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:19 PM

Just goes to show, these astronomers can get away with anything! I'm stuck on a new mnemonic, being used to "My Very Energetic Monkey Jumped Straight Up Napoleon's Pyjamas"!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:22 PM

Merry virgins eating mangoes- juice squirted up nose?

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 01:10 PM

Bu Pluto may not be finished yet. At least, its backers are mounting a rearguard action:

Pluto vote "hijacked"

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 02:25 PM

Interesting article, Peter.

It strikes me that the members of the International Astronomical Union need something constructive to occupy their time with so they don't just bumble around bumping into things and clumsily knocking them over. As far as the possibility of trans-Neptunian planets is concerned, I tend to think that there may be bodies even further out than Pluto that could qualify as planets, but simply haven't been discovered yet. As the article points out, there are a lot of things wrong with their so-called "definition" of "planet."

I had always thought that if a body was of sufficient size and mass that gravity shaped it into a globe, and if it followed its own orbit around the sun rather than orbiting another more massive body (such as the moon orbiting the earth), it's a planet.

There are some astronomers that actually feel that the Earth-Moon system should be classified as a double planet. I would think that if the barycenter is beneath the surface of the more massive body, then it's a planet and satellite, but if it lies outside the surface, it would be a double planet. The barycenter of the the Earth-Moon system actually lies within the earth, but close to the surface, so the double planet idea might be questionable. But with the Pluto-Charon system, the barycenter lies between the two, above the surface of Pluto, so it would qualify as a double planet.

Maybe instead of losing a planet, we've gained one!

This Wikipedia article (Center of mass) contains animations (scroll down) of various systems showing barycenter relationships

Interestingly enough, the barycenter between the Sun and Jupiter is above the surface of the Sun. Jupiter actually emits more energy than it absorbs, and there is some speculation that had Jupiter been just a bit more massive, nuclear fires would have ignited in its core (there may actually be!) and we'd be in a binary star system.

Alpha Centauri is such a system, with Alpha Centauri A a main-sequence star like the sun but just a smidge larger, Alpha Centauri B about 30% the size of Alpha A and about as far out as Uranus is from our sun. According to some astronomers, there should be a "temperate zone" about 100,000 miles out from Alpha A where a very earth-like planet (inhabitable very comfortably by human beans) could exist. During the times when the planet is between Alpha A and Alpha B, it would be bright enough to read a newspaper at night. Seasons might be a bit interesting, but nothing humans would find particularly uncomfortable. Proxima Centauri is a red dwarf and far enough out from the barycenter that, other than seeing it as a bright red star, it wouldn't have much effect on the theoretical planet.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 04:02 PM

To quote (more accurately paraphrase, I suppose) from a Stephen King story (I think): "Mickey is a mouse, Donald is a duck and Pluto is a dog ... so what the hell is Goofy?"

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Slag
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM

Answer to Shimrod: All of the above.

Don, Yes many consider Jupiter the lower limit for "Brown Dwarfs" but with the discovery of so many "Jupiter-like" exo-planets "Jupiter-like" has become its own classification. They are discribed as non-fusion energy emiters.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:32 PM

I love this stuff!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Slag
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:52 PM

Absolutely!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 06:52 PM

The solar system has been downsized, a sign of the times I guess.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down the Black Hole(Uranus?)
From: Severn
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 06:54 PM

The EPA's Plutian Controls have failed! This is the alien invasion Rachael Carson warned us about! When they find out their planet's been de-classified, those darn Plutians are going to be PISSED! There'll be even more Plutians than ever sabotaging our air and water. They'll be kicking ass and taking names in ways that the Arabs never dreamed of, and be making us sing and clog dance to their contama-National Anthem. So much for an attempted purifying of the solar system. These scientists of ours certainly didn't come from Planet Ahead!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 07:24 PM

...those darn Plutians are going to be PISSED!

Yeah, well, once the global science corporation discovers that you haven't got a saleable product, you can get as pissed as you like, but you're still as good as ratshit.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:35 PM

Slag: If someone had told Plato that the earth was a planet & the sun was a star, he probably would have said "Yeah, and I'm Pluto". Likewise, muons were called mesons at first, but got demoted to leptons when pions etc. had been discovered and the situation became clearer. And when I was in school, there were only two kingdoms of life, and we learned (I forget on what grounds) that amoebae (amebe?) & sponges were animals and bacteria were plants. If you look up the definition of carbohydrate in some dictionaries, you will deduce that formaldehyde is a carbohydrate, but that's probably because whoever wrote the difinition didn't think of that.

Whatever formal definition people come up with, its treatment of Pluto is bound to be arbitrary-looking, because Pluto is an exceedingly anomalous object, really in a class by itself. Its orbit in particular is weird. It spends a good deal of its time closer to the sun than Neptune is. That made me wonder how close to Neptune it could get. Nowhere near, it turns out. Its orbital period is locked in a precise 3:2 resonance with Neptune's, so that whenever it gets close to Neptune's orbit, Neptune itself is on the far side of the sun. Pluto actually gets closer to Uranus than it ever gets to Neptune. That somewhat relieved me, because it had occurred to me that if it every got very close to Neptune, it might get whipped around into some horrible orbit that would make a mess of the inner planets. That opportunity, it seems, has been left to the human species.

--- Joe Fineman    [e-mail]

||: Sovereignty is the polite old-fashioned name for totalitarianism. :||

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:30 PM

'so what the hell is Goofy?"'

An aardvark.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:33 PM

'In the newspaper comic strips, this new character was first given the name Dippy Dawg. A 1938 book indicated the first change to Dippy's name, "The Story of Dippy the Goof," and by 1939 the final change was made to Goofy with the release of the cartoon "Goofy and Wilbur."'

from
here.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:38 PM

from today's letters to the editor, sydney morning herald..

We would like to issue a warning to the people of the planet Earth. Plutonians everywhere, appalled by your representatives' decision to do the unthinkable, are pressuring our organisation to launch some form of pre-emptive strike. Since we long ago realised that waging war was stupid and futile, we have no military or armaments.

All that is available to us is to alter our orbit to an even more eccentric path and gravitational force pertubation upon Earth will do the rest.

Hold on to your hats, you're all being taken for a ride.

John Feller Plutonian People's Homeland Security, Rose Bay

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:46 PM

SSo what about Sedna? Remember her? She was the "new planet" or "Planetoid" before Xena.



90377 Sedna - a trans-Neptunian object

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Slag
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 01:43 AM

Guest Joe F. It's those Mesons shaking their secret handshake in another dimension that has upsot the wheelcart. Leaping lepton! SU sub 3 and the broken symmetry! I hear the monopole quarking out in the primordial photon gooeyonus soup. How did you know I was an afficianado of nuclear physics? Did I mention that in my intro statement?

Formaldehyde is a sugar, of sorts and in hypertonic solution is a wonderful perservative, although it appears to be carcinogenic.

There are 5 kingdoms of Life if I remember correctly: Plant, Animal, Rickettsia, PPLO's (Pluero-Pneumonic Like Organisms) and Viruses. I'm sure corrections will be forthcoming if that is not right but I'm shooting from the hip.

Rabbits used to be considered "Rodentia" but now they have their own classification "Lagomorphs". The more we learn the more re-labeling we have to do. This Homo Sapien-Sapien must press on to the next thread!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peter T.
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 07:18 AM

I can remember when Barry Manilow was categorized as a singer (briefly).

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 09:33 AM

Dear Peace,

Thanks for the info. - this question has been puzzling me for years (but perhaps I should get a life!). Just goes to show, though, that it's difficult (impossible?) to come up with a flawless classification system, whether it's for extraterrestrial objects or for cartoon characters.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Slag
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:57 PM

Peter T.: re Manilow; I was never consulted and had I been he would have NEVER had such a classification.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM

Sedna was invaded and blown up by George W Shrub following his discovery of a copy of The Prisoner of Sedna. It was part of his war against Terra.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:49 PM

Ah, Pluto, we hardly knew ye.
Exiled from the solar system,
Consigned to the underworld of nonexistence;
Along with Saint Barbara, Saint Christopher,
The tooth fairy and Santa Claus.

Fare thee well, childhood's fond friend.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 03:08 PM

Has it struck y'all that now the Solar System has eight planets and Snow White has eight dwarfs? Coincidence? I think not!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 06:30 PM

When did Snow White get an eighthth dwarff then???
I only recall Dumpy, Lumpy, Sloppy, Moppy, Larry, Curly and Moe!
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 06:31 PM

And now Pluto. He's gotta go somewhere.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 06:39 PM

point taken.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 07:04 PM

Agreed

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Mrrzy
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 02:26 PM

There was a good mnemonic onWiat Wait Don't Tell Me involving virgins and a jacuzzi... wish I could remember it!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Silly
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 12:09 PM

Are we talking about Pluto who was in Popeye as in 'Popeye the sailot man' and Olive, but not as in Olive Oil, etc, etc, or am I in the wrong thread!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: MMario
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 12:14 PM

that was "Bluto" in Popeye - Pluto was the yellow dog in the mouse cartoons.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:04 PM

"Are we talking about Pluto who was in Popeye as in 'Popeye the sailot man' and Olive, but not as in Olive Oil, etc, etc, or am I in the wrong thread!"

You poor misguided soul. I shall clarify for you. The answer to your question is "Yes!".

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:57 PM

What Guest Silly said: Naughty naughty.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:35 PM

That's Olive Oyl. Her mother was (Ba)Nana Oyl, her father was Cole Oyl, and she had a brother named Castor.

The voice-over actress who did Olive Oyl in animated cartoons also did the voice of Betty Boop.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 04:22 PM

Ha!!

But wouldn't Nana have been Olive's grandmother?

And what about Cod Liver- maybe that was Olive's brother's name {or nickname}brother.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: JennyO
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 11:26 AM

More likely her brother's name was Motor

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: MMario
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 11:37 AM

I always thought Olive's brother was Crude.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 01:56 PM

I didn't make that up.

Here.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 02:49 PM

Ahem. That was Olive OYL.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: GUEST,Guest Silly
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 07:22 PM

There again it could have been the twins...WD40 oil, that cures everything....well almost,had Popeye and Olive got it together, but that would have made it a after childrens programmes showing time.

Thank you Peace for so kindly putting me right, or could it have been left!!!

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: *Laura*
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 08:07 PM

"Any decision to demote Pluto is likely to be unpopular in some quarters."

---- Why?

I wonder if the horoscopes will be affected.....

xLx

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 08:18 PM

"I wonder if the horoscopes will be affected....."

Most definitely, the Upanishads or is that the ephemerals...er whatever will all have to be rewritten and everyone's horescope will have to be recast because Pluto is no longer in the house of the rising sun.

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 09:30 PM

Here's a comment from an astrology blog about Pluto's demotion:

"Pluto, the planet of death and rebirth, seems to be evolving its outer identity. On August 24th, the International Astronomical Union which convened in Prague, Czechoslovakia, voted to change the number of planets to eight and to demote Pluto's status to that of a dwarf planet. (Ceres, previously considered an asteroid, has now been elevated to this status, along with 2003 UB313, who's name still under question.)

Evolutionary Astrology uses Pluto as the base line for interpreting the soul's desires, both at the collective and at the individual level. Donning a new cloak (- perhaps it's a veil) the planet of evolution and intrigue seems to have caught our attention yet again. Added controversy may be stirred up at this moment, but note that Pluto's natural orientation/throne holds court in the mystery realms rather than in the "light of day" (consciousness).

Soul and soul desires are in a continuous state of evolution, so it's not so out of line for Pluto to evolve it's public image, especially now while it squares the lunar nodal axis. (The lunar nodes open the energetic gateways between our past lives and our intended future direction.) Perhaps this new orientation of Pluto is symbolic of a growing "subterranean" impulse and the shifting of value associations. What's really going on underneath the cloak?"

Astrolink: Pluto's demotion

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And here's another astrologer's response to the question "What is the impact upon astrology of an astronomy organization's demotion of Pluto from full planetary status:

"Pluto has been in use for a long time, so his importance to astrologers is well established. It's doubtful at this point that a change in astronomical status is going to affect that. Kind of like if a tomato were reclassified as a fruit. It wouldn't really change the way you make salads."

http://www.north-node.com/blog/plutos-demotion

Subject: RE: B.S.: Pluto goes down
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 10:18 PM

"Thank you Peace for so kindly putting me right, or could it have been left!!!"

You are more than welcome. I like to be of help to people.

"And soon the situation there was all but straightened out, for he was always known to lend a helping hand." (My motto, written by Dylan.)